Current Events > Kansas man falls victim to swatting prank, is killed by police

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MuayThai85 posted...

The guy who called in the false report needs to be punished severely. His actions directly caused the death of a person, dude needs to be locked up for a long fucking time.

The cop needs to have something happen to him as well. If it is shown that he was unarmed and the cop was just trigger happy then he needs to be charged as well.

I normally defend cops but based on the information in the article this guy obviously really fucked up.

The dude who gave out his neighbor's address needs to be severely punished too.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

I mean what's next ambulancing, no one gets shot but the price of health care skyrockets!

I... uh... how the hell would that work?

"OMG heart attack!!"
"Uh... what?"

thanosibe posted...

Kineth posted...

ClunkerSlim posted...

Tryhaptaward posted...

Officers screamed at Finch to put his hands in the air, but Livingston said the 28-year-old moved a hand toward his waistband. An officer, fearing Finch was reaching for a gun, fired a single shot. Finch died minutes later.

Do you guys even read the fucking article?

What are the cops going to say? "He looked confused for a second so I shot him."

"I feared for my life!"

We bitch and moan about "every American has an arsenal; they're all gun lovers" and then when a policeman thinks someone might be reaching for a gun and shoots, we crusify him/her. I have customers at my job with open conceal that have guns on their hips like the wild fucking west when they pick their orders. I don't really know these people and they're walking in with guns. You can not bitch about too many guns in America and then cut someone down for reacting in fear. Cop or civilian. There's a person in this story that lied and called a swat team over to an innocent person's house saying they were mentally ill and were armed with hostages, over a fucking video game and CE is shit posting about the policeman.

So in case it wasn't clear. The person asked a question and I answered it directly. Those would be the words that are said and acceptable. Whatever political tone you think I was taking with it is all in your head. Take a stand on an issue instead of being "above the fray" and smarter than everyone else. What is the fucking issue in your political narrative? The amount of guns in the public or police misconduct?
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Sexypwnstar posted...

JebronLames posted...

Unsugarized_Foo posted...

JebronLames posted...

Of course the person who called it in, if found will face a much harsher penalty than the shooting cop. Imo the justice system is very heavily biased in favor of the shooting cops

After Daniel Shaver's execution I don't know if its possible to get a judgement on a cop

Did you forget the judgment against that cop in nyc who fired blindly into a dark stairwell cause he was startled by a loud noise? But not surprisingly imo that cop was asian

the fuck kind of low key racism is this?

how is this low key racism? what a stupid question. if race had something to do with it then it did, duh
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But what do you mean by that though? How is it unsurprising?
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So you don't believe that the cops race had anything to do with him being convicted? Even in ny they said convictions were unusual
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DezDroppedFreak posted...

But what do you mean by that though? How is it unsurprising?

I think the implication is that if it was a white cop, the police department would have put more effort into protecting him.

tbf that guy and his partner were assholes - they weren't supposed to be doing stairway patrols like that in that neighborhood in the first place, and after they shot the guy there was a significant delay in contacting EMTs because the guy was literally texting or calling his union rep for help.
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I just didn't know what you meant
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Hexenherz posted...

DezDroppedFreak posted...

But what do you mean by that though? How is it unsurprising?

I think the implication is that if it was a white cop, the police department would have put more effort into protecting him.

tbf that guy and his partner were assholes - they weren't supposed to be doing stairway patrols like that in that neighborhood in the first place, and after they shot the guy there was a significant delay in contacting EMTs because the guy was literally texting or calling his union rep for help.

so you do remember this story tc? what do you think? that his race played no role in him being convicted? Idk when this story came out a lot of people did think his race played a role. So you tell me, cops are convicted often for this same scenario?
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DezDroppedFreak posted...

I just didn't know what you meant

well now you know, and tbh it wasn't that hard a thing to figure out imo
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Cops respond to a murder hostage situation....

"Suspect" goes to door....

Ignores the command of the cop to keep his hands where he can see them and reaches for his waist...

Cop shoots ONCE and kid dies...

Yeah cop shouldn't be charged with ANYTHING
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Offworlder1 posted...

The asswipe who called in this prank needs to serve hard fucking time for getting a man killed.

Barriss was previously arrested in 2015, when police say he falsely claimed to have planted bombs in the offices of ABC's Los Angeles affiliate, KABC-TV.

Barriss, then 22, faced three felony charges for the hoax.

Yeah, I'm going to take a not-so-wild guess and say there is a dangerous pattern here.
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KingCrabCake posted...

Cops respond to a murder hostage situation....

"Suspect" goes to door....

Ignores the command of the cop to keep his hands where he can see them and reaches for his waist...

Cop shoots ONCE and kid dies...

Yeah cop shouldn't be charged with ANYTHING

If that's how it went down, I agree.

JebronLames posted...

Hexenherz posted...

DezDroppedFreak posted...

But what do you mean by that though? How is it unsurprising?

I think the implication is that if it was a white cop, the police department would have put more effort into protecting him.

tbf that guy and his partner were assholes - they weren't supposed to be doing stairway patrols like that in that neighborhood in the first place, and after they shot the guy there was a significant delay in contacting EMTs because the guy was literally texting or calling his union rep for help.

so you do remember this story tc? what do you think? that his race played no role in him being convicted? Idk when this story came out a lot of people did think his race played a role. So you tell me, cops are convicted often for this same scenario?

I am far from a law / police expert on these matters.

I do know that not all police forces are the same. And even within one police force, not all precincts are the same.
I don't remember all the details of the case (ie, how long the cop had been on the force or anything like that).

And this might sound wrong, but I don't care if the cop's race played a factor or not, the important thing is that he was convicted which sets the foundation for future such charges when similar crap happens.

edit: I also hate when people jump to conclusions whenever there's a police shooting. I think that's the epitome of ignorance, especially when you demonstrate absolutely zero capacity to critically think with regards to the situational conditions at the time of the shooting.

I am not saying that all police shootings are justified and that police shouldn't be convicted. I am saying that before we start rioting and shit we should figure out the facts to the fullest extent possible.
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you don't care if the cop's race played a factor or not and it doesn't really matter to you if maybe he wouldn't have been convicted if he were white? okay whatever. who said an injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere?
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JebronLames posted...

you don't care if the cop's race played a factor or not and it doesn't really matter to you if maybe he wouldn't have been convicted if he were white? okay whatever. who said an injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere?

The cop would have been convicted even if "white". The case was clear-cut. Not so with Terence Crutcher or Daniel Shavers.

That's your opinion and yours only that he would have been convicted if white. The cop in that guy that was crawling in that hotel floor wasn't convicted, his case wasn't stronger than this one?
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Was that case in New York, though?
I don't know the details of that case either.
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Kineth posted...

thanosibe posted...

Kineth posted...

ClunkerSlim posted...

Tryhaptaward posted...

Officers screamed at Finch to put his hands in the air, but Livingston said the 28-year-old moved a hand toward his waistband. An officer, fearing Finch was reaching for a gun, fired a single shot. Finch died minutes later.

Do you guys even read the fucking article?

What are the cops going to say? "He looked confused for a second so I shot him."

"I feared for my life!"

We bitch and moan about "every American has an arsenal; they're all gun lovers" and then when a policeman thinks someone might be reaching for a gun and shoots, we crusify him/her. I have customers at my job with open conceal that have guns on their hips like the wild fucking west when they pick their orders. I don't really know these people and they're walking in with guns. You can not bitch about too many guns in America and then cut someone down for reacting in fear. Cop or civilian. There's a person in this story that lied and called a swat team over to an innocent person's house saying they were mentally ill and were armed with hostages, over a fucking video game and CE is shit posting about the policeman.

So in case it wasn't clear. The person asked a question and I answered it directly. Those would be the words that are said and acceptable. Whatever political tone you think I was taking with it is all in your head. Take a stand on an issue instead of being "above the fray" and smarter than everyone else. What is the fucking issue in your political narrative? The amount of guns in the public or police misconduct?

Did I even say you were toting a political tone. I quoted the whole conversation because I can't quote all the conversations wanting to crusify the officer and this was also the most recent one in the thread. I'm sure he did fear for his life with the lies that fuck stain said when calling in the police on this man. And I understand that these officers are trained but they're still human.

And I've pretty much taken a stand and posted it earlier. If the little shit hadn't called the police over a video game the officer would not have been in the situation he was to have his actions called into question. But that little shit in jail for being directly responsible for the death of an innocent man and let the policeman's actions be handled internally or by IA so they can see if the policeman is unfit for future duty.

Edit: So in other words, this situation does indeed piss my off and showcases the bottom rung of humanity, yet I didn't intend for it to sound like I was angry at you or your specific comment.
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What was the man grabbing in the video?
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JebronLames posted...

That's your opinion and yours only that he would have been convicted if white. The cop in that guy that was crawling in that hotel floor wasn't convicted, his case wasn't stronger than this one?

No. Daniel Shavers tried to pull up his pants, and unfortunately, from the cop's vantage point, his movement could be reasonably interpreted as someone reaching for a gun. It was a tragic situation.

In the NYC case, the victim was not a suspect and was merely walking. The Asian-American cop got spooked in the dark and fired a shot. Nothing the victim did could be reasonably be interpreted as threatening.

in the Shavers case, the cop was being very weird and gave bizarre and poor commands. he could have just held the guy at gunpoint and his partner handcuff him. instead he makes him crawl

If it was a violent hostage situation, why would some guy just open the front door?

And i thought cops had caller id. Why did an LA number reporting a Kansas address not seem suspicious?
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Zikten posted...

in the Shavers case, the cop was being very weird and gave bizarre and poor commands. he could have just held the guy at gunpoint and his partner handcuff him. instead he makes him crawl

had to get him closer to their location. If you watch the video, there are 2 weirdly placed doors around that corner Shavers and the woman came out of; they had no idea if anyone else was still in the room and couldn't see around said corner.
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Zikten posted...

in the Shavers case, the cop was being very weird and gave bizarre and poor commands. he could have just held the guy at gunpoint and his partner handcuff him. instead he makes him crawl

i agree but the dude above your comment thinks it was justified and agrees with the nyc verdict too, jfc
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The problem here is that we're comparing apples to oranges, which is very, very unfortunate. What I mean is that they're both police departments, but they're entirely different police departments in entirely different states and that means that the cases were prosecuted differently.

That being said, I seriously do not understand how the fudge that cop got off, it was obvious he was harassing Mr. Shavers and dragged it out way too long (not to mention the engraving on his gun). That is a seriously gross injustice right there, 100% indefensible.
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lilORANG posted...

If it was a violent hostage situation, why would some guy just open the front door?

And i thought cops had caller id. Why did an LA number reporting a Kansas address not seem suspicious?

There are ways to spoof caller ID.

Or the dispatcher was incompetent
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lilORANG posted...

And i thought cops had caller id.

VOIP basically makes it so that you can easily spoof ANY number you want (even totally bullshit numbers like 0000000000) and it takes digging through ISP records to find out who made the call, and if they're using an encrypted VPN in Russia or some shit then good luck.

This is what those telephone scammers (Rachel from cardholder services, etc) do because they're run by people with half a brain. This kid was just a moron who did what he thought was funny.
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911 call and footage released:

http://www.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article192244734.html **Footage is NWS obviously**
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Ammonitida posted...

from the cop's vantage point, his movement could be reasonably interpreted as someone reaching for a gun.

Bullshit
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I mean even if it could be interpreted as such, the guy was already out on the porch and they had so much light on him he couldn't have aimed at anything :\

I guess there's the concern he could have... pulled out a gun and ran back into the house? idk.
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I heard the caller has been arrested. Has it been determined how fucked he is now?

TheGrindery posted...

I heard the caller has been arrested. Has it been determined how fucked he is now?

On a scale of 1 to fucked, he is.
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I'll be following this one. His sentence better be long as fuck.

TheGrindery posted...

I'll be following this one. His sentence better be long as fuck.

I also want to get as many updates as possible, but I've never been able to effectively track cases like this. Do you have any good resources?
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pinky0926 posted...

Reis posted...

The gamer who supposedly committed the prank later tweeted: "I DIDNT GET ANYONE KILLED BECAUSE I DIDNT DISCHARGE A WEAPON AND BEING A SWAT MEMBER ISNT MY PROFESSION."

Imagine this total lack of accountability

Also a total dumbass for straight up admitting his involvement

Isn't swatting illegal? So him admitting this much, pretty much set himself up for prison time.
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Hexenherz posted...

TheGrindery posted...

I'll be following this one. His sentence better be long as fuck.

I also want to get as many updates as possible, but I've never been able to effectively track cases like this. Do you have any good resources?

Any search engine will do fine for this one. This is big.

wolverinev2 posted...

pinky0926 posted...

Reis posted...

The gamer who supposedly committed the prank later tweeted: "I DIDNT GET ANYONE KILLED BECAUSE I DIDNT DISCHARGE A WEAPON AND BEING A SWAT MEMBER ISNT MY PROFESSION."

Imagine this total lack of accountability

Also a total dumbass for straight up admitting his involvement

Isn't swatting illegal? So him admitting this much, pretty much set himself up for prison time.

Assuming his VPN keeps or has some type of logs that can be subpoenaed , yes. If not, probably. Depends on if they find him and how.
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itachi15243 posted...

wolverinev2 posted...

pinky0926 posted...

Reis posted...

The gamer who supposedly committed the prank later tweeted: "I DIDNT GET ANYONE KILLED BECAUSE I DIDNT DISCHARGE A WEAPON AND BEING A SWAT MEMBER ISNT MY PROFESSION."

Imagine this total lack of accountability

Also a total dumbass for straight up admitting his involvement

Isn't swatting illegal? So him admitting this much, pretty much set himself up for prison time.

Assuming his VPN keeps or has some type of logs that can be subpoenaed , yes. If not, probably. Depends on if they find him and how.

I'm usually against groups like Anon releasing information. But, I'm going to say with this current situation. It's called for. The Dudes actions got somebody killed. Plus his entire attitude toward it just seems way too dismissive.
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That dude better get a lot of time. Swatters need to learn from this. It's never been funny to put people's lives at risk. Calling it a prank is not a defense either. Prison time for anyone involved in these hoaxes. The swat team gets all amped up because they have to be. It's a tragedy that an innocent person died. I hope this helps prevent future instances of swatting.
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so how many of you think the cop should be charged with something for shooting him?
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JebronLames posted...

so how many of you think the cop should be charged with something for shooting him?

Based on the info given, I think it sounds like the officers all gave the victim ample opportunities to comply. As of right now it seems the officer should be cleared. I will think differently if new evidence is showed later.
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30 years to life dude is a fucking psycho he has done it before bet he isnt smiling now is he
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CensorErik posted...

JebronLames posted...

so how many of you think the cop should be charged with something for shooting him?

Based on the info given, I think it sounds like the officers all gave the victim ample opportunities to comply. As of right now it seems the officer should be cleared. I will think differently if new evidence is showed later.

It looks like they shot him pretty quickly >_>. Guy was probably confused as hell tbh. Alright but in all fairness ... well, I don't know about you guys but my first reaction to being confronted by anyone claiming to be cops would be to just hold my hands up. and then cry because idk what's going to happen but I wouldn't screw around personally.
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like i said in another topic, the guy only had a few seconds to process what was happening and he was so confused...... whatever movement he made that set the cops off, it was just a twitch and he shouldn't have been shot. he likely died never understanding what happened. he was just living his life in his house and then he opens his door and gets murdered

I hope that cop sees that guys face for the rest of his life and he nevers gets a peaceful nights sleep again but im sure he will sleep just fine probably sociopath
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Also the cop only discharged one shot... If they thought it was a legitimate threat they theoretically would have fired more, unless it was meant to be a warning shot in which case his aim was pretty bad.
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All the cop haters are quiet now
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Cop knob slobbers in full force
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