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slacker03150
12/29/17 9:22:21 PM
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Who wins in a fight?


I have to throw in with cavemen.
I am talking about something primal. Right? Savagery. Brutal animal instinct.
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Lokarin
12/29/17 9:23:10 PM
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Depends on the amount of permitted technology.
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Zeus
12/29/17 9:24:01 PM
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Cavemen. Always cavemen. Astronauts don't even wield space guns.
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wwinterj25
12/29/17 9:26:15 PM
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A club to the head wins this.
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Krazy_Kirby
12/29/17 9:29:46 PM
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some astronauts are former military. military training > caveman
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Kyuubi4269
12/29/17 9:32:16 PM
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Zeus posted...
Cavemen. Always cavemen. Astronauts don't even wield space guns.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TP-82
Russian astronaut gun.
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Mead
12/29/17 9:34:01 PM
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Well astronauts have lasers so
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Questionmarktarius
12/29/17 9:39:58 PM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
Zeus posted...
Cavemen. Always cavemen. Astronauts don't even wield space guns.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TP-82
Russian astronaut gun.

Pretty much any firearm will function in space. Gunpowder contains its own oxidizer.
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slacker03150
12/29/17 9:41:42 PM
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Why are people bringing weapons into this? This isn't about if an ak47 can beat a guy with a club. This is astronaut on caveman action.
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Kyuubi4269
12/29/17 9:42:55 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
Zeus posted...
Cavemen. Always cavemen. Astronauts don't even wield space guns.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TP-82
Russian astronaut gun.

Pretty much any firearm will function in space. Gunpowder contains its own oxidizer.

Btw, guns aren't allowed on the international space station so astronauts don't usually have one, but Russians back in the day had one of these for self-defense in the wilderness after the re-entry capsule landed.
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Kyuubi4269
12/29/17 9:43:35 PM
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slacker03150 posted...
Why are people bringing weapons into this? This isn't about if an ak47 can beat a guy with a club. This is astronaut on caveman action.

As in they're both naked in a ring?
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Questionmarktarius
12/29/17 9:45:14 PM
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slacker03150 posted...
This is astronaut on caveman action.

Earth, moon, or space?
In the latter two, the astronaut automatically wins because the caveman suffocates.
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Lokarin
12/29/17 9:46:48 PM
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The reason this question is hard to resolve is because the conditions of the encounter are poorly defined.

Because with all things being equal, cavemen and astronauts are equal... humans didn't change that much in whatever 20k years or whatever. And if it's a fight of attained knowledge, there's no way to know if the astronaut knows kungfu/judo/taekwando/dildash
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wolfy42
12/29/17 9:48:58 PM
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Depends a ton on the situation to be honest.

Lets so no weapons at all, other then what can be found on the planet (astronauts crash landed and it was an exploration mission anyway).

Cavemen have an obvious strength advantage, but...have not really mastered the art of ranged weapons (possible can throw rocks).

If it's on an open plain, with just grass around, the astronauts are pretty much doomed, the cavemen would be faster, stronger, and no real weapons or tactics can be used in such a situation.

In most other situations, the astronauts could use their brains, and it would depend alot on home much time they have to prepare, and what tools are available for them to use.

Given any time to prepare at all, the astronauts could create a bunch of spears for instance (just wooden ones) and create a formation with some in front holding the spears (to keep the cavemen back) and some behind throwing them. That could be done fairly quickly, given the astronauts time to create a shelter and a defensible position, possibly use fire etc good effect and eventually set up a defense that could not easily be breached.

After that, the astronauts would just need to hunt the cavemen using ranged weapons, poison their water supply (or leave food out that was tainted/poisoned for them to find) etc. Given enough time, brains would win over brawn.

If they are just thrown together with no preperation at all (the cavemen come across them after they have just crash landed), then without any outside tools helping them, the astronauts are going to be clubbed to death.
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Questionmarktarius
12/29/17 9:49:53 PM
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Lokarin posted...
Because with all things being equal, cavemen and astronauts are equal... humans didn't change that much in whatever 20k years or whatever.

Cavemen needed to be pretty fit to not die, and astronauts need to be pretty fit for... pretty much the same reasons.
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slacker03150
12/29/17 10:24:25 PM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
As in they're both naked in a ring?


Neither is outfitted for battle wearing the casual wear for their time and profession, so the cavemen could be naked, but the astronauts would probably be wearing jumpsuits. A cage match would be interesting, but probably too limited for the astronauts to make use of of their intelligence. 5 acres land with a section of trees in the middle, but mostly flat grassland.

The time limit they have to prepare is however long it takes them to find each other.
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Kyuubi4269
12/29/17 10:29:07 PM
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Then the astronaut wins by ambush.
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Arguro
12/30/17 12:03:05 AM
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The astronauts did in It's About Time

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_About_Time_(TV_series)

They even brought a few back to the present and enrolled the children in school.
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Yellow
12/30/17 12:05:51 AM
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Of course the cavemen would beat up those nerds.
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CacciatoPart2
12/30/17 12:07:06 AM
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Krazy_Kirby posted...
some astronauts are former military. military training > caveman

Im pretty sure the ones that are military are active duty. Theres a reason why dress uniforms have a badge to identify astronauts.

Having said that, military training doesnt really mean dick about hand to hand combat, especially most are just flight officers and arent taught it.
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KJ StErOiDs
12/30/17 12:15:46 AM
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A 3-lb rock will decimate a 3-lb brain.
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Questionmarktarius
12/30/17 12:20:14 AM
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CacciatoPart2 posted...
Having said that, military training doesnt really mean dick about hand to hand combat, especially most are just flight officers and arent taught it.

If Ilan Ramon wasn't disintegrated along with Columbia, I'd pick him over a caveman any day.
IDF (or, apparently IAF) doesn't fuck around.
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Lokarin
12/30/17 12:21:31 AM
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KJ StErOiDs posted...
A 3-lb rock will decimate a 3-lb brain.


Yes, and astronauts - can ALSO use rocks
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Questionmarktarius
12/30/17 12:22:57 AM
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Lokarin posted...
KJ StErOiDs posted...
A 3-lb rock will decimate a 3-lb brain.


Yes, and astronauts - can ALSO use rocks

Moon rocks, which are essentially asbestos. Even if the cavemen win, they'll die of mesothelioma twenty or thirty years later.
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CacciatoPart2
12/30/17 12:24:37 AM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
CacciatoPart2 posted...
Having said that, military training doesnt really mean dick about hand to hand combat, especially most are just flight officers and arent taught it.

If Ilan Ramon wasn't disintegrated along with Columbia, I'd pick him over a caveman any day.
IDF (or, apparently IAF) doesn't fuck around.

Yeah but IDF is a little unique in general and I cant speak for their military. But I can tell you that all my pilot buddies in the Navy didnt receive any hand-to-hand training. They're pretty much frat boys with pilot's licenses.
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slacker03150
12/30/17 1:38:47 PM
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gguirao
01/04/18 1:14:51 AM
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Caveman.
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EvilMegas
01/04/18 8:22:08 AM
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Cavemang, obv
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