Poll of the Day > Why is Titanic considered to be one of the greatest romances? (Spoilers?)

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When its just about an old lady talking about the time she let some artist draw her naked and then rawdog her within 2 days of meeting him.

Especially when she was already engaged.
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It seems like any story that doesnt follow the fall in love, fight, get back together and live happily ever after plot gets viewed pretty highly in the romance genre.
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Because Jack changes Rose's whole life with their brief encounter. She was going to be married into high society to a man she couldn't stand for financial security because her mom was guilting her into it.

After Titanic and meeting Jack she totally abandoned that lifestyle and was able to experience real life and all the things Jack talked to her about.
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This topic honestly hurts my butt more than any topic ever made on this board.
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Jen0125 posted...

This topic honestly hurts my butt more than any topic ever made on this board.

lmao
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Because thousands of people died and they still got it on.
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I don't know. It could hardly be called a romance, just a quick, fabricated fling.

As far as tragic romances, I can think of two stories that did it better.

I cried more over the old couple that chose to face their death together then Jack and Rose.
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PK_Spam posted...

When its just about an old lady talking about the time she let some artist draw her naked and then rawdog her within 2 days of meeting him.

Especially when she was already engaged.

So a segment of the movie constitutes the entire movie?
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Stupid Pirate Guy posted...

Because thousands of people died and they still got it on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNyKDI9pn0Q

Had to.
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Oscar bait.

Thankfully, the 2 hours of the ship sinking scene more than makes up for it.

Don't get me wrong it's an excellent movie, but it starts off too slow building up the relationship between Jack and Rose, which could have instead, been for other sorts of character development.

Lil_Bit83 posted...

I cried more over the old couple that chose to face their death together then Jack and Rose.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ida_Straus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isidor_Straus

Let me put this in perspective. Romeo & Juilet is about two people that see each other at a ball and instantly start obsessing over each other despite not knowing a fucking thing about each other. They spend the rest of the play obsessing but doing nothing with each other and the guy ends up killing Juilet's brother yet she still wants his fucking dick. Then, the two hormone-crazed, obsessive teens commit suicide and its considered one of the greatest romantic tragedies of all time.

Point is, the romance genre is full of the most idiotic and shitty illogical tropes and cliches of any genre. Even beating out Horror and its moronic formulas. Titanic's romantic suplot, which it is don't try and fool yourself, follows these tropes and cliches to the fucking letter. Guy meets girl, love at first sight, girl is forcibly engaged, guy and girl get it on, now their in love within less than a week.
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its a romance about a long past tragedy that cost many lives

its pretty much like if someone made a romance about 9/11 in a few years
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Troll_Police_ posted...

its a romance about a long past tragedy that cost many lives

its pretty much like if someone made a romance about 9/11 in a few years

Jet fuel melts her cold heart.

Blighboy posted...

Troll_Police_ posted...

its a romance about a long past tragedy that cost many lives

its pretty much like if someone made a romance about 9/11 in a few years

Jet fuel melts her cold heart.

Nice
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Shinebolt posted...

Let me put this in perspective. Romeo & Juilet is about two people that see each other at a ball and instantly start obsessing over each other despite not knowing a f***ing thing about each other. They spend the rest of the play obsessing but doing nothing with each other and the guy ends up killing Juilet's brother yet she still wants his f***ing dick. Then, the two hormone-crazed, obsessive teens commit suicide and its considered one of the greatest romantic tragedies of all time.

I'd argue that the only people that consider Romeo and Juliet to be one of the greatest romance stories ever don't actually know anything about the story beyond the fact that it's a well-known classic and romance happens. It's not even really a romance story, given that the actual focus is on the tragic consequences of clinging too closely to tribal pride. Romance is just a tool for creating those tragic circumstances.
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adjl posted...

Shinebolt posted...

Let me put this in perspective. Romeo & Juilet is about two people that see each other at a ball and instantly start obsessing over each other despite not knowing a f***ing thing about each other. They spend the rest of the play obsessing but doing nothing with each other and the guy ends up killing Juilet's brother yet she still wants his f***ing dick. Then, the two hormone-crazed, obsessive teens commit suicide and its considered one of the greatest romantic tragedies of all time.

I'd argue that the only people that consider Romeo and Juliet to be one of the greatest romance stories ever don't actually know anything about the story beyond the fact that it's a well-known classic and romance happens. It's not even really a romance story, given that the actual focus is on the tragic consequences of clinging too closely to tribal pride. Romance is just a tool for creating those tragic circumstances.

Which is most people because most people don't understand Shakespeare. Hell, they see Shakespearean plays as being written in an "elevated" language which their not. He wrote in what was the common tongue for his time period.
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Jen0125 posted...

This topic honestly hurts my butt more than any topic ever made on this board.

Here at Assholes Unlimited, we pride ourselves in creating only the finest Butthurtingest content.
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Jen0125 posted...

This topic honestly hurts my butt more than any topic ever made on this board.

you're a huge titanic fan? I'm fairly certain that titanic is more popular among women than men. But i'm the exception i really liked that movie. Fyi kojima really liked titanic too, as anyone who's played mgs2 would know and he's the best vid game man in the biz
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Besides the fact that it's the highest grossing romance ever made, I'm pretty sure no one has ever claimed it to be some genre defining classic, let alone even a "great" movie.
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Shinebolt posted...

adjl posted...

Shinebolt posted...

Let me put this in perspective. Romeo & Juilet is about two people that see each other at a ball and instantly start obsessing over each other despite not knowing a f***ing thing about each other. They spend the rest of the play obsessing but doing nothing with each other and the guy ends up killing Juilet's brother yet she still wants his f***ing dick. Then, the two hormone-crazed, obsessive teens commit suicide and its considered one of the greatest romantic tragedies of all time.

I'd argue that the only people that consider Romeo and Juliet to be one of the greatest romance stories ever don't actually know anything about the story beyond the fact that it's a well-known classic and romance happens. It's not even really a romance story, given that the actual focus is on the tragic consequences of clinging too closely to tribal pride. Romance is just a tool for creating those tragic circumstances.

Which is most people because most people don't understand Shakespeare. Hell, they see Shakespearean plays as being written in an "elevated" language which their not. He wrote in what was the common tongue for his time period.

It is indeed most people, which is kind of sad.
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The setting, the tragic ending, the class struggle trope, the whirlwind romance trope, the cast, the hit song, ...you know, it's so much easier just to call this question stupid.

Shinebolt posted...

Even beating out Horror and its moronic formulas

adjl posted...

Shinebolt posted...

Let me put this in perspective. Romeo & Juilet is about two people that see each other at a ball and instantly start obsessing over each other despite not knowing a f***ing thing about each other. They spend the rest of the play obsessing but doing nothing with each other and the guy ends up killing Juilet's brother yet she still wants his f***ing dick. Then, the two hormone-crazed, obsessive teens commit suicide and its considered one of the greatest romantic tragedies of all time.

I'd argue that the only people that consider Romeo and Juliet to be one of the greatest romance stories ever don't actually know anything about the story beyond the fact that it's a well-known classic and romance happens. It's not even really a romance story, given that the actual focus is on the tragic consequences of clinging too closely to tribal pride. Romance is just a tool for creating those tragic circumstances.

Pretty much everybody knows the story. And if you're only focused on a few themes which appeal to your cognitive biases, you're not just missing the romance but a lot of other stuff as well. And arguing that it's best remembered for the tragedy rather than the romance would apply to *any* tragic romance.

R&J certainly isn't a deep romance, but that doesn't mean it's not a great romance story because it hits most of the right tropes which are *still* widely used today (albeit usually without the tragic ending because viewers don't like ending their movies on a sad note)
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I remember hearing it argued that it was so popular because it was the first epic sweeping blockbuster targeted specifically towards women but I don't know how true that is.

Blighboy posted...

I remember hearing it argued that it was so popular because it was the first epic sweeping blockbuster targeted specifically towards women but I don't know how true that is.

Doubtful that it was marketed towards women to begin with. They all went to see it solely for Leonardo DiCaprio, but then couldn't give a rat's ass about the actual sinking part.

Zeus posted...

Pretty much everybody knows the story. And if you're only focused on a few themes which appeal to your cognitive biases, you're not just missing the romance but a lot of other stuff as well. And arguing that it's best remembered for the tragedy rather than the romance would apply to *any* tragic romance.

R&J certainly isn't a deep romance, but that doesn't mean it's not a great romance story because it hits most of the right tropes which are *still* widely used today (albeit usually without the tragic ending because viewers don't like ending their movies on a sad note)

It's a couple of horny teenagers whose parents disapprove of their relationship. It's nothing deep or special, or even really good. It's very much a tragedy before it's a romance story.

TheWorstPoster posted...

Blighboy posted...

I remember hearing it argued that it was so popular because it was the first epic sweeping blockbuster targeted specifically towards women but I don't know how true that is.

Doubtful that it was marketed towards women to begin with. They all went to see it solely for Leonardo DiCaprio, but then couldn't give a rat's ass about the actual sinking part.

I'm sure you have a comprehensive-enough understanding of the females to make such statements.
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adjl posted...

Zeus posted...

Pretty much everybody knows the story. And if you're only focused on a few themes which appeal to your cognitive biases, you're not just missing the romance but a lot of other stuff as well. And arguing that it's best remembered for the tragedy rather than the romance would apply to *any* tragic romance.

R&J certainly isn't a deep romance, but that doesn't mean it's not a great romance story because it hits most of the right tropes which are *still* widely used today (albeit usually without the tragic ending because viewers don't like ending their movies on a sad note)

It's a couple of horny teenagers whose parents disapprove of their relationship. It's nothing deep or special, or even really good. It's very much a tragedy before it's a romance story.

And you're putting the cart before the horse. The tragedy only has meaning because of the attachment to the characters from the romance which is poignant due to its circumstance. The fact that, to some extent, the depth of it is very low (ie, horny teens) doesn't necessarily diminish that and, to a large regard, a lot of romantic attachment has a fair deal of sexual attraction. If the characters and romance weren't good, the tragic outcome would flop -- since, as far as ironic endings go, it really isn't good -- and the play would have been relegated to the dustbins of history instead of serving as a cultural icon.
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