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UnfairRepresent
01/06/18 1:59:20 PM
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A Catholic charity on Friday protested that Facebook had removed a page for Vienna's first baby of 2018, born of Muslim parents, which had garnered 20,000 messages of support after a rash of racist comments.

The birth of Asel, hailed in the press as "the first Viennese baby" of the year, sparked a wave of racist comments on the internet as the mother was seen wearing an Islamic veil.

In response, the Catholic charity Caritas, which works with migrants and refugees, launched a campaign of support for the infant and her parents, Naime and Alper Tamga.

"It is a completely new dimension of online hate, targeting an innocent newborn," said Klaus Schwertner, head of Caritas in Vienna. "That crosses a red line."

Schwertner said the Facebook page was probably targeted in a concerted campaign to get it taken down and called on Facebook owner Mark Zuckerberg to reinstate access.

"We want to show that love is stronger than hate, on Facebook just as in real life," he said.

The hateful messages come amid tensions in Austrian society over the migrant influx to Europe and Islam.

The country's new conservative Chancellor Sebastian Kurz's coalition includes a far-right party.

One of the hostile messages to the baby's family referred to the new far-right interior minister Herbert Kickl, saying he "is going to send you out of the country. He's the man to do it."


Full Article: https://www.thelocal.at/20180106/racism-row-online-in-austria-over-muslim-new-years-baby

MlHdIq5

How can you be racist against a baby, it's literally a baby, it hasn't done anything...

Some people man...
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iamintents
01/06/18 1:59:55 PM
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trumpeters once again show their true colors
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KillerKhan420
01/06/18 2:01:10 PM
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I don't give a shit about a baby that's not my own, unless they were abandoned though then I would take care of them.

The first baby born in Vienna should of been local, home grown, not from outsiders.
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TheCEmanCometh
01/06/18 2:02:12 PM
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iamintents posted...
trumpeters once again show their true colors


This didn't take place in America though...
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iamintents
01/06/18 2:02:45 PM
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TheCEmanCometh posted...
iamintents posted...
trumpeters once again show their true colors


This didn't take place in America though...

he's infecting the world
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Solar_Crimson
01/06/18 2:03:01 PM
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KillerKhan420 posted...
The first baby born in Vienna should of been local, home grown, not from outsiders.

...Why?
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Villain
01/06/18 2:03:49 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
KillerKhan420 posted...
The first baby born in Vienna should of been local, home grown, not from outsiders.

...Why?

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DeanAuryn
01/06/18 2:09:18 PM
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KillerKhan420 posted...
I don't give a shit about a baby that's not my own, unless they were abandoned though then I would take care of them.

The first baby born in Vienna should of been local, home grown, not from outsiders.


Steady on, old chap.
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EyeWontBeFooled
01/06/18 2:11:25 PM
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KillerKhan420 posted...
I don't give a shit about a baby that's not my own, unless they were abandoned though then I would take care of them.

The first baby born in Vienna should of been local, home grown, not from outsiders.

You will be on the wrong side of history.
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Blue_Inigo
01/06/18 2:11:32 PM
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TheCEmanCometh posted...
iamintents posted...
trumpeters once again show their true colors


This didn't take place in America though...

Trump's Vienna
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Paragon21XX
01/06/18 2:14:11 PM
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iamintents posted...
TheCEmanCometh posted...
iamintents posted...
trumpeters once again show their true colors


This didn't take place in America though...

he's infecting the world

European right-wing nationalism has been on the rise long before Trump entered the 2016 primaries, and this would have still happened even if Trump and his alt-right supporters never existed in America.
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CensorErik
01/06/18 2:22:43 PM
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KillerKhan420 posted...
I don't give a shit about a baby that's not my own, unless they were abandoned though then I would take care of them.

The first baby born in Vienna should of

*have
been local, home grown, not from outsiders.

So all immigrants should wait their turn to give birth until the local, home grown residents are done? Wtf are you even saying? Weird.

Imagine having this much hate inside you. I'm grateful I'm not like you or people with similar views. Awful.
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NadYobWoc
01/06/18 2:29:15 PM
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CensorErik posted...
KillerKhan420 posted...
I don't give a shit about a baby that's not my own, unless they were abandoned though then I would take care of them.

The first baby born in Vienna should of

*have
been local, home grown, not from outsiders.

So all immigrants should wait their turn to give birth until the local, home grown residents are done? Wtf are you even saying? Weird.

Imagine having this much hate inside you. I'm grateful I'm not like you or people with similar views. Awful.

Truth.
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TheVipaGTS
01/06/18 2:30:28 PM
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KillerKhan420 posted...
The first baby born in Vienna should of been local, home grown, not from outsiders.

lol shut the fuck up.
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Lorenzo_2003
01/06/18 2:51:20 PM
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EyeWontBeFooled posted...
KillerKhan420 posted...
I don't give a shit about a baby that's not my own, unless they were abandoned though then I would take care of them.

The first baby born in Vienna should of been local, home grown, not from outsiders.

You will be on the wrong side of history.


Shut up with that wrong side of history nonsense. History doesnt have a moral angle. It will be whatever we make of it.
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Antifar
01/06/18 2:55:30 PM
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The British use of "row" to mean "argument" amuses me.

"Racism row" sounds like a really shitty street.
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Skye Reynolds
01/06/18 2:55:36 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
How can you be racist against a baby, it's literally a baby, it hasn't done anything...


That's pretty much the definition of racism.
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TheCyborgNinja
01/06/18 2:59:20 PM
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I'm mostly surprised that people are shocked by this happening. I mean, take a step back and think about. This outcome is much more likely than people all getting along about something.
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UnfairRepresent
01/06/18 3:00:35 PM
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TheCyborgNinja posted...
I'm mostly surprised that people are shocked by this happening. I mean, take a step back and think about. This outcome is much more likely than people all getting along about something.

wut
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Funbazooka
01/06/18 3:29:50 PM
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Austrians want to preserve their culture and way of life. But to make a big deal out of whichever baby was born first in the new year is silly if you take a step back. It's a knee-jerk inappropriate reaction for sure but it's rooted in valid concerns.

I do wonder what they count as racist comments because the example they chose for the article:

One of the hostile messages to the baby's family referred to the new far-right interior minister Herbert Kickl, saying he "is going to send you out of the country. He's the man to do it."

That is not a racist message.
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TheCyborgNinja
01/06/18 3:33:15 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
TheCyborgNinja posted...
I'm mostly surprised that people are shocked by this happening. I mean, take a step back and think about. This outcome is much more likely than people all getting along about something.

wut

People suck.
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LinksLiege
01/06/18 3:33:35 PM
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KillerKhan420 posted...
I don't give a shit about a baby that's not my own, unless they were abandoned though then I would take care of them.

The first baby born in Vienna should of been local, home grown, not from outsiders.

"I don't care about other babies."
"I care about this other baby."

People need to work on their troll sensors.
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UnfairRepresent
01/06/18 3:36:10 PM
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Funbazooka posted...
Austrians want to preserve their culture and way of life.

And how is this baby a threat to that?

It doesn't even have object permanence.
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not__shawn__z
01/06/18 3:38:01 PM
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TheCEmanCometh posted...
iamintents posted...
trumpeters once again show their true colors


This didn't take place in America though...


You cant expect people like this to actually read the article, or expect crazy people to stop blaming President Trump for everything
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Kirby
01/06/18 3:41:36 PM
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iamintents posted...
trumpeters once again show their true colors


Liberals cant even read the article before bashing Trump and his supporters.
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Funbazooka
01/06/18 3:42:28 PM
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That's part of what I was saying.UnfairRepresent posted...
Funbazooka posted...
Austrians want to preserve their culture and way of life.

And how is this baby a threat to that?

It doesn't even have object permanence.

That's part of what I was saying.

Then again, I wonder how many of the commenters there in Austria took the baby itself as a literal threat or took umbrage with what the baby represents. We don't know what was said aside from one non-racist comment. You have to take a news report like this with a grain of salt.
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Irony
01/06/18 3:43:20 PM
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iamintents posted...
TheCEmanCometh posted...
iamintents posted...
trumpeters once again show their true colors


This didn't take place in America though...

he's infecting the world

It'd be faster and easier for you to just admit that you're stupid
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UnfairRepresent
01/06/18 3:44:00 PM
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Irony posted...
iamintents posted...
TheCEmanCometh posted...
iamintents posted...
trumpeters once again show their true colors


This didn't take place in America though...

he's infecting the world

It'd be faster and easier for you to just admit that you're stupid

Much like the Trump Administration.
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A_Good_Boy
01/06/18 3:48:17 PM
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Kirby posted...
iamintents posted...
trumpeters once again show their true colors


Liberals cant even read the article before bashing Trump and his supporters.

Wait, are Trump supporters above demonizing European Muslims all of a sudden?
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not__shawn__z
01/06/18 4:03:52 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Irony posted...
iamintents posted...
TheCEmanCometh posted...
iamintents posted...
trumpeters once again show their true colors


This didn't take place in America though...

he's infecting the world

It'd be faster and easier for you to just admit that you're stupid

Much like the Trump Administration.


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not__shawn__z
01/06/18 4:04:54 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Wait, are Trump supporters above demonizing European Muslims all of a sudden?


No, but to make the claim that this is trumps fault, when this is an Austrian Facebook page, is silly. If you were less subjective and more objective, you would be able to see that
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A_Good_Boy
01/06/18 4:13:51 PM
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not__shawn__z posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Wait, are Trump supporters above demonizing European Muslims all of a sudden?


No, but to make the claim that this is trumps fault, when this is an Austrian Facebook page, is silly. If you were less subjective and more objective, you would be able to see that

So you can confirm with absolutely certain that no Trump supporters went on to that page and started bashing that couple, as if the alt-right was above going onto the Facebook pages of foreign countries and voicing their concerns over Muslims?
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Funbazooka
01/06/18 4:17:01 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
So you can confirm with absolutely certain that no Trump supporters went on to that page and started bashing that couple

You're strawmanning him just for the sake of arguing at this point. Give it a rest.
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TheVipaGTS
01/06/18 4:19:43 PM
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not__shawn__z posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Wait, are Trump supporters above demonizing European Muslims all of a sudden?


No, but to make the claim that this is trumps fault, when this is an Austrian Facebook page, is silly. If you were less subjective and more objective, you would be able to see that

No but the claim could be made that this problem clearly exists and what Trump and his supporters are doing dont at all help it. Dont be surprised when the actions of what their rhetoric can do gets brought up in discussions like this.
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not__shawn__z
01/06/18 4:20:04 PM
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I don't need to. The burden of proof wouldn't be on me. The burden of proof is on the guy who, in an Austrian Facebook page, is claiming trump voters are the people responsible. It's well documented that Austria, similar to a lot of the central/eastern EU countries like Poland Hungary and Czech, have been pushing back on Islamic immigration/refugees. That is the objective way to look at it. Not to blame american trump voters. That's the insane way to look at it
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not__shawn__z
01/06/18 4:22:04 PM
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TheVipaGTS posted...
No but the claim could be made that this problem clearly exists and what Trump and his supporters are doing dont at all help it. Dont be surprised when the actions of what their rhetoric can do gets brought up in discussions like this.


Sure, but that is indeed a different argument all together and not at all what "trump voters once again show their true colors" was referring to. And you know that, Viper
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TheVipaGTS
01/06/18 4:25:52 PM
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not__shawn__z posted...
TheVipaGTS posted...
No but the claim could be made that this problem clearly exists and what Trump and his supporters are doing dont at all help it. Dont be surprised when the actions of what their rhetoric can do gets brought up in discussions like this.


Sure, but that is indeed a different argument all together and not at all what "trump voters once again show their true colors" was referring to. And you know that, Viper

I agree but Im trying to help you understand why it got brought up instead of just watching you two have a shouting match about it.

Plus hes not entirely wrong. American politics have a lot of interest outside of America. I do know people in other countries who follow whats going on here and ask us about it. Its not an absurd notion that this rhetoric spread as a result of a nation like America pushing it harder.

So fine. Home saying its trump supporters as a whole doing this isnt entirely true. May or may not be. Drawing it around back to trump and the shot hes saying or doing as well as his supporters isnt an absurd notion or isnt a crazy thing to discuss when its somehing wed also want to avoid happening here.
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Solar_Crimson
01/06/18 4:29:44 PM
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Funbazooka posted...
One of the hostile messages to the baby's family referred to the new far-right interior minister Herbert Kickl, saying he "is going to send you out of the country. He's the man to do it."

And why do they want him to deport them from the country?
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not__shawn__z
01/06/18 4:34:36 PM
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What shouting match? I replied to the guy twice. It was civil. I am now replying to you twice. Civil. Are we in a shouting match too? Lol

He is entirely wrong, and now you are misrepresenting his argument. You can't prove trump voters flooded the Austrian Facebook page --- I just read your third paragraph and see you acknowledged that, so good. We are on common ground now

And, since you want to claim that Trump's harsh rhetoric may have increased and promoted a "country first" type policy --- I will go ahead and agree with you there. 100%. You are completely right. But I will also like to note that anti mass immigration/refugees has been a thing since the war over there started, which was before the rise of President Trump
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NadYobWoc
01/06/18 4:40:05 PM
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not__shawn__z posted...
I don't need to. The burden of proof wouldn't be on me. The burden of proof is on the guy who, in an Austrian Facebook page, is claiming trump voters are the people responsible. It's well documented that Austria, similar to a lot of the central/eastern EU countries like Poland Hungary and Czech, have been pushing back on Islamic immigration/refugees. That is the objective way to look at it. Not to blame american trump voters. That's the insane way to look at it

You all come from the same trash heap.
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not__shawn__z
01/06/18 4:43:23 PM
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^ Lol. I can't help but notice how intolerant and rabid the left is on this board, and I've only been here for a day or two. I was hoping to come here for a little better, as close to bipartisan as possible discussion, but it seems like it's impossible anywhere in life
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NadYobWoc
01/06/18 4:51:06 PM
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not__shawn__z posted...
^ Lol. I can't help but notice how intolerant and rabid the left is on this board, and I've only been here for a day or two. I was hoping to come here for a little better, as close to bipartisan as possible discussion, but it seems like it's impossible anywhere in life

Yeah, I have no tolerance for people trying to ruin the world which people I care about have to live in.

And you can cry about "the left" all you want, but I promise you are hated by thinking people across the political spectrum.
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not__shawn__z
01/06/18 4:54:28 PM
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Lol. Half your dosage of estrogen you drama queen

P.S. President Trump is and will always be the 45th President of the United States!
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NadYobWoc
01/06/18 4:57:04 PM
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Great response, never stop flexing those intellectual muscles.
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UnfairRepresent
01/06/18 4:58:56 PM
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not__shawn__z posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
Irony posted...
iamintents posted...
TheCEmanCometh posted...
iamintents posted...
trumpeters once again show their true colors


This didn't take place in America though...

he's infecting the world

It'd be faster and easier for you to just admit that you're stupid

Much like the Trump Administration.


That's currently WINNING of all fronts!!!

Sigless user logic
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not__shawn__z
01/06/18 4:59:17 PM
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Ty, I liked the estrogen dosage comment too lol
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not__shawn__z
01/06/18 4:59:45 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Sigless user logic


Hey now that's completely unfair

HAHA get it?
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CensorErik
01/07/18 12:09:53 AM
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not__shawn__z posted...
Lol. Half your dosage of estrogen you drama queen

P.S. President Trump is and will always be the 45th President of the United States!

not__shawn__z posted...
Ty, I liked the estrogen dosage comment too lol

You liked your own joke. Do you like your own posts on Facebook too? How about your own farts?

Killerkhan never came back? I guess he was trolling after all. Tagged so I know not to pay him any mind in the future.
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UnfairRepresent
01/07/18 6:48:33 AM
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Funbazooka posted...

Then again, I wonder how many of the commenters there in Austria took the baby itself as a literal threat or took umbrage with what the baby represents.

The baby doesn't represent anything beyond being a fucking baby
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twitterfriends
01/07/18 7:27:24 AM
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Its not even about left or right, Trumps beliefs are dangerous, and we thought we learned our lesson with Hitler already
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