Current Events > I don't necessarily think Aziz is a rapist, but christ @ this liberal take on it

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From the Atlantic

I thought it would take a little longer for the hit squad of privileged young white women to open fire on brown-skinned men. I had assumed that on the basis of intersectionality and all that, theyd stay laser focused on college-educated white men for another few months. But were at warp speed now, and the revolutionin many ways so good and so importantis starting to sweep up all sorts of people into its conflagration: the monstrous, the cruel, and the simply unlucky.

I don't want to shut out opposing opinions, so I still read what liberals think about certain topics, but it's getting to be too much for me at this point lmao

I still don't understand why she didn't just leave?
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lmao yikes
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Newsflash: Regardless of the color of their skin, people are still capable of horrific and fucked up things
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In a way, all of this is good. It means people aren't getting away with everything like they have been but in another way, it opens up a can of worms...like I'd never think of someone like Aziz...

1NfamousACE_2 posted...

I still don't understand why she didn't just leave?

yeah, I don't get it. It's weird how American culture acts like women are complete children.

But whatever. If you are a rich man, you should know better. Have her sign a form of consent.

what makes this a "liberal take" and why does this need a partisan slant?
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I don't get how so many men try to fuck women they don't even know

Giant_Aspirin posted...

what makes this a "liberal take" and why does this need a partisan slant?

The Atlantic is a leftist publication.

dameon_reaper posted...

In a way, all of this is good. It means people aren't getting away with everything like they have been but in another way, it opens up a can of worms...like I'd never think of someone like Aziz...

Dude didnt do anything.

The bitch sucked his dick TWICE in a night...got her box eaten...and was naked

All by choice.

Fuck her. Shes just trying to get a paycheck and 15 minutes of fame
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Milkman5 posted...

I don't get how so many men try to fuck women they don't even know

Honestly...a lot of guys do that. I guess its easier when you're famous? Easier and probably the thought in your head "I can do this" and the excuse is "I'm famous, I'm rich" comes to mind.

I mean...there was an episode of South Park regarding this. Everyone said it was an alien trick but in reality, if a guy were rich, he'd do the same..

Giant_Aspirin posted...

what makes this a "liberal take" and why does this need a partisan slant?

Because its all part of the rape wolf cry that the left has been peddling for the past few years. Heres a great example of eye raping where a man looks at a woman, therefore he raped her.

https://www.theodysseyonline.com/eye-raping
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KingCrabCake posted...

dameon_reaper posted...

In a way, all of this is good. It means people aren't getting away with everything like they have been but in another way, it opens up a can of worms...like I'd never think of someone like Aziz...

Dude didnt do anything.

The bitch sucked his dick TWICE in a night...got her box eaten...and was naked

All by choice.

Fuck her. Shes just trying to get a paycheck and 15 minutes of fame

What kind of box? An Amazon.com box? a DVD box? >_> :P

KingCrabCake posted...

Dude didnt do anything.

The b**** sucked his dick TWICE in a night...got her box eaten...and was naked

All by choice.

f*** her. Shes just trying to get a paycheck and 15 minutes of fame

oh is she one of those "i regretted it the day after/later so I was raped"?
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dameon_reaper posted...

I mean...there was an episode of South Park regarding this. Everyone said it was an alien trick but in reality, if a guy were rich, he'd do the same..

naw, a lot of people are not trust worthy. Maybe it's because of where I grew up, but a lot of the people I have met in my life are untrustworthy and scummy.

I would have to know a girl pretty well for me to put my guard down enough to bang her

Milkman5 posted...

I don't get how so many men try to fuck women they don't even know

Cause its easy and nothing wrong with it

Sex is fun and feels good. Nothing wrong with fucking attractive women
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Actually, that's a really good point that I didn't think of. I read the story and he was pushy, sure, but that's just a guy trying to fuck.

She really could've left at any point in time, huh? Well God damn.
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I talked about this in the other topic . I am honesty conflicted here. This seems like he just keep begging and she was down with it. While that is not the most endearing way to get some .. I don't see how that can be put on the level of a rape. However because of the issues with this case, people are attacking the whole movement and I don't think that is right either.
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Not sure why Aziz's skin color has any relevance on these claims being nonsense. The story would have been just as ridiculous if he was a "college-educated white men"
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It wasn't rape and it's not being called that. He was just a douche for repeatedly harassing her after giving her signs that he'd stop when she said she's uncomfortable. Finally her patience hit the limit and she left.
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dave_is_slick posted...

Did you actually read what this is about?

Not this case specifically but it was more just in response to the general idea of:

Milkman5 posted...

I thought it would take a little longer for the hit squad of privileged young white women to open fire on brown-skinned men.

That whole thought process there and the foundation behind it is rather telling
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KingCrabCake posted...

Cause its easy and nothing wrong with it

Sex is fun and feels good. Nothing wrong with f***ing attractive women

It's stupid and risky. Forget a second about rape allegations, think about STDs.
If a girl is ready to bang you after you just met, the odds of her carrying a disease probably sky-rocket.

Milkman5 posted...

dameon_reaper posted...

I mean...there was an episode of South Park regarding this. Everyone said it was an alien trick but in reality, if a guy were rich, he'd do the same..

naw, a lot of people are not trust worthy. Maybe it's because of where I grew up, but a lot of the people I have met in my life are untrustworthy and scummy.

I would have to know a girl pretty well for me to put my guard down enough to bang her

I'm not sure how this is going against what I'm saying. I'm saying that a lot of people are scummy, true but its easier to be scummy if you're rich and famous...hell, maybe even if you're good looking(I wouldn't know)

She never claimed it was rape, only that it's a discussion about sexual behavior that needs to happen. And I agree. It's not healthy or good to badger a woman into saying yes after she's said no.
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Look yall, trying to spit your game to convince a lady to have sex with you is fucking harmless.
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COVxy posted...

She never claimed it was rape, only that it's a discussion about sexual behavior that needs to happen. And I agree. It's not healthy or good to badger a woman into saying yes after she's said no.

Is it wrong that I imagined him begging and being whiny like in Parks and Rec? >_>

COVxy posted...

She never claimed it was rape, only that it's a discussion about sexual behavior that needs to happen. And I agree. It's not healthy or good to badger a woman into saying yes after she's said no.

"But Baby It's Cold Outside"
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Milkman5 posted...

I don't want to shut out opposing opinions, but I love sweeping generalizations

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COVxy posted...

She never claimed it was rape, only that it's a discussion about sexual behavior that needs to happen. And I agree. It's not healthy or good to badger a woman into saying yes after she's said no.

Have you never just like had to bone before? Dude, it's a real affliction.
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Milkman5 posted...

From the Atlantic

I thought it would take a little longer for the hit squad of privileged young white women to open fire on brown-skinned men. I had assumed that on the basis of intersectionality and all that, theyd stay laser focused on college-educated white men for another few months. But were at warp speed now, and the revolutionin many ways so good and so importantis starting to sweep up all sorts of people into its conflagration: the monstrous, the cruel, and the simply unlucky.

eeesh. cognitive dissonance

Veggeta_MAX posted...

COVxy posted...

She never claimed it was rape, only that it's a discussion about sexual behavior that needs to happen. And I agree. It's not healthy or good to badger a woman into saying yes after she's said no.

"But Baby It's Cold Outside"

and yet a Christmas classic >_> lol

cjsdowg posted...

I talked about this in the other topic . I am honesty conflicted here. This seems like he just keep begging and she was down with it. While that is not the most endearing way to get some .. I don't see how that can be put on the level of a rape. However because of the issues with this case, people are attacking the whole movement and I don't think that is right either.

yeah, I mean I wasn't there. I don't think he did anything wrong, maybe pathetic, but she's an adult.
Based on what I've read (her account), I don't think he raped her. But like I said, I obviously wasn't there to see exactly how it happened.

Not making so much a comment on the incident as I'm having an issue with the implication that only "educated white men" should be accused of sexual assault

COVxy posted...

She never claimed it was rape, only that it's a discussion about sexual behavior that needs to happen. And I agree. It's not healthy or good to badger a woman into saying yes after she's said no.

The discussion about sexual behavior that needs to happen is that women need to learn how to directly and unambiguously give and revoke consent. That used to be standard a generation ago with the "no means no" campaign. This nonsense where a man is expected to have the skills of a criminal profiler to pick on negative, non-verbal body cues -- while he's in the middle of trying to enjoy a sexual experience -- is moronic and completely ass backwards.
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What TC quoted is not wrong.
If you read the details, its basic blackmail and only serves to steal credibility from real victims.
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Milkman5 posted...

From the Atlantic

Brown men can't assault women, only worthless white males.

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Lol he even had an episode on master of none about sexual assault
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Pow Pow Punishment posted...

It wasn't rape and it's not being called that. He was just a douche for repeatedly harassing her after giving her signs that he'd stop when she said she's uncomfortable. Finally her patience hit the limit and she left.

Yeah, her performing fellatio twice after letting him perform cunnilingus on her is obviously clear signals that she doesnt want sex.
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KINDERFELD posted...

What TC quoted is not wrong.
If you read the details, its basic blackmail and only serves to steal credibility from real victims.

And women wearing makeup to lie to us men to make us attracted to them is coercion!
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The Admiral posted...

COVxy posted...

She never claimed it was rape, only that it's a discussion about sexual behavior that needs to happen. And I agree. It's not healthy or good to badger a woman into saying yes after she's said no.

The discussion about sexual behavior that needs to happen is that women need to learn how to directly and unambiguously give and revoke consent. That used to be standard a generation ago with the "no means no" campaign. This nonsense where a man is expected to have the skills of a criminal profiler to pick on negative, non-verbal body cues -- while he's in the middle of trying to enjoy a sexual experience -- is moronic and completely ass backwards.

I mean, she explicitly told him she didn't want to have sex, and he kept trying. It's not about reading cues here.
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Nomadic View posted...

Pow Pow Punishment posted...

It wasn't rape and it's not being called that. He was just a douche for repeatedly harassing her after giving her signs that he'd stop when she said she's uncomfortable. Finally her patience hit the limit and she left.

Yeah, her performing fellatio twice after letting him perform cunnilingus on her is obviously clear signals that she doesnt want sex.

Tbf, the second person is allowed to stop. PPP said "repeatedly" meaning that it wasn't just the first no. Just because a girl is intimate with you doesn't mean that you have to go for penetration.

I will agree with that movement is moving a little quick

It's picking up cases and individuals that may have done some stuff that isn't the most cut and dry but doesn't even begin to remotely compare to the real crimes committed already.

It's part of the reason why I don't even bother with the whole dating scene. All it takes is one person being uncomfortable or vindictive to ruin your whole life, even if you never did anything wrong.
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The Admiral posted...

COVxy posted...

She never claimed it was rape, only that it's a discussion about sexual behavior that needs to happen. And I agree. It's not healthy or good to badger a woman into saying yes after she's said no.

The discussion about sexual behavior that needs to happen is that women need to learn how to directly and unambiguously give and revoke consent. That used to be standard a generation ago with the "no means no" campaign. This nonsense where a man is expected to have the skills of a criminal profiler to pick on negative, non-verbal body cues -- while he's in the middle of trying to enjoy a sexual experience -- is moronic and completely ass backwards.

Covxy said there should be no age of consent. He refuses to answer the question should a 30 year old be allowed to have sex with a 9 year old? I really wouldnt take his opinion on rape with any degree of seriousness or reasonableness.
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Nomadic View posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

what makes this a "liberal take" and why does this need a partisan slant?

Because its all part of the rape wolf cry that the left has been peddling for the past few years. Heres a great example of eye raping where a man looks at a woman, therefore he raped her.

https://www.theodysseyonline.com/eye-raping

I don't know why feminists are trying to fight this fake "rape culture" when there are actual rape cultures in Muslim and African societies. They could do a lot of good there but choose to pester Western men into believing saying "I think this woman is cute" qualifies as rape.
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Even liberal NY Times thinks this is horseshit.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/15/opinion/aziz-ansari-babe-sexual-harassment.html

Aziz Ansari Is Guilty. Of Not Being a Mind Reader

Im apparently the victim of sexual assault. And if youre a sexually active woman in the 21st century, chances are that you are, too.

That is what I learned from the expos of Aziz Ansari published this weekend by the feminist website Babe arguably the worst thing that has happened to the #MeToo movement since it began in October. It transforms what ought to be a movement for womens empowerment into an emblem for female helplessness.

The headline primes the reader to gird for the very worst: I went on a date with Aziz Ansari. It turned into the worst night of my life. Like everyone else, I clicked.

The victim in this 3,000-word story is called Grace not her real name and her saga with Mr. Ansari began at a 2017 Emmys after-party. As recounted by Grace to the reporter Katie Way, she approached him, but he brushed her off at first. Then they bonded over their devotion to the same vintage camera.

Grace was at the party with someone else, but she and Mr. Ansari exchanged numbers and soon arranged a date in Manhattan.

After arriving at his TriBeCa apartment on the appointed evening she was excited, having carefully chosen her outfit after consulting with friends they exchanged small talk and drank wine. It was white, she said. I didnt get to choose and I prefer red, but it was white wine. Yes, we are apparently meant to read into the nonconsensual wine choice.

They went out to dinner nearby and then returned home to Mr. Ansaris apartment. As Grace tells it, the actor was far too eager to get back to his place after he paid for dinner: Like, he got the check and then it was bada-boom, bada-bing, were out of there. Another sign of his apparent boorishness.

Grace complimented Mr. Ansaris kitchen countertops. The actor then made a move, asking her to sit on the counter. They started kissing. He undressed her and then himself.

In the 30 or so minutes that followed recounted beat by cringe-inducing beat they hooked up. Mr. Ansari persistently tried to have penetrative sex with her, and Grace says she was deeply uncomfortable throughout. At various points, she told the reporter, she attempted to voice her hesitation, and that Mr. Ansari ignored her signals.

At last, she uttered the word no for the first time during their encounter, to Mr. Ansaris suggestion that they have sex in front of a mirror. He said: How about we just chill, but this time with our clothes on?

They got dressed, sat on the couch and watched Seinfeld. She said to him: You guys are all the same. He called her an Uber. She cried on the way home. Fin.

If you are wondering what about this evening constituted the worst night of Graces life, or why it is being framed as a #MeToo story by a feminist website, you probably feel as confused as Mr. Ansari did the next day. It was fun meeting you last night, he texted.
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But the solution to these problems does not begin with women torching men for failing to understand their nonverbal cues. It is for women to be more verbal. Its to say: This is what turns me on. Its to say I dont want to do that. And, yes, sometimes it means saying piss off.

The single most distressing thing to me about Graces story is that the only person with any agency in the story seems to be Aziz Ansari. Grace is merely acted upon.

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Nomadic View posted...

Misrepresenting my argument only makes you look stupid and emotional.
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Milkman5 posted...

I don't get how so many men try to fuck women they don't even know

Is this a real question lol
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Milkman5 posted...

Not making so much a comment on the incident as I'm having an issue with the implication that only "educated white men" should be accused of sexual assault

Wait, is this seriously how you interpreted that line in the Atlantic article?
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fenderbender321 posted...

COVxy posted...

She never claimed it was rape, only that it's a discussion about sexual behavior that needs to happen. And I agree. It's not healthy or good to badger a woman into saying yes after she's said no.

For some reason this made me think of Steve Urkel trying to get with Laura.

"I'm wearin' you down, baby!"

Its probably one of those things that have gone bad with age. Certain tropes in movies and t.v. can be pretty much harassment or any other kind of issue in real life. Hell, there were a lot of things going on in that show...like..would any one really let someone like that come to their house? Destroys their property, harasses their daughter...like geeze.