Poll of the Day > omg the new owner of the house im renting is mailing a 30 day notice to vacate

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Greenfox111 posted...

wow youve got this guy by the balls

i know. i can't take it!

Zeus posted...

There's no way he didn't know that. Nobody gets fresh into the home-flipping market and starts by buying seven houses.

he said all the other houses he bought had no lease. mine must have been a mistake lmao sucks for him great for me

Zeus posted...

You're making pretty good money these days, aren't you? Is there any reason why you don't just offer to buy the home from him for the same price he paid?

because i don't want this dumpy house. the previous property manager did a lot of shitty renovations and it's already falling apart. we've only been here 2 years. this house is a money sink and i don't want it.
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Usually you pay first and last months rent along with a deposit (refundable) and if you have a pet sometimes a pet deposit (non-refundable).

Any agreement they would come to would be on top of the normal return of the deposit, and of course if she already paid last months rent, that would be factored in as well.

The important thing here is to know that it's a prime time to sell, and many think the market is going to go the other way in the next few years. New evaluations happen in the next month or two, so this is a very time sensitive issue.

I'm thinking of selling my house, but am holding off as I figure at worst it'll go down a bit in value, and probably stay around the same (might even go up a bit more). My home went from 315k in value in 2015 to 422k in 2017.

From a pure finacial perspective it probably makes sense to sell my home right away if I could, as the likelyhood it'll go up a bunch more in value is low...but I am actually living here and it would be alot of work and a big change.

In Jen's new owners case though selling fast is a way better idea, as it's a crap shoot without good odds right now that the value will actually increase. So yeah, I'm sure he's highly motivated to make a deal.
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Jen0125 posted...

OmegaTomHank posted...

Jen0125 posted...

bro i'm gonna pretend i'm an attorney and ask for the stars and settle for what i want.

that's what i learned from my job.

i'm gonna ask for a ton and have HIM negotiate ME down until i get exactly what i want

what is your first demand going to be?

7 thousand?

depends how much our actual moving expenses turn out to be

you have to understand houses in my area can sell for $250,000-300,000 and they're just small 70s single floor houses. simply because of location.

if this guy pays me $7k to move out of a house he probably got for $120k as part of a bulk sale from my current landlord (7 houses) he's still making out like a fucking bandit for his flipping house sales.

Oh.... I see now.

Yeah press him. No whammy

Is the last month rent only for a house?

Ive never heard of that for apartments in my area

i am going to at the very least not move unless i receive:

my deposit back for this home ($1100)
first month rent in my new place (to be determined but i'm not gonna get greedy obviously, it will be similar to our rent now $1200 which we can afford)
deposit for my new house (around $1200)
a pet deposit for my new house (whatever the charge is)
rental application for a new house
any and ALL moving expenses, which will include movers because of the inconvenience of moving (>=] college hunks move your stuff here we come)
and last month rent if required.

BUT i'm going to start HIGH and see if he wants to negotiate down to those things so i make out with what i want and he gets what he wants.
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OmegaTomHank posted...

Is the last month rent only for a house?

Ive never heard of that for apartments in my area

It just depends on the landlords. They can do whatever as they own the place...
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Jen0125 posted...

he said all the other houses he bought had no lease. mine must have been a mistake lmao sucks for him great for me

Shit, that can be dangerous if he consults an attorney etc.

Again, he just needs to say he is actually moving into the house and your screwed (There is no legal limit dictating how long he needs to live there before selling).

That is of course if what he is saying is true, and from what the girl at the office said, about hopefully him not doing that for all the properties, it may not be true.

Even if it is true, he would at least need to legally move into the house and change his address, for a month or two, so it would still be worth at least 2 months rent just to avoid having to do that.

Does give him an out if your the only ones with a lease though. Still think contacting the other tenants would be a good idea if you could swing it. More information is never a bad thing.
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Your rent is too damn high.

wolfy42 posted...

Shit, that can be dangerous if he consults an attorney etc.

not for me. i have a lease agreement either with him or my current landlord. that'd be a dispute for him and my current landlord lol. either way i have a contract signed that has been legally transferred with the house and if he wants to dispute the sale he'll have to take it up with the property manager and they'll honor my lease and try to sell the house again. my PM has like 100 houses they are trying to liquidate so they can retire.

wolfy42 posted...

Again, he just needs to say he is actually moving into the house and your screwed (There is no legal limit dictating how long he needs to live there before selling).

until my current PM goes to bat for me because they wholesaled him 7 houses. they are PISSED he left that note for me and already contacted an attorney to discuss my rights.

wolfy42 posted...

Even if it is true, he would at least need to legally move into the house and change his address, for a month or two, so it would still be worth at least 2 months rent just to avoid having to do that.

they bought it under an LLC so it'd be hard for him to make the argument he wanted to use it as his primary residence.

OmegaTomHank posted...

Your rent is too damn high.

well it's the area we live in. i have a 2br/1ba house from 1970 with a big yard for $1200 a month. it's not a great house. but the area is fantastic.

if we move to a different area we could pay the same rent or less for a 3-4br/2-3ba house with a yard etc.
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Jen0125 posted...

i am going to at the very least not move unless i receive:

my deposit back for this home ($1100)
first month rent in my new place (to be determined but i'm not gonna get greedy obviously, it will be similar to our rent now $1200 which we can afford)
deposit for my new house (around $1200)
a pet deposit for my new house (whatever the charge is)
rental application for a new house
any and ALL moving expenses, which will include movers because of the inconvenience of moving (>=] college hunks move your stuff here we come)
and last month rent if required.

BUT i'm going to start HIGH and see if he wants to negotiate down to those things so i make out with what i want and he gets what he wants.

Hope I'm not giving too much advice, let me know if I am.

I would suggest stating just a flat figure that you consider fair for you to move, and let him know you can break down the specifics if needed. He could easily just go for a number, but if you break down individual points, he might decide to argue some of them.

I would also review your contract/lease as quite often there is a clause for breaking the lease included. This is usually done for the Landlords protection, but would give you a clear starting point (you could ask for more, but would in no way agree to less then that amount).

Also, it matters if he actually served you with a 30 day notice already. In most states at least, all the protections are there for the tenants, giving them quite a few ways to break a lease without penalty (unfixed/repaired items, finding another person to rent the unit in your place etc).

There is no....specific...penalty (well at least in the states I have lived in) for a landlord that serves a 30 day notice that can't be enforced (for whatever reason), but..there is if the landlord actually tried to physically remove you (with the help of police, changing your locks etc). That didn't happen in this case, but it's still good to keep in mind he served you with a 30 day notice. It's his error, and if you do end up in court it could matter.

Remember, even if you don't end up getting squat from him now, you might actually still get something from court later, if you end up having to move (due to pressure etc) before your lease expires. Since he already served you with a 30 day notice, that would give you enough reason to show you felt .....pressured to move....and require financial compensation.

Best to just negotiate, but yeah, you have options if that falls through, so stand strong.
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Make him buy my house.
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He could always have an.... accident... Or maybe... disappear under mysterious circumstances... Just so you know...
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wolfy42 posted...

I would suggest stating just a flat figure that you consider fair for you to move, and let him know you can break down the specifics if needed. He could easily just go for a number, but if you break down individual points, he might decide to argue some of them.

oh yeah for sure. that's what he said. i said all that i minimally required. he said find a new place to live, figure out the expenses and then we can discuss a hard final number once i've calculated all my expenses. i'm just breaking it down here for conversation sake.

wolfy42 posted...

I would also review your contract/lease as quite often there is a clause for breaking the lease included. This is usually done for the Landlords protection, but would give you a clear starting point (you could ask for more, but would in no way agree to less then that amount).

i have reviewed my lease 100 times because of the nature of my job. that's why that handwritten note was such a huge red flag to me. i knew my lease didn't give him grounds for a 30 day notice at all.

wolfy42 posted...

Also, it matters if he actually served you with a 30 day notice already. In most states at least, all the protections are there for the tenants, giving them quite a few ways to break a lease without penalty (unfixed/repaired items, finding another person to rent the unit in your place etc).

he didn't. he thought they did but the secretary at his company confirmed they never mailed me a notice to vacate in 30 days. legally per my lease they need to give me at least 60 days so i would have fought that.

wolfy42 posted...

There is no....specific...penalty (well at least in the states I have lived in) for a landlord that serves a 30 day notice that can't be enforced (for whatever reason), but..there is if the landlord actually tried to physically remove you (with the help of police, changing your locks etc). That didn't happen in this case, but it's still good to keep in mind he served you with a 30 day notice. It's his error, and if you do end up in court it could matter.

if he did any of that he would have grounds for a lawsuit against him, which i am prepared for. in my state i can get 3x damages for unlawful eviction and my attorney costs paid. plus since i work for an insurance company i could have found an attorney likely to take me on initially with no out of pocket cost to me at least for a consultation and then i could hire them on contingency. and it's not a conflict of interest because it's not related to my job. they would just do me a favor of not charging up front because they have relationships with a lot of us.

wolfy42 posted...

Since he already served you with a 30 day notice, that would give you enough reason to show you felt .....pressured to move....and require financial compensation.

the beauty is they DIDN'T send me the 30 day notice. he just thought they did. he works for an LLC with a partner and at least a secretary so there must have been something lost in translation somewhere.
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Ugh, $1200 here gets you a room in someone's apartment.
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Renraku_San posted...

Ugh, $1200 here gets you a room in someone's apartment.

Good thing you're a professor of medical law making $80K a month
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RCtheWSBC posted...

Renraku_San posted...

Ugh, $1200 here gets you a room in someone's apartment.

Good thing you're a professor of medical law making $80K a month

Lmao
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RCtheWSBC posted...

Renraku_San posted...

Ugh, $1200 here gets you a room in someone's apartment.

Good thing you're a professor of medical law making $80K a month

You're right, I should move my practice and law firm to the Midwest!
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Renraku_San posted...

RCtheWSBC posted...

Renraku_San posted...

Ugh, $1200 here gets you a room in someone's apartment.

Good thing you're a professor of medical law making $80K a month

You're right, I should move my practice and law firm to the Midwest!

Your medical law practice where you teach you mean.
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we've been making appointments to look at new places. there's one house about 10 minutes away i'm really interested in.
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Jen0125 posted...

we've been making appointments to look at new places. there's one house about 10 minutes away i'm really interested in.

Basically like moving down the street. Haha.
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LinkPizza posted...

Jen0125 posted...

we've been making appointments to look at new places. there's one house about 10 minutes away i'm really interested in.

Basically like moving down the street. Haha.

we moved less than a mile last time we moved ;-;
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i wouldn't mind moving into a different house in my neighborhood but nothing is up for rent
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I'm still not sure how the hell you accidentally buy the wrong house.

shadowsword87 posted...

I'm still not sure how the hell you accidentally buy the wrong house.

I am getting the feeling the guy is lying, and all the houses he purchased have leases, he is trying to weasel his way out with Jen by making it sound like it was a mistake
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Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
Most people probably wouldn't fight it

yeah idk if he was trying to finesse me or not. lots of people don't know they have tenant rights but i did. i'm more than willing to be bought out of this lease but not until i find a really suitable place to live.
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My town actually has a law on the books that you can't sell a house unless you have owned it for over 5 years. In theory, it prevents flipping of houses (which it does), but in practice it just leads to a bunch of zombie houses that the owners don't want anything to do with because they are stuck with them and don't want to pay for maintenance. My neighborhood has about 4 - 5 of them that have been abandoned for a while, one is literally two doors down from me. Which is a shame because when I moved in that house was amazing. If it was up for sale a year earlier when I bought my house I probably would be living there now given how nice it is.
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Dikitain posted...

My town actually has a law on the books that you can't sell a house unless you have owned it for over 5 years. In theory, it prevents flipping of houses (which it does), but in practice it just leads to a bunch of zombie houses that the owners don't want anything to do with because they are stuck with them and don't want to pay for maintenance. My neighborhood has about 4 - 5 of them that have been abandoned for a while, one is literally two doors down from me. Which is a shame because when I moved in that house was amazing. If it was up for sale a year earlier when I bought my house I probably would be living there now given how nice it is.

That is a really moronic law.
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Dikitain posted...

My town actually has a law on the books that you can't sell a house unless you have owned it for over 5 years. In theory, it prevents flipping of houses (which it does), but in practice it just leads to a bunch of zombie houses that the owners don't want anything to do with because they are stuck with them and don't want to pay for maintenance. My neighborhood has about 4 - 5 of them that have been abandoned for a while, one is literally two doors down from me. Which is a shame because when I moved in that house was amazing. If it was up for sale a year earlier when I bought my house I probably would be living there now given how nice it is.

So people are still buying house to flip them? And are waiting 5 years or so to sell them? I feel that would cost more since you would either have to keep them looking good. Or fix them after they become a zombie house.
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Revelation34 posted...

Dikitain posted...

My town actually has a law on the books that you can't sell a house unless you have owned it for over 5 years. In theory, it prevents flipping of houses (which it does), but in practice it just leads to a bunch of zombie houses that the owners don't want anything to do with because they are stuck with them and don't want to pay for maintenance. My neighborhood has about 4 - 5 of them that have been abandoned for a while, one is literally two doors down from me. Which is a shame because when I moved in that house was amazing. If it was up for sale a year earlier when I bought my house I probably would be living there now given how nice it is.

That is a really moronic law.

No complaints there. I mean the intent was good since it is a neighborhood of starter homes (3 - 4 bedrooms on half acre lots) and the flipping was out of control there. But I just don't think it was implemented properly.

So people are still buying house to flip them? And are waiting 5 years or so to sell them? I feel that would cost more since you would either have to keep them looking good. Or fix them after they become a zombie house.

I think the problem is that we are literally the only town in the metropolitan area with this rule, so people who buy tons of houses don't realize it and get stuck with the house.
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Revelation34 posted...

Dikitain posted...

My town actually has a law on the books that you can't sell a house unless you have owned it for over 5 years. In theory, it prevents flipping of houses (which it does), but in practice it just leads to a bunch of zombie houses that the owners don't want anything to do with because they are stuck with them and don't want to pay for maintenance. My neighborhood has about 4 - 5 of them that have been abandoned for a while, one is literally two doors down from me. Which is a shame because when I moved in that house was amazing. If it was up for sale a year earlier when I bought my house I probably would be living there now given how nice it is.

That is a really moronic law.

Bull crap. Cant sell a home unless you have owned it for 5 years? Bull shit.
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Where do you live? That is total crap.
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OneTimeBen posted...

Where do you live?

Greece, in the Rochester NY area.
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Dikitain posted...

OneTimeBen posted...

Where do you live?

Greece, in the Rochester NY area.

I dont believe it. You cant buy a home and sell it in two years? Too many haunted homes or what?
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No such law.
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lmao my old landlord called and said this guy must not know what he's doing because they sold the homes to one LLC and they sold the home to another LLC which this guy owns and he didn't do his due diligence to check if there was a lease apparently.
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OneTimeBen posted...

No such law. Jen.

jen? i didn't say there was a law.
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So the whole story is bs. Got it.
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are you talking about the homes in greece, ny? that's not me telling that story.
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Even if there is no law, you could always put in on the lease...
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Jen0125 posted...

OneTimeBen posted...

No such law. Jen.

jen? i didn't say there was a law.

Sorry. Other guy said there is a law.
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What is this world coming to. All housing should be free and we shouldnt need landlords, right Jen?

Noop_Noop posted...

What is this world coming to. All housing should be free and we shouldnt need landlords, right Jen?

I mean we have low income housing assistance. So.
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Jen0125 posted...

Noop_Noop posted...

What is this world coming to. All housing should be free and we shouldnt need landlords, right Jen?

I mean we have low income housing assistance. So.

And the owners of the buildings dont check the place?
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I don't mean "we" as in me personally. I mean "we" as in society.
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I rent. Not low income housing and the place is looked at once per year. Mainly for fire alarms and extinguishers.
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My landlords have never done a yearly inspection on any property I've rented. I also don't rent low income. But I also haven't rented an apartment in years.
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Jen0125 posted...

My landlords have never done a yearly inspection on any property I've rented. I also don't rent low income. But I also haven't rented an apartment in years.

So if you have a fire, sue them
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Jen0125 posted...

Noop_Noop posted...

What is this world coming to. All housing should be free and we shouldnt need landlords, right Jen?

I mean we have low income housing assistance. So.

so... all housing is free then?

really not understanding the point youre trying to make here, but if it is anything short of "we should give everyone everything they want for free" then you are selfish
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