Current Events > Do I, Mal_Fet, support Trump?

(+) Yeah! (+)

For those of you who care, as long as he keeps doing the things I like, yes.

GDP growth has been above 3% three quarters in a row, and may be higher for the fourth quarter

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/12/trump-economys-sustained-growth-pace-unlike-anything-seen-in-13-years.html

Unemployment is also way down; the lowest it has been in 17 years

http://money.cnn.com/2017/11/03/news/economy/october-jobs-report/index.html

(And yes, real unemployment (U6) is also down)

Black unemployment is the lowest it has ever been, since they started recording the figures.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/05/black-unemployment-rate-falls-to-record-low.html

Lastly, stocks are breaking records now all the time. Consumer and business confidence is through the roof, and it's entirely thanks to the tax cuts and mass deregulation of the private sector. In one year, stocks grew by half of the amount it took them to grow in the entire 8 years of Obama's presidency.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/18/stock-markets-value-under-trump-has-grown-by-6-point-9-trillion-to-30-point-6-trillion.html

Oh yeah, and ISIS has been wiped off the map.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/12/08/trump-mattis-turn-military-loose-on-isis-leaving-terror-caliphate-in-tatters.html

"But Obama is the one who did all this!"

Obama averaged a 2% growth throughout his presidency, only counting the period after the recession had ended. Furthermore, the Federal budget has way less to do with business performance than regulations and taxes do. And giving Obama credit for new growth almost a year after all his policies were wiped clean just reeks of desperation. No one hires based on how their company was doing over a year ago, they hire based on their current situation and how they expect the market to look in the future, and whether expansion seems promising. As for Black unemployment specifically, unemployment under Obama for them was....less than ideal.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/378087/black-americans-are-worse-under-obama-deroy-murdock

I noticed a lot of publications today are trying to give Obama credit for lowering black unemployment during his presidency, but they all use numbers beginning during the great recession, meaning his actual accomplishments in that area would be rather skewed. There was nowhere to go but up after the recession, and if anything Obama's policies slowed the recovery. Again, he averaged 2% growth after the recession, the weakest recovery from a recession since the great depression.

As for ISIS, Obama's lax approach to them (calling them "JV league") is precisely what allowed them to flourish and cause as much havoc as they did.

Point is, giving Obama credit for all the great things that happened long after his legacy of policies were eliminated from the books is, well, sad. And that's why I support Trump and not Obama: one gets results and the other didn't.

tl;dr: Trump is measurably making the country great at a way faster rate than Obama ever did. So yes.
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TL;DR

"Yes"
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Mal_Fet posted...

For those of you who care, as long as he keeps doing the things I like, yes.

You know you could have saved some time and stopped the topic here dude.

Only like 4 people are going to read beyond that and 3 of them already hate you...
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Mal_Fet posted...

For those of you who care

*topic list*
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so where did all of that "I don't support Trump" stuff come from, then? was i just making all of it up?
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There isn't a person on this board that doesn't know you love Trump

Giant_Aspirin posted...

so where did all of that "I don't support Trump" stuff come from, then? was i just making all of it up?

Yes.
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Axiom posted...

There isn't a person on this board that doesn't know you love Trump

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you're actually asserting that you NEVER EVER said "I don't support Trump" ?
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Reported
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OK
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

you're actually asserting that you NEVER EVER said "I don't support Trump" ?

I may have said "I don't support everything Trump says" or "I didn't vote for Trump". I will rarely say that I don't support someone full-stop.
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Veggeta_MAX posted...

Axiom posted...

There isn't a person on this board that doesn't know you love Trump

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Fuck man...you're better than this...
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Mal_Fet posted...

I will rarely say that I don't support someone full-stop.

even if it's a Democrat / LIBERAL?
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Mal Fet delivers yet again. ;)
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

I will rarely say that I don't support someone full-stop.

even if it's a Democrat / LIBERAL?

I mostly support Bernie Sanders' stance on guns.
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alright, well then i apologize for misrepresenting you and i'll make a conscious effort not to repeat that mistake.
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Uh Trump did not change any of the strategies used in defeating ISIS. Nothing changed they were already losing ground.
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Nobody cares
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Mal_Fet posted...

Black unemployment is the lowest it has ever been, since they started recording the figures.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/05/black-unemployment-rate-falls-to-record-low.html

Lol this is why you like trump? Like you give a fuck
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Very good reasons to support him. And the tax cut he's giving us :)

Trump is easily one of the best presidents in modern history, if not the best.
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We the American people are making America great in spite of Trump who is doing everything in his power to make us look bad.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

alright, well then i apologize for misrepresenting you and i'll make a conscious effort not to repeat that mistake.

Yeah I bet.

creativerealms posted...

Uh Trump did not change any of the strategies used in fighting ISIS.

Just over a year later, ISIS has been routed from Iraq and Syria with an ease and speed that's surprised even the men and women who carried out the mission. Experts say it's a prime example of a campaign promise kept. President Trump scrapped his predecessors rules of engagement, which critics say hamstrung the military, and let battlefield decisions be made by the generals in the theater, and not bureaucrats in Washington.

"I felt quite liberated because we had a clear mandate and there was no questioning that.
- U.S. Marine Col. Seth Folsom

HeyPuff posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Black unemployment is the lowest it has ever been, since they started recording the figures.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/05/black-unemployment-rate-falls-to-record-low.html

Lol this is why you like trump? Like you give a fuck

Even if you were to insist I were a raging hateful bigot, that wouldn't explain why I, or anyone, would want a segment of the population to be destitute. All that would result in is there would reamain a weight on society and the country at large.
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The tax cuts help no one but the giant corporations that were squeezing out small businesses and driving wages down. I think thats just a consequence of progress more than anything Trump did, but hes only helped speed that trend without actually addressing any root problems. Im not a fan, even if some of the things hes done have benefited me in the short term
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Mal_Fet posted...

as long as he keeps doing the things I like, yes.

Mal, buddy.

There is nothing wrong with approving of something good that Trump does. The issue people dog on you for is that you seem to not acknowledge or defend the bad shit he does which is basically the definition of a partisan hack.
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CrimsonRage posted...

I don't recall you ever having any opinion on Israel/Palestine (other than the usual "Islam BAD" that Repubs do) before but as soon as Trump declared he would recognise Jerusalem as its capital

Looks like you need to start paying attention.

I weigh in on every pro-Palestine topic with the same response: How could anyone who professes to be a liberal support Palestine over Israel? Why do the people who shout their throats raw over the rights of gay couples to buy a cake at any bakery they want seem to want the homosexuals in that region to be subject to the death penalty?
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ChromaticAngel posted...

There is nothing wrong with approving of something good that Trump does. The issue people dog on you for is that you seem to not acknowledge or defend the bad shit he does

Thing is, you guys regularly conflate things he says with the things he does. I honestly don't care about what he says so long as the things he does are beneficial. Idgaf how much he offends you or some multi-millionaire football players.

He's like the reverse Obama. While Obama said pretty things while imprisoning whistleblowers, illegally spying on the American people, and wrapping red tape around businesses, Trump says dumb things while empirically making the economy great again.
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Mal_Fet posted...

CrimsonRage posted...

I don't recall you ever having any opinion on Israel/Palestine (other than the usual "Islam BAD" that Repubs do) before but as soon as Trump declared he would recognise Jerusalem as its capital

Looks like you need to start paying attention.

I weigh in on every pro-Palestine topic with the same response: How could anyone who professes to be a liberal support Palestine over Israel? Why do the people who shout their throats raw over the rights of gay couples to buy a cake at any bakery they want seem to want the homosexuals in that region to be subject to the death penalty?

I just want to say I don't think a totally Jewish state would treat homosexuals much better. Fucking Mike Pence wants mandatory conversion therapy. Imagine if the whole fucking country was run by him and his clones.

And that's just the much more mellow modern day protestant-style Christianity. Judaism and Islam are much more extreme.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

I just want to say I don't think a totally Jewish state would treat homosexuals much better.

Looks like you've learned something new today. Israel is the only country in the region where it's actually safe to be openly homosexual.

ChromaticAngel posted...

Fucking Mike Pence wants mandatory conversion therapy.

Fake news, bro.
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creativerealms posted...

Uh Trump did not change any of the strategies used in fighting ISIS. Nothing changed they were already losing ground. So somehow the same tactics Obama used went from making them flourish to defeating them? Or maybe it wasn't Obama or Trump's doing but the people on the ground fighting for their lands? The Kurds deserve more credit then any foreign power.

pretty sure Mattis helped the Isis situation
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Show me where Pence wants mandatory conversion therapy. False.
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Obvously what I want from a leader and what Fett wants are two very different things. The job growth is great but I don't think Trump has done anything to contribute to it. The tax cut will contribute to job growth for 2018 yet in the last year what? His very presence? Same thing with unemployment. Again what did he do? Most of the things he did so far have not been related to the economy so it seems to me it is a coincidence. If the growth continues great and it's all Trump. I just don't know yet.

I have pointed out the things I don't like about the Trump administration and Trump himself. They haven't done anything to earn my trust. I want a president who is fiscally strong and socially progressive. Why do we have to go backwards on one to have the other? Why does healthcare have to suffer, or the EPA, or education. Why did Trump have to choose people who hate the very organizations they are put in charge of? Maybe I'm afraid of nothing but for some reason I think this is the calm before the storm.
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Mal_Fet posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

There is nothing wrong with approving of something good that Trump does. The issue people dog on you for is that you seem to not acknowledge or defend the bad shit he does

Thing is, you guys regularly conflate things he says with the things he does.

Idgaf how much he offends you or some multi-millionaire football players. I care about empirical upward movement that is backed up by numbers.

I'm also concerned with numbers.

I'm concerned that life expectancy is going down. I'm concerned that our national education level is lagging behind many other countries. I'm concerned that he's diverting money away from enterprises like Solar to prop up Coal for strictly political reasons while China races to overtake us in technology. I'm concerned that more crackdowns are happening on fucking people who just smoke weed.

Like, we can reduce unemployment to 0 if we just line up every unemployed dude next to a ditch and murdered them. We wouldn't do that because it's fucking insanity and saying that xyz looks like an improvement isn't automatically a good thing depending on how that improvement got there in the first place.

If we got rid of minimum wage, we'd probably see a lot more jobs because now I can hire 3 or 4 people for the price of one but that's not a good thing.
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tl:dr but yes we all know you're a trump shill
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creativerealms posted...

Obvously what I want from a leader and what Fett wants are two very different things. The job growth is great but I don't think Trump has done anything to contribute to it. The tax cut will contribute to job growth for 2018 yet in the last year what? His very presence? Same thing with unemployment. Again what did he do?

Business deregulation

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trump-delivering-deregulation/
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Mal_Fet posted...

CrimsonRage posted...

I don't recall you ever having any opinion on Israel/Palestine (other than the usual "Islam BAD" that Repubs do) before but as soon as Trump declared he would recognise Jerusalem as its capital

Looks like you need to start paying attention.

I weigh in on every pro-Palestine topic with the same response: How could anyone who professes to be a liberal support Palestine over Israel? Why do the people who shout their throats raw over the rights of gay couples to buy a cake at any bakery they want seem to want the homosexuals in that region to be subject to the death penalty?

I don't think many liberals really are pro-Palestine (Though I'm sure there are some) however not wanting to make tension worse and maybe provoke an attack is not pro-Palestine. The whole idea that liberals love Islam is a huge lie that I wish would die.
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Mal_Fet posted...

creativerealms posted...

Obvously what I want from a leader and what Fett wants are two very different things. The job growth is great but I don't think Trump has done anything to contribute to it. The tax cut will contribute to job growth for 2018 yet in the last year what? His very presence? Same thing with unemployment. Again what did he do?

Business deregulation

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trump-delivering-deregulation/

I am pro regulation. I think allowing businesses to do what ever they want might help the economy in the short run but will hurt a majority of the American people. What do these regulations do? What will they effect? Regulations sound like a dirty word but how do we know only the useless ones were removed? Many are useful. Businesses do not have the right to under pay their employees or not have proper safety in place. I hope none of those regulations are saftey regulations.
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CrimsonRage posted...

You don't care, yet you still feel the need to jump in those topics to defend him. If you agree that he says dumb things, why do you never post in those topics to call him out?

I defend him when people blow his statements completely out of proportion, like when they insist he was referring to Nazis when he said there were good people on both sides of the statue protest, which there were, since not all the pro-statue protesters were Nazis.

I still think it was dumb of him to say, but it's still not a pro-Nazi statement.
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I, Garland, will knock you all down.

I'm seriously starting to wonder if this isn't a new cult that's popped up called MAGA with Trump being the founder and spiritual leader, and Trumpism their religious doctrine.

If so, it's going to be insanely hard to get rid of at this point.
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creativerealms posted...

I am pro regulation. I think allowing businesses to do what ever they want might help the economy in the short run but will hurt a majority of the American people. What do these regulations do? What will they effect? Regulations sound like a dirty word but how do we know only the useless ones were removed? Many are useful.

Saying you're "pro regulation" is like saying you're "pro-bacteria". Some are good, some are bad.

I, as someone who actually has an LLC, know for a fact that there's way too many regulations on small businesses. We don't need an exponential growth of new regulations every year. It's high time to trim the fat.
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Mal_Fet posted...

CrimsonRage posted...

You don't care, yet you still feel the need to jump in those topics to defend him. If you agree that he says dumb things, why do you never post in those topics to call him out?

I defend him when people blow his statements completely out of proportion, like when they insist he was referring to Nazis when he said there were good people on both sides of the statue protest, which there were, since not all the pro-statue protesters were Nazis.

I still think it was dumb of him to say, but it's still not a pro-Nazi statement.

I don't think he was talking about the Nazis ether, I don't think he was actually talking about the man in the Car but that was the main reason his opinion was asked and well it's easy to jump to conclusions.

As I said I believe the president should be a professional, should be someone who is respectable and kind. Trump's actions though twitter and to the world at large not only shape the world's opinion of him but also their opinion of the USA. He represents us and is giving us a bad name. Now thats not enough to get rid of him and I hope a bad public presence is the worst we can expect from Trump.

I joke about Trump because he's easy to joke about. I also joked about Obama, Bush Jr, Clinton, and Bush Sr. All the presidents I remember in my lifetime. Bush was Dana Carvey, I actually didn't know the first Bush outside SNL. Clinton was the blowjob scandal, his approaching impeachment and how Hilary was the real power behind Bill. Bush Jr. Was the lovable idiot at first man only in office because of his father. Later he was still an idiot bur less lovable and more warmongering. Obama was the man of many names, the man of many ethnic backgrounds, and religions. Also "Thanks Obama." The president is always a target of jokes. The fact that Trump is so sensitive sees every joke as an attack against him makes him more of a target. I will continue to make fun of him even if I liked him maybe even more so/.
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Mal_Fet posted...

as someone who actually has an LLC

It doesn't take that much to have an LLC.
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