Current Events > Apparently Trump is killing a lot of jobs in the solar industry

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https://twitter.com/NOW1SOLAR/status/955579485998362625

As a solar company, we are devastated to learn Trump has imposed a 30% tariff on solar panels virtually killing the solar industry. Solar employs more people than coal and oil combined. today's decision will cause the loss of roughly 23,000 American jobs this year.

It's a long Twitter thread. So what are your thoughts on this? Is he wrong? Discuss
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Make Mexico hire them
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He's gotta hold to his campaign promise and save the coal industry.
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gotta keep coal on life support
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America is a shithole and doesnt deserve intelligent people
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On the bright side, this creates a larger demand for fossil fuel and could lead to growth in those areas.
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TheRealDill2000 posted...

On the bright side, this creates a larger demand for fossil fuel and could lead to growth in those areas.

Yeah but he's killing a lot of jobs, that doesn't sound like a thing he said he would do.
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Hes so fucking stupid.

josifrees posted...

America is a shithole and doesnt deserve intelligent people

quit crying

TheRealDill2000 posted...

On the bright side, this creates a larger demand for fossil fuel

how is that remotely a good thing
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how many fossils are left?
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> Trump kills the solar power industry
> Trump still has done nothing for the coal industry

So much winning, right red hats? All these people losing their jobs or not working is great!
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Doom_Art posted...

TheRealDill2000 posted...

On the bright side, this creates a larger demand for fossil fuel

how is that remotely a good thing

Because unlike solar where you only have power until the sun goes down, dinosaurs will always be around and dying giving us fuel. DUH.
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TheRealDill2000 posted...

On the bright side, this creates a larger demand for fossil fuel and could lead to growth in those areas.

that's not a bright side
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WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...

Doom_Art posted...

TheRealDill2000 posted...

On the bright side, this creates a larger demand for fossil fuel

how is that remotely a good thing

Because unlike solar where you only have power until the sun goes down, dinosaurs will always be around and dying giving us fuel. DUH.

This is an appropriate response to the original post.
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Please don't respond to RealDill.
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scar the 1 posted...

TheRealDill2000 posted...

On the bright side, this creates a larger demand for fossil fuel and could lead to growth in those areas.

Yeah but he's killing a lot of jobs.

You aren't acknowledging the job growth that will offset this.
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Better than investing billions into solar companies that don't even last a year *coughObama*
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Anyone that thinks we are even remotely close to phasing out fossil fuels is delusional at best.
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Remember when him and his cultists bragged about the like, 300 jobs they saved at Carrier (that turned out to be lost anyway) and painted him as some sort of job saving miracle man.

Good times.
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Mal_Fet posted...

Better than investing billions into solar companies that don't even last a year *coughObama*

Do you have anything other than off-topic deflections to offer? If Obama did a bad investment, I suppose that's bad. This is about the tariffs Trump is imposing that are causing tens of thousands of people to lose their jobs. What are your thoughts on this?
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meestermj posted...

Anyone that thinks we are even remotely close to phasing out fossil fuels is delusional at best.

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but i was told in the other topic these tariffs would HELP the American Solar Industry...Fuck China, remember guys?
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Mal_Fet posted...

Better than investing billions into solar companies that don't even last a year *coughObama*

Agreed.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dumping_(pricing_policy)
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scar the 1 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Better than investing billions into solar companies that don't even last a year *coughObama*

Do you have anything other than off-topic deflections to offer? If Obama did a bad investment, I suppose that's bad. This is about the tariffs Trump is imposing that are causing tens of thousands of people to lose their jobs. What are your thoughts on this?

That solar is a weak energy source and contributes less than 1% of our electricity generation despite being by far the most well-funded of the "green" energies, so it should lose its govt subsidies immediately.

https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3
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Mal_Fet posted...

scar the 1 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Better than investing billions into solar companies that don't even last a year *coughObama*

Do you have anything other than off-topic deflections to offer? If Obama did a bad investment, I suppose that's bad. This is about the tariffs Trump is imposing that are causing tens of thousands of people to lose their jobs. What are your thoughts on this?

That solar is a weak energy source and contributes less than 1% of our electricity generation despite being by far the most well-funded of the "green" energies, so it should lose its govt subsidies immediately.

https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3

again, you failed to address the question that was asked of you, this has nothing to do with subsidies and everything to do with new tariffs. please re-read it and try to stay on topic with your response.

edit: or i could interpret that response as mal saying "no, i don't have anything other than off-topic deflections to offer"
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scar the 1 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Better than investing billions into solar companies that don't even last a year *coughObama*

Do you have anything other than off-topic deflections to offer? If Obama did a bad investment, I suppose that's bad. This is about the tariffs Trump is imposing that are causing tens of thousands of people to lose their jobs. What are your thoughts on this?

People almost always bring up the other side's bad choices to deflect from the topic at hand... Especially when people compare Trump to Obama. Obama did as much criminally as Trump has, even what people are calling for Trump to be impeached... Hell, he did worse. Selling weapons to criminals, Hilary sold Uranium to Russia.. Etc.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

scar the 1 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Better than investing billions into solar companies that don't even last a year *coughObama*

Do you have anything other than off-topic deflections to offer? If Obama did a bad investment, I suppose that's bad. This is about the tariffs Trump is imposing that are causing tens of thousands of people to lose their jobs. What are your thoughts on this?

That solar is a weak energy source and contributes less than 1% of our electricity generation despite being by far the most well-funded of the "green" energies, so it should lose its govt subsidies immediately.

https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3

again, you failed to address the question that was asked of you, this has nothing to do with subsidies and everything to do with new tariffs. please re-read it and try to stay on topic with your response.

edit: or i could interpret that response as mal saying "no, i don't have anything other than off-topic deflections to offer"

I thought my response was obvious...I'll make it simpler

Solar is a failing industry, so job loss is inevitable anyway.
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Iwin2013 posted...

scar the 1 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Better than investing billions into solar companies that don't even last a year *coughObama*

Do you have anything other than off-topic deflections to offer? If Obama did a bad investment, I suppose that's bad. This is about the tariffs Trump is imposing that are causing tens of thousands of people to lose their jobs. What are your thoughts on this?

People almost always bring up the other side's bad choices to deflect from the topic at hand... Especially when people compare Trump to Obama. Obama did as much criminally as Trump has, even what people are calling for Trump to be impeached... Hell, he did worse. Selling weapons to criminals, Hilary sold Uranium to Russia.. Etc.

Okay, let's throw Obama in jail then. Would it be okay to discuss Trump's flaws then?
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Mal_Fet posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

scar the 1 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Better than investing billions into solar companies that don't even last a year *coughObama*

Do you have anything other than off-topic deflections to offer? If Obama did a bad investment, I suppose that's bad. This is about the tariffs Trump is imposing that are causing tens of thousands of people to lose their jobs. What are your thoughts on this?

That solar is a weak energy source and contributes less than 1% of our electricity generation despite being by far the most well-funded of the "green" energies, so it should lose its govt subsidies immediately.

https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3

again, you failed to address the question that was asked of you, this has nothing to do with subsidies and everything to do with new tariffs. please re-read it and try to stay on topic with your response.

edit: or i could interpret that response as mal saying "no, i don't have anything other than off-topic deflections to offer"

I thought my response was obvious...I'll make it simpler

Solar is a failing industry, so job loss is inevitable anyway.

so you think the government has a right to determine which industries are "failing" and should impose tariffs on said "failing" industries to accelerate their failure? why not let the free market decide that? how come you hate government intervention in the market in almost all instances, but this intervention is fine, IYO?
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

so you think the government has a right to determine which industries are "failing" and should impose tariffs on said "failing" industries to promote their failure? why not let the free market decide that?

If you're asking if I like tariffs as a general rule, no I don't. But the idea that Trump's tariff will negatively affect US solar jobs is wrong. The "NOW1SOLAR" account on Twitter doesn't give any sources for their slew of tweets, but they appear to be referring to solar jobs globally. The only info I can find regarding US solar companies is if these tariffs will be enough to save them.

https://www.bizjournals.com/portland/news/2018/01/22/trump-oks-solar-tariffs-in-partial-victory-for.html

As I already told you, solar is a dying industry. The tariffs will serve to show whether the industry in America is failing because of international competition, or because solar just isn't profitable. My money is on the latter.
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Mal_Fet posted...

But the idea that Trump's tariff will negatively affect US solar jobs is wrong

solar installation employs more americans than solar manufacturing. a rise in the cost of panels will reduce american labor to install new panels.
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Mal_Fet posted...

If you're asking if I like tariffs as a general rule, no I don't.

"But, I mean....if I get to spite liberals, fuck my convictions! MAGA!"
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Unless all of these companies that are being negatively affected by this are just reselling cheap Chinese panels (in which case, fuck 'em), tariffs should be helping to make their jobs more secure, not less.

And guess what? The EU is doing the exact same thing to protect their local manufacturers from the Chinese dumping their panels, and I don't see anyone here bitching about that.
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Mal_Fet posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

scar the 1 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Better than investing billions into solar companies that don't even last a year *coughObama*

Do you have anything other than off-topic deflections to offer? If Obama did a bad investment, I suppose that's bad. This is about the tariffs Trump is imposing that are causing tens of thousands of people to lose their jobs. What are your thoughts on this?

That solar is a weak energy source and contributes less than 1% of our electricity generation despite being by far the most well-funded of the "green" energies, so it should lose its govt subsidies immediately.

https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3

again, you failed to address the question that was asked of you, this has nothing to do with subsidies and everything to do with new tariffs. please re-read it and try to stay on topic with your response.

edit: or i could interpret that response as mal saying "no, i don't have anything other than off-topic deflections to offer"

I thought my response was obvious...I'll make it simpler

Solar is a failing industry, so job loss is inevitable anyway.

Wait how is it failing? IIRC the technology has only gotten better.
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Paragon21XX posted...

Unless all of these companies that are being negatively affected by this are just reselling cheap Chinese panels (in which case, fuck 'em), tariffs should be helping to make their jobs more secure, not less.

And guess what? The EU is doing the exact same thing to protect their local manufacturers from the Chinese dumping their panels, and I don't see anyone here bitching about that.

But they're from Europe, so I'm sure they have a well-intentioned and progressive reason for doing that.
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Don't respond to Mal.
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MrPeppers posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

scar the 1 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Better than investing billions into solar companies that don't even last a year *coughObama*

Do you have anything other than off-topic deflections to offer? If Obama did a bad investment, I suppose that's bad. This is about the tariffs Trump is imposing that are causing tens of thousands of people to lose their jobs. What are your thoughts on this?

That solar is a weak energy source and contributes less than 1% of our electricity generation despite being by far the most well-funded of the "green" energies, so it should lose its govt subsidies immediately.

https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3

again, you failed to address the question that was asked of you, this has nothing to do with subsidies and everything to do with new tariffs. please re-read it and try to stay on topic with your response.

edit: or i could interpret that response as mal saying "no, i don't have anything other than off-topic deflections to offer"

I thought my response was obvious...I'll make it simpler

Solar is a failing industry, so job loss is inevitable anyway.

Wait how is it failing? IIRC the technology has only gotten better.

It still only generates ~1% of our electricity and solar companies are dropping like flies.
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Only Mal could think an industry growing all over the world is "dying" XD

Paragon21XX posted...

Unless all of these companies that are being negatively affected by this are just reselling cheap Chinese panels (in which case, fuck 'em), tariffs should be helping to make their jobs more secure, not less.

And guess what? The EU is doing the exact same thing to protect their local manufacturers from the Chinese dumping their panels, and I don't see anyone here bitching about that.

the majority of US jobs in solar are for installing solar panels, not making them at all.

the EU has far fewer fees associated with installation than we do, which is why we have subsidized solar, essentially paying our own fees. solar install in europe is much cheaper than here and was even before the tariff. after, we're probably back to like 2015 prices.
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ThanksUglyGod posted...

Only Mal could think an industry growing all over the world is "dying" XD

If it weren't, companies wouldn't be dying left and right even with billions in subsidies.
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Mal_Fet posted...

If it weren't, companies wouldn't be dying left and right even with billions in subsidies.

which solar companies died in the last year? i'm not particularly warm to solar as an investor but wasn't aware of any
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Darkman124 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

If it weren't, companies wouldn't be dying left and right even with billions in subsidies.

which solar companies died in the last year? i'm not particularly warm to solar as an investor but wasn't aware of any

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/apr/21/us-solar-company-sunedison-files-for-bankruptcy
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Trump doesn't want China dumping products in the United States. This is not only something he campaigned on, this is something he was saying back in the late 1980s. Not specifically with China, but the US having trade agreements that benefit our trade partners more than it benefits us.
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If the hippies can't survive without outsourced labor, fuck them and the birkenstocks they walked in on.
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Such an idiot. What does this man have against the environmemt?
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Mal_Fet posted...

Darkman124 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

If it weren't, companies wouldn't be dying left and right even with billions in subsidies.

which solar companies died in the last year? i'm not particularly warm to solar as an investor but wasn't aware of any

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/apr/21/us-solar-company-sunedison-files-for-bankruptcy

i was aware of SUNE in April 2016, i asked about the last year

it's 2018 in case you've forgotten
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Antifar posted...

Iwin2013 posted...

scar the 1 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Better than investing billions into solar companies that don't even last a year *coughObama*

Do you have anything other than off-topic deflections to offer? If Obama did a bad investment, I suppose that's bad. This is about the tariffs Trump is imposing that are causing tens of thousands of people to lose their jobs. What are your thoughts on this?

People almost always bring up the other side's bad choices to deflect from the topic at hand... Especially when people compare Trump to Obama. Obama did as much criminally as Trump has, even what people are calling for Trump to be impeached... Hell, he did worse. Selling weapons to criminals, Hilary sold Uranium to Russia.. Etc.

Okay, let's throw Obama in jail then. Would it be okay to discuss Trump's flaws then?

Sure. I'm not going to sit here, and say "What flaws does Trump have?", when anyone with eyes can tell that he has flaws. That's what makes him relatable. That's what makes him common even with a shit ton of money, and before you say he doesn't have as much money as he used to have. Fuck off with your liberal "His failed businesses!!!" bullshit. He still has a shit ton of money moreso than you, same with Obama, same with Hilary, same with Bernie "BS" Sanders... Some people here defend Obama and Co. like these individuals make sure that you have food on your table, and your bills are paid. When they could give two shits about any of you, liberals....
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