Current Events > cops murder driver cause they are lazy

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https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/25/us/bijan-ghaisar-us-park-police-shooting-virginia/index.html

a car drove away from an accident and cops chased after. 3 times he stopped, waited for cops to walk up to him, then drove off again. on the third time, they just pulled out their guns and blew him away because they were too tired to keep chasing him. these are the kinds of people america employs to protect the innocent.

Zikten posted...

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/25/us/bijan-ghaisar-us-park-police-shooting-virginia/index.html

a car drove away from an accident and cops chased after. 3 times he stopped, waited for cops to walk up to him, then drove off again. on the third time, they just pulled out their guns and blew him away because they were too tired to keep chasing him. these are the kinds of people america employs to protect the innocent.

You realize that people who flee cops in vehicles usually cause major accidents where other people are seriously hurt or get killed right?

Fuck him.
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Whatever can we do about this horrible epidemic of criminals being shot by police after intentionally fucking with police

I know what I can do to help: sip on some whiskey & iced tea and not care about criminals being shot
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Zikten posted...

3 times he stopped, waited for cops to walk up to him, then drove off again.

Fair, next.

ChromaticAngel posted...

people who flee cops in vehicles usually cause major accidents where other people are seriously hurt or get killed

wouldn't happen if the cops just backed off. sometimes it's in the interest of the public to back off. there was an incident a few years ago in my old home town of Everett Washington where some cops were put on blast for continuing a chase after it got into town (it started on a freeway I think) and an innocent third party ended up being killed cause of the chase. I know you are going to blame the escapee. but in this case, in my town, most people blamed the cops for not just backing off, and then refinding the guy and arresting him later.

Zikten posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

people who flee cops in vehicles usually cause major accidents where other people are seriously hurt or get killed

wouldn't happen if the cops just backed off. sometimes it's in the interest of the public to back off. there was an incident a few years ago in my old home town of Everett Washington where some cops were put on blast for continuing a chase after it got into town (it started on a freeway I think) and an innocent third party ended up being killed cause of the chase. I know you are going to blame the escapee. but in this case, in my town, most people blamed the cops for not just backing off, and then refinding the guy and arresting him later.

You think cops should take more "non lethal" (lmfao) shots to people's arms/legs or use movie kung fu against armed opponents don't you? I'm betting you do.
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VectorChaos posted...

You think cops should take more "non lethal" (lmfao) shots to people's arms/legs or use movie kung fu against armed opponents don't you? I'm betting you do.

as I predicted you don't get it. you just want hardass cops being heroes and taking down the bad guys. but it's not as simple as that. in my town people were pissed at the cops. and I think maybe the cops involved got fired. I am not sure

Zikten posted...

VectorChaos posted...

You think cops should take more "non lethal" (lmfao) shots to people's arms/legs or use movie kung fu against armed opponents don't you? I'm betting you do.

as I predicted you don't get it. you just want hardass cops being heroes and taking down the bad guys. but it's not as simple as that. in my town people were pissed at the cops. and I think maybe the cops involved got fired. I am not sure

So you literally admit you have no idea what you're talking about.
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and you don't know the story I am talking about. I wasn't alone in my feelings. I keep telling you, my town was outraged

Here. Let's play a game where Vector uses his psychic powers to view your stupid future.

Zikten: Just let the guy go. He's only shown that he has no regard for the law or the lives of others. We'll try to catch him later, what could go wrong? Stupid evil cops!

*several crimes later*

Zikten: Why couldn't they do more? How did they allow this to happen? Stupid evil cops!
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nope. they would keep an eye on him. they could follow him with a helicopter and see where he parks his car. and then swarm him later while he is sleeping. look, the point is that someone died, it was a woman I think, that was at a bus stop. people were angry at the cops and like I said I think the cops were fired. so deal with it

Zikten posted...

nope. they would keep an eye on him. they could follow him with a helicopter and see where he parks his car. and then swarm him later while he is sleeping. look, the point is that someone died, it was a woman I think, that was at a bus stop. people were angry at the cops and like I said I think the cops were fired. so deal with it

They were wrong to shoot him. Case law doesn't support lethal force in that situation.

However, just "letting him go" is ridiculous. Spike strip his tires, force him to stop.
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You want to put others at risk to virtue signal that we shouldn't be mean or "too aggressive" to someone actively breaking the law with no regard for the safety of others, from safely in front of your computer where you won't be effected anyways.

Yeah, pretty sure I get it brotato.
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VectorChaos posted...

You want to put others at risk to virtue signal that we shouldn't be mean or "too aggressive" to someone actively breaking the law with no regard for the safety of others, from safely in front of your computer where you won't be effected anyways.

Yeah, pretty sure I get it brotato.

This is essentially the basis for every "omg cops so mean" CE topic.
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Yeah I'll back the blue on this one.

uh no. I lived in that town and I was at risk too. I don't want to die in a car chase when cops take it into downtown. I had an interest in knowing they would change their ways in future chases. and they did. it never happened again. quit acting like you know what I am talking about. you've probably never even set foot in everett washington

you keep ignoring the fact that there was outrage about the case. you want to act like it's just me

Because you're here, posting it. Who should we be responding to?
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you should be responding to me, but you should be understanding that a whole town was pissed off and that cops got fired over it. i think that shows they were in the wrong

There's no indication anyone was in danger here, and it does not sound like they were justified in using lethal force. Still, I wonder what that driver thought he was doing
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I don't understand why spike strips or a taser couldn't be used instead of a gun... but he pulled away 3 fucking times? What did he honestly expect?

Are we talking about the park police shooting or the incident in your town?
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Patchwork posted...

Are we talking about the park police shooting or the incident in your town?

I've been talking about the incident in my old town now.

Zikten posted...

you keep ignoring the fact that there was outrage about the case. you want to act like it's just me

Proof of this...or shut up

In this case the cop said the guy tried to hit a cop. It doesn't seem like that happened. Oh well.. doesn't matter does it. (sarcasm)
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Why are we pretending like shooting the driver was the only option? Was it impossible to pull up his information and meet him at his residence? Can't follow him from the sky? Can't disable the vehicle so he can't flee? Just gotta shoot him because being a cop is too frustrating?
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Hit and run drivers are scum. Whether or not the cops are Justified, it's a good outcome because Society is better off without people like the driver.
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SomeGuyPosting posted...

Zikten posted...

you keep ignoring the fact that there was outrage about the case. you want to act like it's just me

Proof of this...or shut up

http://www.heraldnet.com/news/after-fatalities-sheriff-taps-the-brakes-on-vehicle-chases/

This confirms they literally changed their policy on chases. In this article is a quote of a cop admitting they don't need to chase everyone and that "cops can cause harm"

Shouldn't have sped off then.
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daftpunk_mk5 posted...

Hit and run drivers are scum. Whether or not the cops are Justified, it's a good outcome because Society is better off without people like the driver.

Actually from what I understand, in the original case this topic was made about, the guy killed was the victim of the hit and run not the one that caused it. All parties are supposed to stay at the scene so they chased him. It's like if a robbery victim ran off and then got gunned down cause he wouldn't talk to police

I mean the guy was a moron and potentially dangerous but I don't know if that warrants shooting him dead. It didn't look like he was trying to hit anyone or speed away. And 9 shots? That seems a bit overkill. On the other hand, the situation is kinda iffy all around, especially when it comes to a car and we don't have all the information as far as I know.

daftpunk_mk5 posted...

Hit and run drivers are scum. Whether or not the cops are Justified, it's a good outcome because Society is better off without people like the driver.

He was the one hit.
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Zikten posted...

daftpunk_mk5 posted...

Hit and run drivers are scum. Whether or not the cops are Justified, it's a good outcome because Society is better off without people like the driver.

Actually from what I understand, in the original case this topic was made about, the guy killed was the victim of the hit and run not the one that caused it. All parties are supposed to stay at the scene so they chased him. It's like if a robbery victim ran off and then got gunned down cause he wouldn't talk to police

Oh... What the hell did he do that for >_>
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Hindsight Man says they should have just pulled him over and then parked their cars in front and behind his car so he couldn't drive away.
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daftpunk_mk5 posted...

Zikten posted...

daftpunk_mk5 posted...

Hit and run drivers are scum. Whether or not the cops are Justified, it's a good outcome because Society is better off without people like the driver.

Actually from what I understand, in the original case this topic was made about, the guy killed was the victim of the hit and run not the one that caused it. All parties are supposed to stay at the scene so they chased him. It's like if a robbery victim ran off and then got gunned down cause he wouldn't talk to police

Oh... What the hell did he do that for >_>

Well we have people in this topic arguing that society is better off for cops shooting first and asking questions later. So for whatever reason the dude was doing that, society is at +1 for cops blowing away the victim.
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Zikten posted...

SomeGuyPosting posted...

Zikten posted...

you keep ignoring the fact that there was outrage about the case. you want to act like it's just me

Proof of this...or shut up

http://www.heraldnet.com/news/after-fatalities-sheriff-taps-the-brakes-on-vehicle-chases/

This confirms they literally changed their policy on chases. In this article is a quote of a cop admitting they don't need to chase everyone and that "cops can cause harm"

Ok cool. Dont see anyone being fired. But ya some chases should be stopped if its in a busy part of town. Your original case seems to not be in an extremely busy part of town.

I just find it odd that a victim of a traffic incident would speed away and put the lives of innocent drivers and cops in danger

Zikten posted...

you should be responding to me, but you should be understanding that a whole town was pissed off and that cops got fired over it. i think that shows they were in the wrong

You took a poll, and every citizen of the town completely blamed the cops, and left the criminal completely blameless?
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CableZL posted...

Hindsight Man says they should have just pulled him over and then parked their cars in front and behind his car so he couldn't drive away.

That's what they usually do. Not sure why they didn't here
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The outcome to a crime can always be up for debate. But the act itself isnt in question. The moment you decide to act this way you put someone in danger. Most of all yourself. Its terrible the cops felt the need to fill the car with bullets but this was 100% easily avoided from the get go.
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If you were referring the Bothell police chase around Everett that killed the nurse on Morhers Day and caused changes in policy, those officers didn't get fired. One got suspended, for a few days.
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Zikten posted...

but you should be understanding that a whole town was pissed off and that cops got fired over it. i think that shows they were in the wrong

Well, nobody accused your town of being smart.
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Couldn't the cops have shot out his tires?
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Kineth posted...

Couldn't the cops have shot out his tires?

:/
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Kineth posted...

Couldn't the cops have shot out his tires?

Sarcasm right?

SomeGuyPosting posted...

Kineth posted...

Couldn't the cops have shot out his tires?

Sarcasm right?

If they can walk up to the guy and shoot him in the face then why couldn't they have done that?
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A_Good_Boy posted...

SomeGuyPosting posted...

Kineth posted...

Couldn't the cops have shot out his tires?

Sarcasm right?

If they can walk up to the guy and shoot him in the face then why couldn't they have done that?

Holy shit.

Hahahahaha
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Zikten posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

people who flee cops in vehicles usually cause major accidents where other people are seriously hurt or get killed

wouldn't happen if the cops just backed off. sometimes it's in the interest of the public to back off. there was an incident a few years ago in my old home town of Everett Washington where some cops were put on blast for continuing a chase after it got into town (it started on a freeway I think) and an innocent third party ended up being killed cause of the chase. I know you are going to blame the escapee. but in this case, in my town, most people blamed the cops for not just backing off, and then refinding the guy and arresting him later.

So this is where we are now? We should let criminals go because they might get hurt if we don't?
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or hurt 3rd parties.

Zikten posted...

or hurt 3rd parties.

And God knows someone actively breaking the law and showing no regard for the safety of others will suddenly stop out of the goodness of his heart if the cops give up the chase.
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