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dave_is_slick 02/01/18 1:11:58 AM #101:	LordRazziel posted... ScazarMeltex posted... LordRazziel posted... While it's fucked up that they tried to force the treatment on her and denied abortions, even in the case of rape, I see nothing wrong with an abortion reversal treatment. Just because there isn't evidence that it works, doesn't mean it doesn't. I didn't see them say anything about the treatment being harmful, so I see nothing wrong with reaserching it. To all the people freaking out about human testing, every medical treatment requires human testing. Generally they are volunteers you fucking monster. Also, while still horrible, they weren't using her for an experiment. It was their warped sense of morality. Bullshit, get your fucking head out of the sand. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:895223378] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ScazarMeltex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>While it's fucked up that they tried to force the treatment on her and denied abortions, even in the case of rape, I see nothing wrong with an abortion reversal treatment. Just because there isn't evidence that it works, doesn't mean it doesn't. I didn't see them say anything about the treatment being harmful, so I see nothing wrong with reaserching it. To all the people freaking out about human testing, every medical treatment requires human testing.</quote> Generally they are volunteers you fucking monster.</quote> Also, while still horrible, they weren't using her for an experiment. It was their warped sense of morality.</quote> Bullshit, get your fucking head out of the sand.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 02/01/18 1:13:38 AM #102:	LordRazziel posted... ScazarMeltex posted... LordRazziel posted... While it's fucked up that they tried to force the treatment on her and denied abortions, even in the case of rape, I see nothing wrong with an abortion reversal treatment. Just because there isn't evidence that it works, doesn't mean it doesn't. I didn't see them say anything about the treatment being harmful, so I see nothing wrong with reaserching it. To all the people freaking out about human testing, every medical treatment requires human testing. Generally they are volunteers you fucking monster. Also, while still horrible, they weren't using her for an experiment. It was their warped sense of morality. Bullshit, get your fucking head out of the sand.COVxy posted... What a clusterfuck of misunderstanding on this second page. Better not actually do anything to actually make the misunderstanding an understanding! --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:895223450] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ScazarMeltex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>While it's fucked up that they tried to force the treatment on her and denied abortions, even in the case of rape, I see nothing wrong with an abortion reversal treatment. Just because there isn't evidence that it works, doesn't mean it doesn't. I didn't see them say anything about the treatment being harmful, so I see nothing wrong with reaserching it. To all the people freaking out about human testing, every medical treatment requires human testing.</quote> Generally they are volunteers you fucking monster.</quote> Also, while still horrible, they weren't using her for an experiment. It was their warped sense of morality.</quote> Bullshit, get your fucking head out of the sand.<cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>What a clusterfuck of misunderstanding on this second page.</quote> Better not actually do anything to actually make the misunderstanding an understanding!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Junkratprime03 02/01/18 1:08:48 PM #103:	But guys, I got $200.00 more on my paycheck! Keeping these guys in power is totally worth it. --- I stuck my finger in the honey, Threw my FIRE IN THE HOLE And when I made my wish, You know it was clear as a bell <cite>Junkratprime03 posted [p:895249715] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote>But guys, I got $200.00 more on my paycheck! Keeping these guys in power is totally worth it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 02/01/18 1:23:06 PM #104:	dave_is_slick posted... Better not actually do anything to actually make the misunderstanding an understanding! I mean, all it takes is going back and re reading his posts. It seems pretty clear to me that this poster finds this story morally offensive, but also wanted to add that the actual development of this type of medication wouldn't be morally offensive to him. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:895250650] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote><cite>dave_is_slick posted...</cite> <quote>Better not actually do anything to actually make the misunderstanding an understanding! </quote> I mean, all it takes is going back and re reading his posts. It seems pretty clear to me that this poster finds this story morally offensive, but also wanted to add that the actual development of this type of medication wouldn't be morally offensive to him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TrojanPony 02/01/18 1:23:27 PM #105:	So what the fuck is a reverse abortion? The fact nobody is answering that is making me think this is completely made-up. --- "GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site." - CJayC <cite>TrojanPony posted [p:895250672] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote>So what the fuck is a reverse abortion? The fact nobody is answering that is making me think this is completely made-up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Resolution 02/01/18 1:29:59 PM #106:	Surprised the usual chimps aren't in here defending this --- "I eat p****** like you in the pit every show I go to" - ZombiePelican <cite>Resolution posted [p:895251094] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote>Surprised the usual chimps aren't in here defending this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightHawKnight 02/01/18 1:31:32 PM #107:	TrojanPony posted... So what the fuck is a reverse abortion? The fact nobody is answering that is making me think this is completely made-up. 4th post. smoliske posted... Foppe posted... Reverse abortion is what? Sex? A treatment to reverse the effects of the "abortion pills", known as mifepristone and misoprostol --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." <cite>LightHawKnight posted [p:895251194] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote><cite>TrojanPony posted...</cite> <quote>So what the fuck is a reverse abortion? The fact nobody is answering that is making me think this is completely made-up.</quote> 4th post. <cite>smoliske posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Foppe posted...</cite> <quote>Reverse abortion is what? Sex?</quote> A treatment to reverse the effects of the "abortion pills", known as mifepristone and misoprostol</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BLAKUboy 02/01/18 1:31:54 PM #108:	Resolution posted... Surprised the usual chimps aren't in here defending this They stay away from any topic they know is indefensible. --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera http://signavatar.com/26999_s.png <cite>BLAKUboy posted [p:895251219] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote><cite>Resolution posted...</cite> <quote>Surprised the usual chimps aren't in here defending this</quote> They stay away from any topic they know is indefensible.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 02/01/18 1:35:09 PM #109:	so correct me if I got this wrong reverse abortion is the mother takes baby poison and they inject into her body baby antidote before the poison kills the baby? even if it works, I would think the baby is already damaged --- chill02 to me: you are beautiful <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:895251458] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote>so correct me if I got this wrong reverse abortion is the mother takes baby poison and they inject into her body baby antidote before the poison kills the baby? even if it works, I would think the baby is already damaged</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 02/01/18 1:36:36 PM #110:	I don't even understand why they would do this They want an extra illegal baby for what? So they can deport it in 20 years after its lived its whole life here? --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:895251566] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote>I don't even understand why they would do this They want an extra illegal baby for what? So they can deport it in 20 years after its lived its whole life here?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordRazziel 02/01/18 1:38:25 PM #111:	darkphoenix181 posted... so correct me if I got this wrong reverse abortion is the mother takes baby poison and they inject into her body baby antidote before the poison kills the baby? even if it works, I would think the baby is already damaged Could be. If clinical trials show that is true, they should not approve the treatment. --- http://i.imgur.com/8pzUM.gif http://i.imgur.com/Oh1iujg.gif The only bad part about flying is having to come back down to the f***in' world ~Rat <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:895251681] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>so correct me if I got this wrong reverse abortion is the mother takes baby poison and they inject into her body baby antidote before the poison kills the baby? even if it works, I would think the baby is already damaged</quote> Could be. If clinical trials show that is true, they should not approve the treatment.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 02/01/18 1:40:22 PM #112:	LordRazziel posted... If clinical trials show that is true and how are they going to get clinical trials? women who are aborting aren't going to rush to the clinic to stop the abortion women with a healthy baby they want to keep aren't going to want to take abortion drugs and then test if this works --- chill02 to me: you are beautiful <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:895251795] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>If clinical trials show that is true</quote> and how are they going to get clinical trials? women who are aborting aren't going to rush to the clinic to stop the abortion women with a healthy baby they want to keep aren't going to want to take abortion drugs and then test if this works</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Third_Eye 02/01/18 1:40:57 PM #113:	more proof of how mentally ill this side is --- Gen 1 is the only good Pokemon generation <cite>Third_Eye posted [p:895251834] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote>more proof of how mentally ill this side is</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 02/01/18 1:42:27 PM #114:	darkphoenix181 posted... LordRazziel posted... If clinical trials show that is true and how are they going to get clinical trials? women who are aborting aren't going to rush to the clinic to stop the abortion women with a healthy baby they want to keep aren't going to want to take abortion drugs and then test if this works Which would be why they want to try it on a girl they feel has no rights --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:895251933] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>If clinical trials show that is true</quote> and how are they going to get clinical trials? women who are aborting aren't going to rush to the clinic to stop the abortion women with a healthy baby they want to keep aren't going to want to take abortion drugs and then test if this works</quote> Which would be why they want to try it on a girl they feel has no rights</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrisbeeDude 02/01/18 1:43:25 PM #115:	https://goo.gl/images/23Qd9J --- alt-right is not synonymous with "white supremacist" or "neo-Nazi,"- The Admiral <cite>FrisbeeDude posted [p:895251983] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote>https://goo.gl/images/23Qd9J</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordRazziel 02/01/18 1:43:25 PM #116:	COVxy posted... dave_is_slick posted... Better not actually do anything to actually make the misunderstanding an understanding! I mean, all it takes is going back and re reading his posts. It seems pretty clear to me that this poster finds this story morally offensive, but also wanted to add that the actual development of this type of medication wouldn't be morally offensive to him. Thank you for actually considering what I said. For you and the other people who had my back. Bill Murray thinks... --- http://i.imgur.com/8pzUM.gif http://i.imgur.com/Oh1iujg.gif The only bad part about flying is having to come back down to the f***in' world ~Rat <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:895251984] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>dave_is_slick posted...</cite> <quote>Better not actually do anything to actually make the misunderstanding an understanding! </quote> I mean, all it takes is going back and re reading his posts. It seems pretty clear to me that this poster finds this story morally offensive, but also wanted to add that the actual development of this type of medication wouldn't be morally offensive to him.</quote> Thank you for actually considering what I said. For you and the other people who had my back. Bill Murray thinks... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 02/01/18 1:46:09 PM #117:	COVxy posted... It seems pretty clear to me that this poster finds this story morally offensive, but also wanted to add that the actual development of this type of medication wouldn't be morally offensive to him. To the tc, what use would this medicine be? Women who take abortion drugs aren't going to all the sudden change their minds. So the only use this drug would have is to find a women who just took an abortion drug and arrest her and administer this to her. What other use would this drug be? --- chill02 to me: you are beautiful <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:895252135] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote> It seems pretty clear to me that this poster finds this story morally offensive, but also wanted to add that the actual development of this type of medication wouldn't be morally offensive to him.</quote> To the tc, what use would this medicine be? Women who take abortion drugs aren't going to all the sudden change their minds. So the only use this drug would have is to find a women who just took an abortion drug and arrest her and administer this to her. What other use would this drug be?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VectorChaos 02/01/18 1:47:15 PM #118:	Sooo... Necromancy? --- PSN VectorChaos http://i.imgur.com/ftMERkZ.jpg XBL Vector Chaos http://i.imgur.com/10hWZ95.png http://i.imgur.com/MZMOLx0.jpg http://i.imgur.com/R2jRl8F.jpg <cite>VectorChaos posted [p:895252195] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote>Sooo... Necromancy?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordRazziel 02/01/18 1:47:36 PM #119:	darkphoenix181 posted... LordRazziel posted... If clinical trials show that is true and how are they going to get clinical trials? women who are aborting aren't going to rush to the clinic to stop the abortion women with a healthy baby they want to keep aren't going to want to take abortion drugs and then test if this works You take 2 pills 2 days apart. When a patient takes the pill, you inform them there is a trial medicine that may be able to reverse the abortion, should they chose to. You inform them of any risks that may be involved. --- http://i.imgur.com/8pzUM.gif http://i.imgur.com/Oh1iujg.gif The only bad part about flying is having to come back down to the f***in' world ~Rat <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:895252211] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>If clinical trials show that is true</quote> and how are they going to get clinical trials? women who are aborting aren't going to rush to the clinic to stop the abortion women with a healthy baby they want to keep aren't going to want to take abortion drugs and then test if this works</quote> You take 2 pills 2 days apart. When a patient takes the pill, you inform them there is a trial medicine that may be able to reverse the abortion, should they chose to. You inform them of any risks that may be involved.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/01/18 1:47:51 PM #120:	This is sick. --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895252228] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote>This is sick.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/01/18 1:48:49 PM #121:	LordRazziel posted... darkphoenix181 posted... LordRazziel posted... If clinical trials show that is true and how are they going to get clinical trials? women who are aborting aren't going to rush to the clinic to stop the abortion women with a healthy baby they want to keep aren't going to want to take abortion drugs and then test if this works You take 2 pills 2 days apart. When a patient takes the pill, you inform them there is a trial medicine that may be able to reverse the abortion, should they chose to. You inform them of any risks that may be involved. No one getting abortefacient pills is going to also want to take reversal pills. You would just not take any pills. Abortion pills are not a fun time --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895252289] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>If clinical trials show that is true</quote> and how are they going to get clinical trials? women who are aborting aren't going to rush to the clinic to stop the abortion women with a healthy baby they want to keep aren't going to want to take abortion drugs and then test if this works</quote> You take 2 pills 2 days apart. When a patient takes the pill, you inform them there is a trial medicine that may be able to reverse the abortion, should they chose to. You inform them of any risks that may be involved.</quote> No one getting abortefacient pills is going to also want to take reversal pills. You would just not take any pills. Abortion pills are not a fun time</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordRazziel 02/01/18 1:54:22 PM #122:	Doctor Foxx posted... LordRazziel posted... darkphoenix181 posted... LordRazziel posted... If clinical trials show that is true and how are they going to get clinical trials? women who are aborting aren't going to rush to the clinic to stop the abortion women with a healthy baby they want to keep aren't going to want to take abortion drugs and then test if this works You take 2 pills 2 days apart. When a patient takes the pill, you inform them there is a trial medicine that may be able to reverse the abortion, should they chose to. You inform them of any risks that may be involved. No one getting abortefacent pills is going to also want to take reversal pills. You would just not take any pills. Abortion pills are not a fun time Sure, most of the time they will not change their mind, but to say it would never happen completely disregards human nature. --- http://i.imgur.com/8pzUM.gif http://i.imgur.com/Oh1iujg.gif The only bad part about flying is having to come back down to the f***in' world ~Rat <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:895252622] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>If clinical trials show that is true</quote> and how are they going to get clinical trials? women who are aborting aren't going to rush to the clinic to stop the abortion women with a healthy baby they want to keep aren't going to want to take abortion drugs and then test if this works</quote> You take 2 pills 2 days apart. When a patient takes the pill, you inform them there is a trial medicine that may be able to reverse the abortion, should they chose to. You inform them of any risks that may be involved.</quote> No one getting abortefacent pills is going to also want to take reversal pills. You would just not take any pills. Abortion pills are not a fun time</quote> Sure, most of the time they will not change their mind, but to say it would never happen completely disregards human nature.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ledbowman 02/01/18 1:58:19 PM #123:	shockthemonkey posted... Yikes, this is definitely some Mengele shit. --- I wish we all waved <cite>ledbowman posted [p:895252879] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>Yikes, this is definitely some Mengele shit.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 02/01/18 2:05:23 PM #124:	LordRazziel posted... Doctor Foxx posted... LordRazziel posted... darkphoenix181 posted... LordRazziel posted... If clinical trials show that is true and how are they going to get clinical trials? women who are aborting aren't going to rush to the clinic to stop the abortion women with a healthy baby they want to keep aren't going to want to take abortion drugs and then test if this works You take 2 pills 2 days apart. When a patient takes the pill, you inform them there is a trial medicine that may be able to reverse the abortion, should they chose to. You inform them of any risks that may be involved. No one getting abortefacent pills is going to also want to take reversal pills. You would just not take any pills. Abortion pills are not a fun time Sure, most of the time they will not change their mind, but to say it would never happen completely disregards human nature. Fantastic There is a new republican motto in here somewhere You have to live with the consequences of your choices except when you change your mind about wanting an abortion. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:895253308] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>If clinical trials show that is true</quote> and how are they going to get clinical trials? women who are aborting aren't going to rush to the clinic to stop the abortion women with a healthy baby they want to keep aren't going to want to take abortion drugs and then test if this works</quote> You take 2 pills 2 days apart. When a patient takes the pill, you inform them there is a trial medicine that may be able to reverse the abortion, should they chose to. You inform them of any risks that may be involved.</quote> No one getting abortefacent pills is going to also want to take reversal pills. You would just not take any pills. Abortion pills are not a fun time</quote> Sure, most of the time they will not change their mind, but to say it would never happen completely disregards human nature.</quote> Fantastic There is a new republican motto in here somewhere You have to live with the consequences of your choices except when you change your mind about wanting an abortion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SkittyOnWailord 02/01/18 2:10:04 PM #125:	Darklit_Minuet posted... Bring the fetus back to life and reimplant it in the poor teen I read a manga about that. >_> --- I'm here! I'm furry! I'll try not to shed! =^_^= i7 5820K\|Rampage V Extreme\|32GB DDR4 Ripjaws 4\|2xSLI GTX 980ti Lightning LE\|HAF 932\|Sony 55inch 4K HDR\|HTC Vive <cite>SkittyOnWailord posted [p:895253613] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote>Bring the fetus back to life and reimplant it in the poor teen</quote> I read a manga about that. >_></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr_Biscuit 02/01/18 2:11:21 PM #126:	littlebro07 posted... "We're totally not Nazis guys...Oh there were some good people on the neo-Nazi side, also we're doing some fucked up experiment on a minority. Did I mention that we're totally not Nazis?" Lugenpresse!! Oh, sorry, I meant FAKE NEWS!!! --- https://www.bigplay.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/img_6703.jpg <cite>Mr_Biscuit posted [p:895253689] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote><cite>littlebro07 posted...</cite> <quote>"We're totally not Nazis guys...Oh there were some good people on the neo-Nazi side, also we're doing some fucked up experiment on a minority. Did I mention that we're totally not Nazis?"</quote> Lugenpresse!! Oh, sorry, I meant FAKE NEWS!!!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/01/18 2:12:40 PM #127:	LordRazziel posted... Doctor Foxx posted... LordRazziel posted... darkphoenix181 posted... LordRazziel posted... If clinical trials show that is true and how are they going to get clinical trials? women who are aborting aren't going to rush to the clinic to stop the abortion women with a healthy baby they want to keep aren't going to want to take abortion drugs and then test if this works You take 2 pills 2 days apart. When a patient takes the pill, you inform them there is a trial medicine that may be able to reverse the abortion, should they chose to. You inform them of any risks that may be involved. No one getting abortefacent pills is going to also want to take reversal pills. You would just not take any pills. Abortion pills are not a fun time Sure, most of the time they will not change their mind, but to say it would never happen completely disregards human nature. You would just not take the pill. You don't get the pill without having to sit down with doctors trying to guilt you into carrying to term. In many cases seeing an ultrasound and having a mandatory waiting period. After all that and the painful abortion pill effects people are going to willingly take pills to reverse it? If they choose to sure but that has to only be a choice and I will tell you that choice is not going to be one most, if any, even consider And no government should have the right to forcibly test this on anyone --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895253764] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>If clinical trials show that is true</quote> and how are they going to get clinical trials? women who are aborting aren't going to rush to the clinic to stop the abortion women with a healthy baby they want to keep aren't going to want to take abortion drugs and then test if this works</quote> You take 2 pills 2 days apart. When a patient takes the pill, you inform them there is a trial medicine that may be able to reverse the abortion, should they chose to. You inform them of any risks that may be involved.</quote> No one getting abortefacent pills is going to also want to take reversal pills. You would just not take any pills. Abortion pills are not a fun time</quote> Sure, most of the time they will not change their mind, but to say it would never happen completely disregards human nature.</quote> You would just not take the pill. You don't get the pill without having to sit down with doctors trying to guilt you into carrying to term. In many cases seeing an ultrasound and having a mandatory waiting period. After all that and the painful abortion pill effects people are going to willingly take pills to reverse it? If they choose to sure but that has to only be a choice and I will tell you that choice is not going to be one most, if any, even consider And no government should have the right to forcibly test this on anyone</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordRazziel 02/01/18 2:14:44 PM #128:	Tyranthraxus posted... LordRazziel posted... Doctor Foxx posted... LordRazziel posted... darkphoenix181 posted... LordRazziel posted... If clinical trials show that is true and how are they going to get clinical trials? women who are aborting aren't going to rush to the clinic to stop the abortion women with a healthy baby they want to keep aren't going to want to take abortion drugs and then test if this works You take 2 pills 2 days apart. When a patient takes the pill, you inform them there is a trial medicine that may be able to reverse the abortion, should they chose to. You inform them of any risks that may be involved. No one getting abortefacent pills is going to also want to take reversal pills. You would just not take any pills. Abortion pills are not a fun time Sure, most of the time they will not change their mind, but to say it would never happen completely disregards human nature. Fantastic There is a new republican motto in here somewhere You have to live with the consequences of your choices except when you change your mind about wanting an abortion. So what if there is flawed thinking by some republicans?(I'm not one) What does that have to do with the efficacy or mortality of the treatment? --- http://i.imgur.com/8pzUM.gif http://i.imgur.com/Oh1iujg.gif The only bad part about flying is having to come back down to the f***in' world ~Rat <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:895253868] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>If clinical trials show that is true</quote> and how are they going to get clinical trials? women who are aborting aren't going to rush to the clinic to stop the abortion women with a healthy baby they want to keep aren't going to want to take abortion drugs and then test if this works</quote> You take 2 pills 2 days apart. When a patient takes the pill, you inform them there is a trial medicine that may be able to reverse the abortion, should they chose to. You inform them of any risks that may be involved.</quote> No one getting abortefacent pills is going to also want to take reversal pills. You would just not take any pills. Abortion pills are not a fun time</quote> Sure, most of the time they will not change their mind, but to say it would never happen completely disregards human nature.</quote> Fantastic There is a new republican motto in here somewhere You have to live with the consequences of your choices except when you change your mind about wanting an abortion.</quote> So what if there is flawed thinking by some republicans?(I'm not one) What does that have to do with the efficacy or mortality of the treatment?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordRazziel 02/01/18 2:16:28 PM #129:	Doctor Foxx posted... LordRazziel posted... Doctor Foxx posted... LordRazziel posted... darkphoenix181 posted... LordRazziel posted... If clinical trials show that is true and how are they going to get clinical trials? women who are aborting aren't going to rush to the clinic to stop the abortion women with a healthy baby they want to keep aren't going to want to take abortion drugs and then test if this works You take 2 pills 2 days apart. When a patient takes the pill, you inform them there is a trial medicine that may be able to reverse the abortion, should they chose to. You inform them of any risks that may be involved. No one getting abortefacent pills is going to also want to take reversal pills. You would just not take any pills. Abortion pills are not a fun time Sure, most of the time they will not change their mind, but to say it would never happen completely disregards human nature. You would just not take the pill. You don't get the pill without having to sit down with doctors trying to guilt you into carrying to term. In many cases seeing an ultrasound and having a mandatory waiting period. After all that and the painful abortion pill effects people are going to willingly take pills to reverse it? If they choose to sure but that has to only be a choice and I will tell you that choice is not going to be one most, if any, even consider I disagree. --- http://i.imgur.com/8pzUM.gif http://i.imgur.com/Oh1iujg.gif The only bad part about flying is having to come back down to the f***in' world ~Rat <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:895253972] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>If clinical trials show that is true</quote> and how are they going to get clinical trials? women who are aborting aren't going to rush to the clinic to stop the abortion women with a healthy baby they want to keep aren't going to want to take abortion drugs and then test if this works</quote> You take 2 pills 2 days apart. When a patient takes the pill, you inform them there is a trial medicine that may be able to reverse the abortion, should they chose to. You inform them of any risks that may be involved.</quote> No one getting abortefacent pills is going to also want to take reversal pills. You would just not take any pills. Abortion pills are not a fun time</quote> Sure, most of the time they will not change their mind, but to say it would never happen completely disregards human nature.</quote> You would just not take the pill. You don't get the pill without having to sit down with doctors trying to guilt you into carrying to term. In many cases seeing an ultrasound and having a mandatory waiting period. After all that and the painful abortion pill effects people are going to willingly take pills to reverse it? If they choose to sure but that has to only be a choice and I will tell you that choice is not going to be one most, if any, even consider</quote> I disagree.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/01/18 2:18:50 PM #130:	LordRazziel posted... Doctor Foxx posted... LordRazziel posted... Doctor Foxx posted... LordRazziel posted... darkphoenix181 posted... LordRazziel posted... If clinical trials show that is true and how are they going to get clinical trials? women who are aborting aren't going to rush to the clinic to stop the abortion women with a healthy baby they want to keep aren't going to want to take abortion drugs and then test if this works You take 2 pills 2 days apart. When a patient takes the pill, you inform them there is a trial medicine that may be able to reverse the abortion, should they chose to. You inform them of any risks that may be involved. No one getting abortefacent pills is going to also want to take reversal pills. You would just not take any pills. Abortion pills are not a fun time Sure, most of the time they will not change their mind, but to say it would never happen completely disregards human nature. You would just not take the pill. You don't get the pill without having to sit down with doctors trying to guilt you into carrying to term. In many cases seeing an ultrasound and having a mandatory waiting period. After all that and the painful abortion pill effects people are going to willingly take pills to reverse it? If they choose to sure but that has to only be a choice and I will tell you that choice is not going to be one most, if any, even consider I disagree. Can you personally get an abortion? --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895254127] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>If clinical trials show that is true</quote> and how are they going to get clinical trials? women who are aborting aren't going to rush to the clinic to stop the abortion women with a healthy baby they want to keep aren't going to want to take abortion drugs and then test if this works</quote> You take 2 pills 2 days apart. When a patient takes the pill, you inform them there is a trial medicine that may be able to reverse the abortion, should they chose to. You inform them of any risks that may be involved.</quote> No one getting abortefacent pills is going to also want to take reversal pills. You would just not take any pills. Abortion pills are not a fun time</quote> Sure, most of the time they will not change their mind, but to say it would never happen completely disregards human nature.</quote> You would just not take the pill. You don't get the pill without having to sit down with doctors trying to guilt you into carrying to term. In many cases seeing an ultrasound and having a mandatory waiting period. After all that and the painful abortion pill effects people are going to willingly take pills to reverse it? If they choose to sure but that has to only be a choice and I will tell you that choice is not going to be one most, if any, even consider</quote> I disagree.</quote> Can you personally get an abortion?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordRazziel 02/01/18 2:29:42 PM #131:	@Doctor_Foxx No, so can't truly understand what it's like to be in that position. The complexity of human nature and emotion dictates that people will change their mind. Women have gone to look for children they gave up to adoption, so why couldn't they change their mind about an abortion? --- http://i.imgur.com/8pzUM.gif http://i.imgur.com/Oh1iujg.gif The only bad part about flying is having to come back down to the f***in' world ~Rat <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:895254813] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote>@Doctor_Foxx No, so can't truly understand what it's like to be in that position. The complexity of human nature and emotion dictates that people will change their mind. Women have gone to look for children they gave up to adoption, so why couldn't they change their mind about an abortion?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Deadpool_18 02/01/18 2:40:21 PM #133:	The fuck --- We're whalers on the moon, we carry a harpoon, but there ain't no whales, so we tell tall tales, and sing our whaling tune. <cite>Deadpool_18 posted [p:895255540] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote>The fuck</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/01/18 2:45:49 PM #134:	LordRazziel posted... @Doctor_Foxx No, so can't truly understand what it's like to be in that position. The complexity of human nature and emotion dictates that people will change their mind. Women have gone to look for children they gave up to adoption, so why couldn't they change their mind about an abortion? The abortion pill works shortly. Within days it's done. She'd have to reverse the pill within hours or a day. Yes women look for their children years later. You know why? Many were forced to give them up for adoption. Again removing autonomy. I know this because it happened to both of my parents. They were both put up for adoption because of families of their mothers. It's in no way comparable. It's a reversal only possible in a tiny timeframe. --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895255872] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>@Doctor_Foxx No, so can't truly understand what it's like to be in that position. The complexity of human nature and emotion dictates that people will change their mind. Women have gone to look for children they gave up to adoption, so why couldn't they change their mind about an abortion?</quote> The abortion pill works shortly. Within days it's done. She'd have to reverse the pill within hours or a day. Yes women look for their children years later. You know why? Many were forced to give them up for adoption. Again removing autonomy. I know this because it happened to both of my parents. They were both put up for adoption because of families of their mothers. It's in no way comparable. It's a reversal only possible in a tiny timeframe.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordRazziel 02/01/18 2:53:01 PM #135:	Doctor Foxx posted... LordRazziel posted... @Doctor_Foxx No, so can't truly understand what it's like to be in that position. The complexity of human nature and emotion dictates that people will change their mind. Women have gone to look for children they gave up to adoption, so why couldn't they change their mind about an abortion? The abortion pill works shortly. She's have to reverse the pill within hours or a day. Yes women look for their children years later. You know why? Many were forced to give them up for adoption. Again removing autonomy. I know this because it happened to both of my parents. It's in no way comparable. It's a reversal only possible in a tiny timeframe. I don't disagree with that. Even if it's a low percentage, with all the women that will ever have an abortion, it's safe to say it will happen many times. I don't see what's wrong with giving them options. --- http://i.imgur.com/8pzUM.gif http://i.imgur.com/Oh1iujg.gif The only bad part about flying is having to come back down to the f***in' world ~Rat <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:895256305] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>@Doctor_Foxx No, so can't truly understand what it's like to be in that position. The complexity of human nature and emotion dictates that people will change their mind. Women have gone to look for children they gave up to adoption, so why couldn't they change their mind about an abortion?</quote> The abortion pill works shortly. She's have to reverse the pill within hours or a day. Yes women look for their children years later. You know why? Many were forced to give them up for adoption. Again removing autonomy. I know this because it happened to both of my parents. It's in no way comparable. It's a reversal only possible in a tiny timeframe.</quote> I don't disagree with that. Even if it's a low percentage, with all the women that will ever have an abortion, it's safe to say it will happen many times. I don't see what's wrong with giving them options.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/01/18 2:54:40 PM #136:	LordRazziel posted... Doctor Foxx posted... LordRazziel posted... @Doctor_Foxx No, so can't truly understand what it's like to be in that position. The complexity of human nature and emotion dictates that people will change their mind. Women have gone to look for children they gave up to adoption, so why couldn't they change their mind about an abortion? The abortion pill works shortly. She's have to reverse the pill within hours or a day. Yes women look for their children years later. You know why? Many were forced to give them up for adoption. Again removing autonomy. I know this because it happened to both of my parents. It's in no way comparable. It's a reversal only possible in a tiny timeframe. I don't disagree with that. Even if it's a low percentage, with all the women that will ever have an abortion, it's safe to say it will happen many times. I don't see what's wrong with giving them options. Give them an option if you must, however, this is about forcing a teen that had an abortion to undergo an untested procedure specifically to reverse an abortion and that is full on uncompromising in being wrong. That's not a choice. That's forced medical experimentation. --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895256420] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>@Doctor_Foxx No, so can't truly understand what it's like to be in that position. The complexity of human nature and emotion dictates that people will change their mind. Women have gone to look for children they gave up to adoption, so why couldn't they change their mind about an abortion?</quote> The abortion pill works shortly. She's have to reverse the pill within hours or a day. Yes women look for their children years later. You know why? Many were forced to give them up for adoption. Again removing autonomy. I know this because it happened to both of my parents. It's in no way comparable. It's a reversal only possible in a tiny timeframe.</quote> I don't disagree with that. Even if it's a low percentage, with all the women that will ever have an abortion, it's safe to say it will happen many times. I don't see what's wrong with giving them options.</quote> Give them an option if you must, however, this is about forcing a teen that had an abortion to undergo an untested procedure specifically to reverse an abortion and that is full on uncompromising in being wrong. That's not a choice. That's forced medical experimentation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordRazziel 02/01/18 2:56:15 PM #137:	Doctor Foxx posted... LordRazziel posted... Doctor Foxx posted... LordRazziel posted... @Doctor_Foxx No, so can't truly understand what it's like to be in that position. The complexity of human nature and emotion dictates that people will change their mind. Women have gone to look for children they gave up to adoption, so why couldn't they change their mind about an abortion? The abortion pill works shortly. She's have to reverse the pill within hours or a day. Yes women look for their children years later. You know why? Many were forced to give them up for adoption. Again removing autonomy. I know this because it happened to both of my parents. It's in no way comparable. It's a reversal only possible in a tiny timeframe. I don't disagree with that. Even if it's a low percentage, with all the women that will ever have an abortion, it's safe to say it will happen many times. I don't see what's wrong with giving them options. Give them an option if you must, however, this is about forcing a teen that had an abortion to undergo an untested procedure and that is full on uncompromising in being wrong You must not have read all my posts. --- http://i.imgur.com/8pzUM.gif http://i.imgur.com/Oh1iujg.gif The only bad part about flying is having to come back down to the f***in' world ~Rat <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:895256517] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>@Doctor_Foxx No, so can't truly understand what it's like to be in that position. The complexity of human nature and emotion dictates that people will change their mind. Women have gone to look for children they gave up to adoption, so why couldn't they change their mind about an abortion?</quote> The abortion pill works shortly. She's have to reverse the pill within hours or a day. Yes women look for their children years later. You know why? Many were forced to give them up for adoption. Again removing autonomy. I know this because it happened to both of my parents. It's in no way comparable. It's a reversal only possible in a tiny timeframe.</quote> I don't disagree with that. Even if it's a low percentage, with all the women that will ever have an abortion, it's safe to say it will happen many times. I don't see what's wrong with giving them options.</quote> Give them an option if you must, however, this is about forcing a teen that had an abortion to undergo an untested procedure and that is full on uncompromising in being wrong</quote> You must not have read all my posts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/01/18 3:01:06 PM #138:	LordRazziel posted... Doctor Foxx posted... LordRazziel posted... Doctor Foxx posted... LordRazziel posted... @Doctor_Foxx No, so can't truly understand what it's like to be in that position. The complexity of human nature and emotion dictates that people will change their mind. Women have gone to look for children they gave up to adoption, so why couldn't they change their mind about an abortion? The abortion pill works shortly. She's have to reverse the pill within hours or a day. Yes women look for their children years later. You know why? Many were forced to give them up for adoption. Again removing autonomy. I know this because it happened to both of my parents. It's in no way comparable. It's a reversal only possible in a tiny timeframe. I don't disagree with that. Even if it's a low percentage, with all the women that will ever have an abortion, it's safe to say it will happen many times. I don't see what's wrong with giving them options. Give them an option if you must, however, this is about forcing a teen that had an abortion to undergo an untested procedure and that is full on uncompromising in being wrong You must not have read my posts. I did. I have responded to you. Did you read the op or the article? The option is untested and unproven. It's not even what you can call an option. This was a bid to ignore a person's autonomy and experiment on them. Women are not going to agree to have this procedure tested on them. Those that want to abort do so. Those that don't want to abort will not agree to being given an abortion pill followed with an experimental reversal attempt. That could have god only knows what kind of adverse effects on the baby if it survived. Hormones really impact development in utero. It's not ethical or practical to test. --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895256875] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>@Doctor_Foxx No, so can't truly understand what it's like to be in that position. The complexity of human nature and emotion dictates that people will change their mind. Women have gone to look for children they gave up to adoption, so why couldn't they change their mind about an abortion?</quote> The abortion pill works shortly. She's have to reverse the pill within hours or a day. Yes women look for their children years later. You know why? Many were forced to give them up for adoption. Again removing autonomy. I know this because it happened to both of my parents. It's in no way comparable. It's a reversal only possible in a tiny timeframe.</quote> I don't disagree with that. Even if it's a low percentage, with all the women that will ever have an abortion, it's safe to say it will happen many times. I don't see what's wrong with giving them options.</quote> Give them an option if you must, however, this is about forcing a teen that had an abortion to undergo an untested procedure and that is full on uncompromising in being wrong</quote> You must not have read my posts.</quote> I did. I have responded to you. Did you read the op or the article? The option is untested and unproven. It's not even what you can call an option. This was a bid to ignore a person's autonomy and experiment on them. Women are not going to agree to have this procedure tested on them. Those that want to abort do so. Those that don't want to abort will not agree to being given an abortion pill followed with an experimental reversal attempt. That could have god only knows what kind of adverse effects on the baby if it survived. Hormones really impact development in utero. It's not ethical or practical to test.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
itachi15243 02/01/18 3:06:33 PM #139:	Abortion is wrong but live human experiments involving aborted fetus's are cool? --- I do drawings and stuff https://www.fiverr.com/blueblitz <cite>itachi15243 posted [p:895257250] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote>Abortion is wrong but live human experiments involving aborted fetus's are cool?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 02/01/18 3:09:48 PM #140:	itachi15243 posted... Abortion is wrong but live human experiments involving aborted fetus's are cool? You have to remember. The GOP doesn't care about women. They just want to control them. --- http://i.imgur.com/BBcZDLJ.png <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:895257483] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote><cite>itachi15243 posted...</cite> <quote>Abortion is wrong but live human experiments involving aborted fetus's are cool?</quote> You have to remember. The GOP doesn't care about women. They just want to control them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordRazziel 02/01/18 3:12:45 PM #141:	The only place it says it's an experiment is in the topic title. If you show me where it says it was, I'll accept the dunce cap. If they can't get enough volunteers, the study will fail, and the treatment should never be administered. I think they could get some, though. I, personally, dont think it's unethical, but I respect your opinion. --- http://i.imgur.com/8pzUM.gif http://i.imgur.com/Oh1iujg.gif The only bad part about flying is having to come back down to the f***in' world ~Rat <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:895257680] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote>The only place it says it's an experiment is in the topic title. If you show me where it says it was, I'll accept the dunce cap. If they can't get enough volunteers, the study will fail, and the treatment should never be administered. I think they could get some, though. I, personally, dont think it's unethical, but I respect your opinion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/01/18 3:21:07 PM #142:	LordRazziel posted... The only place it says it's an experiment is in the topic title. If you show me where it says it was, I'll accept the dunce cap. If they can't get enough volunteers, the study will fail, and the treatment should never be administered. I think they could get some, though. I, personally, dont think it's unethical, but I respect your right to have a differing opinion. It says so in the darn article. Unproven treatments are experimental in nature. In the past few years, opponents of abortion have championed the idea of halting a medication abortion midway by using the hormone progesterone. Anti-abortion activists have pushed governors in four states to sign laws requiring healthcare providers to tell patients about this so-called abortion reversal method. But there is no credible medical evidence that such a procedure works, and the mainstream medical community worries that using it amounts to experimentation on women. Like it's so experimental and unproven it hasn't really been attempted. If medical professionals are calling this something that amounts to experimentation on women I'm going to agree with the medical professionals over forums posters. I will side with the medical professionals anyway but it's clear that they view this as experimentation on women. Would the medicine itself be immoral to use by the patent with consent if it was developed and tested first? The medicine wouldn't be immoral. Any testing methods used to put that medicine in the hands of any patients absolutely would be immoral and experimental. To allow this treatment to become part of medicine would require deeply immoral actions. There is no study. That's part of the point that this isn't an accepted method of treatment. it's not being explored as an accepted method of treatment. There's no trial, no human safety studies. it's essentially just forcing a grown woman to take drugs (a giant hormone dose) because politicians say so. There's no medical backing to suggest that this is safe or healthy for the patient. To even call it experimental at this time is giving it more scientific credit than it deserves... this is punishment. --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895258215] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>The only place it says it's an experiment is in the topic title. If you show me where it says it was, I'll accept the dunce cap. If they can't get enough volunteers, the study will fail, and the treatment should never be administered. I think they could get some, though. I, personally, dont think it's unethical, but I respect your right to have a differing opinion.</quote> It says so in the darn article. Unproven treatments are experimental in nature. <quote>In the past few years, opponents of abortion have championed the idea of halting a medication abortion midway by using the hormone progesterone. Anti-abortion activists have pushed governors in four states to sign laws requiring healthcare providers to tell patients about this so-called abortion reversal method. But there is no credible medical evidence that such a procedure works, and the mainstream medical community worries that using it amounts to experimentation on women.</quote> Like it's so experimental and unproven it hasn't really been attempted. If medical professionals are calling this something that amounts to experimentation on women I'm going to agree with the medical professionals over forums posters. I will side with the medical professionals anyway but it's clear that they view this as experimentation on women. Would the medicine itself be immoral to use by the patent with consent if it was developed and tested first? The medicine wouldn't be immoral. Any testing methods used to put that medicine in the hands of any patients absolutely would be immoral and experimental. To allow this treatment to become part of medicine would require deeply immoral actions. There is no study. That's part of the point that this isn't an accepted method of treatment. it's not being explored as an accepted method of treatment. There's no trial, no human safety studies. it's essentially just forcing a grown woman to take drugs (a giant hormone dose) because politicians say so. There's no medical backing to suggest that this is safe or healthy for the patient. To even call it experimental at this time is giving it more scientific credit than it deserves... this is punishment.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 02/01/18 3:29:16 PM #143:	Tmaster148 posted... itachi15243 posted... Abortion is wrong but live human experiments involving aborted fetus's are cool? You have to remember. The GOP doesn't care about women. They just want to control them. And it's an illegal immigrant's baby. They're not gonna give a shit about it after it's born --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:895258776] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>itachi15243 posted...</cite> <quote>Abortion is wrong but live human experiments involving aborted fetus's are cool?</quote> You have to remember. The GOP doesn't care about women. They just want to control them.</quote> And it's an illegal immigrant's baby. They're not gonna give a shit about it after it's born</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iPhone_7 02/01/18 3:32:32 PM #144:	haha take that liberals! #MAGA #TrumpThatB** --- Sig User Logic http://i.imgur.com/lA5fm7w.jpg <cite>iPhone_7 posted [p:895258977] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote>haha take that liberals! #MAGA #TrumpThatB**</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordRazziel 02/01/18 3:36:05 PM #145:	Doctor Foxx posted... LordRazziel posted... The only place it says it's an experiment is in the topic title. If you show me where it says it was, I'll accept the dunce cap. If they can't get enough volunteers, the study will fail, and the treatment should never be administered. I think they could get some, though. I, personally, dont think it's unethical, but I respect your right to have a differing opinion. It says so in the darn article. Unproven treatments are experimental in nature. In the past few years, opponents of abortion have championed the idea of halting a medication abortion midway by using the hormone progesterone. Anti-abortion activists have pushed governors in four states to sign laws requiring healthcare providers to tell patients about this so-called abortion reversal method. But there is no credible medical evidence that such a procedure works, and the mainstream medical community worries that using it amounts to experimentation on women. Like it's so experimental and unproven it hasn't really been attempted. If medical professionals are calling this something that amounts to experimentation on women I'm going to agree with the medical professionals over forums posters. I will side with the medical professionals anyway but it's clear that they view this as experimentation on women. Would the medicine itself be immoral to use by the patent with consent if it was developed and tested first? The medicine wouldn't be immoral. Any testing methods used to put that medicine in the hands of any patients absolutely would be immoral and experimental. To allow this treatment to become part of medicine would require deeply immoral actions. There is no study. That's part of the point that this isn't an accepted method of treatment. it's not being explored as an accepted method of treatment. it's essentially just forcing a grown woman to take drugs because politicians say so. There's no medical backing to suggest that this is safe or healthy for the patient. To even call it experimental at this time is giving it more scientific credit than it deserves. I see nothing that says she was part of an experiment. They mean their callous disregard for the lack of evidence is tantamount to forced experimentation. They say that the reasonable parties have a history of opposing abortions. This about them forcing their biblical mortality on someone, not experimentation. --- http://i.imgur.com/8pzUM.gif http://i.imgur.com/Oh1iujg.gif The only bad part about flying is having to come back down to the f***in' world ~Rat <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:895259180] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>The only place it says it's an experiment is in the topic title. If you show me where it says it was, I'll accept the dunce cap. If they can't get enough volunteers, the study will fail, and the treatment should never be administered. I think they could get some, though. I, personally, dont think it's unethical, but I respect your right to have a differing opinion.</quote> It says so in the darn article. Unproven treatments are experimental in nature. <quote>In the past few years, opponents of abortion have championed the idea of halting a medication abortion midway by using the hormone progesterone. Anti-abortion activists have pushed governors in four states to sign laws requiring healthcare providers to tell patients about this so-called abortion reversal method. But there is no credible medical evidence that such a procedure works, and the mainstream medical community worries that using it amounts to experimentation on women.</quote> Like it's so experimental and unproven it hasn't really been attempted. If medical professionals are calling this something that amounts to experimentation on women I'm going to agree with the medical professionals over forums posters. I will side with the medical professionals anyway but it's clear that they view this as experimentation on women. Would the medicine itself be immoral to use by the patent with consent if it was developed and tested first? The medicine wouldn't be immoral. Any testing methods used to put that medicine in the hands of any patients absolutely would be immoral and experimental. To allow this treatment to become part of medicine would require deeply immoral actions. There is no study. That's part of the point that this isn't an accepted method of treatment. it's not being explored as an accepted method of treatment. it's essentially just forcing a grown woman to take drugs because politicians say so. There's no medical backing to suggest that this is safe or healthy for the patient. To even call it experimental at this time is giving it more scientific credit than it deserves.</quote> I see nothing that says she was part of an experiment. They mean their callous disregard for the lack of evidence is tantamount to forced experimentation. They say that the reasonable parties have a history of opposing abortions. This about them forcing their biblical mortality on someone, not experimentation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/01/18 3:38:20 PM #146:	LordRazziel posted... The only place it says it's an experiment is in the topic title. For emphasis this is what you said first and I pointed out where it was called experimental. I'll leave out the dunce cap stuff and referring to a study that doesn't exist. More from the article The Trump administration official in charge of the Office of Refugee Resettlement discussed trying to use a controversial, scientifically unproven method to reverse an undocumented teen's abortion, according to documents reviewed by VICE News. Unproven treatments are experimental. Sing it with me now LordRazziel posted... I see nothing that says she was part of an experiment. She wasn't. Using that procedure on her would have been experimenting on her. They didn't do it. They wanted to. But they didn't. If they had done so it would have been experimenting on her (or any other person receiving a treatment like this). That is also what the medical professionals suggested with their words. There's no clinical trials or studies or anything like that. It's using an untested theoretical treatment on a patient. Experimental medicine. Experimenting on women LordRazziel posted... This about them forcing their biblical mortality on someone, not experimentation. It is... Through experimentation. They don't care about the science so they're willing to enforce morals with untested (experimental) procedures. Until they do this to a person they haven't yet experimented on anyone. But anyone they do this to is an unwilling guinea pig. --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895259311] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>The only place it says it's an experiment is in the topic title.</quote> For emphasis this is what you said first and I pointed out where it was called experimental. I'll leave out the dunce cap stuff and referring to a study that doesn't exist. More from the article <quote>The Trump administration official in charge of the Office of Refugee Resettlement discussed trying to use a controversial, scientifically unproven method to reverse an undocumented teen's abortion, according to documents reviewed by VICE News.</quote> Unproven treatments are experimental. Sing it with me now <cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>I see nothing that says she was part of an experiment.</quote> She wasn't. Using that procedure on her would have been experimenting on her. They didn't do it. They wanted to. But they didn't. If they had done so it would have been experimenting on her (or any other person receiving a treatment like this). That is also what the medical professionals suggested with their words. There's no clinical trials or studies or anything like that. It's using an untested theoretical treatment on a patient. Experimental medicine. Experimenting on women <cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>This about them forcing their biblical mortality on someone, not experimentation.</quote> It is... Through experimentation. They don't care about the science so they're willing to enforce morals with untested (experimental) procedures. Until they do this to a person they haven't yet experimented on anyone. But anyone they do this to is an unwilling guinea pig.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordRazziel 02/01/18 3:47:17 PM #147:	experimentation noun the process of performing a scientific procedure, especially in a laboratory, to determine something They weren't trying to determine anything. They just didn't give a shit if it would be safe or effective. Horrible, but factually not experimentation. --- http://i.imgur.com/8pzUM.gif http://i.imgur.com/Oh1iujg.gif The only bad part about flying is having to come back down to the f***in' world ~Rat <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:895259839] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote>experimentation noun the process of performing a scientific procedure, especially in a laboratory, to determine something They weren't trying to determine anything. They just didn't give a shit if it would be safe or effective. Horrible, but factually not experimentation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 02/01/18 3:53:52 PM #148:	itachi15243 posted... Abortion is wrong but live human experiments involving aborted fetus's are cool? Did you seriously just type fetus's? --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:895260256] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote><cite>itachi15243 posted...</cite> <quote>Abortion is wrong but live human experiments involving aborted fetus's are cool?</quote> Did you seriously just type fetus's?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/01/18 3:55:11 PM #149:	LordRazziel posted... experimentation noun the process of performing a scientific procedure, especially in a laboratory, to determine something They weren't trying to determine anything. They just didn't give a shit if it would be safe or effective. Horrible, but factually not experimentation. You can experiment on things without determining anything. Given that outcomes are unknown, any results from trying this out are experimental. They're determining if it may in fact reverse abortion. These results will be observed. They are just not doing so in the setting of a formal trial or study. They are definitely interested in seeing if this procedure reverses abortion successfully. That's another tool to be used to control people if it does work. Using untested medical procedures on people and observing the outcome is experimenting on them whether or not you do so in a lab to publish a study. It may not be the best way to experiment. But it is experimentation. On humans. There are laws against this. experimental ikspermen(t)l/Submit adjective (of a new invention or product) based on untested ideas or techniques and not yet established or finalized. "an experimental drug" synonyms:exploratory, investigational, trial, test, pilot; More (of a work of art or an artistic technique) involving a radically new and innovative style. "experimental music" synonyms:innovative, innovatory, new, original, radical, avant-garde, cutting-edge, alternative, unorthodox, unconventional; informalway-out "experimental music" relating to scientific experiments. "experimental results" --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895260357] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>experimentation noun the process of performing a scientific procedure, especially in a laboratory, to determine something They weren't trying to determine anything. They just didn't give a shit if it would be safe or effective. Horrible, but factually not experimentation.</quote> You can experiment on things without determining anything. Given that outcomes are unknown, any results from trying this out are experimental. They're determining if it may in fact reverse abortion. These results will be observed. They are just not doing so in the setting of a formal trial or study. They are definitely interested in seeing if this procedure reverses abortion successfully. That's another tool to be used to control people if it does work. Using untested medical procedures on people and observing the outcome is experimenting on them whether or not you do so in a lab to publish a study. It may not be the best way to experiment. But it is experimentation. On humans. There are laws against this. experimental ikspermen(t)l/Submit adjective (of a new invention or product) based on untested ideas or techniques and not yet established or finalized. "an experimental drug" synonyms:exploratory, investigational, trial, test, pilot; More (of a work of art or an artistic technique) involving a radically new and innovative style. "experimental music" synonyms:innovative, innovatory, new, original, radical, avant-garde, cutting-edge, alternative, unorthodox, unconventional; informalway-out "experimental music" relating to scientific experiments. "experimental results"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordRazziel 02/01/18 4:04:21 PM #150:	Doctor Foxx posted... LordRazziel posted... experimentation noun the process of performing a scientific procedure, especially in a laboratory, to determine something They weren't trying to determine anything. They just didn't give a shit if it would be safe or effective. Horrible, but factually not experimentation. You can experiment on things without determining anything. Given that outcomes are unknown, any results from trying this out are experimental. They're determining if it may in fact reverse abortion. These results will be observed. They are just not doing so in the setting of a formal trial or study. They are definitely interested in seeing if this procedure reverses abortion successfully. That's another tool to be used to control people if it does work. Using untested medical procedures on people and observing the outcome is experimenting on them whether or not you do so in a lab to publish a study. It may not be the best way to experiment. But it is experimentation. On humans. There are laws against this. experimental ikspermen(t)l/Submit adjective (of a new invention or product) based on untested ideas or techniques and not yet established or finalized. "an experimental drug" synonyms:exploratory, investigational, trial, test, pilot; More (of a work of art or an artistic technique) involving a radically new and innovative style. "experimental music" synonyms:innovative, innovatory, new, original, radical, avant-garde, cutting-edge, alternative, unorthodox, unconventional; informalway-out "experimental music" relating to scientific experiments. "experimental results" Experimentation doesn't have to determine anything, however, the goal is always to determine something. They used an experimental drug on her with callous disregard for effectiveness or safety. They did not try preform experimentation on her. --- http://i.imgur.com/8pzUM.gif http://i.imgur.com/Oh1iujg.gif The only bad part about flying is having to come back down to the f***in' world ~Rat <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:895260892] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>experimentation noun the process of performing a scientific procedure, especially in a laboratory, to determine something They weren't trying to determine anything. They just didn't give a shit if it would be safe or effective. Horrible, but factually not experimentation.</quote> You can experiment on things without determining anything. Given that outcomes are unknown, any results from trying this out are experimental. They're determining if it may in fact reverse abortion. These results will be observed. They are just not doing so in the setting of a formal trial or study. They are definitely interested in seeing if this procedure reverses abortion successfully. That's another tool to be used to control people if it does work. Using untested medical procedures on people and observing the outcome is experimenting on them whether or not you do so in a lab to publish a study. It may not be the best way to experiment. But it is experimentation. On humans. There are laws against this. experimental ikspermen(t)l/Submit adjective (of a new invention or product) based on untested ideas or techniques and not yet established or finalized. "an experimental drug" synonyms:exploratory, investigational, trial, test, pilot; More (of a work of art or an artistic technique) involving a radically new and innovative style. "experimental music" synonyms:innovative, innovatory, new, original, radical, avant-garde, cutting-edge, alternative, unorthodox, unconventional; informalway-out "experimental music" relating to scientific experiments. "experimental results"</quote> Experimentation doesn't have to determine anything, however, the goal is always to determine something. They used an experimental drug on her with callous disregard for effectiveness or safety. They did not try preform experimentation on her.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/01/18 4:12:27 PM #151:	LordRazziel posted... Experimentation doesn't have to determine anything, however, the goal is always to determine something. They used an experimental drug on her with callous disregard for effectiveness or safety. They did not try preform experimentation on her. They didn't use an experimental drug on her. she only got a standard abortion treatment. Using an experimental drug treatment on her to reverse an abortion would be medical experimentation. The government may not be scientists. They are not doing anything themselves. But doctors doing any experimental procedure (or giving patients experimental drug treatments) sure as fuck are documenting things and using it as information for further treatment. You don't just use experimental treatments without observation and documentation! Which makes it an experiment. I think you don't understand this... Something experimental when used and observed is itself experimentation. Experimenting on humans unethically has a long history in the US. Those receiving experimental treatments have rights. The very first right is consent. She did not offer consent to the experimental treatment they wanted to use. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States Human subject rights In 2010, the National Institute of Justice in the United States published recommended rights of human subjects: Voluntary, informed consent Respect for persons: treated as autonomous agents The right to end participation in research at any time Right to safeguard integrity Benefits should outweigh cost Protection from physical, mental and emotional harm Access to information regarding research Protection of privacy and well-being This falls on many counts. If it's not an experiment, as you insist, it is cruel and unusual punishment. which is also not ok in America. --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895261399] in Trump Admi... [t:76266323]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>Experimentation doesn't have to determine anything, however, the goal is always to determine something. They used an experimental drug on her with callous disregard for effectiveness or safety. They did not try preform experimentation on her.</quote> They didn't use an experimental drug on her. she only got a standard abortion treatment. Using an experimental drug treatment on her to reverse an abortion would be medical experimentation. The government may not be scientists. They are not doing anything themselves. But doctors doing any experimental procedure (or giving patients experimental drug treatments) sure as fuck are documenting things and using it as information for further treatment. You don't just use experimental treatments without observation and documentation! Which makes it an experiment. I think you don't understand this... Something experimental when used and observed is itself experimentation. Experimenting on humans unethically has a long history in the US. Those receiving experimental treatments have rights. The very first right is consent. She did not offer consent to the experimental treatment they wanted to use. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States <quote>Human subject rights In 2010, the National Institute of Justice in the United States published recommended rights of human subjects: Voluntary, informed consent Respect for persons: treated as autonomous agents The right to end participation in research at any time Right to safeguard integrity Benefits should outweigh cost Protection from physical, mental and emotional harm Access to information regarding research Protection of privacy and well-being</quote> This falls on many counts. If it's not an experiment, as you insist, it is cruel and unusual punishment. which is also not ok in America.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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