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Giant_Aspirin 02/02/18 4:50:17 PM #1: |
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2018/02/01/detroit-balanced-budget-state-oversight/1088486001/
what a wonderful turnaround after declaring bankruptcy in 2013. nice job. this time w/o typos in the title --- Playing: Dark Souls III (PC) (~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ThanksUglyGod 02/02/18 4:55:39 PM #2: |
Neat, hope they can continue the trend
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DragonGirlYuki 02/02/18 4:57:26 PM #3: |
Nice. Hopefully good fiscal management will continue.
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spudger 02/02/18 4:58:44 PM #4: |
DragonGirlYuki posted...
Nice. Hopefully good fiscal management will continue. --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IdiotMachine 02/02/18 4:58:57 PM #5: |
When can the federal government operate on an yearly budget surplus? Last time this happened was for four years in a row:
1998 - Clinton 1999 - Clinton 2000 - Clinton 2001 - Bush Before that, it was in 1969 under Nixon. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 02/02/18 5:01:18 PM #6: |
Remember this, next time someone complains about gentrification.
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Broseph_Stalin 02/02/18 5:04:28 PM #7: |
IdiotMachine posted...
When can the federal government operate on an yearly budget surplus? Not anytime soon, the budget deficit is growing under Trump. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-31/treasury-lifts-coupon-debt-sales-for-first-time-since-2009 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Were_Wyrm 02/02/18 5:07:12 PM #8: |
Democrat leadership in action.
--- I was a God, Valeria. I found it...beneath me. - Dr. Doom http://i.imgur.com/9gYddqW.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 02/02/18 5:13:00 PM #10: |
IdiotMachine posted...
When can the federal government operate on an yearly budget surplus? The next time there's a widespread bubble, like the dotcom bubble from the late 90s, because they sure as hell won't cut spending. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Admiral 02/02/18 5:14:32 PM #11: |
This is largely because young white families are moving in:
http://www.bridgemi.com/detroit-journalism-cooperative/welcome-new-detroit-white-people-so-long-poor-folks And to no one's surprise, these folks moving in and gentrifying the city so it's no longer a shithole was met with criticism from the left. --- - The Admiral ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkjedilink 02/02/18 5:16:20 PM #12: |
Were_Wyrm posted...
Democrat leadership in action. Uhhh, not really. The Admiral posted... This is largely because young white families are moving in: --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Giant_Aspirin 02/02/18 5:18:27 PM #13: |
The Admiral posted...
This is largely because young white families are moving in: what's the point in specifying that they're white? --- Playing: Dark Souls III (PC) (~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Admiral 02/02/18 5:18:55 PM #14: |
Giant_Aspirin posted...
The Admiral posted...This is largely because young white families are moving in: Because it's being met with criticism because of that point. --- - The Admiral ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Giant_Aspirin 02/02/18 5:19:45 PM #15: |
The Admiral posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...The Admiral posted...This is largely because young white families are moving in: so it has nothing to do with presenting an idea of "white people moved in and fixed the mess caused by those other people"? because that's sure what it sounds like --- Playing: Dark Souls III (PC) (~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkjedilink 02/02/18 5:19:54 PM #16: |
Giant_Aspirin posted...
The Admiral posted...This is largely because young white families are moving in: So leftists can say it's bad. Literally, 'gentrification' is white people coming in to a poor area and improving it, and it's somehow bad. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Giant_Aspirin 02/02/18 5:20:46 PM #17: |
darkjedilink posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...The Admiral posted...This is largely because young white families are moving in: 'gentrification' has literally nothing to do with race, get out of here --- Playing: Dark Souls III (PC) (~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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spudger 02/02/18 5:21:39 PM #18: |
Giant_Aspirin posted...
The Admiral posted...Giant_Aspirin posted...The Admiral posted...This is largely because young white families are moving in: its thinly veiled but blatantly obvious. --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkjedilink 02/02/18 5:21:52 PM #19: |
Giant_Aspirin posted...
darkjedilink posted...Giant_Aspirin posted...The Admiral posted...This is largely because young white families are moving in: Then why is it always pointed at white people as a bad thing? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Admiral 02/02/18 5:22:21 PM #20: |
Giant_Aspirin posted...
'gentrification' has literally nothing to do with race, get out of here You're not serious, right? --- - The Admiral ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkjedilink 02/02/18 5:22:46 PM #21: |
Giant_Aspirin posted...
The Admiral posted...Giant_Aspirin posted...The Admiral posted...This is largely because young white families are moving in: Are you suggesting that isn't what actually happened? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Giant_Aspirin 02/02/18 5:23:37 PM #22: |
The Admiral posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...'gentrification' has literally nothing to do with race, get out of here gentrification jentrfkSH()n/ noun noun: gentrification; plural noun: gentrifications the process of renovating and improving a house or district so that it conforms to middle-class taste. --- Playing: Dark Souls III (PC) (~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jerry_Hellyeah 02/02/18 5:23:54 PM #23: |
Giant_Aspirin posted...
darkjedilink posted...Giant_Aspirin posted...The Admiral posted...This is largely because young white families are moving in: Give us some nonwhite examples. Nobodys beating you over the head with race, but that doesnt mean you get to make up whatever youre thinking. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Giant_Aspirin 02/02/18 5:24:18 PM #24: |
darkjedilink posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...The Admiral posted...Giant_Aspirin posted...The Admiral posted...This is largely because young white families are moving in: im suggesting it has everything to do with socioeconomic standing and nothing to do with the color of the individuals' skin --- Playing: Dark Souls III (PC) (~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Giant_Aspirin 02/02/18 5:24:57 PM #25: |
Jerry_Hellyeah posted...
Give us some nonwhite examples. the definition of the word mentions nothing about race, only socioeconomic status --- Playing: Dark Souls III (PC) (~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GeneralZhao 02/02/18 5:25:36 PM #26: |
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The Admiral 02/02/18 5:26:35 PM #27: |
GeneralZhao posted...
Admiral is such a caricature at this point You say this every time you can't make an intelligent argument refuting the points. Get a new gimmick. --- - The Admiral ... Copied to Clipboard!
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A_Good_Boy 02/02/18 5:27:40 PM #28: |
What policy changes occurred that caused them to have their surplus?
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darkjedilink 02/02/18 5:28:04 PM #29: |
Giant_Aspirin posted...
Jerry_Hellyeah posted...Give us some nonwhite examples. Jerry_Hellyeah posted... Give us some nonwhite examples. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Giant_Aspirin 02/02/18 5:31:20 PM #30: |
darkjedilink posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...Jerry_Hellyeah posted...Give us some nonwhite examples. are you actually demanding examples of non-white people moving into an area and improving it, as if it's really that unbelievable to you? see the neighborhood of Bronzeville on the South Side of Chicago --- Playing: Dark Souls III (PC) (~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 02/02/18 5:31:54 PM #31: |
The Admiral posted...
http://www.bridgemi.com/detroit-journalism-cooperative/welcome-new-detroit-white-people-so-long-poor-folks Let's look at this: Meanwhile, the rest of the city has kind of been falling off the map. Blocks are still abandoned, until a few years ago there werent streetlights, garbage collection was minimal. Take that in combination with the water shutoffs, the tax foreclosures (and) you get the sense that this is not an accident, that its not an organic rebirth, but a purposeful concentration on one part of the city and a purposeful forgetting of the rest of it. Its a rebirth for a certain set of people, but not for everyone.Getting rid of deadbeats is a "bad" thing? So when you look at this idea of recovery, its not a neutral term. Recovery for who? The people whove been living in these neighborhoods for decade after decade, keeping their house the only nice one on the block? Theyve been waiting for the government to help them out for a long time.City resources go where people are. A neighborhood with only one nice house only needs a bulldozer for the rest. When you see this quote-unquote revitalization, what youre seeing is new, mostly white people moving in, and that is followed by government intervention. The people whove been there all along are not exactly happy, because theyve been asking for help for decades and feel theyve been ignored, in favor of these newcomers.Yes. Intervention in the form of improving utilities and roadways, and public services such as crosswalks and streetlights, in areas that may well provide a return on the investment as more and wealthier people move in and do business there. There's no real point in improving an area that has only one nice house and a liquor-store/checks-cashed-here on the corner. However, I seriously doubt that's the intended context of "help" here. Theres nothing innate about improvement that can be good for everyone, unless that improvement is coupled with protection. So lets say there was universal rent control in the parts of Detroit that are rapidly gentrifying. Then, would it be nice that the abandoned buildings were being converted into apartments? Sure.Were rent controls a thing, those buildings would not be converted to apartments at all. They'd be luxury condos instead, and even less affordable. Or lets say that your homes value improving wasnt associated with taxes becoming so unaffordable that most middle-class families cant afford them? Then, would improvements be nice? Sure, but because of the way our system operates, improvement almost always equals increased pressure on the poor and middle class.tl;dr: actual advocacy for socialism's inevitable "shared misery" phenomenon. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Admiral 02/02/18 5:38:09 PM #32: |
I've never understood what was so bad about displacing poor people from a crime ridden slum. Maybe one of you libs can tell me?
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darkjedilink 02/02/18 5:40:29 PM #33: |
Giant_Aspirin posted...
darkjedilink posted...Giant_Aspirin posted...Jerry_Hellyeah posted...Give us some nonwhite examples. No. I'm asking for examples of that happening, and it be criticized as gentrification. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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spudger 02/02/18 5:43:10 PM #34: |
The Admiral posted...
I've never understood what was so bad about displacing poor people from a crime ridden slum. Maybe one of you libs can tell me? do they magically disappear after you 'displace' them? --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FrenchCrunch 02/02/18 5:43:20 PM #35: |
plenty of chinese people are gentrifying queens. i used to work in queens doing liability inspections on new/recently renovated homes
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Giant_Aspirin 02/02/18 5:44:01 PM #36: |
darkjedilink posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...darkjedilink posted...Giant_Aspirin posted...Jerry_Hellyeah posted...Give us some nonwhite examples. i have no idea what you're even on about but i don't have that handy. --- Playing: Dark Souls III (PC) (~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkjedilink 02/02/18 5:46:01 PM #37: |
FrenchCrunch posted...
plenty of chinese people are gentrifying queens. i used to work in queens doing liability inspections on new/recently renovated homes That may be what has happened, but did the residents of Queens complain that it was bad? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FrenchCrunch 02/02/18 5:46:27 PM #38: |
darkjedilink posted...
FrenchCrunch posted...plenty of chinese people are gentrifying queens. i used to work in queens doing liability inspections on new/recently renovated homes no idea. only saw that people were asking for nonwhite examples ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Admiral 02/02/18 5:49:06 PM #39: |
darkjedilink posted...
FrenchCrunch posted...plenty of chinese people are gentrifying queens. i used to work in queens doing liability inspections on new/recently renovated homes I wouldn't be surprised if it did. Asians get lumped in with "whites" when it's convenient for leftist narratives. For example, see the bitching about the lack of "diversity" in the tech industry, when it's actually one of the most minority-heavy sectors due to the Asian makeup. Regardless, the term is never used when there isn't some racial component to it. No one here can find an example of "gentrification" where it was rich black people pushing our poor ones. It's almost exclusively used when poor minorities are being displaced by another racial group. --- - The Admiral ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 02/02/18 5:52:03 PM #40: |
The Admiral posted...
Regardless, the term is never used when there isn't some racial component to it. No one here can find an example of "gentrification" where it was rich black people pushing our poor ones. It's almost exclusively used when poor minorities are being displaced. Nor is it brought up much when poor white people are nudged out, unless they're homeless or a 90-year-old widow. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Giant_Aspirin 02/02/18 5:52:25 PM #41: |
The Admiral posted...
No one here can find an example of "gentrification" where it was rich black people pushing our poor ones i gave one above: Giant_Aspirin posted... see the neighborhood of Bronzeville on the South Side of Chicago Gentrification, though, means something different in Bronzeville than it does in other neighborhoods. In most U.S. cities the word has generally come to imply the gradual taking of a place from one group (usually poor people, usually minorities) by another (usually middle- or upper-class whites). But in Bronzeville, a historically black neighborhood once Chicagos version of Harlem, the citys Black Metropolis the gentrifiers are black, too. https://www.citylab.com/equity/2012/12/how-black-gentrifiers-have-affected-perception-chicagos-changing-neighborhoods/4233/ --- Playing: Dark Souls III (PC) (~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DragonGirlYuki 02/02/18 5:55:05 PM #42: |
I don't get why gentrification is bad. It seems like the left is always throwing in race when it is coincidental. Correlation is not causation.
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Questionmarktarius 02/02/18 5:56:43 PM #43: |
Giant_Aspirin posted...
https://www.citylab.com/equity/2012/12/how-black-gentrifiers-have-affected-perception-chicagos-changing-neighborhoods/4233/ Hold on... is the second-to-last paragraph a complaint that white people aren't moving in? Gentrification in Bronzeville not only has a different meaning; it has a different set of limits. The neighborhood needs more sit-down restaurants, but outside of the immediate community, who will patronize them? How would things change if whites did move in? Or what would happen if middle-class blacks gentrified a part of town that wasnt associated in the citys memory with housing projects and gang violence? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Admiral 02/02/18 5:57:08 PM #44: |
Giant_Aspirin posted...
The Admiral posted...No one here can find an example of "gentrification" where it was rich black people pushing our poor ones The definition in your quote literally refutes your argument about it having a non-racial meaning. This one case in Chicago is being highlighted because it's the exception. --- - The Admiral ... Copied to Clipboard!
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justaguy3492 02/02/18 5:57:32 PM #45: |
Got a friend who lives in downtown Detroit, and he is always telling me that it's nothing like what people say it is. There's a bunch of tech start ups that are based in Detroit and all in all it's a pretty ok place (based on his description). He also said the city has a bunch of hot french Canadian girls in it which is a plus.
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Esrac 02/02/18 6:03:58 PM #46: |
Giant_Aspirin posted...
darkjedilink posted...Giant_Aspirin posted...The Admiral posted...Giant_Aspirin posted...The Admiral posted...This is largely because young white families are moving in: That is probably true in reality, but I think what they're getting at is because the middle class people moving in and improving the state of the neighborhoods and, apparently, contributing to a surplus for the city are (mostly) white, it is met with more criticism by socially conscious folks on the Left who probably see it as rich white people displacing poor black people. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PrettyBoyFloyd 02/02/18 6:05:48 PM #47: |
Now maybe my Pistons will worry about being worth a damn again.
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Giant_Aspirin 02/02/18 7:02:57 PM #48: |
The Admiral posted...
The definition in your quote literally refutes your argument about it having a non-racial meaning. the term is typically used to mean situations where white people move into non-white neighborhoods because that's typically how things play out. i was asserting that the actual definition of gentrification isn't based on race, because it's not. --- Playing: Dark Souls III (PC) (~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FLUFFYGERM 02/02/18 7:07:01 PM #49: |
white people move out? " WHAAAAAA white flight!"
white people move in? " WHAAAA gentrification!" That seems to summarize the far left's position on white people in Detroit. --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Giant_Aspirin 02/02/18 7:07:18 PM #50: |
Esrac posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...darkjedilink posted...Giant_Aspirin posted...The Admiral posted...Giant_Aspirin posted...The Admiral posted...This is largely because young white families are moving in: fair point. --- Playing: Dark Souls III (PC) (~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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