Current Events > The FBI has knew about Larry Nassar since 2015 and did nothing

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http://www.espn.com/olympics/gymnastics/story/_/id/22310253/dozens-assaulted-larry-nassar-fbi-knew-allegations

DETROIT -- A newspaper reports that at least 40 girls and women say they were molested by a Michigan sports doctor over a 14-month period during which the FBI was aware that Larry Nassar had been accused of molesting elite gymnasts.

The New York Times says the FBI became aware of Nassar in July 2015. But he wasn't publicly exposed until The Indianapolis Star published allegations by a victim in 2016.

Federal authorities in Michigan subsequently charged Nassar with child pornography crimes. Sexual assault charges were later filed by the Michigan attorney general.

Nassar has been sentenced to decades in prison and will get sentenced in another case Monday.

The Times says the FBI declined to answer detailed questions about its Nassar investigation. The FBI said allegations against Nassar "transcended jurisdictions."

Sounds like a horseshit excuse to let a serial pedophile continue victimizing women. The FBI dropped the ball big time.
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Agreed.
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The Admiral posted...

The Times says the FBI declined to answer detailed questions about its Nassar investigation. The FBI said allegations against Nassar "transcended jurisdictions."

WTF lol, the point of the FBI is that they are federal, they get to cross state lines and stuff.
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Let's see how the most insane moron online is taking this news

https://twitter.com/ericgarland/status/959953411868413955
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Well I for one am just shocked that the FBI can be both incompetent and corrupt. Nothing that has happened in the last year has prepared me for this.
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Nobody does anything until it comes out to the public eye
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The Admiral posted...

pedophile continue victimizing women

this doesn't fit. a pedophile has no interest in women. most if not all of his victims were in their teens. I know the media keeps using the P word but he was technically an ephebophile molester.

Bagamak posted...

The Admiral posted...

pedophile continue victimizing women

this doesn't fit. a pedophile has no interest in women. most if not all of his victims were in their teens. I know the media keeps using the P word but he was technically an ephebophile molester.

Shut the fuck up.
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ChainedRedone posted...

Bagamak posted...

The Admiral posted...

pedophile continue victimizing women

this doesn't fit. a pedophile has no interest in women. most if not all of his victims were in their teens. I know the media keeps using the P word but he was technically an ephebophile molester.

Shut the fuck up.

no. piss off you ignorant person

here we go again. this. this right here is why I get harrased on this board. because of people like CHainedRedone

Here's the relevant context from the NYT story, for whatever it's worth:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/03/sports/nassar-fbi.html

The F.B.I. declined to answer detailed questions about the speed and nature of its investigation, or to provide an official who might put the case in context. Instead, it issued a 112-word statement asserting that the sexual exploitation of children is an especially heinous crime, and that the safety and well-being of our youth is a top priority for the F.B.I.

The statement also said that the many allegations against Dr. Nassar transcended jurisdictions an apparent suggestion that internal efforts to coordinate among its bureaus and with other law enforcement agencies partly explained the inquirys slow tempo.
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Some of the delay appears to have been related to questions concerning federal-versus-state jurisdiction, as well as jurisdiction within the F.B.I. itself. Although the Indianapolis bureau had received the information, the alleged sexual abuse by Dr. Nassar had taken place in Texas, at the Karolyi ranch, and in Michigan, where he lived and worked. And Ms. Maroney lived in California.

According to Mr. Abbott, his agents in Indianapolis did not have the case for long. When we consulted with the U.S. attorney, we knew right away that we would not have venue, he said. It was never really our case.

Mr. Abbott said that his agents conducted some interviews, but he declined to say with whom. He also said written reports were sent within weeks to F.B.I. offices in Michigan and Los Angeles.

The retired agent emphasized how the sensitivities and difficulties of child-exploitation cases can contribute to the length of investigations. You are dealing with victims who sometimes dont want to be interviewed, he said. It is extremely delicate. And you also have the parents of minors who are sometimes not comfortable with interviews.

Asked why federal law enforcement officials did not notify people other gymnasts, parents, coaches that a potential child molester was in their midst, Mr. Abbott said, Thats where things can get tricky.

There is a duty to warn those who might be harmed in the future, he said. But everyone is still trying to ascertain whether a crime has been committed. And everybody has rights here a reference to both the alleged victims and the person being accused.

The Nassar case might have been further complicated, he said, by the fact that there was a vigorous debate going on about whether this was a legitimate medical procedure.

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The FBI sucks now. Biased political investigations, letting molesters run free. Man.
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The Nassar case might have been further complicated, he said, by the fact that there was a vigorous debate going on about whether this was a legitimate medical procedure.

what? people were having a vigorous debate about whether or not fingering underage girls is a legitimate medical procedure?
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Sativa_Rose posted...

The Admiral posted...

The Times says the FBI declined to answer detailed questions about its Nassar investigation. The FBI said allegations against Nassar "transcended jurisdictions."

WTF lol, the point of the FBI is that they are federal, they get to cross state lines and stuff.

Did it cross country lines? If so, that could be the issue... if not, pathetic excuse.
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Doesn't it take time to build a bullet proof case?

Not gonna demonize them on this one.
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So Addy actually cares about this since it fits his narrative, but it was fine for Joe Paterno to ignore allegations for decades because reasons?
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DrizztLink posted...

So Addy actually cares about this since it fits his narrative, but it was fine for Joe Paterno to ignore allegations because reasons?

Joe Paterno didn't ignore them, he reported the claims to the AD to handle, which was the proper chain of authority.

Meanwhile, the FBI is actual law enforcement body, not some football coach. I expect a bit from them when it comes to handling criminal issues.
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Only 2015? I'm pretty sure the state knew about him ever since his birth certificate was filed.

Disgusting
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Remember when the FBI hosted their own CP site that succeeded in catching no one and actually helped people get off the hook?
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GiftedACIII posted...

Remember when the FBI hosted their own CP site that succeeded in catching no one and actually helped people get off the hook?

Obama's FBI
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The Admiral posted...

Joe Paterno didn't ignore them, he reported the claims to the AD to handle, which was the proper chain of authority.

Shouldn't claims of criminal behavior be directed to...not the athletic director?
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Antifar posted...

Shouldn't claims of criminal behavior be directed to...not the athletic director?

nah man, if you see someone diddling kids just let your boss know and then you're clean
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Bagamak posted...

The Admiral posted...

pedophile continue victimizing women

this doesn't fit. a pedophile has no interest in women. most if not all of his victims were in their teens. I know the media keeps using the P word but he was technically an ephebophile molester.

He went after a 6 year old from what I recall.
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Antifar posted...

The Admiral posted...

Joe Paterno didn't ignore them, he reported the claims to the AD to handle, which was the proper chain of authority.

Shouldn't claims of criminal behavior be directed to...not the athletic director?

Shouldn't claims of criminal behavior from the kids and their parents be directed to...not a football coach?

Paterno heard third-hand stories and passed it along to the arm of the athletic department that is in charge of investigations. Without knowing if it's true or not, it's not his job to bypass the school's chain of authority on these issues and run to the police. It's the school's job to investigate these claims and take appropriate action, given that they have literal bodies set up to do this thing.

Regardless of whether you wished he had personally done more, he most certainly did not "ignore" the reports, as DrizztLink said.
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I dont understand how were supposed to respond to this. MSU knew, team USA knew, and the fbi knew?? and none of them did anything. Gross institutional failure doesnt even begin to describe it
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Seems like Nassar has/had some friends in high places or they were more worried about a precious sport's integrity than abused children like many were during the Penn state scandal.
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halomonkey1_3_5 posted...

Antifar posted...

Shouldn't claims of criminal behavior be directed to...not the athletic director?

nah man, if you see someone diddling kids just let your boss know and then you're clean

Joe Paterno did not witness Sandusky doing anything like that. He heard rumors of such, and did what he was directed to do by Human Resources and the school's legal department. This action is one of the things that eventually led to Sandusky's arrest, trial, and conviction.

Like, seriously - what do people expect Paterno to have actually done beyond that? Going directly to the police with nothing more than rumors could have had a major negative impact on the case overall, AND likely would have gotten him fired.
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Legal obligation don't always mean moral obligations, is how people feel I presume.
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Funkydog posted...

Legal obligation don't always mean moral obligations, is how people feel I presume.

Okay, but he reported it, and that report helped get him thrown in prison. In my opinion, he managed to balance the legal and moral obligations he had pretty well.

I mean, the cognitive dissonance in this very thread is real - someone claims he WITNESSED Sandusky messing with kids, which is categorically false, JUST so that person can keep his moral objections to Paterno going.
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If you publicly accuse someone of being a child rapist without direct evidence, you open yourself to a civil suit. This is precisely why these chains exist to investigate the claims and file appropriate charges with the authorities based on evidence, not hearsay.

I know it seems like it would have been the "nice thing to do" if Paterno had immediately run to the police, but that would have been completely inappropriate and could have gotten him fired if the evidence didn't match the rumors.
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darkjedilink posted...

Okay, but he reported it, and that report helped get him thrown in prison. In my opinion, he managed to balance the legal and moral obligations he had pretty well.

I think people believe he should have done more, after hearing about potential child abuse when his report was met with no action. Sure, it helped after. But in between it let many more be abused.
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Bagamak posted...

a pedophile has no interest in women

what
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Funkydog posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Okay, but he reported it, and that report helped get him thrown in prison. In my opinion, he managed to balance the legal and moral obligations he had pretty well.

I think people believe he should have done more, after hearing about potential child abuse when his report was met with no action. Sure, it helped after. But in between it let many more be abused.

Again, based on what's legally required of him as an employee of the school (actually as a public employee, right? Penn State is a public college, correct? Making him a state employee?), there's nothing more he COULD do.

And the fact that nothing was done after he reported it isn't on him. It's on the school for doing nothing with that report.

When you figure in that they're state employees, that raises a whole other level of legal bullshit to go through when dealing with stuff like this, because government employees are protected up the ass.
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I'm not saying it is his fault, or that he even did anything wrong. But people clearly feel he should have gone to the police or something.

Whether that would actually have helped, I dunno
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Guess mandatory reporting just goes out the window if you're a beloved football coach.
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Funkydog posted...

I'm not saying it is his fault, or that he even did anything wrong. But people clearly feel he should have gone to the police or something.

Whether that would actually have helped, I dunno

I know. I'm just reiterating the response to those people.

And, if anything, going straight to the police would have hurt the case instead of helped. The best-case scenario is Paterno calls the cops and says he hears through the grapevine that Sandusky is playing with kids. If the cops don't just laugh him off the phone (due to homerism), they likely aren't going to do anything based off a third-hand rumor.

The kids Sandusky hurt still would have been hurt. The only difference is that we wouldn't be able to hold the Athletic Director accountable for his inaction.
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darkjedilink posted...

Funkydog posted...

I'm not saying it is his fault, or that he even did anything wrong. But people clearly feel he should have gone to the police or something.

Whether that would actually have helped, I dunno

I know. I'm just reiterating the response to those people.

And, if anything, going straight to the police would have hurt the case instead of helped. The best-case scenario is Paterno calls the cops and says he hears through the grapevine that Sandusky is playing with kids. If the cops don't just laugh him off the phone (due to homerism), they likely aren't going to do anything based off a third-hand rumor.

The kids Sandusky hurt still would have been hurt. The only difference is that we wouldn't be able to hold the Athletic Director accountable for his inaction.

Well, in response to that. I think the issue is that he did nothing more after he saw it was just being ignored. But same issue arises of whether it would actually help or not, so... dunno.
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Funkydog posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Funkydog posted...

I'm not saying it is his fault, or that he even did anything wrong. But people clearly feel he should have gone to the police or something.

Whether that would actually have helped, I dunno

I know. I'm just reiterating the response to those people.

And, if anything, going straight to the police would have hurt the case instead of helped. The best-case scenario is Paterno calls the cops and says he hears through the grapevine that Sandusky is playing with kids. If the cops don't just laugh him off the phone (due to homerism), they likely aren't going to do anything based off a third-hand rumor.

The kids Sandusky hurt still would have been hurt. The only difference is that we wouldn't be able to hold the Athletic Director accountable for his inaction.

Well, in response to that. I think the issue is that he did nothing more after he saw it was just being ignored. But same issue arises of whether it would actually help or not, so... dunno.

But, again, what more could he have done morally while still balancing his legal obligations as a school employee, state employee, and co-worker? It literally wasn't his responsibility, but the responsibility of the AD that he reported it to.
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darkjedilink posted...

But, again, what more could he have done morally while still balancing his legal obligations as a school employee, state employee, and co-worker? It literally wasn't his responsibility, but the responsibility of the AD that he reported it to.

Legally, sure. People's issue from what I can tell is that morally he was obliged to do more.
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Funkydog posted...

darkjedilink posted...

But, again, what more could he have done morally while still balancing his legal obligations as a school employee, state employee, and co-worker? It literally wasn't his responsibility, but the responsibility of the AD that he reported it to.

Legally, sure. People's issue from what I can tell is that morally he was obliged to do more.

Except he really isn't, unless we're going to argue that everyone is morally obliged to report every single rumor they here of suspicious activity to the police.
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Thanks obama

You know what they say about FBI and the best place to look for...

Funkydog posted...

Bagamak posted...

The Admiral posted...

pedophile continue victimizing women

this doesn't fit. a pedophile has no interest in women. most if not all of his victims were in their teens. I know the media keeps using the P word but he was technically an ephebophile molester.

He went after a 6 year old from what I recall.

then he is a pedophile if that's true. I didn't know about it. the only victims I saw on CNN were all teenagers

the_cajun88 posted...

Bagamak posted...

a pedophile has no interest in women

what

a pedophile is a person who likes people who haven't done puberty yet.