Poll of the Day > Is Coruscant the largest fictional city?

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Its a planet city, about the size of Earth, with a population of over 1 trillion. With over 90% of the usable land inhabited
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Ogurisama posted...

With over 90% of the usable land inhabited

If this was true then the population would be way over 1 trillion.

I mean I'm sure this is stated in a Star Wars source book somewhere, I'm more than familiar with the EU, I just want to point out that the numbers are hilariously out of whack.
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Blighboy posted...

Ogurisama posted...

With over 90% of the usable land inhabited

If this was true then the population would be way over 1 trillion.

I mean I'm sure this is stated in a Star Wars source book somewhere, I'm more than familiar with the EU, I just want to point out that the numbers are hilariously out of whack.

I am just going off what the star wars wiki says
I am sure the population is closer to 1 Quadrillion
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Coruscant has more surface area than just the planet surface because they build skyscrapers that reach the clouds. There are countless levels of the city. They get alot of use out of that planet

Ogurisama posted...

I am just going off what the star wars wiki says
I am sure the population is closer to 1 Quadrillion

Yeah it's just an issue with Star Wars writers.

There was a big "how many clone trooper and droids are there" debate back before Disney bought the franchise that got quite nasty.

The interesting thing to me is that no other planet in Star Wars even comes close to that population level, so Coruscant is essentially as populated as the rest of the galaxy combined, if not even more so.
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Zikten posted...

Coruscant has more surface area than just the planet surface because they build skyscrapers that reach the clouds. There are countless levels of the city. They get alot of use out of that planet

Where does all the poop go?

Blighboy posted...

Ogurisama posted...

I am just going off what the star wars wiki says
I am sure the population is closer to 1 Quadrillion

Yeah it's just an issue with Star Wars writers.

There was a big "how many clone trooper and droids are there" debate back before Disney bought the franchise that got quite nasty.

The interesting thing to me is that no other planet in Star Wars even comes close to that population level, so Coruscant is essentially as populated as the rest of the galaxy combined, if not even more so.

One thing i wonder about it, how does it sustain life at that point?
Did they find an effective way to recycle water, do they import fresh water?
Most of the uninhibited land is a park/parks, so all food has to be imported or lab grown.
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Ogurisama posted...

One thing i wonder about it, how does it sustain life at that point?
Did they find an effective way to recycle water, do they import fresh water?
Most of the uninhibited land is a park/parks, so all food has to be imported or lab grown.

In KotOR they talk about how the Republic has hundreds/thousands of sparsely populated farm worlds like Dantooine which are purely for producing food. Importing water probably isn't practical so I imagine it's recycled.

My sort of head canon for Coruscant is that the majority of the planet is dedicated to droid run climate control facilities to take care of things like that. IDK if it's elaborated on in other works. It might be.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

Zikten posted...

Coruscant has more surface area than just the planet surface because they build skyscrapers that reach the clouds. There are countless levels of the city. They get alot of use out of that planet

Where does all the poop go?

Incinerators or shipped off-planet to fertilize crops.
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Blighboy posted...

Ogurisama posted...

With over 90% of the usable land inhabited

If this was true then the population would be way over 1 trillion.

I mean I'm sure this is stated in a Star Wars source book somewhere, I'm more than familiar with the EU, I just want to point out that the numbers are hilariously out of whack.

It's a series about magic space knights, I'm not they're entirely concerned about fact-checking for realism.
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Nope. I just created a bigger one.

Think I'll call it Brettsonia.

Renraku_San posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

Zikten posted...

Coruscant has more surface area than just the planet surface because they build skyscrapers that reach the clouds. There are countless levels of the city. They get alot of use out of that planet

Where does all the poop go?

Incinerators or shipped off-planet to fertilize crops.

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Ogurisama posted...

Its a planet city, about the size of Earth, with a population of over 1 trillion. With over 90% of the usable land inhabited

Nope. As usual, Warhammer has bigger. 1 trillion would actually be considered small for a hive world - various hive worlds have their population in the 10 trillion range.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

Renraku_San posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

Zikten posted...

Coruscant has more surface area than just the planet surface because they build skyscrapers that reach the clouds. There are countless levels of the city. They get alot of use out of that planet

Where does all the poop go?

Incinerators or shipped off-planet to fertilize crops.

Imperial Shit Barge 1138: A Star Wars Story

Even the shittiest jobs can create a hero. Dun dun dun dunnnnn dunnnnn dun dun dun dunnnnnn dunnnn.
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darkknight109 posted...

Ogurisama posted...

Its a planet city, about the size of Earth, with a population of over 1 trillion. With over 90% of the usable land inhabited

Nope. As usual, Warhammer has bigger. 1 trillion would actually be considered small for a hive world - various hive worlds have their population in the 10 trillion range.

Nice. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EJWc05UxHfI/VA9yNEh6ecI/AAAAAAAAIEk/yqRdRk5GpN4/s1600/DarkHeresy_HiveWorld_MarkMolnar.jpg
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Blighboy posted...

Ogurisama posted...

I am just going off what the star wars wiki says
I am sure the population is closer to 1 Quadrillion

Yeah it's just an issue with Star Wars writers.

There was a big "how many clone trooper and droids are there" debate back before Disney bought the franchise that got quite nasty.

The interesting thing to me is that no other planet in Star Wars even comes close to that population level, so Coruscant is essentially as populated as the rest of the galaxy combined, if not even more so.

Why would the debate suddenly end because Disney bought them?
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darkknight109 posted...

Nope. As usual, Warhammer has bigger.

Man, what isn't bigger in Warhammer 40k. I love the Warhammer 40k lore but I find it interesting how most of their stuff is bigger/better than other fictional equivalent but when compared to stuff within the Warhammer 40k everything seems "normal".

Oh you got a skyscraper size Titan whose firepower dwarf the combined firepower of most sci-fi armies? Don't worry, enemies within Warhammer 40k have something on par to said Titan. It's like the quote from The Incredibles, "when everyone's super, no one will be."
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Revelation34 posted...

Blighboy posted...

Ogurisama posted...

I am just going off what the star wars wiki says
I am sure the population is closer to 1 Quadrillion

Yeah it's just an issue with Star Wars writers.

There was a big "how many clone trooper and droids are there" debate back before Disney bought the franchise that got quite nasty.

The interesting thing to me is that no other planet in Star Wars even comes close to that population level, so Coruscant is essentially as populated as the rest of the galaxy combined, if not even more so.

Why would the debate suddenly end because Disney bought them?

Because all the materials that went into that debate were rendered non-canon when Disney wiped the old EU.

Honestly, it was a dumb debate anyways, especially given how laughably lopsided the numbers were - something like 100 million battle droids vs. 2.5 million clones, if memory serves.
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darkknight109 posted...

Revelation34 posted...

Blighboy posted...

Ogurisama posted...

I am just going off what the star wars wiki says
I am sure the population is closer to 1 Quadrillion

Yeah it's just an issue with Star Wars writers.

There was a big "how many clone trooper and droids are there" debate back before Disney bought the franchise that got quite nasty.

The interesting thing to me is that no other planet in Star Wars even comes close to that population level, so Coruscant is essentially as populated as the rest of the galaxy combined, if not even more so.

Why would the debate suddenly end because Disney bought them?

Because all the materials that went into that debate were rendered non-canon when Disney wiped the old EU.

Honestly, it was a dumb debate anyways, especially given how laughably lopsided the numbers were - something like 100 million battle droids vs. 2.5 million clones, if memory serves.

You realize it doesn't matter if Disney does something like that right? Just because George Lucas sold it doesn't mean what he said is invalid. He said all of it was canon. Disney isn't the original creator just because they bought it.
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Pretty sure any sci-fi Dyson sphere/Dyson swarm/Matroshka Brain would dwarf anything mentioned so far.

Off the top of my head, I'm reasonably sure Larry Niven's Ringworld alone dwarfs anything in this topic by several orders of magnitude.
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InfestedAdam posted...

It's like the quote from The Incredibles, "when everyone's super, no one will be."

Maybe I'll finally watch that tonight.
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I just made up a fictional city right this second. Its population is a googolplex.
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Revelation34 posted...

You realize it doesn't matter if Disney does something like that right? Just because George Lucas sold it doesn't mean what he said is invalid. He said all of it was canon. Disney isn't the original creator just because they bought it.

Really, if you ask me, the entire concept of "canon" is stupid to begin with - arguing about which fictional story is "more real" than another fictional story is the height of ridiculousness. I don't honestly give a shit if Lucas is the original creator or if Disney is the current owner, because neither of those things give them automatic license to rewrite reality - those stories were told and they're out there.

But ignoring that for now, you're wrong on two points. For one, Lucas never said "all of it" is canon; canon under George Lucas (because... *sigh*... they have someone whose actual job is to oversee such things) was the most recent version of the numbered movies, plus any comments Lucas made. Everything else was in "continuity", but wasn't canon, because Star Wars insisted on having this bizarre "tiered" canon system which was even dumber than most.

For two, those numbers didn't come from Lucas; they came from Karen Traviss, a (pretty bad) EU author. Disney declared all of the old EU non-canon (or "alternate reality", if you prefer), because they wanted to write a new expanded universe and didn't want the old one getting in the way of the films they were planning. I don't really blame them, honestly, the old EU got pretty bloated by the end. Anyways, point is the stories where Traviss put this information out aren't in the official timeline anymore, so the debate has kind of become a moot point.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

Zikten posted...

Coruscant has more surface area than just the planet surface because they build skyscrapers that reach the clouds. There are countless levels of the city. They get alot of use out of that planet

Where does all the poop go?

It must be sent to Earth.
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The pronunciation of Coruscant bothers me. Same for Connecticut and Tucson.

darkknight109 posted...

Revelation34 posted...

You realize it doesn't matter if Disney does something like that right? Just because George Lucas sold it doesn't mean what he said is invalid. He said all of it was canon. Disney isn't the original creator just because they bought it.

Really, if you ask me, the entire concept of "canon" is stupid to begin with - arguing about which fictional story is "more real" than another fictional story is the height of ridiculousness. I don't honestly give a shit if Lucas is the original creator or if Disney is the current owner, because neither of those things give them automatic license to rewrite reality - those stories were told and they're out there.

But ignoring that for now, you're wrong on two points. For one, Lucas never said "all of it" is canon; canon under George Lucas (because... *sigh*... they have someone whose actual job is to oversee such things) was the most recent version of the numbered movies, plus any comments Lucas made. Everything else was in "continuity", but wasn't canon, because Star Wars insisted on having this bizarre "tiered" canon system which was even dumber than most.

For two, those numbers didn't come from Lucas; they came from Karen Traviss, a (pretty bad) EU author. Disney declared all of the old EU non-canon (or "alternate reality", if you prefer), because they wanted to write a new expanded universe and didn't want the old one getting in the way of the films they were planning. I don't really blame them, honestly, the old EU got pretty bloated by the end. Anyways, point is the stories where Traviss put this information out aren't in the official timeline anymore, so the debate has kind of become a moot point.

I never said anything about numbers. Lucas himself said the expanded universe was canon.
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Lucas never read a single word of the EU though
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Blighboy posted...

Lucas never read a single word of the EU though

I dont think he read his own scripts
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SushiSquid posted...

The pronunciation of Coruscant bothers me. Same for Connecticut and Tucson.

Scissors?

Was looking up the city from Asimov's Foundation "Trantor" for comparrison.

There have been some serious attempts to illustrate a planet like Trantor in the Star Wars films by George Lucas, the first being Coruscant (which was in some early sources called "Jhantor", in homage to Trantor[citation needed]). Coruscant is one of the more convincing images on screen we have today of Isaac Asimov's conception of the world-girdling city of Trantor. Coruscant is a planet-covering open-air city, while Trantor's buildings are all subterranean or under domes[14] due to worsening weather conditions.[15] Asimov's Trantor thus differs from Coruscant in that Trantor is more practically adapted to inclement weather, although weather control devices are used on both planets. It should be noted that there is a planet called Trantor in the Star Wars universe, and it is also an ecumenopolis.
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While the Dyson Sphere encountered by the Enterprise D was abandoned, it had a diameter of 200 million km.

There's a post on reddit that guesses about 4.2 quintillion people if the population density were similar to Earth's, but that's probably at the extreme low for an estimate of a civilization capable of building it in the first place.

Revelation34 posted...

I never said anything about numbers. Lucas himself said the expanded universe was canon.

Except... no, he didn't.
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darkknight109 posted...

Revelation34 posted...

I never said anything about numbers. Lucas himself said the expanded universe was canon.

Except... no, he didn't.

Except he did.
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Red_Frog posted...

While the Dyson Sphere encountered by the Enterprise D was abandoned, it had a diameter of 200 million km.

There's a post on reddit that guesses about 4.2 quintillion people if the population density were similar to Earth's, but that's probably at the extreme low for an estimate of a civilization capable of building it in the first place.

Completely forgotten about that. Given the amount of resources to construct something that massive, I'd imagine their civilization musta spanned thousands, if not tens of thousands, of worlds.
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InfestedAdam posted...

Red_Frog posted...

While the Dyson Sphere encountered by the Enterprise D was abandoned, it had a diameter of 200 million km.

There's a post on reddit that guesses about 4.2 quintillion people if the population density were similar to Earth's, but that's probably at the extreme low for an estimate of a civilization capable of building it in the first place.

Completely forgotten about that. Given the amount of resources to construct something that massive, I'd imagine their civilization musta spanned thousands, if not tens of thousands, of worlds.

That is my problem with Dyson Spheres, the amount of Resources required just makes me think it would be impossible to actually build. There is no way there is enough usuable materials within the Sol system to build one to fit our sun. Excluding the sun, i dont think there would be enough matter to make one even (if we could use all matter)
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Ogurisama posted...

i dont think there would be enough matter to make one even (if we could use all matter)

Aye. If we use our Earth and Sun as an example, per Google it takes about 1.3 million Earths just to fill-up the Sun. That's just to fill-up and not encompass and it is unlikely 100% of a planet can be used. So my guess of tens of thousand of worlds is already way off.
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Revelation34 posted...

darkknight109 posted...

Revelation34 posted...

I never said anything about numbers. Lucas himself said the expanded universe was canon.

Except... no, he didn't.

Except he did.

No, he really didn't.

"There are two worlds here. There's my world, which is the movies, and there's this other world that has been created, which I say is the parallel universethe licensing world of the books, games and comic books. They don't intrude on my world, which is a select period of time, [but] they do intrude in between the movies. I don't get too involved in the parallel universe." - George Lucas, 2001

"I don't read that stuff. I haven't read any of the novels. I don't know anything about that world. That's a different world than my world." - George Lucas, 2005

But there's no story past Episode VI, there's just no story. It's a certain story about Anakin Skywalker and once Anakin Skywalker dies, that's kind of the end of the story. - George Lucas, 2008

In terms of comments from other people in Lucasfilm:

"When it comes to absolute canon, the real story of Star Wars, you must turn to the films themselves -and only the films."- Chris Cerasi, 2001

"The only relevant official continuities are the current versions of the films alone, and the combined current version of the films along with whatever else we've got in the Holocron. You're never going to know what George's view of the universe beyond the films at any given time because it is constantly evolving." - Leland Chee, 2006 (worth noting that Chee was the guy Lucas hired to oversee canonicity in the Star Wars brand, so this is literally his job).
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InfestedAdam posted...

Ogurisama posted...

i dont think there would be enough matter to make one even (if we could use all matter)

Aye. If we use our Earth and Sun as an example, per Google it takes about 1.3 million Earths just to fill-up the Sun. That's just to fill-up and not encompass and it is unlikely 100% of a planet can be used. So my guess of tens of thousand of worlds is already way off.

Dyson rings and Dyson swarms are at least more plausible logistically. Spheres and Matroshka Brains are pushing the boundaries of what's even theoretically possible.
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