Current Events > A-bombs contributed nothing to ending WW2 and were known to be unnecessary

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csDKShn0cQI

Japan was already about to surrender. All the powers knew this at the time.

side note: the U.S. carried out a 1,400-plane bombing raid on Japan, the largest in history, *after* the bombs were dropped and *after* the Japanese had publicly surrendered, but before the official surrender had been received

everyone not in US knows. as this is history.

US schools teach alternate history though.
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It's war.
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Why does everyone care about the abombs and not the tons of conventional bombs that killed more people?

In retrospect Im sure Japan regrets siding with the Nazis.

Complete_Idi0t posted...

Why does everyone care about the abombs and not the tons of conventional bombs that killed more people?

They should care about both. the a-bombs are the ones with an important myth surrounding them based on a lie
the others are just forgotten

All bombs are fucking bad. Tbh, it's pretty op too. Why the fuck isn't God nerfing this shit?
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They were about to surrender yet they did not after the first....
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medzz posted...

They were about to surrender yet they did not after the first....

And took a month to surrender after the second.
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medzz posted...

They were about to surrender yet they did not after the first....

this

They were about to surrender to Russia, IIRC. The US bombed them to force a surrender against us because they thought it would produce more favorable terms and limit Russia's influence in the region. I can't even really imagine what a Russia dominated Japan would look like today if it actually went down that way.
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Japan actually spent the last months of the war trying to get the Soviets to intervene and force a peace deal favorable to them.

A country ready to surrender generally does that after their allies have been knocked out of the war, their navy destroyed and 90% of their cities leveled by conventional bombings.

Oh great, we're still doing this
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I mean you mess with US and you are gonna get REKT. History has shown this to be true
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Downfall
The purple hearts minted for the land invasion of Japan finally ran out sometime around 2000, mostly due to wear from laying around in a warehouse for five decades.

s0nicfan posted...

They were about to surrender to Russia, IIRC. The US bombed them to force a surrender against us because they thought it would produce more favorable terms and limit Russia's influence in the region. I can't even really imagine what a Russia dominated Japan would look like today if it actually went down that way.

Russia didn't get involved in the war against Japan until after Hiroshima. Limiting Soviet influence was a factor in the decision-making process, though. It arguably set up a position where they weren't comfortable going after all of Korea, so you definitely could make the argument that it prevented the split of Japan and saved South Korea from the Kim system.
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People still bitch about the nukes but never seem to mention the fire bombings and regular bombings done for years and years.
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RE_expert44 posted...

People still bitch about the nukes but never seem to mention the fire bombings and regular bombings done for years and years.

Go look up what happened to Dresden.

Questionmarktarius posted...

RE_expert44 posted...

People still bitch about the nukes but never seem to mention the fire bombings and regular bombings done for years and years.

Go look up what happened to Dresden.

What about it?
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RE_expert44 posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

RE_expert44 posted...

People still bitch about the nukes but never seem to mention the fire bombings and regular bombings done for years and years.

Go look up what happened to Dresden.

What about it?

It had the everloving fuck bombed the fuck out of it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1994-041-07%2C_Dresden%2C_zerst%C3%B6rtes_Stadtzentrum.jpg

RE_expert44 posted...

People still bitch about the nukes but never seem to mention the fire bombings and regular bombings done for years and years.

It was like the hypocrisy of the US President publicly deriding the usage of chemical weapons in a country as weapons of death, that the US has been bombing with drones for a decade.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

RE_expert44 posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

RE_expert44 posted...

People still bitch about the nukes but never seem to mention the fire bombings and regular bombings done for years and years.

Go look up what happened to Dresden.

What about it?

It had the everloving fuck bombed the fuck out of it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1994-041-07%2C_Dresden%2C_zerst%C3%B6rtes_Stadtzentrum.jpg

What does that have to do with nukes in Japan compared to the bombings that happened before?
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RE_expert44 posted...

What does that have to do with nukes in Japan compared to the bombings that happened before?

There's not a hell of a lot of difference between the aftermaths of Dresden and Hiroshima, other than Dresden taking much longer to obliterate.

Questionmarktarius posted...

RE_expert44 posted...

People still bitch about the nukes but never seem to mention the fire bombings and regular bombings done for years and years.

Go look up what happened to Dresden.

I've been there. There's a church in the middle of the city that's sort of checker board looking. It has random black blocks. Turns out those were blocks that were scorched black in the firebombing that were recovered when they rebuilt it, and left scorched as a reminder.
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US commuted genocide, the winners write history though.
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RE_expert44 posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

RE_expert44 posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

RE_expert44 posted...

People still bitch about the nukes but never seem to mention the fire bombings and regular bombings done for years and years.

Go look up what happened to Dresden.

What about it?

It had the everloving fuck bombed the fuck out of it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1994-041-07%2C_Dresden%2C_zerst%C3%B6rtes_Stadtzentrum.jpg

What does that have to do with nukes in Japan compared to the bombings that happened before?

It's just equating bombs vs a bomb...and yes, more people died in Tokyo with firebombing against both a bomb attacks. Either way, you weren't around back then, you can use your perspective now on it, it was a horrible decision to make but it was made with the winning sides interest in mind. It showed the power of the new weapon and cut what the losses would of been in an invasion of mainland Japan.

The country spent ALOT of money in it's development, of course they were going to use it when it became available. If Germany hadn't surrendered and was still actively at war they would of been atomic bombed too.
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Omnislasher posted...

Japan was already about to surrender. All the powers knew this at the time.

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Questionmarktarius posted...

RE_expert44 posted...

What does that have to do with nukes in Japan compared to the bombings that happened before?

There's not a hell of a lot of difference between the aftermaths of Dresden and Hiroshima, other than Dresden taking much longer to obliterate.

Well they were both very different areas. Both got fucked and took years to rebuild. Reminders of both events still exist to this day. Yet how often do you hear people complain about the brutality of what happened there? Maybe 1 out of every 500 complaints about the nuking of japan
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s0nicfan posted...

. I can't even really imagine what a Russia dominated Japan would look like today if it actually went down that way.

Well imagine if you will, more people and less memorials.
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iron jojo posted...

s0nicfan posted...

. I can't even really imagine what a Russia dominated Japan would look like today if it actually went down that way.

Well imagine if you will, more people and less memorials.

Don't be obtuse. They've had over 70 years of economic development based in part on a very close strategic alliance with the US. It'd be more than just "more people", and if you consider what communism did in terms of body count in both Russia and China, it might not even be that.
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What people overlook more than anything: Russia broke neutrality and began waging war on Japan on the same day (but earlier in the day) as the second nuclear bomb hit.

When Japan's officials made the decision to surrender, they knew about Hiroshima - they had already reacted to it saying "those are awful bombs, but we can endure several more of them, we doubt the US has many more of them anyway" (and they were correct with that last part). They knew about Russia breaking neutrality. Although Nagasaki had happened by this time, the officials making the surrender decision were not yet aware of it when they made their decision.

Pretty obvious what was the deciding factor, then.
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this topic is factually inaccurate
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Russia was about to set their sights on Japan and we couldn't let the world see them win our front of the war. We had to whip our cocks out and raze the land before russia or japan even knew what was next. Really fucked up.
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Crying on how bad the abombs were when Japan slaughtered millions of people across Southeast Asia.

0 sympathy given.
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R0ttedHorror posted...

Russia was about to set their sights on Japan and we couldn't let the world see them win our front of the war. We had to whip our cocks out and raze the land before russia or japan even knew what was next. Really fucked up.

japan was arguably as evil as the nazis when dealing with china and russia was brutal and barbaric, using the a bombs factually saved hundreds of thousands of lives
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andel posted...

R0ttedHorror posted...

Russia was about to set their sights on Japan and we couldn't let the world see them win our front of the war. We had to whip our cocks out and raze the land before russia or japan even knew what was next. Really fucked up.

japan was arguably as evil as the nazis when dealing with china and russia was brutal and barbaric, using the a bombs factually saved hundreds of thousands of lives

americans like to tell themselves that lie to justify being just as bad as the japanese in ww2
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RE_expert44 posted...

Well they were both very different areas. Both got fucked and took years to rebuild. Reminders of both events still exist to this day. Yet how often do you hear people complain about the brutality of what happened there? Maybe 1 out of every 500 complaints about the nuking of japan

Learning History in the UK, what we did to Dresden and the horror of it was covered rather extensively and isn't shied away from.
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Honestly they dropped the bombs on Japan because they were salty they didn't finish them in time to reasonably drop them on Germany but mostly to make an unnecessary point to Russia and any one else developing a nuclear weapons program
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ModLogic posted...

andel posted...

R0ttedHorror posted...

Russia was about to set their sights on Japan and we couldn't let the world see them win our front of the war. We had to whip our cocks out and raze the land before russia or japan even knew what was next. Really fucked up.

japan was arguably as evil as the nazis when dealing with china and russia was brutal and barbaric, using the a bombs factually saved hundreds of thousands of lives

americans like to tell themselves that lie to justify being just as bad as the japanese in ww2

But its true, a lot of the Japanese were responsible for some really horrible shit during WW2. Not trying to defend the US's A bombs though, those were horrible too, necessary or not.

tamashiini posted...

Honestly they dropped the bombs on Japan because they were salty they didn't finish them in time to reasonably drop them on Germany but mostly to make an unnecessary point to Russia and any one else developing a nuclear weapons program

How unnecessary was the point, though, truly? If not Hiroshima, which city would have been the first destroyed by an atomic bomb? Seoul? Pyongyang? Beijing?
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Maybe if Japan hadn't started shit they wouldn't have got hit
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All good points, I guess.

And it's a lot easier to make this call 73 years later with what we know now.
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ModLogic posted...

andel posted...

R0ttedHorror posted...

Russia was about to set their sights on Japan and we couldn't let the world see them win our front of the war. We had to whip our cocks out and raze the land before russia or japan even knew what was next. Really fucked up.

japan was arguably as evil as the nazis when dealing with china and russia was brutal and barbaric, using the a bombs factually saved hundreds of thousands of lives

americans like to tell themselves that lie to justify being just as bad as the japanese in ww2

you trying to ignore history doesn't change it, japan committed untold atrocities in ww2
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Wasn't alive at the time and don't know anyone who had lived or now lives there.
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s0nicfan posted...

They were about to surrender to Russia, IIRC. The US bombed them to force a surrender against us because they thought it would produce more favorable terms and limit Russia's influence in the region. I can't even really imagine what a Russia dominated Japan would look like today if it actually went down that way.

This.

That's the part people get confused about

The US did not bomb the shit out of Japan to "protect US soldiers from a brutal ground war" the US government does not and never has given a single fuck about soldiers.

They did it because they feared Russia
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