Current Events > Democrat campaign staffers unionize in time for 2018 elections. RIP Democrats.

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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-12/campaign-workers-unionize-just-in-time-for-mid-term-elections

Several Democratic congressional campaigns have agreed to bargain collectively with the Campaign Workers Guild, a new union trying to organize election campaign staff in what may be a first for national politics.

The CWG announced Monday that it had secured a union contract with the campaign of Wisconsin activist Randy Bryce, the leading Democratic challenger to Republican House Speaker Paul Ryan in this years midterm elections.

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Among the issues the union said it seeks to take on are hours that approach eighty per week and wages that are below $15 an hour.

Under the agreement with Bryces campaign, workers will get paid time off and earn at least $3,000 per month. The negotiated contract covers eight employees and includes a third-party reporting process for sexual harassment and monthly health insurance reimbursement of up to $500, the campaign said. Randy is a candidate who practices what he preaches, said Bryce spokeswoman Lauren Hitt.

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Honestly that seems fair.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/04/14/somebody-just-put-a-price-tag-on-the-2016-election-its-a-doozy/?utm_term=.261fc1073fbe

The final price tag for the 2016 election is in: $6.5 billion for the presidential and congressional elections combined, according to campaign finance watchdog OpenSecrets.org.

The presidential contest primaries and all accounts for $2.4 billion of that total. The other $4 billion or so went to congressional races.

They can afford to pay their people, and the dems in particular should be willing to put the money where their #fightforfifteen mouths are.
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s0nicfan posted...

and the dems in particular should be willing to put the money where their #fightforfifteen mouths are.

This. Although the Dems generally have a trend of "what we say and what we do are two different things" - for example, ever notice how for all they go on about how people shouldn't feel negative about living near minorities, a lot of them live in fenced-off, white-only communities?
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s0nicfan posted...

Honestly that seems fair.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/04/14/somebody-just-put-a-price-tag-on-the-2016-election-its-a-doozy/?utm_term=.261fc1073fbe

The final price tag for the 2016 election is in: $6.5 billion for the presidential and congressional elections combined, according to campaign finance watchdog OpenSecrets.org.

The presidential contest primaries and all accounts for $2.4 billion of that total. The other $4 billion or so went to congressional races.

They can afford to pay their people, and the dems in particular should be willing to put the money where their #fightforfifteen mouths are.

I don't dispute that they're actually living up to what they preach for once.

I'm pointing out though that no union post-1955 has ever gone into an industry and made it work better than it had before.
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More employees should unionize. As someone that worked in a union job, they are awesome. The job sucked, but the union made it bearable. The employer otherwise can dick you around any way he wants. The union gives the employee some protection against abusive practices.
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Nomadic View posted...

More employees should unionize. As someone that worked in a union job, they are awesome. The job sucked, but the union made it bearable. The employer otherwise can dick you around any way he wants. The union gives the employee some protection against abusive practices.

You know that employment laws exist now, right? Or are you posting from the 1930's?
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3 grand a month doesn't seem unreasonable while working 80 hours a week.
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I've never bothered to join unions in any job I've had, despite working in pretty unionized workplaces. Most of them literally didn't offer any benefits that weren't applicable to non-members. There was one where union workers got a slightly higher pay... except that the union fees were more than the value of this extra pay.
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Mal_Fet posted...

Nomadic View posted...

More employees should unionize. As someone that worked in a union job, they are awesome. The job sucked, but the union made it bearable. The employer otherwise can dick you around any way he wants. The union gives the employee some protection against abusive practices.

You know that employment laws exist now, right? Or are you posting from the 1930's?

Of course. The employer still has all the power in an employer employee relationship. The employee has rights, sure, but as far as things like forcing you to come in on your day off or working over the employer always have the upper hand. Unions help level the playing field so the employees arent taken advantage of.
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Resident doctors work over 80 hours for week for dirt on top of debt.

These people are a bunch of bitches.
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megamanfreakXD posted...

Resident doctors work over 80 hours for week for dirt on top of debt.

These people are a bunch of bitches.

Should they not get paid more too?
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Nomadic View posted...

Of course. The employer still has all the power in an employer employee relationship. The employee has rights, sure, but as far as things like forcing you to come in on your day off or working over the employer always have the upper hand. Unions help level the playing field so the employees arent taken advantage of.

yeah
like, unions can be really annoying to work with and sure most of the larger issues are now protected by law. but employers can and will fuck you over
given everything being equal, i'd side with the little guy over the big company
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megamanfreakXD posted...

Resident doctors work over 80 hours for week for dirt on top of debt.

These people are a bunch of bitches.

A person should look at this and think, "maybe residents should get protections that allow them to sleep more and get higher pay with lower debt" and not "lets drag others down for our choices"
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Hinakuluiau posted...

megamanfreakXD posted...

Resident doctors work over 80 hours for week for dirt on top of debt.

These people are a bunch of bitches.

A person should look at this and think, "maybe residents should get protections that allow them to sleep more and get higher pay with lower debt" and not "lets drag others down for our choices"

Lol yeah, let those patients die in the waiting room because the residents can't be bothered to come in when on-call.

Thanks, unions!
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Nomadic View posted...

Of course. The employer still has all the power in an employer employee relationship. The employee has rights, sure, but as far as things like forcing you to come in on your day off or working over the employer always have the upper hand. Unions help level the playing field so the employees arent taken advantage of.

If you don't want a job that can have you come in on your days off then don't accept that job....

Employer: Do what I ask and I'll pay you.
Employee: Ok.
Employer: Now do this for me.
Employee: No.
Employer: Ok, I won't pay you any more then
Union: Objection! How dare you stop paying your employee when they stop meeting the conditions under which you agreed to pay them???
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Mal_Fet posted...

Nomadic View posted...

Of course. The employer still has all the power in an employer employee relationship. The employee has rights, sure, but as far as things like forcing you to come in on your day off or working over the employer always have the upper hand. Unions help level the playing field so the employees arent taken advantage of.

If you don't want a job that can have you come in on your days off then don't accept that job....

Employer: Do what I ask and I'll pay you.
Employee: Ok.
Employer: Now do this for me.
Employee: No.
Employer: Ok, I won't pay you any more then
Union: Objection! How dare you stop paying your employee when they stop meeting the conditions under which you agreed to pay them???

reductio ad absurdum

Youre arguing like a liberal. Come on, Mal, youre better than that. Argue the actual context of what I said.
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megamanfreakXD posted...

Resident doctors work over 80 hours for week for dirt on top of debt.

These people are a bunch of bitches.

Sounds like doctors need to unionize. "These people get fucked and just deal with it" is not exactly an argument in favor of a thing.
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Unions are just one more form of systematic control. If my employer trusts me, I dont need some bureaucratic officials telling me to piss in a cup. Im good on having an outside organization gum up my employer-employee relations

I dont really think unions are nearly as necessary now, with modern workplace reforms.
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Mal_Fet posted...

Nomadic View posted...

Of course. The employer still has all the power in an employer employee relationship. The employee has rights, sure, but as far as things like forcing you to come in on your day off or working over the employer always have the upper hand. Unions help level the playing field so the employees arent taken advantage of.

If you don't want a job that can have you come in on your days off then don't accept that job....

Employer: Do what I ask and I'll pay you.
Employee: Ok.
Employer: Now do this for me.
Employee: No.
Employer: Ok, I won't pay you any more then
Union: Objection! How dare you stop paying your employee when they stop meeting the conditions under which you agreed to pay them???

Or here's a wild idea: We don't let employers fuck over their employees and we can save a lot of trouble.
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southcoast09 posted...

Unions are just one more form of systematic control. If my employer trusts me, I dont need some bureaucratic officials telling me to piss in a cup. Im good on having an outside organization gum up my employer-employee relations

I dont really think unions are nearly as necessary now, with modern workplace reforms.

You don't even have a fucking job lol, you have no idea what the "modern workplace" is like
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The bad and greedy unions gave the others a bad name.
Having an agreement, that's right, the employer agrees to the terms as well, its not an inherently negative thing. It gives the employees the right to negotiate and more protection from abuse. Unless you own the company you work for, what's wrong with a more level playing field?
If both sides are doing well, everyone is better off. If not, take it up at negotiation
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DarkTransient posted...

s0nicfan posted...

and the dems in particular should be willing to put the money where their #fightforfifteen mouths are.

This. Although the Dems generally have a trend of "what we say and what we do are two different things" - for example, ever notice how for all they go on about how people shouldn't feel negative about living near minorities, a lot of them live in fenced-off, white-only communities?

Yeah, I've always wondered this. So many rich Hollywood liberals who speak out against "the wall" live in gated, secured neighborhoods. So do many politicians. Nancy Pelosi wouldn't even dream of having a house along the Mexico-Texas border.

"Oh no, my job is in Washington", she'd say.
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Bio1590 posted...

southcoast09 posted...

Unions are just one more form of systematic control. If my employer trusts me, I dont need some bureaucratic officials telling me to piss in a cup. Im good on having an outside organization gum up my employer-employee relations

I dont really think unions are nearly as necessary now, with modern workplace reforms.

You don't even have a fucking job lol, you have no idea what the "modern workplace" is like

Why do you think that? Youre just mad because I said it about you, as a joke, a long time ago. You got really defensive and started posting pictures of your computer screen, as if that somehow proved anything.

You dont even live in this country.
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Capn Circus posted...

DarkTransient posted...

s0nicfan posted...

and the dems in particular should be willing to put the money where their #fightforfifteen mouths are.

This. Although the Dems generally have a trend of "what we say and what we do are two different things" - for example, ever notice how for all they go on about how people shouldn't feel negative about living near minorities, a lot of them live in fenced-off, white-only communities?

Yeah, I've always wondered this. So many rich Hollywood liberals who speak out against "the wall" live in gated, secured neighborhoods. So do many politicians. Nancy Pelosi wouldn't even dream of having a house along the Mexico-Texas border.

"Oh no, my job is in Washington", she'd say.

As do many rich conservatives.

Its like this has nothing to do with the conversation and is just lets bash liberals!

Hilarious and expected.
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southcoast09 posted...

Bio1590 posted...

southcoast09 posted...

Unions are just one more form of systematic control. If my employer trusts me, I dont need some bureaucratic officials telling me to piss in a cup. Im good on having an outside organization gum up my employer-employee relations

I dont really think unions are nearly as necessary now, with modern workplace reforms.

You don't even have a fucking job lol, you have no idea what the "modern workplace" is like

Why do you think that? Youre just mad because I said it about you, as a joke, a long time ago. You got really defensive and started posting pictures of your computer screen, as if that somehow proved anything.

You dont even live in this country.

And you dont know what globalism is but you hate it. You shouldnt be talking and trying to put anyone down when all you do is shitpost.
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Oh, gosh. Its the guy who refuses to grasp the concept of globalism vs nationalism... great...
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southcoast09 posted...

Oh, gosh. Its the guy who refuses to grasp the concept of globalism vs nationalism... great...

You literally said we should stop our globalist trade deals with people like Canada, Mexico, Britain, etc and instead make totally not globalist trade deals with countries like Russia. All trade deals with other countries is globalism.
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southcoast09 posted...

Oh, gosh. Its the guy who refuses to grasp the concept of globalism vs nationalism... great...

Youve repeatedly shown that you simply believe whatever you want to, facts be damned. You are about as unreliable a source as possible.

Trump won over 50% of the popular vote, guys! Fucking lol.
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This is what globalism is, straight from its Wikipedia:
The word itself came into widespread usage, first and foremost in the United States, from the early 1940s.[5] This was the period when US global power was at its peak: the country was the greatest economic power the world had ever known, with the greatest military machine in human history.[6] As George Kennan's Policy Planning Staff put it in February 1948: "[W]e have about 50% of the world's wealth but only 6.3% of its population. [] Our real task in the coming period is to devise a pattern of relationships which will permit us to maintain this position of disparity".[7] America's allies and foes in Eurasia were suffering the dreadful effects of World War II at this time.

In their position of unprecedented power, US planners formulated policies to shape the kind of postwar world they wanted, which, in economic terms, meant a globe-spanning capitalist order centered exclusively upon the United States

Do you see, now? Its meddling in other nations affairs. It has nothing to do with isolationism.
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http://www.dictionary.com/browse/globalism?s=t

globalism
[gloh-buh-liz-uh m]
noun
the attitude or policy of placing the interests of the entire world above those of individual nations.

Fucking shut the fuck up with your Wikipedia bullshit.
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Wikipedia is guaranteed to send liberals into a tizzy. See absolutezeros previous post.

Reeee! Wikipeeeeeedia!!!!!

Just admit that you made yourself look like a fool by talking shit. Explain to me how President Donald (America First) Trump is a globalist rather than a nationalist? Way to derail a topic with your sheer ignorance (same goes to bullet wing).

Did I miss something in the news when Wikipedia was officially declared a tool of the Trump Administration??
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southcoast09 posted...

Wikipedia is guaranteed to send liberals into a tizzy. See absolutezeros previous post.

Reeee! Wikipeeeeeedia!!!!!

Just admit that you made yourself look like a fool by talking shit. Explain to me how President Donald (America First) Trump is a globalist rather than a nationalist? Way to derail a topic with your sheer ignorance (same goes to bullet wing).

Did I miss something in the news when Wikipedia was officially declared a tool of the Trump Administration??

You realize Wikipedia is not a good primary source right? Theres a reason even high schools dont accept it as a source for papers.

Jesus Christ.
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southcoast09 posted...

Wikipedia is guaranteed to send liberals into a tizzy. See absolutezeros previous post.

Reeee! Wikipeeeeeedia!!!!!

Just admit that you made yourself look like a fool by talking shit. Explain to me how President Donald (America First) Trump is a globalist rather than a nationalist? Way to derail a topic with your sheer ignorance (same goes to bullet wing).

Did I miss something in the news when Wikipedia was officially declared a tool of the Trump Administration??

Wikipedia is actually a decently reliable source these days, although you still need to look into its underlying citations and not take everything at face value - its not a primary source, as sktgamer mentioned.

Speaking of sources, Im still interested in seeing your proof that Trump won over 50% of the popular vote in the election. Have you come up with anything besides your gut feeling yet, @southcoast09 ?
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Also to answer you question is that America First doesnt mean we have to be isolationists. Trump and his fan base , for some reason, believes that shifting trade deals from our traditional allies to ones like Russia will put America further. Its still globalism as you cant just isolate yourself in todays world and still be a major power. Name 1 country that doesnt have global trade deals and is a major power.
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I see that were changing the subject again? I could post the same proof that Ive posted before, but youd claim the sources werent legit because theyre not from cnn, etc etc and then the mods would just close the topic. So Ill just leave it at that, for now.
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southcoast09 posted...

I see that were changing the subject again? I could post the same proof that Ive posted before, but youd claim the sources werent legit because theyre not from cnn, etc etc and then the mods would just close the topic. So Ill just leave it at that, for now.

Waaaah I dont know what Im talking about.
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southcoast09 posted...

I see that were changing the subject again? I could post the same proof that Ive posted before, but youd claim the sources werent legit because theyre not from cnn, etc etc and then the mods would just close the topic. So Ill just leave it at that, for now.

I honestly never saw your supposed proof before, @southcoast09

I can only assume Alex Jones made the claim while ranting on InfoWars. Or perhaps it was from Stormfront?
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Multiple claims of anywhere between 30,000-800,000 illegitimate votes. Easily enough to guarantee that more legal voters chose Trump.
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southcoast09 posted...

Multiple claims of anywhere between 30,000-800,000 illegitimate votes. Easily enough to guarantee that more legal voters chose Trump.

Claims? Is there any proof to the claims? Or just something like Joe Voter claims to have seen 10 million illegal voters saying they voted for Hillary. That must mean there were 10 million illegal votes for Hillary!!!!

Dude just shut the fuck up and sit down.
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southcoast09 posted...

Multiple claims of anywhere between 30,000-800,000 illegitimate votes. Easily enough to guarantee that more legal voters chose Trump.

#1: Source?
#2: Even if the very highest part of their range was somehow true at 800K illegal votes, Hillary would still have won the popular vote by over two million.
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Yall can look it up. Every time I post proof, the topic gets shut down by the moderators.
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Bullet_Wing posted...

Again, LolCoast, you're trying to swallow your foot.

You know someones gone waaaaay off the deep end when you find yourself thinking man, I sure wish he was as reasonable as Caution999
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Glad to see you guys are still in denial. The thing that burns you up is that you know Trump is going to be President for the next seven years.
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