Current Events > Man tearfully admits he was almost a school shooter and explains why

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https://www.facebook.com/Nexton9NEWS/videos/544982175885521/

Powerful stuff. He says the main issues at play were of course his mental health and a lack of love, but also that if he had known how to access a rifle, that wouldve power-tripped him over the edge. Its an interesting and honest admission of the multiple layers to the discussion.

Obviously gun nuts are responding as expected in the comments (hes lying, hes an idiot, bullshit, gubment, etc) but for the more sane of us, its worth a listen.
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Mr_Biscuit posted...

hes lying, hes an idiot

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This guy's taking a big risk in saying that stuff IMO. Who knows what person in government that may want to have him locked up or sent to psych eval or something
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/colorado-father-writes-open-letter-after-parkland-massacre-i-was-n849726
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frozenshock posted...

This guy's taking a big risk in saying that stuff IMO. Who knows what person in government that may want to have him locked up or sent to psych eval or something

Nobody who believes in due process, meaning nobody that would still have a job.
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Mr_Biscuit posted...

Powerful stuff. He says the main issues at play were of course his mental health and a lack of love, but also that if he had known how to access a rifle, that wouldve power-tripped him over the edge. Its an interesting and honest admission of the multiple layers to the discussion.

Obviously gun nuts are responding as expected in the comments (hes lying, hes an idiot, bullshit, gubment, etc) but for the more sane of us, its worth a listen.

basically the same reaction you'll get from the other extreme if you barely imply with supportive statistics that youth on the verge of becoming school shooters could use more preventative sympathy....

especially since most of them are male and slacktivists don't like acknowledging that boys could use a lot of help too
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deupd_u posted...

Mr_Biscuit posted...

hes lying, hes an idiot

I mean, his story does reek of BS.
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Usual suspects being usual suspects ITT
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NonDairyMiltank posted...

Mr_Biscuit posted...

Powerful stuff. He says the main issues at play were of course his mental health and a lack of love, but also that if he had known how to access a rifle, that wouldve power-tripped him over the edge. Its an interesting and honest admission of the multiple layers to the discussion.

Obviously gun nuts are responding as expected in the comments (hes lying, hes an idiot, bullshit, gubment, etc) but for the more sane of us, its worth a listen.

basically the same reaction you'll get from the other extreme if you barely imply with supportive statistics that youth on the verge of becoming school shooters could use more preventative sympathy....

especially since most of them are male and slacktivists don't like acknowledging that boys could use a lot of help too

I have literally never once seen a liberal say we dont also need more mental health care
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Mr_Biscuit posted...

NonDairyMiltank posted...

Mr_Biscuit posted...

Powerful stuff. He says the main issues at play were of course his mental health and a lack of love, but also that if he had known how to access a rifle, that wouldve power-tripped him over the edge. Its an interesting and honest admission of the multiple layers to the discussion.

Obviously gun nuts are responding as expected in the comments (hes lying, hes an idiot, bullshit, gubment, etc) but for the more sane of us, its worth a listen.

basically the same reaction you'll get from the other extreme if you barely imply with supportive statistics that youth on the verge of becoming school shooters could use more preventative sympathy....

especially since most of them are male and slacktivists don't like acknowledging that boys could use a lot of help too

I have literally never once seen a liberal say we dont also need more mental health care

"for boys"

if you would have ended that sentence with "for boys" we would be on the same page and i have unfortunately met plenty of left leaning people who basically flat out said something along the lines of "no, girls are the ones who really need more help, boys just need more discipline"

boosting mental health care isn't even enough to really impact the issue on it's own anyway
changing society's perceptions on school bullying, problematic school policies, and dealing with boy issues down to the home level would

for every young man who lacks good work ethic and relationship potential there's people who ignored his issues and dismissed his need of help when he was a kid
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myzz007 posted...

deupd_u posted...

Mr_Biscuit posted...

hes lying, hes an idiot

NonDairyMiltank posted...

Mr_Biscuit posted...

NonDairyMiltank posted...

Mr_Biscuit posted...

Powerful stuff. He says the main issues at play were of course his mental health and a lack of love, but also that if he had known how to access a rifle, that wouldve power-tripped him over the edge. Its an interesting and honest admission of the multiple layers to the discussion.

Obviously gun nuts are responding as expected in the comments (hes lying, hes an idiot, bullshit, gubment, etc) but for the more sane of us, its worth a listen.

basically the same reaction you'll get from the other extreme if you barely imply with supportive statistics that youth on the verge of becoming school shooters could use more preventative sympathy....

especially since most of them are male and slacktivists don't like acknowledging that boys could use a lot of help too

I have literally never once seen a liberal say we dont also need more mental health care

"for boys"

if you would have ended that sentence with "for boys" we would be on the same page and i have unfortunately met plenty of left leaning people who basically flat out said something along the lines of "no, girls are the ones who really need more help, boys just need more discipline"

boosting mental health care isn't even enough to really impact the issue on it's own anyway
changing society's perceptions on school bullying, problematic school policies, and dealing with boy issues down to the home level would

for every young man who lacks good work ethic and relationship potential there's people who ignored his issues and dismissed his need of help when he was a kid

I dont follow. Just toughen up is the polar opposite of the liberal argument. If anything, liberals are always accused of being soft.

Are you confusing men need to be held accountable when theyre shitty with men shouldnt talk about their feelings?
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ToonLinkWithGun posted...

myzz007 posted...

deupd_u posted...

Mr_Biscuit posted...

hes lying, hes an idiot

If anyones looking for a shortlist of completely heartless asses...
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NonDairyMiltank posted...

"for boys"

if you would have ended that sentence with "for boys" we would be on the same page and i have unfortunately met plenty of left leaning people who basically flat out said something along the lines of "no, girls are the ones who really need more help, boys just need more discipline"

I mean, you can have your strawman if that makes you happy, but that is very much so not the case.
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Mr_Biscuit posted...

ToonLinkWithGun posted...

myzz007 posted...

deupd_u posted...

Mr_Biscuit posted...

hes lying, hes an idiot

If anyones looking for a shortlist of completely heartless assholes...

It's a well known fact around here that I am an asshole.

Mr_Biscuit posted...

ToonLinkWithGun posted...

myzz007 posted...

deupd_u posted...

Mr_Biscuit posted...

hes lying, hes an idiot

If anyones looking for a shortlist of completely heartless asses...

You have a heart in your ass?
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Mr_Biscuit posted...

I dont follow. Just toughen up is the polar opposite of the liberal argument. If anything, liberals are always accused of being soft.

Are you confusing men need to be held accountable when theyre s***ty with men shouldnt talk about their feelings?

i've generally noted that the left-leaning argument focuses on the concept of 'toxic masculinity' the context of how men need to change

when really it is both men and women who need to change in how they treat boys
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Darkman124 posted...

i've generally noted that the left-leaning argument focuses on the concept of 'toxic masculinity' the context of how men need to change

I mean, isn't toxic masculinity all about how cultural expectations of men are harmful to men's mental health?

I think the name makes people think it's an attack on their identity, but the gist is more or less the above, afaik.
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COVxy posted...

I mean, isn't toxic masculinity all about how cultural expectations of men are harmful to men's mental health?

yes. and in that framework it can be helpful.

but it is built on the assumption that cultural expectations of men are created entirely by men, per the overarching theory of patriarchy

which tends to lead to something analogous to telling a bullied child to stop hitting himself
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dolomedes posted...

NonDairyMiltank posted...

i have unfortunately met plenty of left leaning people who basically flat out said something along the lines of "no, girls are the ones who really need more help, boys just need more discipline"

this is so ridiculous you shouldn't even acknowledge it.

are you, by chance, a redpiller/incel?

no, but its not implying anything flattering about yourself when you jump to that conclusion just because i state a different opinion than you

some people think being a black lesbian college student working part time makes it impossible for me to date, but i manage so i ain't an "incel" thnx

and i'm not a subscriber to deep redpill ideology, but i do support both women's and men's rights equally cause i got friends and family who happen to be male, people kind of forget that you can be a feminist who ACTIVELY volunteers to help guys too, feminists who act high and mighty while being 100% about female issues only are a turn off to me cause i do better
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Darkman124 posted...

but it is built on the assumption that cultural expectations of men are created entirely by men, per the overarching theory of patriarchy

Idk, at least this hasn't come across explicitly to me. People talk about cultural expectations that span behavior across the sexes. Even the most prototypical idea of "manning up" is one that crosses across the sexes.
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oh god more feminist buzzwords.

pls stop
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Darkman dropping wisdom as usual.

Gun laws are only part of the problem. Ignore the rest and nothing really gets solved.
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COVxy posted...

Darkman124 posted...

but it is built on the assumption that cultural expectations of men are created entirely by men, per the overarching theory of patriarchy

Idk, at least this hasn't come across explicitly to me. People talk about cultural expectations that span behavior across the sexes. Even the most prototypical idea of "manning up" is one that crosses across the sexes.

i think we need to look towards what behaviors are incentivized in young men.

the notion that we can change their priorities is frequently what i hear floated, which is ridiculous. men respond to incentives and take risks accordingly, and always will.

it's easy to look at the behaviors incentivized by their male peers. it's hard to look at the behaviors incentivized by their female peers, because it means criticizing the choices of women when we're all about empowering women's freedom

but until we do i think a lot of the well-intentioned efforts in feminist circles addressing toxic masculinity will be viewed with a mixture of mistrust and hostility

the fact that it's women leading a discussion of what men need--and frequently with a focus on how it impacts women--doesn't help, either. to help men you need buy-in from men both in the effort and in the receipt of effort.

consider this NYT article written by a man. it mentions how toxic masculinity influences domestic violence and shootings, but totally leaves out how it influences suicides, despite flirting with mentioning this fact. it manages to do so without dropping the term, which helps, IMO, because right now the term itself is toxic for discussions.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/21/opinion/boys-violence-shootings-guns.html?smid=fb-share

suicide in men is a vastly more damaging overall problem than school shootings or domestic murder, in terms of total deaths. but it garners far less sympathy or social interest. probably mostly because the assailants are the victims, but also because the victims are men. we have a very different response to suicide in women.
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power trip is an interesting aspect.

It is human nature to abuse the power we are given.
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dolomedes posted...

NonDairyMiltank posted...

i do support both women's and men's rights equally cause i got friends and family who happen to be male, people kind of forget that you can be a feminist who ACTIVELY volunteers to help guys too, feminists who act high and mighty while being 100% about female issues only are a turn off to me cause i do better

i mean, destroying the patriarchy helps men, too

trying to do it by dealing exclusively with female issues while dismissing male issues doesn't

my abusive mother did that with my younger brother and now both her kids want nothin to do with her worthless sexist ass
she never let up about tryin to get me pregnant even tho i ain't hetero, gave me tons of slack cause she was hopin for grandkids
but she took her frustrations out on her son tellin him to man up and smackin him any time he failed or complained about pain
he didn't really have a childhood cause she kept forcing him to grow up sooner to replace our dumbass dead father
she kept smackin him around for a problem she was causing

i'm the reason he didn't break and end up in the news for shootin some place up
not that dumb entitled psycho bitch who dared to call herself a civil rights activist
so excuse me if i don't bow down just cause someone says they support women's rights
supporters of human rights who practice what they preach are better
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It wouldn't be hard to be a school shooter, children and teens are pretty horrible. It isn't hard for them to exclude and mock each other until one breaks.
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Mr_Biscuit posted...

NonDairyMiltank posted...

Mr_Biscuit posted...

NonDairyMiltank posted...

Mr_Biscuit posted...

Powerful stuff. He says the main issues at play were of course his mental health and a lack of love, but also that if he had known how to access a rifle, that wouldve power-tripped him over the edge. Its an interesting and honest admission of the multiple layers to the discussion.

Obviously gun nuts are responding as expected in the comments (hes lying, hes an idiot, bullshit, gubment, etc) but for the more sane of us, its worth a listen.

basically the same reaction you'll get from the other extreme if you barely imply with supportive statistics that youth on the verge of becoming school shooters could use more preventative sympathy....

especially since most of them are male and slacktivists don't like acknowledging that boys could use a lot of help too

I have literally never once seen a liberal say we dont also need more mental health care

"for boys"

if you would have ended that sentence with "for boys" we would be on the same page and i have unfortunately met plenty of left leaning people who basically flat out said something along the lines of "no, girls are the ones who really need more help, boys just need more discipline"

boosting mental health care isn't even enough to really impact the issue on it's own anyway
changing society's perceptions on school bullying, problematic school policies, and dealing with boy issues down to the home level would

for every young man who lacks good work ethic and relationship potential there's people who ignored his issues and dismissed his need of help when he was a kid

I dont follow. Just toughen up is the polar opposite of the liberal argument. If anything, liberals are always accused of being soft.

Are you confusing men need to be held accountable when theyre shitty with men shouldnt talk about their feelings?

They don't necessarily say "toughen up", but there is a ton of antagonism in progressive feminist circles toward men who want to talk about men's issues. Especially if they want to do it outside of the feminist bounds. They might not say "toughen up", but they're real quick to mock or dismiss those men with "male tears" or "oh it's so hard to be a man". That kind of thing is pretty common to see. If men do try to air their grievances within feminist conversation, they're dismissed; if they try to do it outside of the feminist conversation, they're protested and maligned.

dolomedes posted...

NonDairyMiltank posted...

i do support both women's and men's rights equally cause i got friends and family who happen to be male, people kind of forget that you can be a feminist who ACTIVELY volunteers to help guys too, feminists who act high and mighty while being 100% about female issues only are a turn off to me cause i do better

i mean, destroying the patriarchy helps men, too

This is the kind of thing feminists say when they don't want to do anything about men's issues. As if toppling the patriarchy will magically make things better for men too. But that isn't how they address women's issues, is it? They address those with activism and lobbying for specific women's issues to be actively addressed, both in the political and social spheres. But they spend almost no political, social, or monetary capital on addressing men's issues.

That's how it looks to me.
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Darkman124 posted...

i think we need to look towards what behaviors are incentivized in young men.

the notion that we can change their priorities is frequently what i hear floated, which is ridiculous. men respond to incentives and take risks accordingly, and always will.

it's easy to look at the behaviors incentivized by their male peers. it's hard to look at the behaviors incentivized by their female peers, because it means criticizing the choices of women when we're all about empowering women's freedom

I think this is fair, with the acknowledgment that the "action" part of this conversation is vague to begin with. I don't think too many conversations about toxic masculinity ever dwindle in the area of "what can we do about it", but moreover are stuck just conveying that the acknowledgement that cultural gender roles can be harmful to societies well being. I think nobody knows exactly what the hell to do, really, with the exception of easier targets. Like, it's easy to say that women should be provided paths into STEM, harder to say exactly how we should destigmatize the emotional displays of men, especially when it plays into so much within our society, from views of worth within groups of men and also from women.

Darkman124 posted...

consider this NYT article written by a man. it mentions how toxic masculinity influences domestic violence and shootings, but totally leaves out how it influences suicides, despite flirting with
mentioning this fact. it manages to do so without dropping the term, which helps, IMO, because right now the term itself is toxic for discussions.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/21/opinion/boys-violence-shootings-guns.html?smid=fb-share

suicide in men is a vastly more damaging overall problem than school shootings or domestic murder, in terms of total deaths. but it garners far less sympathy or social interest. probably mostly because the assailants are the victims, but also because the victims are men. we have a very different response to suicide in women.

We're completely in agreement here. I actually think it's interesting to consider school shootings within regards to hidden depression in men. I mean, certainly depression is one of the most common traits within the profile of school shooters.
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COVxy posted...

NonDairyMiltank posted...

"for boys"

if you would have ended that sentence with "for boys" we would be on the same page and i have unfortunately met plenty of left leaning people who basically flat out said something along the lines of "no, girls are the ones who really need more help, boys just need more discipline"

I mean, you can have your strawman if that makes you happy, but that is very much so not the case.

Is it, though? There are definitely people who laugh or are offended when its brought up that boys are starting to be marginalized in schools and that there are numerous support groups for women but almost none nationwide for men. Raising concerns that men have is not uncommonly mocked as just being some MRA propaganda or systemic misogyny.
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

COVxy posted...

NonDairyMiltank posted...

"for boys"

if you would have ended that sentence with "for boys" we would be on the same page and i have unfortunately met plenty of left leaning people who basically flat out said something along the lines of "no, girls are the ones who really need more help, boys just need more discipline"

I mean, you can have your strawman if that makes you happy, but that is very much so not the case.

Is it, though? There are definitely people who laugh or are offended when its brought up that boys are starting to be marginalized in schools and that there are numerous support groups for women but almost none nationwide for men. Raising concerns that men have is not uncommonly mocked as just being some MRA propaganda or systemic misogyny.

A little more ammunition for you: last I checked, there was only one domestic violence shelter for men in the US. It's in Arkansas.

Also, the most popular model for addressing domestic violence, the Duluth Model, is based on the notion that men's violence against women is structurally supported by society and that women's violence against men is trivial and almost only in self defense. Because men, as a class, use violence to control women as a class.

They seem to handwaved away domestic violence within same-sex couples as being different because of societal oppression. Because reasons.
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ALIEN_WORK2HOP posted...

power trip is an interesting aspect.

It is human nature to abuse the power we are given.

Yup. Thats an aspect of it that gun folks dont particularly like talking about; the ability to just mow people down in a horrid display of perceived vengeance is more appealing to those types.
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COVxy posted...

I think this is fair, with the acknowledgment that the "action" part of this conversation is vague to begin with. I don't think too many conversations about toxic masculinity ever dwindle in the area of "what can we do about it", but moreover are stuck just conveying that the acknowledgement that cultural gender roles can be harmful to societies well being. I think nobody knows exactly what the hell to do, really, with the exception of easier targets. Like, it's easy to say that women should be provided paths into STEM, harder to say exactly how we should destigmatize the emotional displays of men, especially when it plays into so much within our society, from views of worth within groups of men and also from women.

Yep. With the longer portion of time that women's issues have been part of our cultural zeitgeist, we've had time to puzzle out potential solutions. Less so for men.

COVxy posted...

We're completely in agreement here. I actually think it's interesting to consider school shootings within regards to hidden depression in men. I mean, certainly depression is one of the most common traits within the profile of school shooters.

Yep! Depression is just anger turned inward.

I know this well as someone with anger turned outward towards literally everything. I see red all day every day, and it's much to do with why I don't drink anymore. It does occasionally turn toward myself, which helps me get a sense of its intensity and motivates me to find constructive outlets for it.
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What an idiotic liar.
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R.I.P. Man tearfully
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