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Anarchy_Juiblex 02/22/18 11:01:48 AM #51:	Balrog0 posted... I don't understand the analogy. My point is lumping suicides in with murders it no more useful that lumping in the deaths of a foreign invader. It makes a statistic that's useless. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:896558019] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>I don't understand the analogy.</quote> My point is lumping suicides in with murders it no more useful that lumping in the deaths of a foreign invader. It makes a statistic that's useless.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
APM 02/22/18 11:03:22 AM #52:	Well gun deaths also include suicide by guns. Also numbers would be lower if there were less of those people --- https://imgur.com/a/9W9Yy <cite>APM posted [p:896558100] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote>Well gun deaths also include suicide by guns. Also numbers would be lower if there were less of those people</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 02/22/18 11:03:54 AM #53:	voldothegr8 posted... Funkydog posted... If they did find it so reprehensible, they would support efforts into trying to stop it. I support tougher security for entering schools which for some reason still hasn't happened. Why hasn't that happened? Is that all your support? What about stopping people who shouldn't have guns from having them? What kind of security are you suggesting? --- http://i.imgur.com/BGbZK.gif <cite>Funkydog posted [p:896558130] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Funkydog posted...</cite> <quote> If they did find it so reprehensible, they would support efforts into trying to stop it.</quote> I support tougher security for entering schools which for some reason still hasn't happened. Why hasn't that happened?</quote> Is that all your support? What about stopping people who shouldn't have guns from having them? What kind of security are you suggesting?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 02/22/18 11:04:37 AM #54:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... My point is lumping suicides in with murders it no more useful that lumping in the deaths of a foreign invader. It makes a statistic that's useless. I still don't understand lol You're just reiterating that you don't want to talk about gun suicides and gun murders in the same topic. But you said you didn't care about gun deaths, period. Your position makes no sense. If you don't care about 'voluntary deaths' like suicide then guns become a much bigger problem. In terms of leading causes of involuntary deaths, they are probably right below the entire category of 'accidents' which includes gun accidents. I suppose vehicular crashes would be up there too. --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:896558163] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote> My point is lumping suicides in with murders it no more useful that lumping in the deaths of a foreign invader. It makes a statistic that's useless.</quote> I still don't understand lol You're just reiterating that you don't want to talk about gun suicides and gun murders in the same topic. But you said you didn't care about gun deaths, period. Your position makes no sense. If you don't care about 'voluntary deaths' like suicide then guns become a much bigger problem. In terms of leading causes of involuntary deaths, they are probably right below the entire category of 'accidents' which includes gun accidents. I suppose vehicular crashes would be up there too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Uncle Choad 02/22/18 11:05:43 AM #55:	Funkydog posted... voldothegr8 posted... Funkydog posted... If they did find it so reprehensible, they would support efforts into trying to stop it. I support tougher security for entering schools which for some reason still hasn't happened. Why hasn't that happened? Is that all your support? What about stopping people who shouldn't have guns from having them? What kind of security are you suggesting? What's the criteria of "who shouldn't have guns"? I support the idea as well, but I don't trust anybody anywhere to legislate that fairly. --- Oden ska fa sin hamnd. Jag ska doda er alla, sen ska jag dricka mjod med honom. <cite>Uncle Choad posted [p:896558222] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Funkydog posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Funkydog posted...</cite> <quote> If they did find it so reprehensible, they would support efforts into trying to stop it.</quote> I support tougher security for entering schools which for some reason still hasn't happened. Why hasn't that happened?</quote> Is that all your support? What about stopping people who shouldn't have guns from having them? What kind of security are you suggesting?</quote> What's the criteria of "who shouldn't have guns"? I support the idea as well, but I don't trust anybody anywhere to legislate that fairly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Steve Nick 02/22/18 11:06:31 AM #56:	There's about 8000 total gun murders per year in the USA. 80% of which are conducted by career criminals living in the drug-trade. That leaves about 2000 random gun murders per year from people who would be traditionally law abiding citizens. The focus should be on stopping the career criminals and the drug-trade. --- This is my signature. <cite>Steve Nick posted [p:896558258] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote>There's about 8000 total gun murders per year in the USA. 80% of which are conducted by career criminals living in the drug-trade. That leaves about 2000 random gun murders per year from people who would be traditionally law abiding citizens. The focus should be on stopping the career criminals and the drug-trade.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 02/22/18 11:07:00 AM #57:	Funkydog posted... What about stopping people who shouldn't have guns from having them? Who shouldn't have guns? Clearly define them. Also how do we check? Also still, how do we avoid false positives and needlessly strip the rights of people away? Also more stillerer, would you permanently shut the fuck up on guns after these changes or would we just be moving the goal post for later debates, weakening our position and rights against further attacks? --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:896558277] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Funkydog posted...</cite> <quote>What about stopping people who shouldn't have guns from having them?</quote> Who shouldn't have guns? Clearly define them. Also how do we check? Also still, how do we avoid false positives and needlessly strip the rights of people away? Also more stillerer, would you permanently shut the fuck up on guns after these changes or would we just be moving the goal post for later debates, weakening our position and rights against further attacks?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Uncle Choad 02/22/18 11:09:32 AM #58:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Funkydog posted... What about stopping people who shouldn't have guns from having them? Who shouldn't have guns? Clearly define them. Also how do we check? Also still, how do we avoid false positives and needlessly strip the rights of people away? Also more stillerer, would you permanently shut the fuck up on guns after these changes or would we just be moving the goal post for later debates, weakening our position and rights against further attacks? Sir, your blood test and family history show there's a chance you may develop brain cancer late in life. Sorry, but you are denied ever owning a firearm. Tell your friends to seek help with moderate depression, because we would like to deny them as well. --- Oden ska fa sin hamnd. Jag ska doda er alla, sen ska jag dricka mjod med honom. <cite>Uncle Choad posted [p:896558400] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Funkydog posted...</cite> <quote>What about stopping people who shouldn't have guns from having them?</quote> Who shouldn't have guns? Clearly define them. Also how do we check? Also still, how do we avoid false positives and needlessly strip the rights of people away? Also more stillerer, would you permanently shut the fuck up on guns after these changes or would we just be moving the goal post for later debates, weakening our position and rights against further attacks?</quote> Sir, your blood test and family history show there's a chance you may develop brain cancer late in life. Sorry, but you are denied ever owning a firearm. Tell your friends to seek help with moderate depression, because we would like to deny them as well.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 02/22/18 11:10:07 AM #59:	Uncle Choad posted... What's the criteria of "who shouldn't have guns"? I support the idea as well, but I don't trust anybody anywhere to legislate that fairly. I'm not saying it would be easy, but it is something that needs to be discussed. People with criminal history (pretty sure this is already a thing in America?) those with mental health issues (make it so you need to be certified by a doctor to be able to have a gun maybe?) Need to pass a course and have a license to hold a gun as well possibly? Have all guns on a register, that then need to be linked to a person's gun license when sold to show where they are going on. Give police/whoever ability to check up on this and anyone found not complying face severe fines, etc? Make it illegal to sell a gun by any means other than with a waiting list/background check first. These are likely all far from perfect, but it still needs to be discussed and for people to work out a way to do it. --- http://i.imgur.com/BGbZK.gif <cite>Funkydog posted [p:896558432] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Uncle Choad posted...</cite> <quote>What's the criteria of "who shouldn't have guns"? I support the idea as well, but I don't trust anybody anywhere to legislate that fairly. </quote> I'm not saying it would be easy, but it is something that needs to be discussed. People with criminal history (pretty sure this is already a thing in America?) those with mental health issues (make it so you need to be certified by a doctor to be able to have a gun maybe?) Need to pass a course and have a license to hold a gun as well possibly? Have all guns on a register, that then need to be linked to a person's gun license when sold to show where they are going on. Give police/whoever ability to check up on this and anyone found not complying face severe fines, etc? Make it illegal to sell a gun by any means other than with a waiting list/background check first. These are likely all far from perfect, but it still needs to be discussed and for people to work out a way to do it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 02/22/18 11:10:36 AM #60:	Steve Nick posted... The focus should be on stopping the career criminals and the drug-trade. Legalize weed, plus a host of changes not worth derailing the topic over. I have plenty of answers on reducing gun violence. Funny thing is, most of them are expanding rights. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:896558462] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Steve Nick posted...</cite> <quote>The focus should be on stopping the career criminals and the drug-trade.</quote> Legalize weed, plus a host of changes not worth derailing the topic over. I have plenty of answers on reducing gun violence. Funny thing is, most of them are expanding rights.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Uncle Choad 02/22/18 11:11:39 AM #61:	Funkydog posted... Uncle Choad posted... What's the criteria of "who shouldn't have guns"? I support the idea as well, but I don't trust anybody anywhere to legislate that fairly. I'm not saying it would be easy, but it is something that needs to be discussed. People with criminal history (pretty sure this is already a thing in America?) those with mental health issues (make it so you need to be certified by a doctor to be able to have a gun maybe?) Need to pass a course and have a license to hold a gun as well possibly? Have all guns on a register, that then need to be linked to a person's gun license when sold to show where they are going on. Give police/whoever ability to check up on this and anyone found not complying face severe fines, etc? These are likely all far from perfect, but it still needs to be discussed and for people to work out a way to do it. Imagine a land where doctors determine if you can exercise a right. --- Oden ska fa sin hamnd. Jag ska doda er alla, sen ska jag dricka mjod med honom. <cite>Uncle Choad posted [p:896558519] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Funkydog posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Uncle Choad posted...</cite> <quote>What's the criteria of "who shouldn't have guns"? I support the idea as well, but I don't trust anybody anywhere to legislate that fairly. </quote> I'm not saying it would be easy, but it is something that needs to be discussed. People with criminal history (pretty sure this is already a thing in America?) those with mental health issues (make it so you need to be certified by a doctor to be able to have a gun maybe?) Need to pass a course and have a license to hold a gun as well possibly? Have all guns on a register, that then need to be linked to a person's gun license when sold to show where they are going on. Give police/whoever ability to check up on this and anyone found not complying face severe fines, etc? These are likely all far from perfect, but it still needs to be discussed and for people to work out a way to do it.</quote> Imagine a land where doctors determine if you can exercise a right.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingCrabCake 02/22/18 11:12:59 AM #62:	I have tc tagged as "trolls gun owners" i see why now --- [Your sig sucks] Waaaaah <cite>KingCrabCake posted [p:896558590] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote>I have tc tagged as "trolls gun owners" i see why now</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 02/22/18 11:13:54 AM #63:	Uncle Choad posted... I support the idea as well, but I don't trust anybody anywhere to legislate that fairly. Needs due process. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:896558636] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Uncle Choad posted...</cite> <quote>I support the idea as well, but I don't trust anybody anywhere to legislate that fairly.</quote> Needs due process.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 02/22/18 11:14:55 AM #64:	Uncle Choad posted... Imagine a land where doctors determine if you can exercise a right. What solutions do you propose to stopping unhinged people getting legal access to weapons? --- http://i.imgur.com/BGbZK.gif <cite>Funkydog posted [p:896558689] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Uncle Choad posted...</cite> <quote>Imagine a land where doctors determine if you can exercise a right. </quote> What solutions do you propose to stopping unhinged people getting legal access to weapons?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Uncle Choad 02/22/18 11:15:13 AM #65:	People throw "troll" around on this board a lot. I only started even posting here because I'm sick of having the wrong opinion (lol Reddit) and therefore banned, but instead of posts having -50, you're just called a troll. "Troll" and the ignore feature will guarantee the survival of the echochamber. --- Oden ska fa sin hamnd. Jag ska doda er alla, sen ska jag dricka mjod med honom. <cite>Uncle Choad posted [p:896558698] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote>People throw "troll" around on this board a lot. I only started even posting here because I'm sick of having the wrong opinion (lol Reddit) and therefore banned, but instead of posts having -50, you're just called a troll. "Troll" and the ignore feature will guarantee the survival of the echochamber.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Uncle Choad 02/22/18 11:17:10 AM #66:	Funkydog posted... Uncle Choad posted... Imagine a land where doctors determine if you can exercise a right. What solutions do you propose to stopping unhinged people getting legal access to weapons? I'm probably hated by other gun owners, but I don't really mind the "if you make it to 21 without fucking your life up, you shouldn't have any restrictions to buying and owning guns". --- Oden ska fa sin hamnd. Jag ska doda er alla, sen ska jag dricka mjod med honom. <cite>Uncle Choad posted [p:896558814] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Funkydog posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Uncle Choad posted...</cite> <quote>Imagine a land where doctors determine if you can exercise a right. </quote> What solutions do you propose to stopping unhinged people getting legal access to weapons?</quote> I'm probably hated by other gun owners, but I don't really mind the "if you make it to 21 without fucking your life up, you shouldn't have any restrictions to buying and owning guns".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
l Dudeboy l 02/22/18 11:17:35 AM #67:	It's never going to happen because Americans value gun ownership more than childrens lives. --- You are now breathing manually. Lets put a little lead in the air, and see what falls over. <cite>l Dudeboy l posted [p:896558834] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote>It's never going to happen because Americans value gun ownership more than childrens lives.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 02/22/18 11:17:59 AM #68:	Uncle Choad posted... I'm probably hated by other gun owners, but I don't really mind the "if you make it to 21 without fucking your life up, you shouldn't have any restrictions to buying and owning guns". "Tiered adulthood" is a pretty bullshit concept, though. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:896558854] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Uncle Choad posted...</cite> <quote>I'm probably hated by other gun owners, but I don't really mind the "if you make it to 21 without fucking your life up, you shouldn't have any restrictions to buying and owning guns".</quote> "Tiered adulthood" is a pretty bullshit concept, though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingCrabCake 02/22/18 11:18:03 AM #69:	l Dudeboy l posted... It's never going to happen because Americans value gun ownership more than childrens lives. Nope --- [Your sig sucks] Waaaaah <cite>KingCrabCake posted [p:896558861] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>l Dudeboy l posted...</cite> <quote>It's never going to happen because Americans value gun ownership more than childrens lives.</quote> Nope</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 02/22/18 11:19:03 AM #70:	Questionmarktarius posted... Uncle Choad posted... I support the idea as well, but I don't trust anybody anywhere to legislate that fairly. Needs due process. I think it's fair to say convicted criminals had due process. Of course then we need to ask what sorts of crimes? Because with debtors prisons being a thing again, I really don't see how the left can in their minds justify these ideas. It's fucking mind boggling how they can hold these contrary ideas in their heads. Not pointing to anyone specifically so it may seem strawmanish but god damn the aesthetic of it is ridiculous. They (mostly rightly) have a trillion god damn things to bitch about with govt. overreach, the prison industry, the war on drugs . . . but the moment guns come into the fix, FORGET FUCKING EVERYTHING I'VE SAID AND STAND FOR. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:896558909] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Uncle Choad posted...</cite> <quote>I support the idea as well, but I don't trust anybody anywhere to legislate that fairly.</quote> Needs due process.</quote> I think it's fair to say convicted criminals had due process. Of course then we need to ask what sorts of crimes? Because with debtors prisons being a thing again, I really don't see how the left can in their minds justify these ideas. It's fucking mind boggling how they can hold these contrary ideas in their heads. Not pointing to anyone specifically so it may seem strawmanish but god damn the aesthetic of it is ridiculous. They (mostly rightly) have a trillion god damn things to bitch about with govt. overreach, the prison industry, the war on drugs . . . but the moment guns come into the fix, FORGET FUCKING EVERYTHING I'VE SAID AND STAND FOR.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 02/22/18 11:21:09 AM #71:	Uncle Choad posted... I'm probably hated by other gun owners, but I don't really mind the "if you make it to 21 without fucking your life up, you shouldn't have any restrictions to buying and owning guns". Well, what do you count as "fucking up your life"? --- http://i.imgur.com/BGbZK.gif <cite>Funkydog posted [p:896559011] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Uncle Choad posted...</cite> <quote>I'm probably hated by other gun owners, but I don't really mind the "if you make it to 21 without fucking your life up, you shouldn't have any restrictions to buying and owning guns". </quote> Well, what do you count as "fucking up your life"?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
l Dudeboy l 02/22/18 11:21:25 AM #72:	KingCrabCake posted... l Dudeboy l posted... It's never going to happen because Americans value gun ownership more than childrens lives. Nope Yep --- You are now breathing manually. Lets put a little lead in the air, and see what falls over. <cite>l Dudeboy l posted [p:896559021] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>l Dudeboy l posted...</cite> <quote>It's never going to happen because Americans value gun ownership more than childrens lives.</quote> Nope</quote> Yep</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Uncle Choad 02/22/18 11:32:53 AM #73:	Funkydog posted... Uncle Choad posted... I'm probably hated by other gun owners, but I don't really mind the "if you make it to 21 without fucking your life up, you shouldn't have any restrictions to buying and owning guns". Well, what do you count as "fucking up your life"? Being a convict or some shit like that. The more I think about it, though, the more I think I'm going to change my stance. Because that also opens the door of interpretation. Suspended from high school for fighting? Denied. When you can see where the mistrust starts, you'll learn why people are opposed to any measures regarding 'control'. --- Oden ska fa sin hamnd. Jag ska doda er alla, sen ska jag dricka mjod med honom. <cite>Uncle Choad posted [p:896559627] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Funkydog posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Uncle Choad posted...</cite> <quote>I'm probably hated by other gun owners, but I don't really mind the "if you make it to 21 without fucking your life up, you shouldn't have any restrictions to buying and owning guns". </quote> Well, what do you count as "fucking up your life"?</quote> Being a convict or some shit like that. The more I think about it, though, the more I think I'm going to change my stance. Because that also opens the door of interpretation. Suspended from high school for fighting? Denied. When you can see where the mistrust starts, you'll learn why people are opposed to any measures regarding 'control'.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Uncle Choad 02/22/18 11:33:23 AM #74:	l Dudeboy l posted... It's never going to happen because Americans value gun ownership more than childrens lives. "I make things up to pretend that I just proved a point!" --- Oden ska fa sin hamnd. Jag ska doda er alla, sen ska jag dricka mjod med honom. <cite>Uncle Choad posted [p:896559645] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>l Dudeboy l posted...</cite> <quote>It's never going to happen because Americans value gun ownership more than childrens lives.</quote> "I make things up to pretend that I just proved a point!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingCrabCake 02/22/18 11:33:43 AM #75:	l Dudeboy l posted... KingCrabCake posted... l Dudeboy l posted... It's never going to happen because Americans value gun ownership more than childrens lives. Nope Yep I mean you can stomp your feet all you want....you're wrong regardless --- [Your sig sucks] Waaaaah <cite>KingCrabCake posted [p:896559662] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>l Dudeboy l posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>l Dudeboy l posted...</cite> <quote>It's never going to happen because Americans value gun ownership more than childrens lives.</quote> Nope</quote> Yep</quote> I mean you can stomp your feet all you want....you're wrong regardless</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 02/22/18 11:34:47 AM #76:	Anyone else want to defend the myth that Europe is somehow safer than the US? --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:896559707] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote> Anyone else want to defend the myth that Europe is somehow safer than the US?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
l Dudeboy l 02/22/18 11:35:39 AM #77:	KingCrabCake posted... l Dudeboy l posted... KingCrabCake posted... l Dudeboy l posted... It's never going to happen because Americans value gun ownership more than childrens lives. Nope Yep I mean you can stomp your feet all you want....you're wrong regardless Except I'm not. --- You are now breathing manually. Lets put a little lead in the air, and see what falls over. <cite>l Dudeboy l posted [p:896559744] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>l Dudeboy l posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>l Dudeboy l posted...</cite> <quote>It's never going to happen because Americans value gun ownership more than childrens lives.</quote> Nope</quote> Yep</quote> I mean you can stomp your feet all you want....you're wrong regardless</quote> Except I'm not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingCrabCake 02/22/18 11:36:39 AM #78:	l Dudeboy l posted... KingCrabCake posted... l Dudeboy l posted... KingCrabCake posted... l Dudeboy l posted... It's never going to happen because Americans value gun ownership more than childrens lives. Nope Yep I mean you can stomp your feet all you want....you're wrong regardless Except I'm not. Yup and its not February either --- [Your sig sucks] Waaaaah <cite>KingCrabCake posted [p:896559793] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>l Dudeboy l posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>l Dudeboy l posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>l Dudeboy l posted...</cite> <quote>It's never going to happen because Americans value gun ownership more than childrens lives.</quote> Nope</quote> Yep</quote> I mean you can stomp your feet all you want....you're wrong regardless</quote> Except I'm not.</quote> Yup and its not February either</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 02/22/18 11:36:53 AM #79:	Thing is countries that allow guns have less gun deaths then us too. There is more to it then just guns. There is something about America. --- No sig. <cite>creativerealms posted [p:896559808] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote>Thing is countries that allow guns have less gun deaths then us too. There is more to it then just guns. There is something about America.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 02/22/18 11:39:29 AM #80:	SilvosForever posted... Why is it so fucking impossible here? I don't care if it takes a Supreme Court decision or an amendment to the constitution. There are certain types of guns that you shouldn't be able to buy, period. An amendment is literally what it would take. Good luck finding 34 states to agree to repeal the Second Amendment. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:896559924] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>SilvosForever posted...</cite> <quote>Why is it so fucking impossible here? I don't care if it takes a Supreme Court decision or an amendment to the constitution. There are certain types of guns that you shouldn't be able to buy, period.</quote> An amendment is literally what it would take. Good luck finding 34 states to agree to repeal the Second Amendment.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 02/22/18 11:41:36 AM #81:	Sephiroth1288 posted... Anyone else want to defend the myth that Europe is somehow safer than the US? School shootings disprove the "myth" of school shootings. By your logic they should be more frequent in other countries. --- No sig. <cite>creativerealms posted [p:896560016] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote> Anyone else want to defend the myth that Europe is somehow safer than the US?</quote> School shootings disprove the "myth" of school shootings. By your logic they should be more frequent in other countries.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 02/22/18 11:43:13 AM #82:	Sephiroth1288 posted... Anyone else want to defend the myth that Europe is somehow safer than the US? I don't understand the website. It talks about the statistical confidence intervals involved in order to show that the US and Europe aren't statistically different despite the US having a higher rate overall, but what is there to run a regression on? It's a simple frequency calculation... right? --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:896560105] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote> Anyone else want to defend the myth that Europe is somehow safer than the US?</quote> I don't understand the website. It talks about the statistical confidence intervals involved in order to show that the US and Europe aren't statistically different despite the US having a higher rate overall, but what is there to run a regression on? It's a simple frequency calculation... right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 02/22/18 11:44:57 AM #83:	I mean it even says that the 95% confidence interval for the fatality rate from mass shootings is, "-.0244 to .253" wat does someone want to help me out here? --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:896560207] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote>I mean it even says that the 95% confidence interval for the fatality rate from mass shootings is, "-.0244 to .253" wat does someone want to help me out here?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 02/22/18 11:48:59 AM #84:	Balrog0 posted... I mean it even says that the 95% confidence interval for the fatality rate from mass shootings is, "-.0244 to .253" wat does someone want to help me out here? They appear to be talking about the margin of error as it pertains to the number of fatalities that occured. Where's the difficulty here? --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:896560396] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>I mean it even says that the 95% confidence interval for the fatality rate from mass shootings is, "-.0244 to .253" wat does someone want to help me out here?</quote> They appear to be talking about the margin of error as it pertains to the number of fatalities that occured. Where's the difficulty here?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 02/22/18 11:54:58 AM #85:	Sephiroth1288 posted... They appear to be talking about the margin of error as it pertains to the number of fatalities that occured. Where's the difficulty here? we're not taking a random sample of a population in order to statistically discover the characteristics of the overall population so there is no reason to do that the point calculation of the frequency of death from mass shootings is all they need to do or alternatively, why aren't they doing this for the overall statistic they report? what is the confidence interval for 0.471 for Macedonia? The low population of many EU countries leaves them open to wide variations due to small adjustments so you would probably see wide margins around it if they did do such a thing --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:896560684] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>They appear to be talking about the margin of error as it pertains to the number of fatalities that occured. Where's the difficulty here? </quote> we're not taking a random sample of a population in order to statistically discover the characteristics of the overall population so there is no reason to do that the point calculation of the frequency of death from mass shootings is all they need to do or alternatively, why aren't they doing this for the overall statistic they report? what is the confidence interval for 0.471 for Macedonia? The low population of many EU countries leaves them open to wide variations due to small adjustments so you would probably see wide margins around it if they did do such a thing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 02/22/18 12:01:03 PM #86:	Balrog0 posted... we're not taking a random sample of a population in order to statistically discover the characteristics of the overall population so there is no reason to do that the point calculation of the frequency of death from mass shootings is all they need to do or alternatively, why aren't they doing this for the overall statistic they report? what is the confidence interval for 0.471 for Macedonia? Obviously, not all mass shootings have clinical reports. Most are gang and drug-related and it's not always possible to tell exactly how many fatalities one shooting caused when victims will speed off and bleed out later. The low population of many EU countries leaves them open to wide variations due to small adjustments so you would probably see wide margins around it if they did do such a thing Wait, so you think it's not fair to European countries account for population when it comes to mass shootings? Sorry, but that's not how this works. The claim is that mass shootings don't happen in European countries that ban guns. Fact is they do, at rates higher than the US'. Ergo, it is false to say that banning guns will necessarily reduce mass shootings. The claim has zero supporting evidence. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:896561021] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>we're not taking a random sample of a population in order to statistically discover the characteristics of the overall population so there is no reason to do that the point calculation of the frequency of death from mass shootings is all they need to do or alternatively, why aren't they doing this for the overall statistic they report? what is the confidence interval for 0.471 for Macedonia? </quote> Obviously, not all mass shootings have clinical reports. Most are gang and drug-related and it's not always possible to tell exactly how many fatalities one shooting caused when victims will speed off and bleed out later. <quote>The low population of many EU countries leaves them open to wide variations due to small adjustments so you would probably see wide margins around it if they did do such a thing</quote> Wait, so you think it's not fair to European countries account for population when it comes to mass shootings? Sorry, but that's not how this works. The claim is that mass shootings don't happen in European countries that ban guns. Fact is they do, at rates higher than the US'. Ergo, it is false to say that banning guns will necessarily reduce mass shootings. The claim has zero supporting evidence.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 02/22/18 12:06:00 PM #87:	Sephiroth1288 posted... Obviously, not all mass shootings have clinical reports. Most are gang and drug-related and it's not always possible to tell exactly how many fatalities one shooting caused when victims will speed off and bleed out later. You clearly haven't actually looked at the website. Mass shootings related to other crimes are being excluded from these statistics. It's also not at all clear that they are calculating it on the basis of victims by incident. It seems they are reporting it as a variation between countries they've selected, which is even odder. Sephiroth1288 posted... Wait, so you think it's not fair to European countries account for population when it comes to mass shootings? No, I don't (meaning, that isn't what I think). I think it's 'unfair' to report statistics that favor your side and not the reverse. Like saying the EU has a lower rate of mass shooting deaths and mass shooting frequency than the US, for instance, but then waving it off because it is not "significantly different statistically" While also not making the same calculation when you show that particular EU countries have higher rates of those things. --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:896561306] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>Obviously, not all mass shootings have clinical reports. Most are gang and drug-related and it's not always possible to tell exactly how many fatalities one shooting caused when victims will speed off and bleed out later. </quote> You clearly haven't actually looked at the website. Mass shootings related to other crimes are being excluded from these statistics. It's also not at all clear that they are calculating it on the basis of victims by incident. It seems they are reporting it as a variation between countries they've selected, which is even odder. <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>Wait, so you think it's not fair to European countries account for population when it comes to mass shootings? </quote> No, I don't (meaning, that isn't what I think). I think it's 'unfair' to report statistics that favor your side and not the reverse. Like saying the EU has a lower rate of mass shooting deaths and mass shooting frequency than the US, for instance, but then waving it off because it is not "significantly different statistically" While also not making the same calculation when you show that particular EU countries have higher rates of those things.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 02/22/18 12:09:17 PM #88:	Balrog0 posted... I think it's 'unfair' to report statistics that favor your side and not the reverse. Well the statistics clearly indicate that the US does not have a problem with mass shootings when compared with European countries. Balrog0 posted... Like saying the EU has a lower rate of mass shooting deaths and mass shooting frequency than the US, for instance, but then waving it off because it is not "significantly different statistically" The EU overall may, but the US isn't even in the top 10 when comparing individual European countries in terms of mass shooting deaths or mass shooting frequency. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:896561489] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>I think it's 'unfair' to report statistics that favor your side and not the reverse. </quote> Well the statistics clearly indicate that the US does not have a problem with mass shootings when compared with European countries. <cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>Like saying the EU has a lower rate of mass shooting deaths and mass shooting frequency than the US, for instance, but then waving it off because it is not "significantly different statistically" </quote> The EU overall may, but the US isn't even in the top 10 when comparing individual European countries in terms of mass shooting deaths or mass shooting frequency.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nomadic View 02/22/18 12:14:30 PM #89:	I love when liberals just skate past any sense of diplomacy, legislation, or compromise and just jump to ban guns! Its a relief knowing that theyre just barking in the wind. The Supreme Court is not going to rule that a contrary proposition to the Constitution is somehow unconstitutional (Ginsburg might, but shes almost dead anyway). And there will never be a revocation of the Second Amendment. Just keep crying. Ill invest stock in flood insurance. --- {}\\{}(o){}\\//{}//=\\{})){}(< \\//{}{{-{}//\\{} {}xxxxxxxx{};;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;> <cite>Nomadic View posted [p:896561757] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote>I love when liberals just skate past any sense of diplomacy, legislation, or compromise and just jump to ban guns! Its a relief knowing that theyre just barking in the wind. The Supreme Court is not going to rule that a contrary proposition to the Constitution is somehow unconstitutional (Ginsburg might, but shes almost dead anyway). And there will never be a revocation of the Second Amendment. Just keep crying. Ill invest stock in flood insurance.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 02/22/18 12:20:32 PM #90:	Sephiroth1288 posted... Well the statistics clearly indicate that the US does not have a problem with mass shootings when compared with European countries. I dunno, have you seen or heard them say what the confidence interval is for those numbers? Sephiroth1288 posted... The EU overall may I mean, either it does or it doesn't. Either you are saying we can trust the numbers without the confidence interval or we can't. You don't get to have it both ways, that is my point. Sephiroth1288 posted... but the US isn't even in the top 10 when comparing individual European countries in terms of mass shooting deaths or mass shooting frequency. I'd like to see if that's still true if you account for years prior to 2009 and after 2015, but it doesn't bother me if this is true even if you do that. It's a very truncated number that doesn't include many relevant aspects of the conversation IMO (like said exclusion of gun crime related to other crimes, or the exclusion of shootings in public places that aren't mass shootings, or the exclusion of mass shootings that aren't in public places) but I have always said that gun control is a poor way to deal with mass shootings... my issue is with our larger problem with gun deaths than the flashy headlines mass shootings bring --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:896562102] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>Well the statistics clearly indicate that the US does not have a problem with mass shootings when compared with European countries.</quote> I dunno, have you seen or heard them say what the confidence interval is for those numbers? <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>The EU overall may</quote> I mean, either it does or it doesn't. Either you are saying we can trust the numbers without the confidence interval or we can't. You don't get to have it both ways, that is my point. <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>but the US isn't even in the top 10 when comparing individual European countries in terms of mass shooting deaths or mass shooting frequency.</quote> I'd like to see if that's still true if you account for years prior to 2009 and after 2015, but it doesn't bother me if this is true even if you do that. It's a very truncated number that doesn't include many relevant aspects of the conversation IMO (like said exclusion of gun crime related to other crimes, or the exclusion of shootings in public places that aren't mass shootings, or the exclusion of mass shootings that aren't in public places) but I have always said that gun control is a poor way to deal with mass shootings... my issue is with our larger problem with gun deaths than the flashy headlines mass shootings bring</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 02/22/18 12:24:57 PM #91:	Balrog0 posted... I dunno, have you seen or heard them say what the confidence interval is for those numbers? I still have no idea what you're talking about here. Balrog0 posted... I mean, either it does or it doesn't. Either you are saying we can trust the numbers without the confidence interval or we can't. You don't get to have it both ways, that is my point. I don't know what the EU's overall mass shooting rate is compared to the US. That's what I meant by "may". Balrog0 posted... I'd like to see if that's still true if you account for years prior to 2009 and after 2015, but it doesn't bother me if this is true even if you do that. It's a very truncated number that doesn't include many relevant aspects of the conversation IMO (like said exclusion of gun crime related to other crimes, or the exclusion of shootings in public places that aren't mass shootings, or the exclusion of mass shootings that aren't in public places) but I have always said that gun control is a poor way to deal with mass shootings... 2015 is when the numbers were collated. You should've seen that in the website, right? And obviously mass shootings not related to gang crime is a rather separate issue from indiscriminate rampage killers. That's clearly why they parsed the data like that. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:896562347] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>I dunno, have you seen or heard them say what the confidence interval is for those numbers? </quote> I still have no idea what you're talking about here. <cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>I mean, either it does or it doesn't. Either you are saying we can trust the numbers without the confidence interval or we can't. You don't get to have it both ways, that is my point.</quote> I don't know what the EU's overall mass shooting rate is compared to the US. That's what I meant by "may". <cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>I'd like to see if that's still true if you account for years prior to 2009 and after 2015, but it doesn't bother me if this is true even if you do that. It's a very truncated number that doesn't include many relevant aspects of the conversation IMO (like said exclusion of gun crime related to other crimes, or the exclusion of shootings in public places that aren't mass shootings, or the exclusion of mass shootings that aren't in public places) but I have always said that gun control is a poor way to deal with mass shootings...</quote> 2015 is when the numbers were collated. You should've seen that in the website, right? And obviously mass shootings not related to gang crime is a rather separate issue from indiscriminate rampage killers. That's clearly why they parsed the data like that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 02/22/18 12:25:49 PM #92:	Perhaps individual European countries are higher up because they got so few people compared to the whole USA? That is just facts presented in an American pro-gun propaganda view. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:896562398] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote>Perhaps individual European countries are higher up because they got so few people compared to the whole USA? That is just facts presented in an American pro-gun propaganda view.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 02/22/18 12:31:09 PM #93:	Foppe posted... Perhaps individual European countries are higher up because they got so few people compared to the whole USA? Yeah. Because that's how statistics work. If a city with a population of 1,000,000 has 500 murders and a city with a population of 1,000 has 5 murders, the latter city is a more dangerous to be in because there's a higher likelihood you'll be murdered even though they have .01x as many murders as the big city does. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:896562686] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Foppe posted...</cite> <quote>Perhaps individual European countries are higher up because they got so few people compared to the whole USA?</quote> Yeah. Because that's how statistics work. If a city with a population of 1,000,000 has 500 murders and a city with a population of 1,000 has 5 murders, the latter city is a more dangerous to be in because there's a higher likelihood you'll be murdered even though they have .01x as many murders as the big city does.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 02/22/18 12:33:34 PM #94:	Foppe posted... Perhaps individual European countries are higher up because they got so few people compared to the whole USA? That is just facts presented in an American pro-gun propaganda view. The numbers are adjusted for population density, so that's not it at all. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:896562813] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Foppe posted...</cite> <quote>Perhaps individual European countries are higher up because they got so few people compared to the whole USA? That is just facts presented in an American pro-gun propaganda view.</quote> The numbers are adjusted for population density, so that's not it at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 02/22/18 12:36:19 PM #95:	Sephiroth1288 posted... I still have no idea what you're talking about here. lol are you srs? you're the one who explained it to me, the margin of error around their numbers remember? they claim not to know the exact number when comparing the EU to the US, but they report an exact number when they compare individual EU countries to the US I mean I actually do think I understand what they are doing there, it is just misleading. they are calculating the variance between select EU countries and then using that to calculate the confidence interval. Even if they had included every EU country, I don't think it's appropriate to do here for several reasons (like, why would gun violence be normally distributed around the average from these countries? we're not doing the things that we normally assume we're doing when we make those calculations afaik) I get the feeling you are being selective in what you (are pretending to) understand here too Sephiroth1288 posted... I don't know what the EU's overall mass shooting rate is compared to the US. That's what I meant by "may". it is in the complete chart if you had gone to the web site that your picture is from Sephiroth1288 posted... 2015 is when the numbers were collated. You should've seen that in the website, right? yeah, I know. they should keep running the numbers! right? Sephiroth1288 posted... And obviously mass shootings not related to gang crime is a rather separate issue from indiscriminate rampage killers. That's clearly why they parsed the data like that. I'm not saying it isn't useful to think about them separately. But gun control is relevant to both things. --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:896562952] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>I still have no idea what you're talking about here.</quote> lol are you srs? you're the one who explained it to me, the margin of error around their numbers remember? they claim not to know the exact number when comparing the EU to the US, but they report an exact number when they compare individual EU countries to the US I mean I actually do think I understand what they are doing there, it is just misleading. they are calculating the variance between select EU countries and then using that to calculate the confidence interval. Even if they had included every EU country, I don't think it's appropriate to do here for several reasons (like, why would gun violence be normally distributed around the average from these countries? we're not doing the things that we normally assume we're doing when we make those calculations afaik) I get the feeling you are being selective in what you (are pretending to) understand here too <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>I don't know what the EU's overall mass shooting rate is compared to the US. That's what I meant by "may". </quote> it is in the complete chart if you had gone to the web site that your picture is from <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>2015 is when the numbers were collated. You should've seen that in the website, right?</quote> yeah, I know. they should keep running the numbers! right? <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>And obviously mass shootings not related to gang crime is a rather separate issue from indiscriminate rampage killers. That's clearly why they parsed the data like that.</quote> I'm not saying it isn't useful to think about them separately. But gun control is relevant to both things.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jeff AKA Snoopy 02/22/18 12:38:08 PM #96:	It is almost as if a country founded on mistrust of centralized power and authority will fight for their right to have an assault rifle despite every indication and statistic proving it is a detriment to society. --- https://i.imgtc.com/5AQormY.gif <cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted [p:896563052] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote>It is almost as if a country founded on mistrust of centralized power and authority will fight for their right to have an assault rifle despite every indication and statistic proving it is a detriment to society.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 02/22/18 12:41:54 PM #97:	Balrog0 posted... lol are you srs? you're the one who explained it to me, the margin of error around their numbers remember? they claim not to know the exact number when comparing the EU to the US, but they report an exact number when they compare individual EU countries to the US I mean I actually do think I understand what they are doing there, it is just misleading. they are calculating the variance between select EU countries and then using that to calculate the confidence interval. Even if they had included every EU country, I don't think it's appropriate to do here for several reasons (like, why would gun violence be normally distributed around the average from these countries? we're not doing the things that we normally assume we're doing when we make those calculations afaik) I get the feeling you are being selective in what you (are pretending to) understand here too Sorry, I should have said "I still have no idea what your contention is here." Balrog0 posted... it is in the complete chart if you had gone to the web site that your picture is from I've been to the site, thanks. I haven't bothered to memorize everything on it. If you have a problem with the statistics I've shown here, either explain why they're misleading or stop being mealymouthed in an effort to downplay it. Balrog0 posted... yeah, I know. they should keep running the numbers! right? Sure. Why not. Balrog0 posted... I'm not saying it isn't useful to think about them separately. But gun control is relevant to both things. In that it hasn't been proven to have a meaningful effect on homicide whether it's gang-related or not? Yeah. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:896563260] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>lol are you srs? you're the one who explained it to me, the margin of error around their numbers remember? they claim not to know the exact number when comparing the EU to the US, but they report an exact number when they compare individual EU countries to the US I mean I actually do think I understand what they are doing there, it is just misleading. they are calculating the variance between select EU countries and then using that to calculate the confidence interval. Even if they had included every EU country, I don't think it's appropriate to do here for several reasons (like, why would gun violence be normally distributed around the average from these countries? we're not doing the things that we normally assume we're doing when we make those calculations afaik) I get the feeling you are being selective in what you (are pretending to) understand here too</quote> Sorry, I should have said "I still have no idea what your contention is here." <cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>it is in the complete chart if you had gone to the web site that your picture is from</quote> I've been to the site, thanks. I haven't bothered to memorize everything on it. If you have a problem with the statistics I've shown here, either explain why they're misleading or stop being mealymouthed in an effort to downplay it. <cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>yeah, I know. they should keep running the numbers! right?</quote> Sure. Why not. <cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>I'm not saying it isn't useful to think about them separately. But gun control is relevant to both things.</quote> In that it hasn't been proven to have a meaningful effect on homicide whether it's gang-related or not? Yeah.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 02/22/18 12:42:11 PM #98:	Jeff AKA Snoopy posted... It is almost as if a country founded on mistrust of centralized power and authority will fight for their right to have an assault rifle despite every indication and statistic proving it is a detriment to society. Step one is figuring out exactly what the hell an "assault rifle" actually is. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:896563273] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...</cite> <quote>It is almost as if a country founded on mistrust of centralized power and authority will fight for their right to have an assault rifle despite every indication and statistic proving it is a detriment to society.</quote> Step one is figuring out exactly what the hell an "assault rifle" actually is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bloodychess 02/22/18 12:42:53 PM #99:	When people say "less gun deaths" do they take into account disproportionate populations, or are they just going off of raw numbers? --- To err is human To arr is pirate <cite>Bloodychess posted [p:896563310] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote>When people say "less gun deaths" do they take into account disproportionate populations, or are they just going off of raw numbers?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 02/22/18 12:43:52 PM #100:	As best I can make out, it basically comes down to this: Americans love guns. Tthey really, really love guns. The rest of the developed world doesn't really care about guns. That's all there is to it. All the arguments that make sense to me boil down in the end to "I like guns, and I don't want you to take my guns away". And that's probably a fine argument. Probably. --- CE's Resident Scotsman. http://i.imgur.com/ILz2ZbV.jpg <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:896563376] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote>As best I can make out, it basically comes down to this: Americans love guns. Tthey really, really love guns. The rest of the developed world doesn't really care about guns. That's all there is to it. All the arguments that make sense to me boil down in the end to "I like guns, and I don't want you to take my guns away". And that's probably a fine argument. Probably.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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