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Balrog0 02/22/18 12:44:09 PM #101:	Sephiroth1288 posted... Sorry, I should have said "I have no idea what your contention is here." Sephiroth1288 posted... I've been to the site, thanks. I haven't bothered to memorize everything on it. If you have a problem with the statistics I've shown here, either explain why they're misleading or stop being mealymouthed in an effort to downplay it. I was very clear about both of these things, sorry you don't understand it. Sephiroth1288 posted... In that it hasn't been proven to have a meaningful effect on homicide whether it's gang-related or not? Yeah. In that different kinds of gun control have different impacts on different kinds of gun violence. There are certainly gun control laws that reduce homicide. To think otherwise is simply ignorance https://www.jhsph.edu/research/centers-and-institutes/johns-hopkins-center-for-gun-policy-and-research/resources/digtal_update_Webster_Vernick.pdf https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4504296/ --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:896563392] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>Sorry, I should have said "I have no idea what your contention is here."</quote> <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>I've been to the site, thanks. I haven't bothered to memorize everything on it. If you have a problem with the statistics I've shown here, either explain why they're misleading or stop being mealymouthed in an effort to downplay it. </quote> I was very clear about both of these things, sorry you don't understand it. <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>In that it hasn't been proven to have a meaningful effect on homicide whether it's gang-related or not? Yeah.</quote> In that different kinds of gun control have different impacts on different kinds of gun violence. There are certainly gun control laws that reduce homicide. To think otherwise is simply ignorance https://www.jhsph.edu/research/centers-and-institutes/johns-hopkins-center-for-gun-policy-and-research/resources/digtal_update_Webster_Vernick.pdf https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4504296/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 02/22/18 12:45:57 PM #102:	Bloodychess posted... When people say "less gun deaths" do they take into account disproportionate populations, or are they just going off of raw numbers? Here's a neat table to play with, based on per-capita: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:896563492] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bloodychess posted...</cite> <quote>When people say "less gun deaths" do they take into account disproportionate populations, or are they just going off of raw numbers?</quote> Here's a neat table to play with, based on per-capita: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bloodychess 02/22/18 12:49:33 PM #103:	Questionmarktarius posted... Bloodychess posted... When people say "less gun deaths" do they take into account disproportionate populations, or are they just going off of raw numbers? Here's a neat table to play with, based on per-capita: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate "US Guns per 100 inhabitants - 101.5" ._. --- To err is human To arr is pirate <cite>Bloodychess posted [p:896563690] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Bloodychess posted...</cite> <quote>When people say "less gun deaths" do they take into account disproportionate populations, or are they just going off of raw numbers?</quote> Here's a neat table to play with, based on per-capita: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate</quote> "US Guns per 100 inhabitants - 101.5" ._.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 02/22/18 12:50:45 PM #104:	Questionmarktarius posted... Bloodychess posted... When people say "less gun deaths" do they take into account disproportionate populations, or are they just going off of raw numbers? Here's a neat table to play with, based on per-capita: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate This chart is really weird. Why is the final figure calculated on a per gun basis, when the other stats are calculated on a per capita basis? I'd be more interested to see the "gun deaths per capita" statistic, which seems more helpful. Edit: Nevermind, I see the "total" column is not total deaths but total rate of deaths per 100,000 capita. And yeah, that's fucking terrible USA. For whatever reason, you're punching on an equal level with some of the biggest shithole countries in the world. --- CE's Resident Scotsman. http://i.imgur.com/ILz2ZbV.jpg <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:896563752] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Bloodychess posted...</cite> <quote>When people say "less gun deaths" do they take into account disproportionate populations, or are they just going off of raw numbers?</quote> Here's a neat table to play with, based on per-capita: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate</quote> This chart is really weird. Why is the final figure calculated on a per gun basis, when the other stats are calculated on a per capita basis? I'd be more interested to see the "gun deaths per capita" statistic, which seems more helpful. Edit: Nevermind, I see the "total" column is not total deaths but total rate of deaths per 100,000 capita. And yeah, that's fucking terrible USA. For whatever reason, you're punching on an equal level with some of the biggest shithole countries in the world.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 02/22/18 12:52:22 PM #105:	Balrog0 posted... In that different kinds of gun control have different impacts on different kinds of gun violence. There are certainly gun control laws that reduce homicide. To think otherwise is simply ignorance Some gun control laws are good, true. But the gun control policies that have been proven to work, background checks and the like, are already laws. What about new gun legislation? --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:896563842] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>In that different kinds of gun control have different impacts on different kinds of gun violence. There are certainly gun control laws that reduce homicide. To think otherwise is simply ignorance</quote> Some gun control laws are good, true. But the gun control policies that have been proven to work, background checks and the like, are already laws. What about new gun legislation?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 02/22/18 12:54:48 PM #106:	pinky0926 posted... And yeah, that's fucking terrible USA. For whatever reason, you're punching on an equal level with some of the biggest shithole countries in the world. USA was a backwater shithole, until 1917 or so. Arguably 1945. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:896563984] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>pinky0926 posted...</cite> <quote>And yeah, that's fucking terrible USA. For whatever reason, you're punching on an equal level with some of the biggest shithole countries in the world.</quote> USA was a backwater shithole, until 1917 or so. Arguably 1945.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jeff AKA Snoopy 02/22/18 12:55:17 PM #107:	I think these charts kinda says a lot. The US actually has less than the average amount of violent crime per capita compared to others, at least in the year 2000. However, the odds that the violent crime will involve a gun is MUCH higher (as of 2012). If you want to argue that mental illness is the problem, technically speaking violent crime is lower in the US as compared to many other countries, so I don't even know if you can argue the US has more mental health problems. It is a gun problem. A lot of guns around and less laws on their regulation = more likelihood of violent acts with those guns. --- https://i.imgtc.com/5AQormY.gif <cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted [p:896564016] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote> I think these charts kinda says a lot. The US actually has less than the average amount of violent crime per capita compared to others, at least in the year 2000. However, the odds that the violent crime will involve a gun is MUCH higher (as of 2012). If you want to argue that mental illness is the problem, technically speaking violent crime is lower in the US as compared to many other countries, so I don't even know if you can argue the US has more mental health problems. It is a gun problem. A lot of guns around and less laws on their regulation = more likelihood of violent acts with those guns.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 02/22/18 12:55:52 PM #108:	pinky0926 posted... Edit: Nevermind, I see the "total" column is not total deaths but total rate of deaths per 100,000 capita. And yeah, that's f*ing terrible USA. For whatever reason, you're punching on an equal level with some of the biggest shole countries in the world. Like France, Norway, and Finland? Because all of them have worse rates on mass shootings. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:896564053] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>pinky0926 posted...</cite> <quote>Edit: Nevermind, I see the "total" column is not total deaths but total rate of deaths per 100,000 capita. And yeah, that's fing terrible USA. For whatever reason, you're punching on an equal level with some of the biggest s*hole countries in the world.</quote> Like France, Norway, and Finland? Because all of them have worse rates on mass shootings.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 02/22/18 12:57:05 PM #109:	Jeff AKA Snoopy posted... The US actually has less than the average amount of violent crime per capita compared to others, at least in the year 2000. However, the odds that the violent crime will involve a gun is MUCH higher (as of 2012). I wonder what could be making criminals more hesitant to commit a violent crime in the US when compared to countries that banned guns --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:896564141] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...</cite> <quote>The US actually has less than the average amount of violent crime per capita compared to others, at least in the year 2000. However, the odds that the violent crime will involve a gun is MUCH higher (as of 2012).</quote> I wonder what could be making criminals more hesitant to commit a violent crime in the US when compared to countries that banned guns </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 02/22/18 12:59:20 PM #110:	Sephiroth1288 posted... pinky0926 posted... Edit: Nevermind, I see the "total" column is not total deaths but total rate of deaths per 100,000 capita. And yeah, that's f*ing terrible USA. For whatever reason, you're punching on an equal level with some of the biggest shole countries in the world. Like France, Norway, and Finland? Because all of them have worse rates on mass shootings. Oh, are we just talking about mass shootings now? I thought the argument was that mass shooting are irrelevant because you shouldn't legislate across the board based on just a couple deaths per year or something. --- CE's Resident Scotsman.* http://i.imgur.com/ILz2ZbV.jpg <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:896564274] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>pinky0926 posted...</cite> <quote>Edit: Nevermind, I see the "total" column is not total deaths but total rate of deaths per 100,000 capita. And yeah, that's f*ing terrible USA. For whatever reason, you're punching on an equal level with some of the biggest s*hole countries in the world.</quote> Like France, Norway, and Finland? Because all of them have worse rates on mass shootings.</quote> Oh, are we just talking about mass shootings now? I thought the argument was that mass shooting are irrelevant because you shouldn't legislate across the board based on just a couple deaths per year or something.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 02/22/18 1:01:11 PM #111:	Sephiroth1288 posted... Jeff AKA Snoopy posted... The US actually has less than the average amount of violent crime per capita compared to others, at least in the year 2000. However, the odds that the violent crime will involve a gun is MUCH higher (as of 2012). I wonder what could be making criminals more hesitant to commit a violent crime in the US when compared to countries that banned guns He said less than average, I wouldn't be too proud or too ready to draw big conclusions about that one. It means you're better than Brazil but not better than Austria. --- CE's Resident Scotsman. http://i.imgur.com/ILz2ZbV.jpg <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:896564397] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...</cite> <quote>The US actually has less than the average amount of violent crime per capita compared to others, at least in the year 2000. However, the odds that the violent crime will involve a gun is MUCH higher (as of 2012).</quote> I wonder what could be making criminals more hesitant to commit a violent crime in the US when compared to countries that banned guns </quote> He said less than average, I wouldn't be too proud or too ready to draw big conclusions about that one. It means you're better than Brazil but not better than Austria.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 02/22/18 1:01:34 PM #112:	Jeff AKA Snoopy posted... A lot of guns around and less laws on their regulation = more likelihood of violent acts with those guns. There's no real way to refute that. Someone looking to commit mayhem will do so with the most effective and efficient tools available. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:896564418] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...</cite> <quote>A lot of guns around and less laws on their regulation = more likelihood of violent acts with those guns.</quote> There's no real way to refute that. Someone looking to commit mayhem will do so with the most effective and efficient tools available.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 02/22/18 1:03:09 PM #113:	Sephiroth1288 posted... Jeff AKA Snoopy posted... The US actually has less than the average amount of violent crime per capita compared to others, at least in the year 2000. However, the odds that the violent crime will involve a gun is MUCH higher (as of 2012). I wonder what could be making criminals more hesitant to commit a violent crime in the US when compared to countries that banned guns So more gun related homicides is a fair trade off? --- No sig. <cite>creativerealms posted [p:896564514] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...</cite> <quote>The US actually has less than the average amount of violent crime per capita compared to others, at least in the year 2000. However, the odds that the violent crime will involve a gun is MUCH higher (as of 2012).</quote> I wonder what could be making criminals more hesitant to commit a violent crime in the US when compared to countries that banned guns </quote> So more gun related homicides is a fair trade off?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Taharqa_ 02/22/18 1:05:31 PM #114:	voldothegr8 posted... Other countries have government that aren't afraid of its citizens. Our government isn't afraid of its citizens --- "If you want to move fast, practice slowly...if you want to move like lightning, practice in stillness." <cite>Taharqa_ posted [p:896564666] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>Other countries have government that aren't afraid of its citizens.</quote> Our government isn't afraid of its citizens</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jeff AKA Snoopy 02/22/18 1:08:42 PM #115:	Taharqa_ posted... voldothegr8 posted... Other countries have government that aren't afraid of its citizens. Our government isn't afraid of its citizens It's honestly the other way around. The United States was founded under the fact that their citizens would be terrified of their own government. That's why the second amendment exists. You need a way to protect yourself should the government try to take control. Here in Canada, we asked for our independence politely from the British and they were like, "Yeah sure!" We don't fear our government, nor do we have some irrational fear that the government will be run like the Soviet Union. I get the fear that founded the US, but that was almost 250 years ago. --- https://i.imgtc.com/5AQormY.gif <cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted [p:896564847] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Taharqa_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>Other countries have government that aren't afraid of its citizens.</quote> Our government isn't afraid of its citizens</quote> It's honestly the other way around. The United States was founded under the fact that their citizens would be terrified of their own government. That's why the second amendment exists. You need a way to protect yourself should the government try to take control. Here in Canada, we asked for our independence politely from the British and they were like, "Yeah sure!" We don't fear our government, nor do we have some irrational fear that the government will be run like the Soviet Union. I get the fear that founded the US, but that was almost 250 years ago.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 02/22/18 1:09:14 PM #116:	Jeff AKA Snoopy posted... It is almost as if a country founded on mistrust of centralized power and authority will fight for their right to have an assault rifle despite every indication and statistic proving it is a detriment to society. I gotta ask - do you know what an assault rifle is? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:896564879] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...</cite> <quote>It is almost as if a country founded on mistrust of centralized power and authority will fight for their right to have an assault rifle despite every indication and statistic proving it is a detriment to society.</quote> I gotta ask - do you know what an assault rifle is?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 02/22/18 1:09:57 PM #117:	Taharqa_ posted... voldothegr8 posted... Other countries have government that aren't afraid of its citizens. Our government isn't afraid of its citizens It's supposed to be. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:896564921] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Taharqa_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>Other countries have government that aren't afraid of its citizens.</quote> Our government isn't afraid of its citizens</quote> It's supposed to be.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 02/22/18 1:11:43 PM #118:	Taharqa_ posted... voldothegr8 posted... Other countries have government that aren't afraid of its citizens. Our government isn't afraid of its citizens Then why are democrats hellbent on disarming citizens? --- Oda break tracker 2018- 1 (1) \| THE Ohio State: 11-2 \| Oakland Raiders: 6-10 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:896565006] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Taharqa_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>Other countries have government that aren't afraid of its citizens.</quote> Our government isn't afraid of its citizens</quote> Then why are democrats hellbent on disarming citizens?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jeff AKA Snoopy 02/22/18 1:13:54 PM #119:	darkjedilink posted... Jeff AKA Snoopy posted... It is almost as if a country founded on mistrust of centralized power and authority will fight for their right to have an assault rifle despite every indication and statistic proving it is a detriment to society. I gotta ask - do you know what an assault rifle is? Depends on who you ask. If you ask military personnel or "gun enthusiasts" they will normally say that an assault rifle has the ability to switch between a semi-automatic and fully automatic rate of fire. The US Federal Government tends to put the label on any rifle with a semi-automatic fire rate, like the AR-15. It's a contentious issue, but since the government tends to be the ones classifying things in terms of legality, that seems to be the way to go. --- https://i.imgtc.com/5AQormY.gif <cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted [p:896565139] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...</cite> <quote>It is almost as if a country founded on mistrust of centralized power and authority will fight for their right to have an assault rifle despite every indication and statistic proving it is a detriment to society.</quote> I gotta ask - do you know what an assault rifle is?</quote> Depends on who you ask. If you ask military personnel or "gun enthusiasts" they will normally say that an assault rifle has the ability to switch between a semi-automatic and fully automatic rate of fire. The US Federal Government tends to put the label on any rifle with a semi-automatic fire rate, like the AR-15. It's a contentious issue, but since the government tends to be the ones classifying things in terms of legality, that seems to be the way to go.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VectorChaos 02/22/18 1:14:12 PM #120:	I see a lot of overlap between people who scream that Trump will usher in the racist apocalypse and people who want to disarm the American population How do you live in fear of the government while simultaneously wishing the government would take away your only means of resisting the government? --- PSN VectorChaos http://i.imgur.com/ftMERkZ.jpg XBL Vector Chaos http://i.imgur.com/10hWZ95.png http://i.imgur.com/MZMOLx0.jpg http://i.imgur.com/R2jRl8F.jpg <cite>VectorChaos posted [p:896565167] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote>I see a lot of overlap between people who scream that Trump will usher in the racist apocalypse and people who want to disarm the American population How do you live in fear of the government while simultaneously wishing the government would take away your only means of resisting the government?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jeff AKA Snoopy 02/22/18 1:14:49 PM #121:	voldothegr8 posted... Taharqa_ posted... voldothegr8 posted... Other countries have government that aren't afraid of its citizens. Our government isn't afraid of its citizens Then why are democrats hellbent on disarming citizens? Statistically speaking it leads to a safer country. Australia proved this 100% to be the case statistically. --- https://i.imgtc.com/5AQormY.gif <cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted [p:896565197] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Taharqa_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>Other countries have government that aren't afraid of its citizens.</quote> Our government isn't afraid of its citizens</quote> Then why are democrats hellbent on disarming citizens?</quote> Statistically speaking it leads to a safer country. Australia proved this 100% to be the case statistically.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 02/22/18 1:15:41 PM #122:	Jeff AKA Snoopy posted... Depends on who you ask. If you ask military personnel or "gun enthusiasts" they will normally say that an assault rifle has the ability to switch between a semi-automatic and fully automatic rate of fire. The US Federal Government tends to put the label on any rifle with a semi-automatic fire rate, like the AR-15. It doesn't matter how some ignoramus politicians use the phrase "assault rifle". The AR-15 isn't an assault rifle. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:896565250] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...</cite> <quote>Depends on who you ask. If you ask military personnel or "gun enthusiasts" they will normally say that an assault rifle has the ability to switch between a semi-automatic and fully automatic rate of fire. The US Federal Government tends to put the label on any rifle with a semi-automatic fire rate, like the AR-15. </quote> It doesn't matter how some ignoramus politicians use the phrase "assault rifle". The AR-15 isn't an assault rifle.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 02/22/18 1:17:59 PM #123:	Jeff AKA Snoopy posted... voldothegr8 posted... Taharqa_ posted... voldothegr8 posted... Other countries have government that aren't afraid of its citizens. Our government isn't afraid of its citizens Then why are democrats hellbent on disarming citizens? Statistically speaking it leads to a safer country. Australia proved this 100% to be the case statistically. What's the population of Australia again? Iirc we have 5 or so states that all separately have more people. --- Oda break tracker 2018- 1 (1) \| THE Ohio State: 11-2 \| Oakland Raiders: 6-10 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:896565369] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Taharqa_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>Other countries have government that aren't afraid of its citizens.</quote> Our government isn't afraid of its citizens</quote> Then why are democrats hellbent on disarming citizens?</quote> Statistically speaking it leads to a safer country. Australia proved this 100% to be the case statistically.</quote> What's the population of Australia again? Iirc we have 5 or so states that all separately have more people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 02/22/18 1:19:41 PM #124:	Jeff AKA Snoopy posted... Statistically speaking it leads to a safer country. Statistically speaking, no it doesn't. Jeff AKA Snoopy posted... Australia proved this 100% to be the case statistically. Actually it didn't statistically. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:896565480] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...</cite> <quote>Statistically speaking it leads to a safer country.</quote> Statistically speaking, no it doesn't. <cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...</cite> <quote>Australia proved this 100% to be the case statistically.</quote> Actually it didn't statistically. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jeff AKA Snoopy 02/22/18 1:21:24 PM #125:	voldothegr8 posted... Jeff AKA Snoopy posted... voldothegr8 posted... Taharqa_ posted... voldothegr8 posted... Other countries have government that aren't afraid of its citizens. Our government isn't afraid of its citizens Then why are democrats hellbent on disarming citizens? Statistically speaking it leads to a safer country. Australia proved this 100% to be the case statistically. What's the population of Australia again? Iirc we have 5 or so states that all separately have more people. Per-capita the number of gun related incidents fell. It's not just raw numbers, it is a per-capita issue. If you want to argue that the cultural difference between the countries is something to consider, I guess fine... but remember Australia was originally a dumping ground for prisoners. It was literally a penal colony. If you want to argue that there is some cultural divide that exists in the US that Australia doesn't have... I think Australia would have historical reasons to perhaps be a bit of a rougher place than the US. I'm no historian, but it stands to reason. --- https://i.imgtc.com/5AQormY.gif <cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted [p:896565594] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Taharqa_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>Other countries have government that aren't afraid of its citizens.</quote> Our government isn't afraid of its citizens</quote> Then why are democrats hellbent on disarming citizens?</quote> Statistically speaking it leads to a safer country. Australia proved this 100% to be the case statistically.</quote> What's the population of Australia again? Iirc we have 5 or so states that all separately have more people.</quote> Per-capita the number of gun related incidents fell. It's not just raw numbers, it is a per-capita issue. If you want to argue that the cultural difference between the countries is something to consider, I guess fine... but remember Australia was originally a dumping ground for prisoners. It was literally a penal colony. If you want to argue that there is some cultural divide that exists in the US that Australia doesn't have... I think Australia would have historical reasons to perhaps be a bit of a rougher place than the US. I'm no historian, but it stands to reason.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 02/22/18 1:21:45 PM #126:	Meanwhile, in jolly old England: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42749089 Sephiroth1288 posted... I have no idea what I'm looking at. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:896565616] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote>Meanwhile, in jolly old England: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42749089 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote></quote> I have no idea what I'm looking at.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jeff AKA Snoopy 02/22/18 1:25:22 PM #127:	https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/Revised-Australia-chart.png Homicides have dropped despite increase population. Now, you can argue that the amount of violent acts may not have decreased, but the number of actual DEATHS have. That is almost certainly 100% the case. You could even argue that with their gun control maybe it hasn't curbed violent crimes at all, just the number of deaths involved. I'd argue that if we are looking at the issue, what can you more adequately target first? Lowering the number of violent acts as a whole, or lowering the number of deaths that occur due to those acts? --- https://i.imgtc.com/5AQormY.gif <cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted [p:896565818] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote>https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/Revised-Australia-chart.png Homicides have dropped despite increase population. Now, you can argue that the amount of violent acts may not have decreased, but the number of actual DEATHS have. That is almost certainly 100% the case. You could even argue that with their gun control maybe it hasn't curbed violent crimes at all, just the number of deaths involved. I'd argue that if we are looking at the issue, what can you more adequately target first? Lowering the number of violent acts as a whole, or lowering the number of deaths that occur due to those acts?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 02/22/18 1:27:08 PM #128:	Questionmarktarius posted... I have no idea what I'm looking at. It shows there's no correlation between gun proliferation and homicide/assault/rape/suicide. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:896565913] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>I have no idea what I'm looking at.</quote> It shows there's no correlation between gun proliferation and homicide/assault/rape/suicide.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LJRENEGADE 02/22/18 1:27:50 PM #129:	SilvosForever posted... Why is it so fucking impossible here? Because there's already so many guns in the country, plus think of all the problems that would be in the way of enforcing a total gun ban. The US isn't like other countries when it comes to guns, its not as simple to just do what they do. <cite>LJRENEGADE posted [p:896565959] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>SilvosForever posted...</cite> <quote>Why is it so fucking impossible here?</quote> Because there's already so many guns in the country, plus think of all the problems that would be in the way of enforcing a total gun ban. The US isn't like other countries when it comes to guns, its not as simple to just do what they do.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 02/22/18 1:28:29 PM #130:	Sephiroth1288 posted... Questionmarktarius posted... I have no idea what I'm looking at. It shows there's no correlation between gun proliferation and homicide/assault/rape/suicide. What are the scatter points? Countries? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:896566000] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>I have no idea what I'm looking at.</quote> It shows there's no correlation between gun proliferation and homicide/assault/rape/suicide.</quote> What are the scatter points? Countries?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 02/22/18 1:33:56 PM #131:	Questionmarktarius posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... Questionmarktarius posted... I have no idea what I'm looking at. It shows there's no correlation between gun proliferation and homicide/assault/rape/suicide. What are the scatter points? Countries? Yes This one's more clear and it's based on the same stats --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:896566333] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>I have no idea what I'm looking at.</quote> It shows there's no correlation between gun proliferation and homicide/assault/rape/suicide.</quote> What are the scatter points? Countries?</quote> Yes This one's more clear and it's based on the same stats </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pojr 02/22/18 1:42:22 PM #132:	Guns don't kill people, people kill purple Never agreed with that statement. Its easy to fire a bullet if you're on impulse. Much harder to beat or stab someone to a body pulse on impulse --- pojr I summon it. You spell it. <cite>pojr posted [p:896566834] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote>Guns don't kill people, people kill purple Never agreed with that statement. Its easy to fire a bullet if you're on impulse. Much harder to beat or stab someone to a body pulse on impulse</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 02/22/18 1:44:11 PM #133:	pojr posted... Guns don't kill people, people kill purple Never agreed with that statement. Its easy to fire a bullet if you're on impulse. Much harder to beat or stab someone to a body pulse on impulse Thanks for your input, armchair commando. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:896566937] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>pojr posted...</cite> <quote>Guns don't kill people, people kill purple Never agreed with that statement. Its easy to fire a bullet if you're on impulse. Much harder to beat or stab someone to a body pulse on impulse</quote> Thanks for your input, armchair commando.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingCrabCake 02/22/18 1:44:48 PM #134:	pojr posted... . Much harder to beat or stab someone to a body pulse on impulse Not true at all --- [Your sig sucks] Waaaaah <cite>KingCrabCake posted [p:896566971] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>pojr posted...</cite> <quote>. Much harder to beat or stab someone to a body pulse on impulse</quote> Not true at all</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 02/22/18 1:54:58 PM #135:	KingCrabCake posted... pojr posted... . Much harder to beat or stab someone to a body pulse on impulse Not true at all you disagree with the claim that "its easier to kill someone with a gun than it is by beating or stabbing" ? consider that a toddler can literally kill an adult with a gun with almost no effort versus a toddler trying to kill an adult with a knife --- Playing: Dark Souls III (PC), Hollow Knight (PC) *(~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:896567515] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>pojr posted...</cite> <quote>. Much harder to beat or stab someone to a body pulse on impulse</quote> Not true at all</quote> you disagree with the claim that "its easier to kill someone with a gun than it is by beating or stabbing" ? consider that a toddler can literally kill an adult with a gun with almost no effort versus a toddler trying to kill an adult with a knife</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 02/22/18 1:56:02 PM #136:	Sephiroth1288 posted... Jeff AKA Snoopy posted... Depends on who you ask. If you ask military personnel or "gun enthusiasts" they will normally say that an assault rifle has the ability to switch between a semi-automatic and fully automatic rate of fire. The US Federal Government tends to put the label on any rifle with a semi-automatic fire rate, like the AR-15. It doesn't matter how some ignoramus politicians use the phrase "assault rifle". The AR-15 isn't an assault rifle. then what would you classify the AR-15 as? and how would you define an "assault rifle" such that it doesn't include the AR-15? --- Playing: Dark Souls III (PC), Hollow Knight (PC) *(~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:896567580] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...</cite> <quote>Depends on who you ask. If you ask military personnel or "gun enthusiasts" they will normally say that an assault rifle has the ability to switch between a semi-automatic and fully automatic rate of fire. The US Federal Government tends to put the label on any rifle with a semi-automatic fire rate, like the AR-15. </quote> It doesn't matter how some ignoramus politicians use the phrase "assault rifle". The AR-15 isn't an assault rifle.</quote> then what would you classify the AR-15 as? and how would you define an "assault rifle" such that it doesn't include the AR-15?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 02/22/18 1:56:19 PM #137:	Giant_Aspirin posted... a toddler trying to kill an adult with a knife Is it bad that I want to see video of that now? Giant_Aspirin posted... then what would you classify the AR-15 as? and how would you define an "assault rifle" such that it doesn't include the AR-15? What does "assault rifle" even mean? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:896567602] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote>a toddler trying to kill an adult with a knife</quote> Is it bad that I want to see video of that now? <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote>then what would you classify the AR-15 as? and how would you define an "assault rifle" such that it doesn't include the AR-15?</quote> What does "assault rifle" even mean?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingCrabCake 02/22/18 2:04:44 PM #138:	Giant_Aspirin posted... KingCrabCake posted... pojr posted... . Much harder to beat or stab someone to a body pulse on impulse Not true at all you disagree with the claim that "its easier to kill someone with a gun than it is by beating or stabbing" ? consider that a toddler can literally kill an adult with a gun with almost no effort versus a toddler trying to kill an adult with a knife No im disagreeing that its harder to stab someone to death on impulse. Happens all the time --- [Your sig sucks] Waaaaah <cite>KingCrabCake posted [p:896568094] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>pojr posted...</cite> <quote>. Much harder to beat or stab someone to a body pulse on impulse</quote> Not true at all</quote> you disagree with the claim that "its easier to kill someone with a gun than it is by beating or stabbing" ? consider that a toddler can literally kill an adult with a gun with almost no effort versus a toddler trying to kill an adult with a knife</quote> No im disagreeing that its harder to stab someone to death on impulse. Happens all the time</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SavenForever 02/22/18 2:16:21 PM #139:	TC, source? --- http://i.imgur.com/aFt7pKH.jpg <cite>SavenForever posted [p:896568786] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote>TC, source?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AppleJoe743 02/22/18 2:17:45 PM #140:	http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-38365729 <cite>AppleJoe743 posted [p:896568863] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote>http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-38365729</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 02/22/18 2:35:56 PM #141:	KingCrabCake posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... KingCrabCake posted... pojr posted... . Much harder to beat or stab someone to a body pulse on impulse Not true at all you disagree with the claim that "its easier to kill someone with a gun than it is by beating or stabbing" ? consider that a toddler can literally kill an adult with a gun with almost no effort versus a toddler trying to kill an adult with a knife No im disagreeing that its harder to stab someone to death on impulse. Happens all the time you think stabbing someone to death and shooting someone require the same level of effort? you don't think one is 'easier' than the other? --- Playing: Dark Souls III (PC), Hollow Knight (PC) *(~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:896569891] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>pojr posted...</cite> <quote>. Much harder to beat or stab someone to a body pulse on impulse</quote> Not true at all</quote> you disagree with the claim that "its easier to kill someone with a gun than it is by beating or stabbing" ? consider that a toddler can literally kill an adult with a gun with almost no effort versus a toddler trying to kill an adult with a knife</quote> No im disagreeing that its harder to stab someone to death on impulse. Happens all the time</quote> you think stabbing someone to death and shooting someone require the same level of effort? you don't think one is 'easier' than the other?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingCrabCake 02/22/18 2:43:01 PM #142:	Giant_Aspirin posted... KingCrabCake posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... KingCrabCake posted... pojr posted... . Much harder to beat or stab someone to a body pulse on impulse Not true at all you disagree with the claim that "its easier to kill someone with a gun than it is by beating or stabbing" ? consider that a toddler can literally kill an adult with a gun with almost no effort versus a toddler trying to kill an adult with a knife No im disagreeing that its harder to stab someone to death on impulse. Happens all the time you think stabbing someone to death and shooting someone require the same level of effort? you don't think one is 'easier' than the other? Nope the impulse is the same..which is the conversation we were having --- [Your sig sucks] Waaaaah <cite>KingCrabCake posted [p:896570314] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>pojr posted...</cite> <quote>. Much harder to beat or stab someone to a body pulse on impulse</quote> Not true at all</quote> you disagree with the claim that "its easier to kill someone with a gun than it is by beating or stabbing" ? consider that a toddler can literally kill an adult with a gun with almost no effort versus a toddler trying to kill an adult with a knife</quote> No im disagreeing that its harder to stab someone to death on impulse. Happens all the time</quote> you think stabbing someone to death and shooting someone require the same level of effort? you don't think one is 'easier' than the other?</quote> Nope the impulse is the same..which is the conversation we were having</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SilvosForever 02/22/18 3:08:49 PM #143:	http://assets.motherjones.com/politics/2014/10/shootingsSince2011.png --- All your favorite RPGs: http://www.youtube.com/user/silvosforever http://i996.photobucket.com/albums/af84/silvosforever/funnygif.gif <cite>SilvosForever posted [p:896571898] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote>http://assets.motherjones.com/politics/2014/10/shootingsSince2011.png</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 02/22/18 3:41:37 PM #144:	Giant_Aspirin posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... Jeff AKA Snoopy posted... Depends on who you ask. If you ask military personnel or "gun enthusiasts" they will normally say that an assault rifle has the ability to switch between a semi-automatic and fully automatic rate of fire. The US Federal Government tends to put the label on any rifle with a semi-automatic fire rate, like the AR-15. It doesn't matter how some ignoramus politicians use the phrase "assault rifle". The AR-15 isn't an assault rifle. then what would you classify the AR-15 as? and how would you define an "assault rifle" such that it doesn't include the AR-15? The AR-15 is a semiautomatic rifle, not functionally different than any hunting rifle available. An assault rifle is fully-automatic. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:896573796] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...</cite> <quote>Depends on who you ask. If you ask military personnel or "gun enthusiasts" they will normally say that an assault rifle has the ability to switch between a semi-automatic and fully automatic rate of fire. The US Federal Government tends to put the label on any rifle with a semi-automatic fire rate, like the AR-15. </quote> It doesn't matter how some ignoramus politicians use the phrase "assault rifle". The AR-15 isn't an assault rifle.</quote> then what would you classify the AR-15 as? and how would you define an "assault rifle" such that it doesn't include the AR-15?</quote> The AR-15 is a semiautomatic rifle, not functionally different than any hunting rifle available. An assault rifle is fully-automatic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 02/22/18 3:44:01 PM #145:	SilvosForever posted... http://assets.motherjones.com/politics/2014/10/shootingsSince2011.png That's because, in 2011, President Obama redefined 'mass shooting' so that most gang-related gun violence counts. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:896573941] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>SilvosForever posted...</cite> <quote>http://assets.motherjones.com/politics/2014/10/shootingsSince2011.png</quote> That's because, in 2011, President Obama redefined 'mass shooting' so that most gang-related gun violence counts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 02/22/18 3:46:32 PM #146:	darkjedilink posted... SilvosForever posted... http://assets.motherjones.com/politics/2014/10/shootingsSince2011.png That's because, in 2011, President Obama redefined 'mass shooting' so that most gang-related gun violence counts. Lol excuses excuses. --- No sig. <cite>creativerealms posted [p:896574082] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SilvosForever posted...</cite> <quote>http://assets.motherjones.com/politics/2014/10/shootingsSince2011.png</quote> That's because, in 2011, President Obama redefined 'mass shooting' so that most gang-related gun violence counts.</quote> Lol excuses excuses.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 02/22/18 3:47:21 PM #147:	KingCrabCake posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... KingCrabCake posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... KingCrabCake posted... pojr posted... . Much harder to beat or stab someone to a body pulse on impulse Not true at all you disagree with the claim that "its easier to kill someone with a gun than it is by beating or stabbing" ? consider that a toddler can literally kill an adult with a gun with almost no effort versus a toddler trying to kill an adult with a knife No im disagreeing that its harder to stab someone to death on impulse. Happens all the time you think stabbing someone to death and shooting someone require the same level of effort? you don't think one is 'easier' than the other? Nope the impulse is the same..which is the conversation we were having the conversation was originally about you contesting the statement "Much harder to beat or stab someone to a body pulse on impulse" which is asserting that, given an impulse of rage, it is easier to convert that impulse into an action using a gun versus converting that impulse into an action when using a knife. killing someone with a gun can occur in an instant. stabbing someone to death takes a more concentrated and focused effort. that's the entire point. why does it feel like so many of these "arguments" boil down to petty nitpicking at semantics? --- Playing: Dark Souls III (PC), Hollow Knight (PC) *(~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:896574152] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>pojr posted...</cite> <quote>. Much harder to beat or stab someone to a body pulse on impulse</quote> Not true at all</quote> you disagree with the claim that "its easier to kill someone with a gun than it is by beating or stabbing" ? consider that a toddler can literally kill an adult with a gun with almost no effort versus a toddler trying to kill an adult with a knife</quote> No im disagreeing that its harder to stab someone to death on impulse. Happens all the time</quote> you think stabbing someone to death and shooting someone require the same level of effort? you don't think one is 'easier' than the other?</quote> Nope the impulse is the same..which is the conversation we were having</quote> the conversation was originally about you contesting the statement "Much harder to beat or stab someone to a body pulse on impulse" which is asserting that, given an impulse of rage, it is easier to convert that impulse into an action using a gun versus converting that impulse into an action when using a knife. killing someone with a gun can occur in an instant. stabbing someone to death takes a more concentrated and focused effort. that's the entire point. why does it feel like so many of these "arguments" boil down to petty nitpicking at semantics?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KingCrabCake 02/22/18 5:07:30 PM #149:	Giant_Aspirin posted... KingCrabCake posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... KingCrabCake posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... KingCrabCake posted... pojr posted... . Much harder to beat or stab someone to a body pulse on impulse Not true at all you disagree with the claim that "its easier to kill someone with a gun than it is by beating or stabbing" ? consider that a toddler can literally kill an adult with a gun with almost no effort versus a toddler trying to kill an adult with a knife No im disagreeing that its harder to stab someone to death on impulse. Happens all the time you think stabbing someone to death and shooting someone require the same level of effort? you don't think one is 'easier' than the other? Nope the impulse is the same..which is the conversation we were having the conversation was originally about you contesting the statement "Much harder to beat or stab someone to a body pulse on impulse" which is asserting that, given an impulse of rage, it is easier to convert that impulse into an action using a gun versus converting that impulse into an action when using a knife. killing someone with a gun can occur in an instant. stabbing someone to death takes a more concentrated and focused effort. that's the entire point. why does it feel like so many of these "arguments" boil down to petty nitpicking at semantics? Or it boils down you not being able to process and understand what you read. --- [Your sig sucks] Waaaaah <cite>KingCrabCake posted [p:896578996] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>pojr posted...</cite> <quote>. Much harder to beat or stab someone to a body pulse on impulse</quote> Not true at all</quote> you disagree with the claim that "its easier to kill someone with a gun than it is by beating or stabbing" ? consider that a toddler can literally kill an adult with a gun with almost no effort versus a toddler trying to kill an adult with a knife</quote> No im disagreeing that its harder to stab someone to death on impulse. Happens all the time</quote> you think stabbing someone to death and shooting someone require the same level of effort? you don't think one is 'easier' than the other?</quote> Nope the impulse is the same..which is the conversation we were having</quote> the conversation was originally about you contesting the statement "Much harder to beat or stab someone to a body pulse on impulse" which is asserting that, given an impulse of rage, it is easier to convert that impulse into an action using a gun versus converting that impulse into an action when using a knife. killing someone with a gun can occur in an instant. stabbing someone to death takes a more concentrated and focused effort. that's the entire point. why does it feel like so many of these "arguments" boil down to petty nitpicking at semantics?</quote> Or it boils down you not being able to process and understand what you read.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HumanBeing 02/22/18 5:08:39 PM #150:	The right to own guns is worth the increase in deaths that it might cause (if it even does cause an increase in overall deaths). --- I am a human being. <cite>HumanBeing posted [p:896579056] in Other coun... [t:76345844]...</cite> <quote>The right to own guns is worth the increase in deaths that it might cause (if it even does cause an increase in overall deaths).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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