o Girl Killed in Florida says CHRISTIAN VALUES will STOP Shootings!

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Full Throttle 02/24/18 12:01:03 AM #1:	Do you think Christian Family Values is the answer to stop mass shootings? Yes No View Results Mormon Parents of a 14 y/o Girl who was killed last week in Florida said that the world needs better FAMILY VALUES and GOD in their lives and NOT gun control to prevent school shootings as they said if people had put forward better family values toward their children, that would have saved their daughter's life!! Ryan and Kelly Petty said 19 y/o Nikolas Cruz is responsible for the loss of their daughter, Alaina but also said that he wasn't given enough love and support in his life and while many blame the shooting on weak gun control, Trump suggests arming teachers as a solution while the Pettys think God is the way to help families put a stop to mass shootings epidemic Ryan says "Strong families are vital to a peaceful, functioning society. A family with a strong male figure and a supportive mother will give a better direction to their loved ones. When families break down,t hat's where the problem begins. We need legislators and policymakers to pass legislation and create policies that strengthen the family role. We wish and believe, that if somebody had been able to put their arms around him and show him some compassion and love to the extent that would have enabled him to get some help, things may have been different last week. The gun is not the problem, the lack of a family role is. When children don't have that, sometimes they end up doing really bad things. If strong families encouraged more and fought for more more kids could be helped and not fall by the wayside and not do things like last week. A father figure would have given him direction and a mother would have shown him how to have compassion for others" They are still trying to understand what happened to their daughter after they were told she was in English class expecting to get picked up in 30 minutse for an orthodontist appointment before Nikolas had walked into the school. Their 17 y/o son, Patrick also attended the campus who told his parents there was a shooting and Alaina had not answered their mother's texts. Ryan said after watching the media coverage of previous school shootings, he thought he would be angry if it happened to him but now, aided by his strong faith in God, he feels at peace..He said "I'm amazed i haven't felt angry. We're chosing to focus on our eternal family and faith in the Lord and we ask everyone to do the same" Alaina was part of the JROTC whose funeral was attended by 1500 people aided by the US Army that awarded her the Medal of Heroism. One of Alaina's friends Madeleine Wilford was shot 4 times by Cruz but survived her injuries that included a collapsed lung..She went to the same Mormon Church with Alaina as she recalled frightened students dove ot the floor to get out of the line of sight but doesn't remember being shot and blacked out...she awoke from her bed with her family by her side and President Trump and Melania who promised to give her a recommendation to the college of her choice..which was Brigham Young University, a small Christian Univeristy.. Do you think Christian Family Values is the answer? Alaina - Deceased http://tinyurl.com/yar4ed6d http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/02/24/00/4988BDB200000578-5429107-image-a-27_1519433893201.jpg Alaina's Family - http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/02/24/01/4988BDAE00000578-5429107-Ryan_and_Kelly_Petty-a-31_1519434021759.jpg http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/02/24/00/4988D70800000578-5429107-image-a-30_1519433959684.jpg Madeline - Survived http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/02/24/02/4988E49600000578-5429107-President_Trump_and_First_Lady_Melania_visited_Madelaine_in_the_-a-12_1519439803996.jpg http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/02/24/01/4943C89800000578-5429107-One_of_Alaina_s_Mormon_friends_Madeleine_Wilford_was_also_shot_b-m-33_1519434402460.jpg --- call me mrduckbear, sweater monkeys. Everytime a GFAQS User Steps On A Bug, I'll Stop Posting for 24 HOURS I'm an Asian Liberal. RESIST The Alt-Right <cite>Full Throttle posted [p:896663623] in Dad of 14 ... [t:76351782]...</cite> <quote> Do you think Christian Family Values is the answer to stop mass shootings? Yes No View Results Mormon Parents of a 14 y/o Girl who was killed last week in Florida said that the world needs better FAMILY VALUES and GOD in their lives and NOT gun control to prevent school shootings as they said if people had put forward better family values toward their children, that would have saved their daughter's life!! Ryan and Kelly Petty said 19 y/o Nikolas Cruz is responsible for the loss of their daughter, Alaina but also said that he wasn't given enough love and support in his life and while many blame the shooting on weak gun control, Trump suggests arming teachers as a solution while the Pettys think God is the way to help families put a stop to mass shootings epidemic Ryan says "Strong families are vital to a peaceful, functioning society. A family with a strong male figure and a supportive mother will give a better direction to their loved ones. When families break down,t hat's where the problem begins. We need legislators and policymakers to pass legislation and create policies that strengthen the family role. We wish and believe, that if somebody had been able to put their arms around him and show him some compassion and love to the extent that would have enabled him to get some help, things may have been different last week. The gun is not the problem, the lack of a family role is. When children don't have that, sometimes they end up doing really bad things. If strong families encouraged more and fought for more more kids could be helped and not fall by the wayside and not do things like last week. A father figure would have given him direction and a mother would have shown him how to have compassion for others" They are still trying to understand what happened to their daughter after they were told she was in English class expecting to get picked up in 30 minutse for an orthodontist appointment before Nikolas had walked into the school. Their 17 y/o son, Patrick also attended the campus who told his parents there was a shooting and Alaina had not answered their mother's texts. Ryan said after watching the media coverage of previous school shootings, he thought he would be angry if it happened to him but now, aided by his strong faith in God, he feels at peace..He said "I'm amazed i haven't felt angry. We're chosing to focus on our eternal family and faith in the Lord and we ask everyone to do the same" Alaina was part of the JROTC whose funeral was attended by 1500 people aided by the US Army that awarded her the Medal of Heroism. One of Alaina's friends Madeleine Wilford was shot 4 times by Cruz but survived her injuries that included a collapsed lung..She went to the same Mormon Church with Alaina as she recalled frightened students dove ot the floor to get out of the line of sight but doesn't remember being shot and blacked out...she awoke from her bed with her family by her side and President Trump and Melania who promised to give her a recommendation to the college of her choice..which was Brigham Young University, a small Christian Univeristy.. Do you think Christian Family Values is the answer? Alaina - Deceased http://tinyurl.com/yar4ed6d http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/02/24/00/4988BDB200000578-5429107-image-a-27_1519433893201.jpg Alaina's Family - http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/02/24/01/4988BDAE00000578-5429107-Ryan_and_Kelly_Petty-a-31_1519434021759.jpg http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/02/24/00/4988D70800000578-5429107-image-a-30_1519433959684.jpg Madeline - Survived http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/02/24/02/4988E49600000578-5429107-President_Trump_and_First_Lady_Melania_visited_Madelaine_in_the_-a-12_1519439803996.jpg http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/02/24/01/4943C89800000578-5429107-One_of_Alaina_s_Mormon_friends_Madeleine_Wilford_was_also_shot_b-m-33_1519434402460.jpg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kind9 02/24/18 6:42:48 AM #2:	Maybe he has a point with the family values thing, but the part about God is bullshit. He obviously believes that without God there is no morality, which is absurd. --- http://i.imgur.com/NkZUeFd.gif <cite>kind9 posted [p:896673648] in Dad of 14 ... [t:76351782]...</cite> <quote>Maybe he has a point with the family values thing, but the part about God is bullshit. He obviously believes that without God there is no morality, which is absurd.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 02/24/18 6:44:08 AM #3:	You already have Christian values, maybe try secularism for a change --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:896673669] in Dad of 14 ... [t:76351782]...</cite> <quote>You already have Christian values, maybe try secularism for a change</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
feco91 02/24/18 7:26:26 AM #4:	kind9 posted... Maybe he has a point with the family values thing, but the part about God is bullshit. He obviously believes that without God there is no morality, which is absurd. Many people would fear a god (and the promise of eternal suffering because of their crimes) more than any law enforcement agent or jail time. Divine law can feel more threatening than written law, so religion might help to keep people in check. <cite>feco91 posted [p:896674394] in Dad of 14 ... [t:76351782]...</cite> <quote><cite>kind9 posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe he has a point with the family values thing, but the part about God is bullshit. He obviously believes that without God there is no morality, which is absurd.</quote> Many people would fear a god (and the promise of eternal suffering because of their crimes) more than any law enforcement agent or jail time. Divine law can feel more threatening than written law, so religion might help to keep people in check.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kind9 02/24/18 8:16:11 AM #5:	feco91 posted... kind9 posted... Maybe he has a point with the family values thing, but the part about God is bullshit. He obviously believes that without God there is no morality, which is absurd. Many people would fear a god (and the promise of eternal suffering because of their crimes) more than any law enforcement agent or jail time. Divine law can feel more threatening than written law, so religion might help to keep people in check. I agree, but if you ask me whatever benefit people get from religion doesn't justify spending their entire lives with their heads up their asses. I don't care if someone chooses to be religious, but I'm not down with religious propaganda and indoctrination. --- http://i.imgur.com/NkZUeFd.gif <cite>kind9 posted [p:896675497] in Dad of 14 ... [t:76351782]...</cite> <quote><cite>feco91 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>kind9 posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe he has a point with the family values thing, but the part about God is bullshit. He obviously believes that without God there is no morality, which is absurd.</quote> Many people would fear a god (and the promise of eternal suffering because of their crimes) more than any law enforcement agent or jail time. Divine law can feel more threatening than written law, so religion might help to keep people in check.</quote> I agree, but if you ask me whatever benefit people get from religion doesn't justify spending their entire lives with their heads up their asses. I don't care if someone chooses to be religious, but I'm not down with religious propaganda and indoctrination.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 02/24/18 8:24:41 AM #6:	Religious values can go both ways. But he got a point, better family values is a good start at creating a better community with less shootings. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:896675709] in Dad of 14 ... [t:76351782]...</cite> <quote>Religious values can go both ways. But he got a point, better family values is a good start at creating a better community with less shootings.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SunWuKung420 02/24/18 8:29:33 AM #7:	He has a point. "Thou shalt not kill" and all that. --- I'm snotty because I prefer freshly cooked food that isn't full of fillers and/or preservatives.ha http://i.imgur.com/m8f7VYf.jpg http://i.imgur.com/0Lp7Agd.jpg <cite>SunWuKung420 posted [p:896675850] in Dad of 14 ... [t:76351782]...</cite> <quote>He has a point. "Thou shalt not kill" and all that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dedbus 02/24/18 10:28:10 AM #8:	I can already hear the atheists shrieking in sin over this one. <cite>dedbus posted [p:896679323] in Dad of 14 ... [t:76351782]...</cite> <quote>I can already hear the atheists shrieking in sin over this one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SinisterSlay 02/24/18 10:30:57 AM #9:	Christian values caused this mess, with their love of violence and hatred of love. So not sure how more Christian values will fix it. --- He who stumbles around in darkness with a stick is blind. But he who... sticks out in darkness... is... fluorescent! - Brother Silence <cite>SinisterSlay posted [p:896679403] in Dad of 14 ... [t:76351782]...</cite> <quote>Christian values caused this mess, with their love of violence and hatred of love. So not sure how more Christian values will fix it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wwinterj25 02/24/18 10:38:31 AM #10:	A mystical being in the sky that you choose to believe in changes nothing that's happening in reality so simply put no. --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj - http://i.imgur.com/kDysIcd.gif <cite>wwinterj25 posted [p:896679665] in Dad of 14 ... [t:76351782]...</cite> <quote>A mystical being in the sky that you choose to believe in changes nothing that's happening in reality so simply put no.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 02/24/18 10:51:43 AM #11:	Full Throttle posted... A family with a strong male figure and a supportive mother will give a better direction to their loved ones. I'm pretty sure it's less about the heterosexuality of the guy's parents and more that both of his parents were dead. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:896680145] in Dad of 14 ... [t:76351782]...</cite> <quote><cite>Full Throttle posted...</cite> <quote>A family with a strong male figure and a supportive mother will give a better direction to their loved ones.</quote> I'm pretty sure it's less about the heterosexuality of the guy's parents and more that both of his parents were dead.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackScythe0 02/24/18 10:55:36 AM #12:	No such thing as christian values given that any given person will have a different answer as to what christian values are. Like compare a church that accepts gays and will allow women to be preachers to the westboro babtist church. Gonna have some very different christian values there. <cite>BlackScythe0 posted [p:896680300] in Dad of 14 ... [t:76351782]...</cite> <quote>No such thing as christian values given that any given person will have a different answer as to what christian values are. Like compare a church that accepts gays and will allow women to be preachers to the westboro babtist church. Gonna have some very different christian values there.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dioxxys 02/24/18 12:25:56 PM #13:	SinisterSlay posted... Christian values caused this mess, with their love of violence and hatred of love. So not sure how more Christian values will fix it. Yeah no thats the opposite of what Christians stand for <cite>dioxxys posted [p:896684047] in Dad of 14 ... [t:76351782]...</cite> <quote><cite>SinisterSlay posted...</cite> <quote>Christian values caused this mess, with their love of violence and hatred of love. So not sure how more Christian values will fix it.</quote> Yeah no thats the opposite of what Christians stand for</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FourthDimension 02/24/18 12:39:21 PM #14:	I mean sure. It is one of the Ten Commandments. Oh, but he went the homophobic route. Lol <cite>FourthDimension posted [p:896684650] in Dad of 14 ... [t:76351782]...</cite> <quote>I mean sure. It is one of the Ten Commandments. Oh, but he went the homophobic route. Lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scloud 02/24/18 12:58:41 PM #15:	Good people stop shootings. Maybe stop giving guns away. I mean USA have a gun culture i cannot understand. I think legislation helps. Btw religion in politics is terrible. In society is something i am not against, but political leaders mixing religion makes the country much worse,it should be forbidden in my view since its not something elitists in power should have it on. That i do think atleast <cite>Scloud posted [p:896685524] in Dad of 14 ... [t:76351782]...</cite> <quote>Good people stop shootings. Maybe stop giving guns away. I mean USA have a gun culture i cannot understand. I think legislation helps. Btw religion in politics is terrible. In society is something i am not against, but political leaders mixing religion makes the country much worse,it should be forbidden in my view since its not something elitists in power should have it on. That i do think atleast</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackScythe0 02/24/18 1:09:00 PM #16:	dioxxys posted... SinisterSlay posted... Christian values caused this mess, with their love of violence and hatred of love. So not sure how more Christian values will fix it. Yeah no thats the opposite of what Christians stand for "Supposed to stand for And yet what so very many christians actually stand for. <cite>BlackScythe0 posted [p:896686010] in Dad of 14 ... [t:76351782]...</cite> <quote><cite>dioxxys posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SinisterSlay posted...</cite> <quote>Christian values caused this mess, with their love of violence and hatred of love. So not sure how more Christian values will fix it.</quote> Yeah no thats the opposite of what Christians stand for</quote> "Supposed to stand for And yet what so very many christians actually stand for.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 02/24/18 1:22:56 PM #17:	He should send his thoughts and prayers to the victims too. dioxxys posted... SinisterSlay posted... Christian values caused this mess, with their love of violence and hatred of love. So not sure how more Christian values will fix it. Yeah no thats the opposite of what Christians stand for The Crusades. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:896686676] in Dad of 14 ... [t:76351782]...</cite> <quote>He should send his thoughts and prayers to the victims too. <cite>dioxxys posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SinisterSlay posted...</cite> <quote>Christian values caused this mess, with their love of violence and hatred of love. So not sure how more Christian values will fix it.</quote> Yeah no thats the opposite of what Christians stand for</quote> The Crusades.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheCyborgNinja 02/24/18 1:31:57 PM #18:	I mean, it can't hurt in the sense that if they're applied in a way that creates a stable home life they're a good thing. --- "message parlor" ? do you mean the post office ? - SlayerX888 <cite>TheCyborgNinja posted [p:896687109] in Dad of 14 ... [t:76351782]...</cite> <quote>I mean, it can't hurt in the sense that if they're applied in a way that creates a stable home life they're a good thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shinebolt 02/24/18 1:34:36 PM #19:	People have outright raped, murdered, and turortured in the name of God. So yeah, no that won't help a god damn bit. Seriously, if that's all it took then Medieval Europe under the Holy Roman Empire would have been the safest, bestest time to live in human history which it is far and away from not being either of those things. --- "Why bother with statistics when reality has already given you its answer." - Purple Heart <cite>Shinebolt posted [p:896687240] in Dad of 14 ... [t:76351782]...</cite> <quote>People have outright raped, murdered, and turortured in the name of God. So yeah, no that won't help a god damn bit. Seriously, if that's all it took then Medieval Europe under the Holy Roman Empire would have been the safest, bestest time to live in human history which it is far and away from not being either of those things.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 02/24/18 3:48:29 PM #20:	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcxVQhH5tGI --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:896693465] in Dad of 14 ... [t:76351782]...</cite> <quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcxVQhH5tGI</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shinebolt 02/24/18 5:08:40 PM #21:	Lokarin posted... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcxVQhH5tGI A teacher back in my old elementary school would host an after-school bible study in his classroom. Guess no one told him God was expelled. --- "Why bother with statistics when reality has already given you its answer." - Purple Heart <cite>Shinebolt posted [p:896697120] in Dad of 14 ... [t:76351782]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcxVQhH5tGI</quote> A teacher back in my old elementary school would host an after-school bible study in his classroom. Guess no one told him God was expelled.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 02/24/18 8:05:32 PM #22:	Shinebolt posted... Lokarin posted... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcxVQhH5tGI A teacher back in my old elementary school would host an after-school bible study in his classroom. Guess no one told him God was expelled. If it's a private school that's allowed. If it was a public school then he should have been fired. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:896705774] in Dad of 14 ... [t:76351782]...</cite> <quote><cite>Shinebolt posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcxVQhH5tGI</quote> A teacher back in my old elementary school would host an after-school bible study in his classroom. Guess no one told him God was expelled.</quote> If it's a private school that's allowed. If it was a public school then he should have been fired.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SunWuKung420 02/24/18 8:11:19 PM #23:	Revelation34 posted... If it's a private school that's allowed. If it was a public school then he should have been fired. Why? If it was after school and voluntary, why persecute the guy for sharing his beliefs with some of his students? Because he used his classroom? That's not a good enough reason. If it was after school tutoring or purely philosophical discussions (much of bible study is that), would you still fire him? --- I'm snotty because I prefer freshly cooked food that isn't full of fillers and/or preservatives.ha http://i.imgur.com/m8f7VYf.jpg http://i.imgur.com/0Lp7Agd.jpg <cite>SunWuKung420 posted [p:896706053] in Dad of 14 ... [t:76351782]...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote>If it's a private school that's allowed. If it was a public school then he should have been fired.</quote> Why? If it was after school and voluntary, why persecute the guy for sharing his beliefs with some of his students? Because he used his classroom? That's not a good enough reason. If it was after school tutoring or purely philosophical discussions (much of bible study is that), would you still fire him?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 02/24/18 8:12:19 PM #24:	SunWuKung420 posted... Revelation34 posted... If it's a private school that's allowed. If it was a public school then he should have been fired. Why? If it was after school and voluntary, why persecute the guy for sharing his beliefs with some of his students? Because he used his classroom? That's not a good enough reason. Religion doesn't belong in schools. If it's still at the school then it's still at the school. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:896706100] in Dad of 14 ... [t:76351782]...</cite> <quote><cite>SunWuKung420 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote>If it's a private school that's allowed. If it was a public school then he should have been fired.</quote> Why? If it was after school and voluntary, why persecute the guy for sharing his beliefs with some of his students? Because he used his classroom? That's not a good enough reason.</quote> Religion doesn't belong in schools. If it's still at the school then it's still at the school.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SunWuKung420 02/24/18 8:14:33 PM #25:	Revelation34 posted... SunWuKung420 posted... Revelation34 posted... If it's a private school that's allowed. If it was a public school then he should have been fired. Why? If it was after school and voluntary, why persecute the guy for sharing his beliefs with some of his students? Because he used his classroom? That's not a good enough reason. Religion doesn't belong in schools. If it's still at the school then it's still at the school. Yea, you're just being obstinate because you hate religion. He wasn't doing it during school hours and hopefully not grading those who attended favorably, then he did nothing wrong. --- I'm snotty because I prefer freshly cooked food that isn't full of fillers and/or preservatives.ha http://i.imgur.com/m8f7VYf.jpg http://i.imgur.com/0Lp7Agd.jpg <cite>SunWuKung420 posted [p:896706207] in Dad of 14 ... [t:76351782]...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SunWuKung420 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote>If it's a private school that's allowed. If it was a public school then he should have been fired.</quote> Why? If it was after school and voluntary, why persecute the guy for sharing his beliefs with some of his students? Because he used his classroom? That's not a good enough reason.</quote> Religion doesn't belong in schools. If it's still at the school then it's still at the school.</quote> Yea, you're just being obstinate because you hate religion. He wasn't doing it during school hours and hopefully not grading those who attended favorably, then he did nothing wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 02/24/18 8:16:52 PM #26:	SunWuKung420 posted... Yea, you're just being obstinate because you hate religion. He wasn't doing it during school hours and hopefully not grading those who attended favorably, then he did nothing wrong. Separation of Church and State. During school hours doesn't matter, once again. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:896706313] in Dad of 14 ... [t:76351782]...</cite> <quote><cite>SunWuKung420 posted...</cite> <quote>Yea, you're just being obstinate because you hate religion. He wasn't doing it during school hours and hopefully not grading those who attended favorably, then he did nothing wrong.</quote> Separation of Church and State. During school hours doesn't matter, once again.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dioxxys 02/25/18 12:00:40 AM #27:	Revelation34 posted... He should send his thoughts and prayers to the victims too. dioxxys posted... SinisterSlay posted... Christian values caused this mess, with their love of violence and hatred of love. So not sure how more Christian values will fix it. Yeah no thats the opposite of what Christians stand for The Crusades. That's the burden of those dirty Catholics! Not us protestants! Jkjk, but does the concept of generational sins something you embrace? "Yar, yur father was a criminal so you are too!" <cite>dioxxys posted [p:896716764] in Dad of 14 ... [t:76351782]...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote>He should send his thoughts and prayers to the victims too. <cite>dioxxys posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SinisterSlay posted...</cite> <quote>Christian values caused this mess, with their love of violence and hatred of love. So not sure how more Christian values will fix it.</quote> Yeah no thats the opposite of what Christians stand for</quote> The Crusades.</quote> That's the burden of those dirty Catholics! Not us protestants! Jkjk, but does the concept of generational sins something you embrace? "Yar, yur father was a criminal so you are too!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 02/25/18 12:55:11 PM #28:	dioxxys posted... Revelation34 posted... He should send his thoughts and prayers to the victims too. dioxxys posted... SinisterSlay posted... Christian values caused this mess, with their love of violence and hatred of love. So not sure how more Christian values will fix it. Yeah no thats the opposite of what Christians stand for The Crusades. That's the burden of those dirty Catholics! Not us protestants! Jkjk, but does the concept of generational sins something you embrace? "Yar, yur father was a criminal so you are too!" Modern Christians extremists just bomb abortion clinics. Also you're the one who said that violence is the opposite of Christianity. The Crusades flat out proved that statement wrong. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:896740069] in Dad of 14 ... [t:76351782]...</cite> <quote><cite>dioxxys posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote>He should send his thoughts and prayers to the victims too. <cite>dioxxys posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SinisterSlay posted...</cite> <quote>Christian values caused this mess, with their love of violence and hatred of love. So not sure how more Christian values will fix it.</quote> Yeah no thats the opposite of what Christians stand for</quote> The Crusades.</quote> That's the burden of those dirty Catholics! Not us protestants! Jkjk, but does the concept of generational sins something you embrace? "Yar, yur father was a criminal so you are too!"</quote> Modern Christians extremists just bomb abortion clinics. Also you're the one who said that violence is the opposite of Christianity. The Crusades flat out proved that statement wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TyVulpine 02/25/18 1:03:50 PM #29:	Yes, because the Christian god never allows children to be murdered, die of starvation, be molested, etc. Oh, wait. --- Fall down, go boom... Life is like a box of chocolates. Most of it is crap. <cite>TyVulpine posted [p:896740431] in Dad of 14 ... [t:76351782]...</cite> <quote>Yes, because the Christian god never allows children to be murdered, die of starvation, be molested, etc. Oh, wait.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StarReaper13 02/25/18 3:03:41 PM #30:	Didn't people following the church end up going on an adventure based off of killing? You know, the Crusades? Religion isn't answer considering people are always down to make their god happy. --- Ignore when people say that the title length is not important, that a title should just convey what the game is about. They're just jealous theirs isn't as long <cite>StarReaper13 posted [p:896746457] in Dad of 14 ... [t:76351782]...</cite> <quote>Didn't people following the church end up going on an adventure based off of killing? You know, the Crusades? Religion isn't answer considering people are always down to make their god happy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dioxxys 02/25/18 7:44:47 PM #31:	Revelation34 posted... dioxxys posted... Revelation34 posted... He should send his thoughts and prayers to the victims too. dioxxys posted... SinisterSlay posted... Christian values caused this mess, with their love of violence and hatred of love. So not sure how more Christian values will fix it. Yeah no thats the opposite of what Christians stand for The Crusades. That's the burden of those dirty Catholics! Not us protestants! Jkjk, but does the concept of generational sins something you embrace? "Yar, yur father was a criminal so you are too!" Modern Christians extremists just bomb abortion clinics. Also you're the one who said that violence is the opposite of Christianity. The Crusades flat out proved that statement wrong. I assure you there is a plethora of Christians who have raped, murdered, stolen, committed arson, etc but that doesnt mean thats what they teach them to do in church XD In fact the whole basis of Christianity is that we are flawed beings and only Jesus can save us from our own sin. <cite>dioxxys posted [p:896760744] in Dad of 14 ... [t:76351782]...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>dioxxys posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote>He should send his thoughts and prayers to the victims too. <cite>dioxxys posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SinisterSlay posted...</cite> <quote>Christian values caused this mess, with their love of violence and hatred of love. So not sure how more Christian values will fix it.</quote> Yeah no thats the opposite of what Christians stand for</quote> The Crusades.</quote> That's the burden of those dirty Catholics! Not us protestants! Jkjk, but does the concept of generational sins something you embrace? "Yar, yur father was a criminal so you are too!"</quote> Modern Christians extremists just bomb abortion clinics. Also you're the one who said that violence is the opposite of Christianity. The Crusades flat out proved that statement wrong.</quote> I assure you there is a plethora of Christians who have raped, murdered, stolen, committed arson, etc but that doesnt mean thats what they teach them to do in church XD In fact the whole basis of Christianity is that we are flawed beings and only Jesus can save us from our own sin.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dioxxys 02/25/18 7:46:01 PM #32:	TyVulpine posted... Yes, because the Christian god never allows children to be murdered, die of starvation, be molested, etc. Oh, wait. who said he wouldnt let that happen? <cite>dioxxys posted [p:896760823] in Dad of 14 ... [t:76351782]...</cite> <quote><cite>TyVulpine posted...</cite> <quote>Yes, because the Christian god never allows children to be murdered, die of starvation, be molested, etc. Oh, wait.</quote> who said he wouldnt let that happen?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TyVulpine 02/25/18 8:10:55 PM #33:	dioxxys posted... TyVulpine posted... Yes, because the Christian god never allows children to be murdered, die of starvation, be molested, etc. Oh, wait. who said he wouldnt let that happen? What kind of benevolent god that is claimed to love their children (humanity) would stand by and let that kind of thing happen? --- Fall down, go boom... Life is like a box of chocolates. Most of it is crap. <cite>TyVulpine posted [p:896762215] in Dad of 14 ... [t:76351782]...</cite> <quote><cite>dioxxys posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TyVulpine posted...</cite> <quote>Yes, because the Christian god never allows children to be murdered, die of starvation, be molested, etc. Oh, wait.</quote> who said he wouldnt let that happen?</quote> What kind of benevolent god that is claimed to love their children (humanity) would stand by and let that kind of thing happen?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dioxxys 02/25/18 9:08:32 PM #34:	TyVulpine posted... dioxxys posted... TyVulpine posted... Yes, because the Christian god never allows children to be murdered, die of starvation, be molested, etc. Oh, wait. who said he wouldnt let that happen? What kind of benevolent god that is claimed to love their children (humanity) would stand by and let that kind of thing happen? Well for one God wouldnt show preferential treatment over the young/old, he would love them equally. And according the christian bible, he originally did have everything set for perfection (no murder, disease, etc) but when man sinned, he then cursed the earth to act as we know it. So really if we look at the root cause its free will. God wanted to give man choice because he didnt want to create beings who were about the same as robots. He wanted mankind to choose to love him and make the right decisions on their own. Having free choice means you can do good or bad with it. Divine intervention every time someone made a bad choice would mean you might as well throw free will out the window. This is all assuming a Judeo-Christian God existed/exists. <cite>dioxxys posted [p:896765648] in Dad of 14 ... [t:76351782]...</cite> <quote><cite>TyVulpine posted...</cite> <quote><cite>dioxxys posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TyVulpine posted...</cite> <quote>Yes, because the Christian god never allows children to be murdered, die of starvation, be molested, etc. Oh, wait.</quote> who said he wouldnt let that happen?</quote> What kind of benevolent god that is claimed to love their children (humanity) would stand by and let that kind of thing happen?</quote> Well for one God wouldnt show preferential treatment over the young/old, he would love them equally. And according the christian bible, he originally did have everything set for perfection (no murder, disease, etc) but when man sinned, he then cursed the earth to act as we know it. So really if we look at the root cause its free will. God wanted to give man choice because he didnt want to create beings who were about the same as robots. He wanted mankind to choose to love him and make the right decisions on their own. Having free choice means you can do good or bad with it. Divine intervention every time someone made a bad choice would mean you might as well throw free will out the window. This is all assuming a Judeo-Christian God existed/exists.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 02/25/18 9:19:12 PM #35:	Full Throttle posted... Do you think Christian Family Values is the answer to stop mass shootings? Well, if people actually observed them it might. Then again, if they just observed "don't attack or rob anybody," we'd really have the same outcome except we'd get to keep all of that groovy premarital sex. (Was going to post the Jason X clip but then realized it had nudity in it >_>) Lokarin posted... You already have Christian values, maybe try secularism for a change Uh, secularism and mass shootings have both been on the rise in recent decades. If secularism was a fix, the number of mass shootings would be going down, not up. Revelation34 posted... The Crusades. You mean a landgrab which kings tried to justify by claiming Christianity? --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:896766321] in Dad of 14 ... [t:76351782]...</cite> <quote><cite>Full Throttle posted...</cite> <quote>Do you think Christian Family Values is the answer to stop mass shootings? </quote> Well, if people actually observed them it might. Then again, if they just observed "don't attack or rob anybody," we'd really have the same outcome except we'd get to keep all of that groovy premarital sex. (Was going to post the Jason X clip but then realized it had nudity in it >_>) <cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote>You already have Christian values, maybe try secularism for a change</quote> Uh, secularism and mass shootings have both been on the rise in recent decades. If secularism was a fix, the number of mass shootings would be going down, not up. <cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote>The Crusades.</quote> You mean a landgrab which kings tried to justify by claiming Christianity?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
shipwreckers 02/25/18 9:28:45 PM #36:	TyVulpine posted... dioxxys posted... TyVulpine posted... Yes, because the Christian god never allows children to be murdered, die of starvation, be molested, etc. Oh, wait. who said he wouldnt let that happen? What kind of benevolent god that is claimed to love their children (humanity) would stand by and let that kind of thing happen? This has to be the worst cookie-cutter response I keep seeing regurgitated in these debates ad nauseam. You can't have it both ways. Either the "God" would have to: 1) give you the freedom to do whatever you want (in which case you can do anything from helping people like Mother Teresa, or slaughtering children like in the Rwandan Genocide; you CHOOSE. You have FREE WILL). OR...., 2) force his will on you, removing your freedom to choose your actions. You'd have a "Nanny God" who is constantly preventing any action that ever hurts anyone (by FORCE). We're talking 100% authoritarian rule with zero tolerance for anything less than perfection. Granted, there's no murder or hurt with a "Nanny God," but you're reduced to nothing more than a holy robot forced to be perfect all the time. That's the really sad part of free will. It's a blessing and a curse at the same time. --- Money is overrated... <cite>shipwreckers posted [p:896766929] in Dad of 14 ... [t:76351782]...</cite> <quote><cite>TyVulpine posted...</cite> <quote><cite>dioxxys posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TyVulpine posted...</cite> <quote>Yes, because the Christian god never allows children to be murdered, die of starvation, be molested, etc. Oh, wait.</quote> who said he wouldnt let that happen?</quote> What kind of benevolent god that is claimed to love their children (humanity) would stand by and let that kind of thing happen?</quote> This has to be the worst cookie-cutter response I keep seeing regurgitated in these debates ad nauseam. You can't have it both ways. Either the "God" would have to: 1) give you the freedom to do whatever you want (in which case you can do anything from helping people like Mother Teresa, or slaughtering children like in the Rwandan Genocide; you CHOOSE. You have FREE WILL). OR...., 2) force his will on you, removing your freedom to choose your actions. You'd have a "Nanny God" who is constantly preventing any action that ever hurts anyone (by FORCE). We're talking 100% authoritarian rule with zero tolerance for anything less than perfection. Granted, there's no murder or hurt with a "Nanny God," but you're reduced to nothing more than a holy robot forced to be perfect all the time. That's the really sad part of free will. It's a blessing and a curse at the same time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dioxxys 02/25/18 10:07:41 PM #37:	Already ninja'd you dude <cite>dioxxys posted [p:896769439] in Dad of 14 ... [t:76351782]...</cite> <quote>Already ninja'd you dude</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TyVulpine 02/25/18 10:30:40 PM #38:	dioxxys posted... TyVulpine posted... dioxxys posted... TyVulpine posted... Yes, because the Christian god never allows children to be murdered, die of starvation, be molested, etc. Oh, wait. who said he wouldnt let that happen? What kind of benevolent god that is claimed to love their children (humanity) would stand by and let that kind of thing happen? Well for one God wouldnt show preferential treatment over the young/old, he would love them equally. And according the christian bible, he originally did have everything set for perfection (no murder, disease, etc) but when man sinned, he then cursed the earth to act as we know it. So really if we look at the root cause its free will. God wanted to give man choice because he didnt want to create beings who were about the same as robots. He wanted mankind to choose to love him and make the right decisions on their own. Having free choice means you can do good or bad with it. Divine intervention every time someone made a bad choice would mean you might as well throw free will out the window. This is all assuming a Judeo-Christian God existed/exists. And there we go with the free will problem. I give you the choice to love you or go your own way. Oh, but if you go your own way, Ill cast you into a lake of fire to be tortured and made to scream for all eternity. --- Fall down, go boom... Life is like a box of chocolates. Most of it is crap. <cite>TyVulpine posted [p:896771015] in Dad of 14 ... [t:76351782]...</cite> <quote><cite>dioxxys posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TyVulpine posted...</cite> <quote><cite>dioxxys posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TyVulpine posted...</cite> <quote>Yes, because the Christian god never allows children to be murdered, die of starvation, be molested, etc. Oh, wait.</quote> who said he wouldnt let that happen?</quote> What kind of benevolent god that is claimed to love their children (humanity) would stand by and let that kind of thing happen?</quote> Well for one God wouldnt show preferential treatment over the young/old, he would love them equally. And according the christian bible, he originally did have everything set for perfection (no murder, disease, etc) but when man sinned, he then cursed the earth to act as we know it. So really if we look at the root cause its free will. God wanted to give man choice because he didnt want to create beings who were about the same as robots. He wanted mankind to choose to love him and make the right decisions on their own. Having free choice means you can do good or bad with it. Divine intervention every time someone made a bad choice would mean you might as well throw free will out the window. This is all assuming a Judeo-Christian God existed/exists.</quote> And there we go with the free will problem. I give you the choice to love you or go your own way. Oh, but if you go your own way, Ill cast you into a lake of fire to be tortured and made to scream for all eternity.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 02/25/18 11:38:13 PM #39:	Zeus posted... You mean a landgrab which kings tried to justify by claiming Christianity? That must be why they didn't kill people for not converting. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:896775359] in Dad of 14 ... [t:76351782]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>You mean a landgrab which kings tried to justify by claiming Christianity?</quote> That must be why they didn't kill people for not converting.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dioxxys 02/25/18 11:49:37 PM #40:	TyVulpine posted... And there we go with the free will problem. I give you the choice to love you or go your own way. Oh, but if you go your own way, Ill cast you into a lake of fire to be tortured and made to scream for all eternity. Well the whole basis for christianity is that we are imperfect beings and need to "be born again in christ" (whatever that means) to cleanse us of our sin so that we may be in the presence of God in heaven. Its like a "no-smoking" indoors policy. You cant just expect to be a sinful lil demon and get into heaven https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1061/1924/products/Smiling_Devil_Emoji_large.png?v=1480481056 Then thats where another misconception of heaven comes into play. You dont do xx amount of good deeds or xx amount of bad deeds because no matter what you did because every human at least lies which is considered a sin. And one sin qualifies you to go to hell. But the Jesus man, he washes you clean. PS If you or anyone else is wondering why I know so much about this but dont claim to be christian or religious...its because my family forced me to go to church every single sunday for the first 20 years of my life unless I was sick. So now I hate going to church :D <cite>dioxxys posted [p:896775939] in Dad of 14 ... [t:76351782]...</cite> <quote><cite>TyVulpine posted...</cite> <quote>And there we go with the free will problem. I give you the choice to love you or go your own way. Oh, but if you go your own way, Ill cast you into a lake of fire to be tortured and made to scream for all eternity.</quote> Well the whole basis for christianity is that we are imperfect beings and need to "be born again in christ" (whatever that means) to cleanse us of our sin so that we may be in the presence of God in heaven. Its like a "no-smoking" indoors policy. You cant just expect to be a sinful lil demon and get into heaven https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1061/1924/products/Smiling_Devil_Emoji_large.png?v=1480481056 Then thats where another misconception of heaven comes into play. You dont do xx amount of good deeds or xx amount of bad deeds because no matter what you did because every human at least lies which is considered a sin. And one sin qualifies you to go to hell. But the Jesus man, he washes you clean. PS If you or anyone else is wondering why I know so much about this but dont claim to be christian or religious...its because my family forced me to go to church every single sunday for the first 20 years of my life unless I was sick. So now I hate going to church :D</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dioxxys 02/25/18 11:50:22 PM #41:	Revelation34 posted... Zeus posted... You mean a landgrab which kings tried to justify by claiming Christianity? That must be why they didn't kill people for not converting. Hey revelation the same thing I replied to you still applies here. <cite>dioxxys posted [p:896775980] in Dad of 14 ... [t:76351782]...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>You mean a landgrab which kings tried to justify by claiming Christianity?</quote> That must be why they didn't kill people for not converting.</quote> Hey revelation the same thing I replied to you still applies here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TyVulpine 02/25/18 11:54:29 PM #42:	We werent exactly religious when I was a child until I was about 14-15, and my parents divorced and when my dad got custody (long story there), we went to church and CCD every Sunday (with one or two exceptions for weather related issues). Back then I did believe, until I started thinking about how Christianity could be right and every other religion, including those older than Christianity, be wrong, along with logistical problems with the Bible (like how all the animals in the Americas got across the Atlantic to the Ark and back again or animals in Australia, Japan, etc). --- Fall down, go boom... Life is like a box of chocolates. Most of it is crap. <cite>TyVulpine posted [p:896776192] in Dad of 14 ... [t:76351782]...</cite> <quote>We werent exactly religious when I was a child until I was about 14-15, and my parents divorced and when my dad got custody (long story there), we went to church and CCD every Sunday (with one or two exceptions for weather related issues). Back then I did believe, until I started thinking about how Christianity could be right and every other religion, including those older than Christianity, be wrong, along with logistical problems with the Bible (like how all the animals in the Americas got across the Atlantic to the Ark and back again or animals in Australia, Japan, etc).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 02/26/18 12:04:44 AM #43:	dioxxys posted... Revelation34 posted... Zeus posted... You mean a landgrab which kings tried to justify by claiming Christianity? That must be why they didn't kill people for not converting. Hey revelation the same thing I replied to you still applies here. That's actually wrong since they preach from the bible in church and the bible mentions many of those things you mentioned. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:896776718] in Dad of 14 ... [t:76351782]...</cite> <quote><cite>dioxxys posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>You mean a landgrab which kings tried to justify by claiming Christianity?</quote> That must be why they didn't kill people for not converting.</quote> Hey revelation the same thing I replied to you still applies here.</quote> That's actually wrong since they preach from the bible in church and the bible mentions many of those things you mentioned.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dioxxys 02/26/18 12:23:03 AM #44:	Yeah I like evidence and facts, which I wasnt really getting with Christianity... :/ And I didnt have the blind faith everyone else seemed to have. By highschool age, I often skipped with my brother and just went to an abandoned building they only used for early morning classes. <cite>dioxxys posted [p:896777597] in Dad of 14 ... [t:76351782]...</cite> <quote>Yeah I like evidence and facts, which I wasnt really getting with Christianity... :/ And I didnt have the blind faith everyone else seemed to have. By highschool age, I often skipped with my brother and just went to an abandoned building they only used for early morning classes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
vhiran 02/26/18 12:58:16 AM #45:	it would be better than atheism which always leads to nihilism, nihilism being a very bad thing for society. just look at this thread replies with all the edgy nihilists... if nothing means anything why should anyone care? if life has no inherent value why not take it so you feel better for 10 seconds? nihilism is the cancerous rot that will end civilization. --- inventor of the CHILL raid run. <cite>vhiran posted [p:896779030] in Dad of 14 ... [t:76351782]...</cite> <quote>it would be better than atheism which always leads to nihilism, nihilism being a very bad thing for society. just look at this thread replies with all the edgy nihilists... if nothing means anything why should anyone care? if life has no inherent value why not take it so you feel better for 10 seconds? nihilism is the cancerous rot that will end civilization.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 02/26/18 1:01:19 AM #46:	vhiran posted... it would be better than atheism which always leads to nihilism, nihilism being a very bad thing for society. just look at this thread replies with all the edgy nihilists... if nothing means anything why should anyone care? if life has no inherent value why not take it so you feel better for 10 seconds? nihilism is the cancerous rot that will end civilization. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FopyRHHlt3M --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:896779145] in Dad of 14 ... [t:76351782]...</cite> <quote><cite>vhiran posted...</cite> <quote>it would be better than atheism which always leads to nihilism, nihilism being a very bad thing for society. just look at this thread replies with all the edgy nihilists... if nothing means anything why should anyone care? if life has no inherent value why not take it so you feel better for 10 seconds? nihilism is the cancerous rot that will end civilization.</quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FopyRHHlt3M</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
shipwreckers 02/26/18 1:35:09 AM #47:	dioxxys posted... Already ninja'd you dude Yeah, I didn't notice that till after I posted. Oh well. The point stands regardless. --- Money is overrated... <cite>shipwreckers posted [p:896780332] in Dad of 14 ... [t:76351782]...</cite> <quote><cite>dioxxys posted...</cite> <quote>Already ninja'd you dude</quote> Yeah, I didn't notice that till after I posted. Oh well. The point stands regardless.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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