Poll of the Day > Duke Nukem 3D Devs are developing another FPS using old 90s engine.

(+) Yeah! (+)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO6lWC64HqU

90s FPS' are great. I may purchase this.
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I still play Duke 3d mods, so this has got my interest

this sounds like a bad idea
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90s FPSs are some of the most poorly aged games there are. But sure, let's pretend that clunky controls and shitty graphics are good traits.
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GanonsSpirit posted...

90s FPSs are some of the most poorly aged games there are. But sure, let's pretend that clunky controls and shitty graphics are good traits.

They aren't?

GanonsSpirit posted...

90s FPSs are some of the most poorly aged games there are. But sure, let's pretend that clunky controls and shitty graphics are good traits.

Fun nonlinear level design and creativity don't age tho

I like Duke3D, but I don't know. Since you mentioned mods, it seems like you'd just be better off playing those. I'm usually pretty ambivalent towards mods and fan games; if it's a series I care enough about, I want the real deal, but I don't care that much about Duke... and it's not even the real deal, just a spiritual successor.

the true duke nukem

http://captainplanet.wikia.com/wiki/Duke_Nukem
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Also, who cares if it's a good or bad idea? I'm sure the game will be fine for what it is, won't be high-priced, and whatever risk it might be for the studio probably doesn't matter to you because nobody cares about 3D Realms anymore (who I honestly thought no longer existed... is this the real 3D Realms or just some completely rebuilt studio using the name, like Sierra?)

My feelings based on that trailer:


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I might buy it physical if it was on store shelves with the big 90's PC packaging.
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I'm looking forward to it, old school FPS is always good and I'd say they'll come up with someting nice, even with the old engine. It'll certainly run fast and smooth and on pretty much anything so speedrunners will be losing their minds.
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SteamedHams posted...

who I honestly thought no longer existed... is this the real 3D Realms or just some completely rebuilt studio using the name, like Sierra?)

It still exists and there are only 6 employees, including the original founders Scott Miller and George Broussard, whom were both key people for Duke Nukem 3D.
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Right, I got confused because I thought they didn't finish DNF. I was just reading about it, and I guess they indeed didn't finish it, but stayed in existence anyway? And apparently Gearbox owns Duke Nukem now, but 3D Realms kept trying to get into a bunch of failed lawsuits and even tried to make some Duke Nukem game they didn't have the rights to. Between all that and DNF's development hell, it sounds like these guys don't know what the hell they're doing.

Reminds me of Brutal Doom in a really good way.

BTW if you haven't tried Brutal Doom yet, you should. It's fantastic.

VioletZer0 posted...

Reminds me of Brutal Doom in a really good way.

BTW if you haven't tried Brutal Doom yet, you should. It's fantastic.

Made me fall in love with Doom again

Andromicus posted...

Fun nonlinear level design and creativity don't age tho

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I do think that 90's FPS level design didn't age well because they were very maze-like and it was very easy to get lost. Especially in Duke 3D.

However, that being said the linear corridor shooter was not an improvement.

It's not just the level design, but the lack of checkpoints that bugs me. Honestly I think I've only beaten Duke 3D on the XBLA version and N64 co-op, since those at least allow you to respawn in the middle of the level. For that reason I could never really get into Doom, but I'm not sure if there are versions out there with more forgiving respawns. Health is another thing that annoys me - I don't love regen mechanics (especially when the cover is too abundant), but being stuck at low health on a level mostly cleared of enemies sucks.

Half-Life 2 (and maybe the first Half-Life is like this, but I haven't played it) is the only FPS I've played that really nails the structure. You have health, but it seems to do a good job of dynamically giving you what you need and there are plenty of recharge stations. There are checkpoints, but the game is basically one continuous level, so it's understandable and not overly generous. The overall structure is linear, but there are little puzzles all over the place that don't involve esoteric keys and mashing the action button.

as long as they are having fun... i'm down with this game.
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Looks fucking bad ass!
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[obligatory Switch portbeg]

SteamedHams posted...

It's not just the level design, but the lack of checkpoints that bugs me. Honestly I think I've only beaten Duke 3D on the XBLA version and N64 co-op, since those at least allow you to respawn in the middle of the level. For that reason I could never really get into Doom, but I'm not sure if there are versions out there with more forgiving respawns. Health is another thing that annoys me - I don't love regen mechanics (especially when the cover is too abundant), but being stuck at low health on a level mostly cleared of enemies sucks.

Half-Life 2 (and maybe the first Half-Life is like this, but I haven't played it) is the only FPS I've played that really nails the structure. You have health, but it seems to do a good job of dynamically giving you what you need and there are plenty of recharge stations. There are checkpoints, but the game is basically one continuous level, so it's understandable and not overly generous. The overall structure is linear, but there are little puzzles all over the place that don't involve esoteric keys and mashing the action button.

In old FPS I know you could save at any point in the game.

I don't remember it being like that. Maybe with an emulator, but that's not an actual part of the game... and can you emulate a PC game on PC? Actually, I bet that probably is a thing, especially with DOS games.

Of course, even if it does require saving via save states, I've long since lost my shame over using save states, so that's a viable option.

SteamedHams posted...

Also, who cares if it's a good or bad idea? I'm sure the game will be fine for what it is, won't be high-priced, and whatever risk it might be for the studio probably doesn't matter to you because nobody cares about 3D Realms anymore (who I honestly thought no longer existed... is this the real 3D Realms or just some completely rebuilt studio using the name, like Sierra?)

It is made by Voidpoint, which got a combination of EDuke32 developers and Duke Nukem 3D mappers and modders.
3Drealms is still the old 3Drealms.
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SteamedHams posted...

I don't remember it being like that. Maybe with an emulator, but that's not an actual part of the game... and can you emulate a PC game on PC? Actually, I bet that probably is a thing, especially with DOS games.

Of course, even if it does require saving via save states, I've long since lost my shame over using save states, so that's a viable option.

Most PC fps allowed you to save/load anywhere you want, most even had a quicksave/quickload button.
And yes, you can emulate old DOS games with DOSbox. I dont think it supports save states.
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PLEASE let there be a level editor like Duke had!
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It is supposed to be out as early access on Steam.
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Foppe posted...

Most PC fps allowed you to save/load anywhere you want, most even had a quicksave/quickload button.
And yes, you can emulate old DOS games with DOSbox. I dont think it supports save states.

Well, I must have sucked at them then if I didn't notice. Though to be fair, I don't think I actually played a lot of those PC FPS on PC very much.

Thank you for sharing this. This is pretty much an instant buy.
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So... it it going to have 1999 minimum specs, or 2019?

OS: Windows 7/8/8.1/10 x64
CPU: Intel Pentium Dual Core E2220 (2*2400) or equivalent / AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 5000+ (2*2600) or equivalent
Memory: 2048 MB RAM
Graphic: GeForce 8600 GT (512 MB) or equivalent / Radeon HD 4670 (512 MB) or equivalent
DirectX: Version 11

Seems like a PC from 2008 is enough.
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Coming 2046!
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I thought 3D Realms was basically just a name for a company now that was based in the Netherlands and only owned the rights/properties. Not the actual developers.

Anyways, I will probably buy it. It looks fun at least.
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Dikitain posted...

I thought 3D Realms was basically just a name for a company now that was based in the Netherlands and only owned the rights/properties. Not the actual developers.

Anyways, I will probably buy it. It looks fun at least.

A dane bought 3D Realms, and it is still located in Texas.
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