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andel
03/09/18 1:28:48 PM
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? surely he has to know that most people loathe him and consider him a failure...or at least you would think he at least has that much self awareness
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GoodOlJr
03/09/18 1:30:04 PM
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at the face value of this question. I think he is aware he's going to be permanently dragged through the mud

he gave up his life in service of the USA though, he's a true hero
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Giant_Aspirin
03/09/18 1:31:08 PM
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of course he doesn't realize that. he's a delusional narcissist who, in his eyes, is never wrong about anything ever.
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BLAKUboy
03/09/18 1:31:19 PM
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ImTheMacheteGuy
03/09/18 1:31:23 PM
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GoodOlJr posted...

he gave up his life in service of the USA though, he's a true hero


Imagine actually believing this.
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andel
03/09/18 1:31:58 PM
#6:


GoodOlJr posted...
at the face value of this question. I think he is aware he's going to be permanently dragged through the mud

he gave up his life in service of the USA though, he's a true hero


imagine being this ignorant
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The Admiral
03/09/18 1:32:25 PM
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Depends on if it's a whiny liberal writing the history book or not. There is no objective measure by which Trump is close to one of the worst presidents based on what he's done yet aside from "he hurts muh feelz!"
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hollow_shrine
03/09/18 1:33:09 PM
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I don't think Trump knows what year it is or can remember more than one thing at a time. That's why he gets rolled so easily into agreeing with anyone who talks with him. And when it gets too hard, he throws temper tantrums.
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andel
03/09/18 1:33:49 PM
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The Admiral posted...
Depends on if it's a whiny liberal writing the history book or not. There is no objective measure by which Trump is close to one of the worst presidents based on what he's done yet aside from "he hurts muh feelz!"


being completely unable to implement his agenda even when his party control the entire government and being mired in scandal is an objective measure in which he is a failure tbh
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s0nicfan
03/09/18 1:34:04 PM
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If anything, History will look at him as a totally middle of the road POTUS. Once we get out of the "omg he's the worst" phase and we start comparing him to presidents that did things like actual internment camps and the trail of tears, the outrage will settle into indifference.
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GoodOlJr
03/09/18 1:34:21 PM
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
GoodOlJr posted...

he gave up his life in service of the USA though, he's a true hero


Imagine actually believing this.


well im being facetious

i don't think you could refute that, on some level his reputation worsened after running and taking office

you could argue that that damage to his status/freedom is significant
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Lil_Bit83
03/09/18 1:34:34 PM
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The man is a complete looney and has no sense of self awareness, so no.
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The Admiral
03/09/18 1:35:53 PM
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andel posted...
The Admiral posted...
Depends on if it's a whiny liberal writing the history book or not. There is no objective measure by which Trump is close to one of the worst presidents based on what he's done yet aside from "he hurts muh feelz!"


being completely unable to implement his agenda even when his party control the entire government and being mired in scandal is an objective measure in which he is a failure tbh


https://www.npr.org/2017/12/28/573812678/trump-accomplished-a-lot-in-2017-but-at-what-cost
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Giant_Aspirin
03/09/18 1:36:07 PM
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The Admiral posted...
Depends on if it's a whiny liberal writing the history book or not. There is no objective measure by which Trump is close to one of the worst presidents based on what he's done yet aside from "he hurts muh feelz!"


It also depends on the result of the Mueller investigation. this is potentially the most significant political scandal in our nation's history. it puts Watergate to shame with how much corruption and guilty we're possibly looking at.

even if that investigation results in a nothingburger (which is a huge "IF", IMO) i think Trump will be remembered the most for his divisiveness and how much of a divide he caused in this country.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
03/09/18 1:36:38 PM
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The Admiral posted...
Depends on if it's a whiny liberal writing the history book or not. There is no objective measure by which Trump is close to one of the worst presidents based on what he's done yet aside from "he hurts muh feelz!"


I was about to ask for someone to post an example of trolling as defined by the ToU. Now I no longer have to.
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The Admiral
03/09/18 1:37:36 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
If anything, History will look at him as a totally middle of the road POTUS. Once we get out of the "omg he's the worst" phase and we start comparing him to presidents that did things like actual internment camps and the trail of tears, the outrage will settle into indifference.


Pretty much. I mean, Trump still has 2.5 years to fuck up, but once the whiny millennials become irrelevant and younger generations read about Trump, they'll basically see him as Gerald Ford.
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Phantom_Nook
03/09/18 1:37:52 PM
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it's already happening.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/02/19/opinion/how-does-trump-stack-up-against-the-best-and-worst-presidents.html
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Deadpool_18
03/09/18 1:38:07 PM
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
GoodOlJr posted...

he gave up his life in service of the USA though, he's a true hero


Imagine actually believing this.


Some people actually do. Everything is so black and white for the majority of the US population. Most still believe that signing up for the military as your last resort before hitting the ground is honorable and automatically worthy of respect.
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The Admiral
03/09/18 1:38:18 PM
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
The Admiral posted...
Depends on if it's a whiny liberal writing the history book or not. There is no objective measure by which Trump is close to one of the worst presidents based on what he's done yet aside from "he hurts muh feelz!"


I was about to ask for someone to post an example of trolling as defined by the ToU. Now I no longer have to.


"It's trolling because it hurts my feelings."
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ImTheMacheteGuy
03/09/18 1:39:33 PM
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The Admiral posted...
andel posted...
The Admiral posted...
Depends on if it's a whiny liberal writing the history book or not. There is no objective measure by which Trump is close to one of the worst presidents based on what he's done yet aside from "he hurts muh feelz!"


being completely unable to implement his agenda even when his party control the entire government and being mired in scandal is an objective measure in which he is a failure tbh


https://www.npr.org/2017/12/28/573812678/trump-accomplished-a-lot-in-2017-but-at-what-cost


I mean okay but did you even read your own link? But at what cost?
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andel
03/09/18 1:39:44 PM
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The Admiral posted...
andel posted...
The Admiral posted...
Depends on if it's a whiny liberal writing the history book or not. There is no objective measure by which Trump is close to one of the worst presidents based on what he's done yet aside from "he hurts muh feelz!"


being completely unable to implement his agenda even when his party control the entire government and being mired in scandal is an objective measure in which he is a failure tbh


https://www.npr.org/2017/12/28/573812678/trump-accomplished-a-lot-in-2017-but-at-what-cost


the only thing he actually did was a tax cut that he wasn't even needed for. he accomplished essentially nothing and the senate and congress are actually responsible for the repulsive bill.

trump is already universally maligned and has the worst approval of any president through one year in modern memory
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The Admiral
03/09/18 1:40:42 PM
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
The Admiral posted...
andel posted...
The Admiral posted...
Depends on if it's a whiny liberal writing the history book or not. There is no objective measure by which Trump is close to one of the worst presidents based on what he's done yet aside from "he hurts muh feelz!"


being completely unable to implement his agenda even when his party control the entire government and being mired in scandal is an objective measure in which he is a failure tbh


https://www.npr.org/2017/12/28/573812678/trump-accomplished-a-lot-in-2017-but-at-what-cost


I mean okay but did you even read your own link? But at what cost?


Did you? The argument was that he hasn't accomplished anything on his agenda. That's completely false.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
03/09/18 1:42:07 PM
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The Admiral posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
The Admiral posted...
Depends on if it's a whiny liberal writing the history book or not. There is no objective measure by which Trump is close to one of the worst presidents based on what he's done yet aside from "he hurts muh feelz!"


I was about to ask for someone to post an example of trolling as defined by the ToU. Now I no longer have to.


"It's trolling because it hurts my feelings."


This must be that "projecting" I keep hearing about from folks like you. What about trump even gives you the idea feelings are hurt from him? Why being feelings up so much all the time? I don't see people in my side dragging the concept of feelings into every conversation like you folks do. I don't see the logic in doing that.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
03/09/18 1:44:29 PM
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The Admiral posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
The Admiral posted...
andel posted...
The Admiral posted...
Depends on if it's a whiny liberal writing the history book or not. There is no objective measure by which Trump is close to one of the worst presidents based on what he's done yet aside from "he hurts muh feelz!"


being completely unable to implement his agenda even when his party control the entire government and being mired in scandal is an objective measure in which he is a failure tbh


https://www.npr.org/2017/12/28/573812678/trump-accomplished-a-lot-in-2017-but-at-what-cost


I mean okay but did you even read your own link? But at what cost?


Did you? The argument was that he hasn't accomplished anything on his agenda. That's completely false.


Yeah but to say he's done well because "he has done things he said he would do but at what cost?" just to refute someone... well that is just presenting a weak and contrarian argument.
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r4X0r
03/09/18 1:44:35 PM
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Worst in what regard? The record high stock market? The record low unemployment? You might not like Trump and that's fine but you're fooling yourself if you don't think he's doing a good job.
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s0nicfan
03/09/18 1:44:45 PM
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andel posted...
trump is already universally maligned and has the worst approval of any president through one year in modern memory


You realize his approval rating is trending pretty close to Obama's, right?

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_mar09
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The Admiral
03/09/18 1:45:40 PM
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
The Admiral posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
The Admiral posted...
andel posted...
The Admiral posted...
Depends on if it's a whiny liberal writing the history book or not. There is no objective measure by which Trump is close to one of the worst presidents based on what he's done yet aside from "he hurts muh feelz!"


being completely unable to implement his agenda even when his party control the entire government and being mired in scandal is an objective measure in which he is a failure tbh


https://www.npr.org/2017/12/28/573812678/trump-accomplished-a-lot-in-2017-but-at-what-cost


I mean okay but did you even read your own link? But at what cost?


Did you? The argument was that he hasn't accomplished anything on his agenda. That's completely false.


Yeah but to say he's done well because "he has done things he said he would do but at what cost?" just to refute someone... well that is just presenting a weak and contrarian argument.


No, it's being factually accurate. Trump has accomplished quite a bit of his agenda so far. Whether that has potentially negative long-term effects is irrelevant to whether he accomplished it.

You guys have lost this one, try moving on to another argument.
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Capn Circus
03/09/18 1:53:04 PM
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Trump has accomplished, so far, more than most presidents in their entire term.
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Phantom_Nook
03/09/18 1:53:33 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
andel posted...
trump is already universally maligned and has the worst approval of any president through one year in modern memory


You realize his approval rating is trending pretty close to Obama's, right?

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_mar09

If you want to use approval ratings:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/
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AdobeFutaShop
03/09/18 1:54:49 PM
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He doesn't care and neither do I.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
03/09/18 1:59:47 PM
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The Admiral posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
The Admiral posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
The Admiral posted...
andel posted...
The Admiral posted...
Depends on if it's a whiny liberal writing the history book or not. There is no objective measure by which Trump is close to one of the worst presidents based on what he's done yet aside from "he hurts muh feelz!"


being completely unable to implement his agenda even when his party control the entire government and being mired in scandal is an objective measure in which he is a failure tbh


https://www.npr.org/2017/12/28/573812678/trump-accomplished-a-lot-in-2017-but-at-what-cost


I mean okay but did you even read your own link? But at what cost?


Did you? The argument was that he hasn't accomplished anything on his agenda. That's completely false.


Yeah but to say he's done well because "he has done things he said he would do but at what cost?" just to refute someone... well that is just presenting a weak and contrarian argument.


No, it's being factually accurate. Trump has accomplished quite a bit of his agenda so far. Whether that has potentially negative long-term effects is irrelevant to whether he accomplished it.

You guys have lost this one, try moving on to another argument.


There's no "you guys." I never stated that I agree on how much of his agenda he actually went through with. The cost is more important to me than his consistency in follow through.
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Uncle Choad
03/09/18 2:01:45 PM
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I'm excited to see all the outrageous media claims in 20-30 years. It'll be like reading a 1974 National Enquirer because none of the "news" was ever true, proven, or ever even happened.

They'll probably have to revise their own history to cover all that shit up, if they're even in business by then.
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Wolf_J_Flywheel
03/09/18 2:04:58 PM
#33:


andel posted...
The Admiral posted...
Depends on if it's a whiny liberal writing the history book or not. There is no objective measure by which Trump is close to one of the worst presidents based on what he's done yet aside from "he hurts muh feelz!"


being completely unable to implement his agenda even when his party control the entire government and being mired in scandal is an objective measure in which he is a failure tbh

What planet are you on? Literally implemented 60%of his campaign promises in first year and half. Obama didnt get that far in 8.
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masticatingman
03/09/18 2:06:39 PM
#34:


Giant_Aspirin posted...
of course he doesn't realize that. he's a delusional narcissist who, in his eyes, is never wrong about anything ever.


As a poster youre the definition of living in an echo chamber
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_Near_
03/09/18 2:06:44 PM
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Giant_Aspirin
03/09/18 2:06:48 PM
#36:


Capn Circus posted...
Trump has accomplished, so far, more than most presidents in their entire term.


you remind me more and more of a junior version of DE in the sense that you're just playing a parody
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gunplagirl
03/09/18 2:07:11 PM
#37:


r4X0r posted...
Worst in what regard? The record high stock market? The record low unemployment? You might not like Trump and that's fine but you're fooling yourself if you don't think he's doing a good job.

There were record highs before the crash that triggered the great depression. And for that matter, it has zero bearing on the typical American outside of the few who have retirement plans.

He also caused a massive decline in stocks several times. Like when he threw a tantrum and threw tariffs on solar energy. And more recently, steel.

And lol if you think the drop in unemployment through most of last year had anything to do with trump when it was still Obama's fiscal year and his policies were still going through for programs that still haven't been totally gutted.
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Giant_Aspirin
03/09/18 2:07:43 PM
#38:


masticatingman posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
of course he doesn't realize that. he's a delusional narcissist who, in his eyes, is never wrong about anything ever.


As a poster youre the definition of living in an echo chamber


CE is very much not an echo chamber, which is one reason I like coming here.

what makes you say that, exactly?
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gunplagirl
03/09/18 2:09:11 PM
#39:


masticatingman posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
of course he doesn't realize that. he's a delusional narcissist who, in his eyes, is never wrong about anything ever.


As a poster youre the definition of living in an echo chamber

Trump is a narcissist. Anyone who's even familiar with the word (not even the personality disorder, but the word narcissist) would know trump is one.

If that's so upsetting then you're the one in a echo chamber and right now it's echoing "I can't hear you lalalala"
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ImTheMacheteGuy
03/09/18 2:11:24 PM
#40:


masticatingman posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
of course he doesn't realize that. he's a delusional narcissist who, in his eyes, is never wrong about anything ever.


As a poster you?re the definition of living in an echo chamber


He's not wrong though.

Edit: and it's hilarious that you bring up echo chambers in a topic where admiral is echoing that "hurt feelings" rhetoric.
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Uncle Choad
03/09/18 2:13:09 PM
#41:


gunplagirl posted...
r4X0r posted...
Worst in what regard? The record high stock market? The record low unemployment? You might not like Trump and that's fine but you're fooling yourself if you don't think he's doing a good job.

There were record highs before the crash that triggered the great depression. And for that matter, it has zero bearing on the typical American outside of the few who have retirement plans.

He also caused a massive decline in stocks several times. Like when he threw a tantrum and threw tariffs on solar energy. And more recently, steel.

And lol if you think the drop in unemployment through most of last year had anything to do with trump when it was still Obama's fiscal year and his policies were still going through for programs that still haven't been totally gutted.


You're pretty much the embodiment of the "Think this is good? Here are 5 reasons why it's bad." headline.
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sktgamer_13dude
03/09/18 2:14:14 PM
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Yeah, the president whos had to change his staff and aides multiple times and is also one of the biggest investigations on the president since Watergate wont go down as a bottom tier president.

Keep telling yourself that Admiral
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gunplagirl
03/09/18 2:15:30 PM
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Uncle Choad posted...
gunplagirl posted...
r4X0r posted...
Worst in what regard? The record high stock market? The record low unemployment? You might not like Trump and that's fine but you're fooling yourself if you don't think he's doing a good job.

There were record highs before the crash that triggered the great depression. And for that matter, it has zero bearing on the typical American outside of the few who have retirement plans.

He also caused a massive decline in stocks several times. Like when he threw a tantrum and threw tariffs on solar energy. And more recently, steel.

And lol if you think the drop in unemployment through most of last year had anything to do with trump when it was still Obama's fiscal year and his policies were still going through for programs that still haven't been totally gutted.


You're pretty much the embodiment of the "Think this is good? Here are 5 reasons why it's bad." headline.


Being informed on situations beyond the immediate intention with how things are portrayed is key to avoiding falling for the lies of people who make careers out of it.
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Uncle Choad
03/09/18 2:17:42 PM
#44:


gunplagirl posted...
Uncle Choad posted...
gunplagirl posted...
r4X0r posted...
Worst in what regard? The record high stock market? The record low unemployment? You might not like Trump and that's fine but you're fooling yourself if you don't think he's doing a good job.

There were record highs before the crash that triggered the great depression. And for that matter, it has zero bearing on the typical American outside of the few who have retirement plans.

He also caused a massive decline in stocks several times. Like when he threw a tantrum and threw tariffs on solar energy. And more recently, steel.

And lol if you think the drop in unemployment through most of last year had anything to do with trump when it was still Obama's fiscal year and his policies were still going through for programs that still haven't been totally gutted.


You're pretty much the embodiment of the "Think this is good? Here are 5 reasons why it's bad." headline.


Being informed on situations beyond the immediate intention with how things are portrayed is key to avoiding falling for the lies of people who make careers out of it.


"Think you have a good idea of what's going on in the world? These 8 reasons may change your mind."
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andel
03/09/18 2:20:01 PM
#45:


The Admiral posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
The Admiral posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
The Admiral posted...
andel posted...
The Admiral posted...
Depends on if it's a whiny liberal writing the history book or not. There is no objective measure by which Trump is close to one of the worst presidents based on what he's done yet aside from "he hurts muh feelz!"


being completely unable to implement his agenda even when his party control the entire government and being mired in scandal is an objective measure in which he is a failure tbh


https://www.npr.org/2017/12/28/573812678/trump-accomplished-a-lot-in-2017-but-at-what-cost


I mean okay but did you even read your own link? But at what cost?


Did you? The argument was that he hasn't accomplished anything on his agenda. That's completely false.


Yeah but to say he's done well because "he has done things he said he would do but at what cost?" just to refute someone... well that is just presenting a weak and contrarian argument.


No, it's being factually accurate. Trump has accomplished quite a bit of his agenda so far. Whether that has potentially negative long-term effects is irrelevant to whether he accomplished it.

You guys have lost this one, try moving on to another argument.


objectively false. of his major campaign promises he has fallen on his face. building a wall that mexico will pay for has not and will not happen (his main campaign promise). banning muslims has not and will not happen. making us safer has not happened and the opposite has happened, he refuses to try and stop russian meddling in our elections and refuses to impose sanctions that he himself signed into law. 'draining the swamp' has not happened and in fact his administration hires more bankers than anyone else and he is mired in scandal while almost all of his campaign has been indicted and charged.

trump hasn't actually done much of anything he promised to do
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Polycosm
03/09/18 2:21:02 PM
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He's definitely on track to be the worst modern president, worse than Nixon. Still, it would be pretty difficult for him to top the likes of Buchanan or Jackson (although he certainly has the tools at his disposal to do so, if he flies completely off the handle).
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Phantom_Nook
03/09/18 2:21:27 PM
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Wolf_J_Flywheel posted...
Literally implemented 60%of his campaign promises

I'll humor you. List all of his promises and the ones he's implemented.
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gunplagirl
03/09/18 2:22:07 PM
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sktgamer_13dude posted...
Yeah, the president whos had to change his staff and aides multiple times and is also one of the biggest investigations on the president since Watergate wont go down as a bottom tier president.

Keep telling yourself that Admiral

Don't forget him leaving hundreds of positions in departments open. And getting lifetime or several years remaining appointees to quit in droves. And the heads of departments he has filled are him putting the person who is three complete opposite of a good choice. Devos hates public schools, is stripping funding from public education, is making it so student loans will have worse rates for anyone who takes them out, and she isn't defending the academic access disabled and lgbg students are lawfully entitled to, among other groups. Or having people getting the epa to okay dropping acts that prevented pouring mining waste into waterways.
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Uncle Choad
03/09/18 2:22:38 PM
#49:


Phantom_Nook posted...
Wolf_J_Flywheel posted...
Literally implemented 60%of his campaign promises

I'll humor you. List all of his promises and the ones he's implemented.


ISIS did get the shit bombed out of them.

"Here's why ISIS was actually a good thing."
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gunplagirl
03/09/18 2:24:00 PM
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Uncle Choad posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Uncle Choad posted...
gunplagirl posted...
r4X0r posted...
Worst in what regard? The record high stock market? The record low unemployment? You might not like Trump and that's fine but you're fooling yourself if you don't think he's doing a good job.

There were record highs before the crash that triggered the great depression. And for that matter, it has zero bearing on the typical American outside of the few who have retirement plans.

He also caused a massive decline in stocks several times. Like when he threw a tantrum and threw tariffs on solar energy. And more recently, steel.

And lol if you think the drop in unemployment through most of last year had anything to do with trump when it was still Obama's fiscal year and his policies were still going through for programs that still haven't been totally gutted.


You're pretty much the embodiment of the "Think this is good? Here are 5 reasons why it's bad." headline.


Being informed on situations beyond the immediate intention with how things are portrayed is key to avoiding falling for the lies of people who make careers out of it.


"Think you have a good idea of what's going on in the world? These 8 reasons may change your mind."

"Porn? On my hard drive? It's more likely than you think."

I love that meme format.

Oh or that "mogwai? Fed after midnight? It's more likely than you think" one, ah ha gremlins does anybody else remember those
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