Board 8 > NBA Stats and Discussion - Where Tanking Happens

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Stan Van Gundy fined $15,000 for calling NBA officials embarrassing to the league
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Ty Lue taking a break from the Cavs due to health issues
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the cancer that is LeBron james
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Bad news for your tanking chances tonight, tranny. Pistons have lost 17 of their last 18 on the road.
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LeonhartFour posted...

Ty Lue taking a break from the Cavs due to health issues

"Bronchitis"
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how're you guys feeling about Blake now? honest question, no trolling meant
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transcience posted...

how're you guys feeling about Blake now? honest question, no trolling meant

Me personally? I'm fine with it. I need to see the team healthy and what moves we make in the offseason to rebalance the roster, but it's clear that there's no offensive help for him so teams hone in on him and force him to shoot long twos and threes. I said it was an overpay at the time and losing that draft pick hurts more since it's gonna be in the lottery (barring a miracle and we win the lottery).

A solid chunk of Pistons fans are absolutely pissed, want everyone fired and new ownership. It's gotten so bad the owner has blocked comments on his instagram or something.

Personally, I'd rather just let SVG finish out his contract and see what he can do. Firing him a year early doesn't solve anything (as our history of firing coaches proves), there's no must have GM and coach waiting out there, and people are putting out names like Chauncey Billups for GM which makes me want to gag. What qualifications does Billups have to take over as GM? Would we even be considering him if he never played for the Pistons? Arn Tellem, a former player agent, was added as vice president and some people think he's the heir apparent (and will take over as GM this offseason while SVG stays on as coach) but once again, what's his qualifications? Negotiating for a client is much different than putting together a winning basketball team.

It's not the trainwreck I think people make it out to be, but there's gotta be some serious changes in the offseason to the team. I think a healthy Reggie Jackson alone goes a long way but beyond that they absolutely need more shooting.
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what he said

also sad I don't live in Michigan so I don't get to hear the angry people that's always fun
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pinning hopes on Reggie Jackson seems a little much to me. you know better than me though

cool, Draymond's out now. that makes all of the big 4 out tonight vs. SA.
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we better not lose
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Kerr pulling the Pop on Pop

I feel like the Pistons will be more able to evaluate when Reggie is healthy. You cant win with that point guard rotation, especially when its the most important position in the league (the teams with the six best records might honestly be the teams with the six best point guards. (Harden (or CP3)/Steph/Lowry/Kyrie/Lillard/Westbrook)
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you're cherry picking teams but I get what you're saying. (just call Lebron their PG, it's accurate. he's second in the league in assists. you can stretch it to Simmons too if you want - he had a great game tonight)
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LiquidOshawott posted...

Kerr pulling the Pop on Pop

not on purpose!
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transience posted...

pinning hopes on Reggie Jackson seems a little much to me. you know better than me though

Pistons have a winning record when he's healthy and a non-winning record when he's hurt.

Yes, I hate pinning our hopes on him because he's inconsistent but the team is just better when he's healthy.
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I saw De'Aaron Fox literally missed all three FTs while getting fouled on a three pointer.
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Fox needs a summer to work on shooting but he's gonna be good

I just looked at Griffin/Harris and it looks like they're more or less a push since the trade. Griffin has 20/7/6 with a 17.0 PER/.514 TS% and Harris with 20/7/3 with a 18.8 PER/.571 TS%. plus who can mess with all-world efficiency machine BOBAN. Clippers look like they made out just fine for what was widely perceived as a salary dump.
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Yeah everyone's pissed about Tobias. To me, it's like "Tobias gets to play along side people who hit shots, Blake gets to play with Ish Smith and Stanley Johnson." Blake's been playing a lot better lately and not deferring as much.
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he's good tonight! the kings are very pleased with his continued development
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Pistons finally win on the road.
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al horford has not looked good. :(
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This is a pathetic, unacceptable loss. Russ and Carmelo should be ashamed of themselves for those missed free throws.
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I wonder if in some analytic circles you let Boston shoot a 2 there, because as soon as that ball was kicked out I was pretty sure we were gonna lose
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fucking PHENOMENAL.
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as a reminder, missing:

kyrie irving
jaylen brown
gordon hayward
marcus smart
daniel theis
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That was magnificent
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SeabassDebeste posted...

al horford has not looked good. :(

he clearly doesn't have his legs fully under him. he doesn't have the full lift on his shots that he had before he got hurt

hopefully with strength and conditioning and rest he'll be okay by the playoffs though
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i think it was illness this time, not injury, right? but yeah, he looked like i do in pickup games out there - well intentioned, trying to make the right play, but just too weak/slow/almost too spacy to do anything decisive.

that crowd seemed utterly absurd toward the end, wish i could've been there. TNT's commentary was garb, lmao.
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I mean, it's illness but also he's been a little banged up. Strength/conditioning and rest apply to both!
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Reggie Jackson returned to the starting lineup today.

Pistons won.

Now 20-14 with Reggie Jackson starting.
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I don't have data to back this up but it feels like the Celtics do best when they're down guys and facing adversity. I wonder if they would be better off long term to package 2-3 of their good players for a star. I don't know who I'd have in mind but it does feel like shortening their rotation helps.
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pretty much any team is better (especially in the playoffs) if you trade two players for a star, man. no one here thinks the C's wouldn't be better if you gave up horford and brown for anthony davis.

i think players stepping up in others' absence isn't just a celtics phenomenon. look at the pelicans since boogie went down. or the lakers without lonzo when they statted their latest tear. or First Option Draymond putting up 25-11-7. it's just not sustainable over the course of a season.
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oh I'm not even talking like a mega star. I mean like brown, morris and smart for mccollum or something. just something to consolidate their team a little.
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There has been some talk on Celtics Twitter that Smart might be a guy they look to move in the offseason somehow, especially given Rozier's emergence (and cheaper price tag)
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smart is a RFA. celtics can't get value from him unless they S&T. i still like his game more than scary terry's, but sadly you can only have so many guys and so much salary... that's going to be a hell of a decision for danny
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atlanta is 12-14 against the west

cleveland is 12-15
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SeabassDebeste posted...

smart is a RFA. celtics can't get value from him unless they S&T. i still like his game more than scary terry's, but sadly you can only have so many guys and so much salary... that's going to be a hell of a decision for danny

I don't think you can S&T restricted free agents, either. Hence why Detroit last year rescinded their QO to KCP instead of trading him once they traded for Avery Bradley. I think you have to wait so long after resigning a restricted free agent until you can trade them.
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I'm not even looking at salaries or suggesting that as a serious trade. I'm just saying that Boston would do well to consolidate around a smaller group of guys.
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My last comment was directed toward Cokes about moving Smart during the off-season.

RE: moving pieces for a better piece (and technically giving up "value") - I theoretically agree - we have way too many competent dudes that deserve more minutes. But I have a hard time seeing a guy like McCollum bringing us into the actual championship picture - that means beating LeBron and the Warriors. At this point, if we're doing a many-for-one deal, it better bring in a guy like Paul George. And if we can't get another dude like him, then we can just hold tight, let Hayward come back, and be a better version of this year's Raptors.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/862e58/russell_westbrook_officially_becomes_first_player/

lol
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nice win by the Cavs, they actually tried in the second half
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this dwight howard game is hilarious

almost as hilarious as brooklyn realizing they were winning by 20 and had to do something about that
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transience posted...

this dwight howard game is hilarious

almost as hilarious as brooklyn realizing they were winning by 20 and had to do something about that

I don't get why Brooklyn cares about tanking, they aren't keeping that pick.
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for the first time all season the Spurs have won 5 in a row
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The Raptors are not beating Cleveland if they play anywhere close to the way they did in the second half there. Sure, it was their third game in four nights, but the Cavs were missing like four guys. No excuses.
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Man this Grizzlies Hornets score is hilarious
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So Kemba Walker is going a little nuts tonight.
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one of the nice things about being the Grizzlies is that you can shamelessly tank and the NBA front office won't even notice
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People are protesting the cops killing that guy in Sacramento and they are protesting the arena at the Kings game, They have locked arms not letting people in so the game is mostly empty of fans, Its pretty surreal
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please no empty arena being normal for a kings game jokes >_>
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so much for going undefeated after Reggie's return letting a bad team like the Rockets beat us in OT
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