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creativerealms
03/15/18 7:48:00 PM
#101:


Howl posted...
Remember when liberals were all like "no one wants to ban guns, slippery slope fallacy etc..." Now they're just outright saying repeal the 2nd Ammendment openly.

As a liberal I can tell you that's a lie. Many of us are gun owners.
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psvitantifail
03/15/18 7:49:49 PM
#102:


_RETS_ posted...
psvitantifail posted...
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Junkratprime03 posted...
The alt-right won't compromise on anything, and neither should the left. We have the power in this country, we should force them to come to the table when they get tired of taking the Ls


Equating anyone in favor of the second amendment to the alt-right. You're a joke.
I wonder what would you have to say if you seen how many black people love guns. Just because we primarily Democrat don't mean we disagree with the right to bear arms lol


I don't understand why your comment is a response to anything I've said. What is your point exactly?

I know full well there are plenty of blacks (Democrat or otherwise) as well as plenty of democrats who support the right to bear arms. Not sure what your saying or what you think I am saying

No I was referring to the guy comparing gun owners to alright...
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gbpxl
03/15/18 7:56:04 PM
#103:


Dark_Spiret posted...
its quite something to see so many actively trying to take away their own rights.

Yeah funny, same group of people who criticize them is the same that want to take away the right to abortions as well.

(I'm pro-life by the way)
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_RETS_
03/15/18 7:56:39 PM
#104:


psvitantifail posted...
_RETS_ posted...
psvitantifail posted...
_RETS_ posted...
Junkratprime03 posted...
The alt-right won't compromise on anything, and neither should the left. We have the power in this country, we should force them to come to the table when they get tired of taking the Ls


Equating anyone in favor of the second amendment to the alt-right. You're a joke.
I wonder what would you have to say if you seen how many black people love guns. Just because we primarily Democrat don't mean we disagree with the right to bear arms lol


I don't understand why your comment is a response to anything I've said. What is your point exactly?

I know full well there are plenty of blacks (Democrat or otherwise) as well as plenty of democrats who support the right to bear arms. Not sure what your saying or what you think I am saying

No I was referring to the guy comparing gun owners to alright...


Got ya, was confused about my post being quoted with the one you were replying to
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Dark_Spiret
03/15/18 8:01:52 PM
#105:


gbpxl posted...
Yeah funny, same group of people who criticize them is the same that want to take away the right to abortions as well.
i dont see abortion on the bill of rights.
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gbpxl
03/15/18 8:07:02 PM
#106:


Dark_Spiret posted...
gbpxl posted...
Yeah funny, same group of people who criticize them is the same that want to take away the right to abortions as well.
i dont see abortion on the bill of rights.

why do you view the bill of rights as infallible?
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Howl
03/15/18 9:39:18 PM
#107:


creativerealms posted...
Howl posted...
Remember when liberals were all like "no one wants to ban guns, slippery slope fallacy etc..." Now they're just outright saying repeal the 2nd Ammendment openly.

As a liberal I can tell you that's a lie. Many of us are gun owners.


How is that a lie? It's literally the topic title. Lol
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Syntheticon
03/15/18 10:29:00 PM
#108:


KainWind posted...
We should make killing people illegal too while we're at it.

I like your thinking but it'll never catch on-there's too many guns around for it to really ever work.
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Tmaster148
03/15/18 10:29:57 PM
#109:


Howl posted...
creativerealms posted...
Howl posted...
Remember when liberals were all like "no one wants to ban guns, slippery slope fallacy etc..." Now they're just outright saying repeal the 2nd Ammendment openly.

As a liberal I can tell you that's a lie. Many of us are gun owners.


How is that a lie? It's literally the topic title. Lol


I forgot that a single topic on gamefaqs represents an entire group of people.
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Iodine
03/15/18 11:18:11 PM
#110:


Allowing LEOs to be the only people who can legally possess guns would be rather disastrous.
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Offworlder1
03/15/18 11:36:01 PM
#111:


You literally need to go to Canada if you don't like how the USA is topic creator, no guns there so you should be happy.

Don't try to ruin this country cause you have zero respect for people having the right to defend themselves, and their loved ones.

@gbpxl
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Howl
03/16/18 12:21:16 AM
#112:


Tmaster148 posted...
Howl posted...
creativerealms posted...
Howl posted...
Remember when liberals were all like "no one wants to ban guns, slippery slope fallacy etc..." Now they're just outright saying repeal the 2nd Ammendment openly.

As a liberal I can tell you that's a lie. Many of us are gun owners.


How is that a lie? It's literally the topic title. Lol


I forgot that a single topic on gamefaqs represents an entire group of people.


There's multiple people in this topic defending that notion, and as the poll results show there isn't just a single person who voted yes.
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gbpxl
03/16/18 2:17:08 PM
#113:


this country is already being ruined by people like you who think guns are the only weapons one can use to defend himself. Ever hear of boxing? Karate? Knives? Crossbows? Mace? Baseball bat?
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ToonLinkWithGun
03/16/18 2:20:23 PM
#114:


gbpxl posted...
this country is already being ruined by people like you who think guns are the only weapons one can use to defend himself. Ever hear of boxing? Karate? Knives? Crossbows? Mace? Baseball bat?

Y u mad
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_RETS_
03/16/18 2:22:31 PM
#115:


gbpxl posted...
this country is already being ruined by people like you who think guns are the only weapons one can use to defend himself. Ever hear of boxing? Karate? Knives? Crossbows? Mace? Baseball bat?


If a guy with a gun was going to come into your bedroom tomorrow, would you rather have a gun or one of the above means of self defense?

If you answer anything other than "a gun" then you are openly admitting to being either a troll or a stupid ass and either way you lose.
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gbpxl
03/16/18 2:24:30 PM
#116:


im not mad. Im making a point that one doesnt need a tool that causes instant death in order to be safe
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_RETS_
03/16/18 2:26:24 PM
#117:


gbpxl posted...
im not mad. Im making a point that one doesnt need a tool that causes instant death in order to be safe


answer my question
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gbpxl
03/16/18 2:27:10 PM
#118:


would rather it be where he wasnt able to buy the gun to begin with
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DragonGirlYuki
03/16/18 2:30:58 PM
#119:


@Offworlder1 posted...
You literally need to go to Canada if you don't like how the USA is topic creator, no guns there so you should be happy.

Don't try to ruin this country cause you have zero respect for people having the right to defend themselves, and their loved ones.

@gbpxl


Canada has guns you know.
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_RETS_
03/16/18 2:32:56 PM
#120:


gbpxl posted...
would rather it be where he wasnt able to buy the gun to begin with


That isn't the question you unbelievable hack. Since you know that bad guys DO currently have guns, if one came into your room tonight would you rather have a gun to defend yourself or any of the shit you mentioned? It is a very straight forward question with TWO possible answers, not a third answer to a question no one asked.
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Musourenka
03/16/18 2:36:10 PM
#121:


No. A well-regulated militia shall not be infringed.
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muchdran
03/16/18 2:38:55 PM
#122:


_RETS_ posted...
gbpxl posted...
sktgamer_13dude posted...
No. Should put more money towards mental health, better background checks, and classes to teach safe gun keeping.

Can you explain to me how any of that would have prevented the most recent high profile shooting (Stoneman Douglas)


You really don't want to use Parkland as an example. The local police and FBI completely dropped the ball on something that should have been easily preventable with existing laws.

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UnfairRepresent
03/16/18 2:39:19 PM
#123:


_RETS_ posted...


People like me? What are you talking about @UnfairRepresent?

People who dismiss potential solutions with the argument of "That would not be instant! In the meantime innocents will die!"

Which is true of every single solution. It's a nonsense counter
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_RETS_
03/16/18 2:40:03 PM
#124:


UnfairRepresent posted...
_RETS_ posted...


People like me? What are you talking about @UnfairRepresent?

People who dismiss potential solutions with the argument of "That would not be instant! In the meantime innocents will die!"

Which is true of every single solution. It's a nonsense counter


Bruh.... did you even read the rest of that post that you're cutting off?
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UnfairRepresent
03/16/18 2:40:48 PM
#125:


_RETS_ posted...

Bruh.... did you even read the rest of that post that you're cutting off?

Yes
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Nomadic View
03/16/18 2:41:21 PM
#126:


Good luck with that.
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_RETS_
03/16/18 2:43:17 PM
#127:


UnfairRepresent posted...
_RETS_ posted...

Bruh.... did you even read the rest of that post that you're cutting off?

Yes


Then you are really dropping the ball on reading comprehension. I am not dismissing any potential solutions at all (other than a gun ban).

"There are no short term solutions. Any truly effective solution is going to be a long and multi-faceted process. There are, however, short term measures that can be taken to limit casualties in the meantime while long term solutions are being developed and given a chance to take hold."

Long term solutions should absolutely be pursued, but because they cannot be immediately effective (again, this doesn't mean they should be ignored/abandoned), short-term measures are necessary to protect people in the meantime.

I really can't see how you're not getting this...
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Nomadic View
03/16/18 2:47:33 PM
#128:


Youre going to have more luck having the Supreme Court overturning Heller v D.C. and defining the right to bear arms in a more diminished capacity than legislatively repealing any Amendment.
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UnfairRepresent
03/16/18 3:00:14 PM
#129:


_RETS_ posted...
I am not dismissing any potential solutions at all (other than a gun ban).

When the issue is gun violence going "I dont oppose anything except bans and non instant solutions" is opposing close to everything
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_RETS_
03/16/18 3:03:27 PM
#130:


UnfairRepresent posted...
_RETS_ posted...
I am not dismissing any potential solutions at all (other than a gun ban).

When the issue is gun violence going "I dont oppose anything except bans and non instant solutions" is opposing close to everything


@UnfairRepresent Where do you keep getting this idea that I oppose non-instant solutions? Really what the fuck are you talking about? Are you trolling?

I fully support long term solutions. I have said over and over and fucking over that I do. Greatly improved mental healthcare, reformed processes by which people obtain guns, reinstallation of family values and community involvement, addressing school bullying, creating greater transparency between all authoritative bodies that have to approve the ownership of a gun for an individual, etc.

I support all those things, all of which are non-instant solutions. So really, what the fuck are you even talking about?
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UnfairRepresent
03/16/18 3:13:21 PM
#131:


Those are all vague non-statements.

give detailed examples of what any of them actually entails
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_RETS_
03/16/18 3:21:49 PM
#132:


UnfairRepresent posted...
Those are all vague non-statements.

give detailed examples of what any of them actually entails


Greatly improved mental healthcare

De-stigmatizing mental illness. Opening more mental institutions and allowing for involuntary admittance in certain circumstances. Increasing general funding for mental healthcare and more psychological screening prior to gun purchase.

Gun Acquisition

The psychological screening falls into this category as well, but a lot of it is also acting on red flags and temporary seizure of weapons in cases of obvious threat as seen in Parkland.

Family values/community involvement

This is a cultural issue that leads to a lot of things, not just gun violence. It is far too complex to detail how this is fixed, but to suggest it isn't a problem is dishonest.

Bullying

Remove zero tolerance policies and other such things that allow schools to not ever actually have to do anything about bullying issues. This also ties into family values and community involvement.

If YOUR solution is repeal the second amendment, then that is untenable and you're stupid for supporting it.

If that isn't your solution, then addressing any or all of the above is a good way to fixing the problem in the long run.

I may even be unclear on what exactly your idea for a solution is?
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gbpxl
03/16/18 5:10:33 PM
#133:


_RETS_ posted...
gbpxl posted...
would rather it be where he wasnt able to buy the gun to begin with


That isn't the question you unbelievable hack. Since you know that bad guys DO currently have guns, if one came into your room tonight would you rather have a gun to defend yourself or any of the shit you mentioned? It is a very straight forward question with TWO possible answers, not a third answer to a question no one asked.

Obviously I would rather have a gun, but what I was getting at was that if they outlawed the sale of guns entirely, it'd be almost impossible to acquire a gun unless you stole it from a police officer or a soldier. And in that case, someone is breaking into my house, I'm either going to leave my house, if possible, or use a baseball bat.
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Balrog0
03/16/18 5:10:55 PM
#134:


gonna be a no from me dawg
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_RETS_
03/16/18 5:17:48 PM
#135:


gbpxl posted...
_RETS_ posted...
gbpxl posted...
would rather it be where he wasnt able to buy the gun to begin with


That isn't the question you unbelievable hack. Since you know that bad guys DO currently have guns, if one came into your room tonight would you rather have a gun to defend yourself or any of the shit you mentioned? It is a very straight forward question with TWO possible answers, not a third answer to a question no one asked.

Obviously I would rather have a gun, but what I was getting at was that if they outlawed the sale of guns entirely, it'd be almost impossible to acquire a gun unless you stole it from a police officer or a soldier. And in that case, someone is breaking into my house, I'm either going to leave my house, if possible, or use a baseball bat.


There you go. So you answered your own question as to why they can be necessary in a world where guns are not, in fact, non-existent.
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gbpxl
03/16/18 5:19:54 PM
#136:


_RETS_ posted...
gbpxl posted...
_RETS_ posted...
gbpxl posted...
would rather it be where he wasnt able to buy the gun to begin with


That isn't the question you unbelievable hack. Since you know that bad guys DO currently have guns, if one came into your room tonight would you rather have a gun to defend yourself or any of the shit you mentioned? It is a very straight forward question with TWO possible answers, not a third answer to a question no one asked.

Obviously I would rather have a gun, but what I was getting at was that if they outlawed the sale of guns entirely, it'd be almost impossible to acquire a gun unless you stole it from a police officer or a soldier. And in that case, someone is breaking into my house, I'm either going to leave my house, if possible, or use a baseball bat.


There you go. So you answered your own question as to why they can be necessary in a world where guns are not, in fact, non-existent.

So make them non-existent (for civilian use)
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_RETS_
03/16/18 5:24:22 PM
#137:


gbpxl posted...
_RETS_ posted...
gbpxl posted...
_RETS_ posted...
gbpxl posted...
would rather it be where he wasnt able to buy the gun to begin with


That isn't the question you unbelievable hack. Since you know that bad guys DO currently have guns, if one came into your room tonight would you rather have a gun to defend yourself or any of the shit you mentioned? It is a very straight forward question with TWO possible answers, not a third answer to a question no one asked.

Obviously I would rather have a gun, but what I was getting at was that if they outlawed the sale of guns entirely, it'd be almost impossible to acquire a gun unless you stole it from a police officer or a soldier. And in that case, someone is breaking into my house, I'm either going to leave my house, if possible, or use a baseball bat.


There you go. So you answered your own question as to why they can be necessary in a world where guns are not, in fact, non-existent.

So make them non-existent (for civilian use)


Great, get on that, in the meantime, people have a right to adequately defend themselves How does it work for countries where the government has the sole possession on firearms? What's the historical precedent look like for a defenseless population?
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moose_knuckle
03/16/18 5:35:48 PM
#138:


gbpxl posted...
_RETS_ posted...
gbpxl posted...
_RETS_ posted...
gbpxl posted...
would rather it be where he wasnt able to buy the gun to begin with


That isn't the question you unbelievable hack. Since you know that bad guys DO currently have guns, if one came into your room tonight would you rather have a gun to defend yourself or any of the shit you mentioned? It is a very straight forward question with TWO possible answers, not a third answer to a question no one asked.

Obviously I would rather have a gun, but what I was getting at was that if they outlawed the sale of guns entirely, it'd be almost impossible to acquire a gun unless you stole it from a police officer or a soldier. And in that case, someone is breaking into my house, I'm either going to leave my house, if possible, or use a baseball bat.


There you go. So you answered your own question as to why they can be necessary in a world where guns are not, in fact, non-existent.

So make them non-existent (for civilian use)


Yes, usher in the tyrannical one world government that enforces austerity and eugenics on the population until you ultimately decide to upload (suicide) yourself into the collective. Mao, Hitler, and Stalin agree, gun control works.

And let's not forget how successful the war on drugs has been. Strangely enough all the leftists want everything legalized on that side of the coin.
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gbpxl
03/16/18 6:11:19 PM
#139:


_RETS_ posted...
gbpxl posted...
_RETS_ posted...
gbpxl posted...
_RETS_ posted...
gbpxl posted...
would rather it be where he wasnt able to buy the gun to begin with


That isn't the question you unbelievable hack. Since you know that bad guys DO currently have guns, if one came into your room tonight would you rather have a gun to defend yourself or any of the shit you mentioned? It is a very straight forward question with TWO possible answers, not a third answer to a question no one asked.

Obviously I would rather have a gun, but what I was getting at was that if they outlawed the sale of guns entirely, it'd be almost impossible to acquire a gun unless you stole it from a police officer or a soldier. And in that case, someone is breaking into my house, I'm either going to leave my house, if possible, or use a baseball bat.


There you go. So you answered your own question as to why they can be necessary in a world where guns are not, in fact, non-existent.

So make them non-existent (for civilian use)


Great, get on that, in the meantime, people have a right to adequately defend themselves How does it work for countries where the government has the sole possession on firearms? What's the historical precedent look like for a defenseless population?

How does it work for those countries? Australia seems to be doing alright. They stopped having mass shootings after they restricted gun ownership in 1996, must be a coincidence.
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gbpxl
03/16/18 6:12:25 PM
#140:


moose_knuckle posted...
gbpxl posted...
_RETS_ posted...
gbpxl posted...
_RETS_ posted...
gbpxl posted...
would rather it be where he wasnt able to buy the gun to begin with


That isn't the question you unbelievable hack. Since you know that bad guys DO currently have guns, if one came into your room tonight would you rather have a gun to defend yourself or any of the shit you mentioned? It is a very straight forward question with TWO possible answers, not a third answer to a question no one asked.

Obviously I would rather have a gun, but what I was getting at was that if they outlawed the sale of guns entirely, it'd be almost impossible to acquire a gun unless you stole it from a police officer or a soldier. And in that case, someone is breaking into my house, I'm either going to leave my house, if possible, or use a baseball bat.


There you go. So you answered your own question as to why they can be necessary in a world where guns are not, in fact, non-existent.

So make them non-existent (for civilian use)


Yes, usher in the tyrannical one world government that enforces austerity and eugenics on the population until you ultimately decide to upload (suicide) yourself into the collective. Mao, Hitler, and Stalin agree, gun control works.

And let's not forget how successful the war on drugs has been. Strangely enough all the leftists want everything legalized on that side of the coin.
We already have gun control. To suggest gun control is wrong, that would imply you are completely fine with removing any and all background checks, age restrictions, access to all military weapons.
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_RETS_
03/16/18 6:22:49 PM
#141:


gbpxl posted...
_RETS_ posted...
gbpxl posted...
_RETS_ posted...
gbpxl posted...
_RETS_ posted...
gbpxl posted...
would rather it be where he wasnt able to buy the gun to begin with


That isn't the question you unbelievable hack. Since you know that bad guys DO currently have guns, if one came into your room tonight would you rather have a gun to defend yourself or any of the shit you mentioned? It is a very straight forward question with TWO possible answers, not a third answer to a question no one asked.

Obviously I would rather have a gun, but what I was getting at was that if they outlawed the sale of guns entirely, it'd be almost impossible to acquire a gun unless you stole it from a police officer or a soldier. And in that case, someone is breaking into my house, I'm either going to leave my house, if possible, or use a baseball bat.


There you go. So you answered your own question as to why they can be necessary in a world where guns are not, in fact, non-existent.

So make them non-existent (for civilian use)


Great, get on that, in the meantime, people have a right to adequately defend themselves How does it work for countries where the government has the sole possession on firearms? What's the historical precedent look like for a defenseless population?

How does it work for those countries? Australia seems to be doing alright. They stopped having mass shootings after they restricted gun ownership in 1996, must be a coincidence.


Australia doesn't have a disarmed populace. In fact their mandatory buyback (i.e. ban?) didn't even remove most of their guns. By the way, how's their violent crime trend looking compared to ours over the last several years?

How has it worked for all of the countries with a disarmed populace? Please go on and answer with an actual answer, not another question.
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moose_knuckle
03/16/18 6:36:58 PM
#142:


gbpxl posted...
moose_knuckle posted...
gbpxl posted...
_RETS_ posted...
gbpxl posted...
_RETS_ posted...
gbpxl posted...
would rather it be where he wasnt able to buy the gun to begin with


That isn't the question you unbelievable hack. Since you know that bad guys DO currently have guns, if one came into your room tonight would you rather have a gun to defend yourself or any of the shit you mentioned? It is a very straight forward question with TWO possible answers, not a third answer to a question no one asked.

Obviously I would rather have a gun, but what I was getting at was that if they outlawed the sale of guns entirely, it'd be almost impossible to acquire a gun unless you stole it from a police officer or a soldier. And in that case, someone is breaking into my house, I'm either going to leave my house, if possible, or use a baseball bat.


There you go. So you answered your own question as to why they can be necessary in a world where guns are not, in fact, non-existent.

So make them non-existent (for civilian use)


Yes, usher in the tyrannical one world government that enforces austerity and eugenics on the population until you ultimately decide to upload (suicide) yourself into the collective. Mao, Hitler, and Stalin agree, gun control works.

And let's not forget how successful the war on drugs has been. Strangely enough all the leftists want everything legalized on that side of the coin.
We already have gun control. To suggest gun control is wrong, that would imply you are completely fine with removing any and all background checks, age restrictions, access to all military weapons.


You want an outright ban, not gun control.

You're also trolling so
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FrenchCrunch
03/16/18 6:37:31 PM
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yes pls
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gbpxl
03/16/18 7:20:33 PM
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How has it worked for all of the countries with a disarmed populace? Please go on and answer with an actual answer, not another question.

If you're referring to Nazi Germany, obviously not very well, but our leaders aren't Nazis. and even if they were, the Army would/could decimate you and your gun toting pals with ease.
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gbpxl
03/16/18 7:27:38 PM
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AssultTank posted...
gbpxl posted...
the Army would/could decimate you and your gun toting pals with ease.

Because they have done so well against guerrilla fighters in the past.
Actually in the Iraq War, they had a kill ratio of 20:1
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_RETS_
03/16/18 7:28:14 PM
#147:


gbpxl posted...

How has it worked for all of the countries with a disarmed populace? Please go on and answer with an actual answer, not another question.

If you're referring to Nazi Germany, obviously not very well, but our leaders aren't Nazis. and even if they were, the Army would/could decimate you and your gun toting pals with ease.


I'm referring to the majority of countries with a disarmed populace. How is that going?

I don't care for guns and don't own any and if I do it will be for protection in my home, so stop making a stupid ass of yourself.

But an armed populace is an incredible deterrent against government tyranny. You are dishonest to think otherwise and naive/stupid to want to give sole control of arms to ANY government. Even if the armed populace would get beaten by the military (just like we dominated the Vietnamese........), it is a better to have a population that can defend itself, even against losing odds, than one that is defenseless. You cannot, with any intellectual honesty, contest that.

If you are locked in a room and a 400lb slab of muscle is coming in to murder you, you would rather be able to adequately defend yourself than not, even if you end up dead either way. I don't have to even phrase that as a question, because unless you're an idiot I already answered it for you.

If you are the 400lb slab of muscle, you will be much more hesitant to go into that same room if you knew your target had the ability to defend itself than if it was defenseless.

There really isn't much more discussion to be had with you.
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Sativa_Rose
03/16/18 7:28:54 PM
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Reminder: Cliven Bundy used the Second Amendment to secure his grazing rights from the Feds, and he won.
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_RETS_
03/16/18 7:29:02 PM
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gbpxl posted...
AssultTank posted...
gbpxl posted...
the Army would/could decimate you and your gun toting pals with ease.

Because they have done so well against guerrilla fighters in the past.
Actually in the Iraq War, they had a kill ratio of 20:1


How many civilians do we have vs. soldiers? Assuming every soldier would be willing to kill US citizens?
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Sativa_Rose
03/16/18 7:30:50 PM
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_RETS_ posted...
Assuming every soldier would be willing to kill US citizens?


That would be a really dumb thing to assume. It would also be really dumb to assume the US military would just carpet bomb its own citizens, which would be even less restraint than was used in Iraq
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