Current Events > there was only one problem with The FIrst Avenger movie SPOILERS

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I thought it was great but one thing bugged me. in the comics, Bucky was younger than Steve. not the same age. Steve is like in his 20's. Bucky is a teenager. he's like 14. He aged up when he became Winter Soldier. so it wouldn't have affected the sequels. but he should have been a kid in the first movie. I think disney didn't want to show a kid fighting nazis.

It's a minor thing maybe but even years after First Avenger I still am bugged by it.

this is Bucky in the war, in the comics

http://78.media.tumblr.com/b3df08db6b54939991425fee33e01028/tumblr_inline_nbzmf9TGNk1sgheqn.jpg

Nobody cares.
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ok
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Muffinz0rz posted...

ok

the dynamic is different. in the movies they are equals. grew up together. went to the same school. best friends all their life

in the comics Cap is like a big brother. they don't even meet until after the serum and he has become Cap. it's a totally different relationship.

it does change the story. it's a big alteration

You have a strange obsession with nazis
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Cornmuffins posted...

You have a strange obsession with nazis

well they were the main villains of the most important war in human history

Bucky "died" in the movie. Showing a child falling to their death like that probably didn't test well.
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Basing this purely on the information given in the OP:

Aging up Bucky seems like an improvement to me. >_>
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the MCU makes a lot of changes from the source material, that for the most part, benefits the story.

Steve and Bucky are still like brothers, and that dynamic is pretty good.
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boxington posted...

the MCU makes a lot of changes from the source material, that for the most part, benefits the story.

supposedly they are changing the motives for Thanos. in the comics, there is a living personification of Death that appears as a skeletal woman in a robe. he is in love with her. she ignores him so he gets the idea to kill the entire universe to make her attracted to him

supposedly in the movie his planet, Titan is destroyed by Celestials and he's mad and wants the Gauntlet to kill the Celestials in revenge. this is weird cause in the comics, nothing ever happens to Titan. and I really like his comic motive. he's a crazy fucker and he's a stalker or obsessive romantic. they took that away for just a generic revenge plot

Zikten posted...

Cornmuffins posted...

You have a strange obsession with nazis

well they were the main villains of the most important war in human history

Why do you complain about not being able to post their symbols then
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ASithLord7 posted...

Zikten posted...

Cornmuffins posted...

You have a strange obsession with nazis

well they were the main villains of the most important war in human history

Why do you complain about not being able to post their symbols then

I have never posted a swastika

JustMyOpinion posted...

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The first one is literally the TC.

it's different. the nerd on simpsons is talking about some minor thing. the thing I talked about is massive. yea they are still brothers but it's different. they are like twins on the movies. in the comics they are big brother and little brother. there is a big difference in Bucky being a 20's guy and joining the army normally.... and him being 13 or 14 and trying to fight against the law and getting Captain America's attention. Bucky's backstory is totally different in the comics.

Nah p sure you got suspended for posting swastikas
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Zikten posted...

it's different. the nerd on simpsons is talking about some minor thing. the thing I talked about is massive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3y3QoFnqZc" data-time="
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Zikten posted...

Cornmuffins posted...

You have a strange obsession with nazis

well they were the main villains of the most important war in human history

all human history?
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It's better this way. He served as a better foil to Steve.
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ASithLord7 posted...

Nah p sure you got suspended for posting swastikas

it was a manji

DrizztLink posted...

Zikten posted...

it's different. the nerd on simpsons is talking about some minor thing. the thing I talked about is massive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3y3QoFnqZc" data-time="

you are the wrong one. You have clearly never read a Captain America comic about the war. you have no idea what you are talking about. 14 year old buckey is totally different from 25 year old Buckey

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

Zikten posted...

Cornmuffins posted...

You have a strange obsession with nazis

well they were the main villains of the most important war in human history

all human history?

yes. WW2 was the largest war we ever had. and it changed the course of the 20th century. there is a reason why if you go to bookstores if you can still find them, and go to the history section, each part of history has a small area and then the WW2 section is massive

I know exactly who Bucky is.

I still remember the days when the only people who stayed dead in comics we're Bucky, Jason Todd and Uncle Ben.

This is a different universe, different characterization, and it works for the movie.

I was calling you wrong for thinking this is even worth thinking about.
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Just a different approach to the character and one I actually think is for the better.
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as I said, it is only for the first avenger. you still would have had adult buckey in the sequels. in the comics he is an adult when he meets up with Cap again as Winter Soldier. he was allowed to age a little. he is only a kid in WW2. there is not much reason for you guys to be against this. my idea makes everyone in the world happy. your idea only makes you happy

and it's clearly popular cause even today in the comics, they still often do flashback stories about the war. and it always has Bucky as a kid. it hasen't changed. even after the movies.

You would be the person to be upset by this.
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Zikten posted...

my idea makes everyone in the world happy

says the only person whining about it
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I loved that movie.

IMO the biggest weakness was that the aliens who invade were so lame.

They have no personalities, put up no fight and then all die when they take down the mothership thing without much explanation.

The were just zombies or power-ranger putties.

Would have been cooler if the fight between them and the heroes was closer and the heroes actually struggled and got hurt.

And if the aliens had some personality and had to actually be defeated. Not just "Someone turned them off."

Honestly those aliens might as well have been stationary and made out of lego for all the relevance they had in the end fight scene
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Zikten posted...

Cornmuffins posted...

You have a strange obsession with nazis

well they were the main villains of the most important war in human history

It's nazi healthiest fixation.
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TC is correct when it comes to 616 Bucky.

However the MCU also takes influence from the Ultimate universe (1610), where Bucky was the same age as Steve.

UnfairRepresent posted...

I loved that movie.

IMO the biggest weakness was that the aliens who invade were so lame.

They have no personalities, put up no fight and then all die when they take down the mothership thing without much explanation.

The were just zombies or power-ranger putties.

Would have been cooler if the fight between them and the heroes was closer and the heroes actually struggled and got hurt.

And if the aliens had some personality and had to actually be defeated. Not just "Someone turned them off."

Honestly those aliens might as well have been stationary and made out of lego for all the relevance they had in the end fight scene

at the time Marvel didn't have many good alien rights to use. they probably wanted to use the Skrull. but they couldn't. and I think maybe Red Skull was originally going to be in Avengers but the actor refused to come back. so that affected the story too

Zikten posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

I loved that movie.

IMO the biggest weakness was that the aliens who invade were so lame.

They have no personalities, put up no fight and then all die when they take down the mothership thing without much explanation.

The were just zombies or power-ranger putties.

Would have been cooler if the fight between them and the heroes was closer and the heroes actually struggled and got hurt.

And if the aliens had some personality and had to actually be defeated. Not just "Someone turned them off."

Honestly those aliens might as well have been stationary and made out of lego for all the relevance they had in the end fight scene

at the time Marvel didn't have many good alien rights to use. they probably wanted to use the Skrull. but they couldn't. and I think maybe Red Skull was originally going to be in Avengers but the actor refused to come back. so that affected the story too

Doesn't matter what the aliens were called, what mattered was that they were fodder with no personality.
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If they had used the Skrull some of the aliens would have had personalities. like Super Skrull. but he's tied in with the Fantastic Four rights. they may or may not have that now. but they didn't at the time of Avengers.

Then make up something new.

Call them the Gnasty Gnorcs and make them terrified of the heroes one on one but beat the shit out of them when they gang up from behind.

Just do SOMETHING
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also one of them did have a personality. the guy that talked to Loki. he is their leader I think. or high priest or something. and personal assistant to Thanos. in Guardians of the Galaxy Ronan snaps his neck though

maybe they could have given him a bigger role in Avengers. have him come down to earth too and command the troops

I only like the climax fight. The rest of the Avengers is pretty meh.

Edit: I thought this was about the first Avengers movie >_>
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Kitt posted...

I only like the climax fight. The rest of the Avengers is pretty meh.

the first time I saw it, the whole movie was cool for seeing everyone just interacting with each other. one of my favorite moments was in a forest when Cap, Iron Man and Thor all circle around each other in a small fight. I nerded out. in later viewings though, it gets a little boring at parts. maybe the aliens should have invaded sooner in the film.

I like the change. It's be pretty stupid having a 14 year old fight Nazi's.