Current Events > Overall whose to blame for the said state of the US, Liberals or Conservatives?

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Shootings, Bombings, divided and ignorant populace, we're all gonna start killing each other in another 5 or 10 years in a new civil war at this point. Where did it start?
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You
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I blame the schools
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libs
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The other political affiliation, not mine.
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C_Pain posted...

libs

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Newt Gingrich.
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Conservative think tanks and big money

DevsBro posted...

You

So will you kill me to end this?
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we're all to blame
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Citizens United

Liberals put the schools there. Conservatives put the guns there.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

we're all to blame

How? The most all of you have done is try to live your own lives to survive in the world. None of your actions were done for the sake of the masses or anything like that.
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John_Galt posted...

C_Pain posted...

libs

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tremain07 posted...

DevsBro posted...

You

So will you kill me to end this?

Of course not. What would I whine about then?
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We're not in a sad state. Remind me: When does the news report positive information? Oh, never?

You're conditioned to believe we're in a "sad state" because you only hear the bad stuff.
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The eligible American voting population.
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liberals and conservatives are not two distinct groups
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The Internet or social media.
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tremain07 posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

we're all to blame

How? The most all of you have done is try to live your own lives to survive in the world. None of your actions were done for the sake of the masses or anything like that.

yeah but im guilty of that partisan bullshit, the whole "CONSERVATIVES ARE LITERALLY THE WORST" nonsense that's corrupted politics. that attitude solves nothing and only further divides us.

when the government is being shitty in a democracy the people need to step up.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

we're all to blame

son how am i to blame

Caution999 posted...

When does the news report positive information? Oh, never?

that's why i like /r/UpliftingNews
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FrenchCrunch posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

we're all to blame

son how am i to blame

if you're of voting age then you're at least partially responsible for our politicians.

also, i meant that reply on the context of "Liberals vs Conservatives". both sides are guilty of partisan hackery.
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Both.

But mostly liberals. I mean think about it, this shit wasn't nearly as common in the past. It's obviously the party that's hellbent on changing everything.

Funkydog posted...

The eligible American voting population.

What exactly do you expect them to do when politicians lie during their campaigns in order to get elected, and their votes are discarded in favor of the electoral college anyway?
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The fear-mongering 'news' media.

Giant_Aspirin posted...

FrenchCrunch posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

we're all to blame

son how am i to blame

if you're of voting age then you're at least partially responsible for our politicians.

i vote and donate to the candidates i support

CommonStar posted...

The fear-mongering 'news' media.

what about the consumers that eat that shit up and cause them to create more?
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A shitbird needs two wings to fly
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

CommonStar posted...

The fear-mongering 'news' media.

what about the consumers that eat that shit up and cause them to create more?

Like you?

FrenchCrunch posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

FrenchCrunch posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

we're all to blame

son how am i to blame

if you're of voting age then you're at least partially responsible for our politicians.

i vote and donate to the candidates i support

that's awesome, keep that up.

i edited my post above, but i meant "we're all to blame" in the sense that neither Liberals nor Conservatives are guilt free.
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FairyLeviathan posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

CommonStar posted...

The fear-mongering 'news' media.

what about the consumers that eat that shit up and cause them to create more?

Like you?

like all of us.

my point was that blaming "the media" for producing what people want is a little unfair.
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You are mistaken. I only watch Fox News and read Brietbart to avoid the wiles of MSM.

liberals
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FairyLeviathan posted...

You are mistaken. I only watch Fox News and read Brietbart to avoid the wiles of MSM.

oh, right, sorry. i often forget that the news network with the highest ratings is exempt from being "mainstream".
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Brainwashed rednecks who think giving the super rich everything will solve all of our problems
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

CommonStar posted...

The fear-mongering 'news' media.

what about the consumers that eat that shit up and cause them to create more?

Sure, the public needs to be more aware and knowledgeable of what's news and what's opinion or made up, but a lot of folks aren't tech savvy to do that. So they rely on the news networks for their news, however a bunch of these networks like to use hyperbole and exagerate when their viewers don't know any better. Some would even make up stories to push their agenda. They don't operate like news anymore, they operate like blog sites.

The better question is, how do we fix it?
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But to provide a serious response: Conservatives have spent the last 40 years becoming increasingly Randian: more and more they reject the idea that a society that works together is possible or even desirable. If people feel alienated and atomized, it is in part because conservatives, their preferred policies and narratives, have fostered this idea of every man for himself, with each person's problems being a reflection on themselves alone.

Liberals are not blameless here. They saw the rightward shift of the Republican Party, but failed to create a successful counter-narrative, a framework for opposing this Randian worldview. At times they themselves have shifted right in response; this was the explicit strategy of the DLC led by Clinton in the 90s, which embraced much of the assumptions that underpinned the Reagan and Bush years. Especially in the wake of the financial crisis, liberals have struggled to convince people that we can all get better together.
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The Kardashians
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Antifar posted...

But to provide a serious response: Conservatives have spent the last 40 years becoming increasingly Randian: more and more they reject the idea that a society that works together is possible or even desirable. If people feel alienated and atomized, it is in part because conservatives, their preferred policies and narratives, have fostered this idea of every man for himself, with each person's problems being a reflection on themselves alone.

Liberals are not blameless here. They saw the rightward shift of the Republican Party, but failed to create a successful counter-narrative, a framework for opposing this Randian worldview. At times they themselves have shifted right in response; this was the explicit strategy of the DLC led by Clinton in the 90s, which embraced much of the assumptions that underpinned the Reagan and Bush years. Especially in the wake of the financial crisis, liberals have struggled to convince people that we can all get better together.

man this 'analysis' sounds more like empty sloganeering than an actual thoughtful digression on ideology as it exists in the U.S.

I mean the denuding of public services is clearly a thing, but pretending that the ideology they've replaced it with is atomistic seems especially silly since the rise of Trump and the blatant ethno-nationalism it has exposed. the republican party and conservatives in general care a great deal about 'blood and soil'
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I blame both equally. Both have done so much to foster this culture of distrust and out right hatred of the opposing sides that the acts of searching for common ground, compromise and discussion are almost completely foreign concepts in politics today.
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Both sides have a lot of the blame. It is sad how divided on issues we are when we shouldn't be.

Now the bomber we don't know who it is or what his motivations are.
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Ok, let me break this down for you.

We all agree that shit is becoming more frequent and greater in number than in the past.

Conservative

holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically in relation to politics or religion.

Conservatives by definition are cautious to change policies, therefore keeping things the same. We just got through with two god-awful liberal presidents and one meh Republican. Liberals are always striving to change policies.

>Things are ok
>Conservative keeps policies the same
>Nothing happens

>Things are ok
>Liberal changes every policy they can get their hands on even against their better judgement
>All hell breaks loose

Today, I'd say libs because I expect better of them. They're supposed to be more intellectual, yet they don't know how to work with the other side. They prefer to belittle conservatives, and censor their ideas in hope that they'll go away. But they're just fanning the flames.
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FairyLeviathan posted...

Ok, let me break this down for you.

We all agree that shit is becoming more frequent and greater in number than in the past.

Conservative

holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically in relation to politics or religion.

Conservatives by definition are cautious to change policies, therefore keeping things the same. We just got through with two god-awful liberal presidents and one meh Republican. Liberals are always striving to change policies.

>Things are ok
>Conservative keeps policies the same
>Nothing happens

>Things are ok
>Liberal changes every policy they can get their hands on even against their better judgement
>All hell breaks loose

Which right now would make the right the liberals? They are the ones pushing for change. Even if its a change for a simpler time? No its not that simple.
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Both sides are to blame, but Bush's No Child Left Behind and wars in Iraq and Afghanistan make republicans take at least 65% of that blame.
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FairyLeviathan posted...

Conservatives by definition are cautious to change policies, therefore keeping things the same.

This is not what conservatism is, though. A key tenet of modern American conservatism is the desire to overturn Roe v. Wade. The Trump administration so far has been dedicated to overturning Obama-era policies big and small. They don't have any qualms about change, even radical change.
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I could care less about Roe v Wade. They'll never over-turn that because it's their ace in the hole for the religious nutjobs.
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