Current Events > Pro-Life should be a liberal virtue and Pro-Choice conservative

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gbpxl 03/25/18 2:32:17 PM #1:	Why Pro-Life should be liberal: - Defending the defenseless is typically a very liberal trait. If a person wants to defend a forest from being cut down because a moth could go extinct, that person is likely to be liberal. If a person wants to defend the rights of a transgender who might represent .1% of the population, that person is likely to be liberal. An unborn fetus is literally the most defenseless class of human beings on the planet, more vulnerable than any ethnic minority or LGBT person. - Most of the unborn people being murdered/aborted are black. This is not a racist claim, it is a statistic that can be verified by a simple Google search. Liberals usually want to support minorities and the rally cry today is "Black lives matter" - It deals in facts. Liberals tend to not care if facts fly in the face of their pre-conceived notions. The fact is that an abortion is ugly. There is a lot of blood. Cracked skulls. Little arms and legs being sucked up through a vacuum. A horrible and gruesome death for an innocent life. - Some liberals have argued that a chimpanzee should be given the same rights as humans given that they are 98.6% genetically the same as humans. I would argue that since a fetus is 100% genetically the same as a human, those rights should also extend to a fetus. Why Pro-Choice should be conservative: - Abortion is fiscally conservative. A lot of money is saved by someone paying for a $400 abortion than thousands of dollars every year for the infant's food, medical care, and eventual schooling- all of which would be funded by taxpayers. - Murdering a few to prevent the murder of more in the future is typically a conservative talking point. If violent crime plummeted 18 years after Roe vs Wade was passed in 1973, this is evidence that the people who were aborted were more likely to become criminals. Unwantedness leads to people becoming criminals. If they are aborted, they won't be able to commit crimes or kill anyone in the future. The original point is that conservatives defend this way of thinking routinely. Nagasaki and Hiroshima? Well we needed to bomb them because more people would've died had we invaded Japan. Iraq? Well we need to kill them before they kill thousands of others. - the point about most aborted fetuses being black... yeah this one is pretty self-explanatory. alt-right people should have no problem with this statistic. <cite>gbpxl posted [p:898468592] in Pro-Life s... [t:76451796]...</cite> <quote>Why Pro-Life should be liberal: - Defending the defenseless is typically a very liberal trait. If a person wants to defend a forest from being cut down because a moth could go extinct, that person is likely to be liberal. If a person wants to defend the rights of a transgender who might represent .1% of the population, that person is likely to be liberal. An unborn fetus is literally the most defenseless class of human beings on the planet, more vulnerable than any ethnic minority or LGBT person. - Most of the unborn people being murdered/aborted are black. This is not a racist claim, it is a statistic that can be verified by a simple Google search. Liberals usually want to support minorities and the rally cry today is "Black lives matter" - It deals in facts. Liberals tend to not care if facts fly in the face of their pre-conceived notions. The fact is that an abortion is ugly. There is a lot of blood. Cracked skulls. Little arms and legs being sucked up through a vacuum. A horrible and gruesome death for an innocent life. - Some liberals have argued that a chimpanzee should be given the same rights as humans given that they are 98.6% genetically the same as humans. I would argue that since a fetus is 100% genetically the same as a human, those rights should also extend to a fetus. Why Pro-Choice should be conservative: - Abortion is fiscally conservative. A lot of money is saved by someone paying for a $400 abortion than thousands of dollars every year for the infant's food, medical care, and eventual schooling- all of which would be funded by taxpayers. - Murdering a few to prevent the murder of more in the future is typically a conservative talking point. If violent crime plummeted 18 years after Roe vs Wade was passed in 1973, this is evidence that the people who were aborted were more likely to become criminals. Unwantedness leads to people becoming criminals. If they are aborted, they won't be able to commit crimes or kill anyone in the future. The original point is that conservatives defend this way of thinking routinely. Nagasaki and Hiroshima? Well we needed to bomb them because more people would've died had we invaded Japan. Iraq? Well we need to kill them before they kill thousands of others. - the point about most aborted fetuses being black... yeah this one is pretty self-explanatory. alt-right people should have no problem with this statistic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Punctus_Pilot 03/25/18 2:34:30 PM #2:	gbpxl posted... An unborn fetus is literally human being There's your first mistake <cite>Punctus_Pilot posted [p:898468696] in Pro-Life s... [t:76451796]...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote>An unborn fetus is literally human being</quote> There's your first mistake</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 03/25/18 2:34:33 PM #3:	Yeah but you're forgetting religious views. That being said, conservatives should fundamentally be against the government having any say on what an individual can and cannot do with their body. --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:898468698] in Pro-Life s... [t:76451796]...</cite> <quote>Yeah but you're forgetting religious views. That being said, conservatives should fundamentally be against the government having any say on what an individual can and cannot do with their body.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gbpxl 03/25/18 2:36:26 PM #4:	Smashingpmkns posted... Yeah but you're forgetting religious views. That being said, conservatives should fundamentally be against the government having any say on what an individual can and cannot do with their body. I forgot this point. you are correct. cons hate the government telling them what they can and cannot do and libs are more likely to want govt control of things <cite>gbpxl posted [p:898468791] in Pro-Life s... [t:76451796]...</cite> <quote><cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah but you're forgetting religious views. That being said, conservatives should fundamentally be against the government having any say on what an individual can and cannot do with their body.</quote> I forgot this point. you are correct. cons hate the government telling them what they can and cannot do and libs are more likely to want govt control of things</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gbpxl 03/25/18 2:36:41 PM #5:	Punctus_Pilot posted... gbpxl posted... An unborn fetus is literally human being There's your first mistake Care to explain? <cite>gbpxl posted [p:898468806] in Pro-Life s... [t:76451796]...</cite> <quote><cite>Punctus_Pilot posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote>An unborn fetus is literally human being</quote> There's your first mistake</quote> Care to explain?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 03/25/18 2:39:47 PM #6:	gbpxl posted... Smashingpmkns posted... Yeah but you're forgetting religious views. That being said, conservatives should fundamentally be against the government having any say on what an individual can and cannot do with their body. I forgot this point. you are correct. cons hate the government telling them what they can and cannot do and libs are more likely to want govt control of things But then they have the argument that resembles something like "the fetus isn't your body" or something. It really all boils down to religious views though. --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:898468946] in Pro-Life s... [t:76451796]...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote> Yeah but you're forgetting religious views. That being said, conservatives should fundamentally be against the government having any say on what an individual can and cannot do with their body.</quote> I forgot this point. you are correct. cons hate the government telling them what they can and cannot do and libs are more likely to want govt control of things</quote> But then they have the argument that resembles something like "the fetus isn't your body" or something. It really all boils down to religious views though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Punctus_Pilot 03/25/18 2:40:10 PM #7:	gbpxl posted... Punctus_Pilot posted... gbpxl posted... An unborn fetus is literally human being There's your first mistake Care to explain? A fetus is not a person <cite>Punctus_Pilot posted [p:898468967] in Pro-Life s... [t:76451796]...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Punctus_Pilot posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote>An unborn fetus is literally human being</quote> There's your first mistake</quote> Care to explain?</quote> A fetus is not a person</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GiftedACIII 03/25/18 2:49:09 PM #8:	Everyone should be for abortion. --- </topic> <cite>GiftedACIII posted [p:898469396] in Pro-Life s... [t:76451796]...</cite> <quote>Everyone should be for abortion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gbpxl 03/25/18 2:52:05 PM #9:	Smashingpmkns posted... gbpxl posted... Smashingpmkns posted... Yeah but you're forgetting religious views. That being said, conservatives should fundamentally be against the government having any say on what an individual can and cannot do with their body. I forgot this point. you are correct. cons hate the government telling them what they can and cannot do and libs are more likely to want govt control of things But then they have the argument that resembles something like "the fetus isn't your body" or something. It really all boils down to religious views though. No it doesn't. I'm atheist and pro-life. <cite>gbpxl posted [p:898469534] in Pro-Life s... [t:76451796]...</cite> <quote><cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote> Yeah but you're forgetting religious views. That being said, conservatives should fundamentally be against the government having any say on what an individual can and cannot do with their body.</quote> I forgot this point. you are correct. cons hate the government telling them what they can and cannot do and libs are more likely to want govt control of things</quote> But then they have the argument that resembles something like "the fetus isn't your body" or something. It really all boils down to religious views though.</quote> No it doesn't. I'm atheist and pro-life.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 03/25/18 2:52:32 PM #10:	A lot of this has to do with the fact that the right is connected to the hip with Christians. It is christian fundamentalists that push the Pro-Life movement and so conservatives are pro-Life. --- No sig. <cite>creativerealms posted [p:898469562] in Pro-Life s... [t:76451796]...</cite> <quote>A lot of this has to do with the fact that the right is connected to the hip with Christians. It is christian fundamentalists that push the Pro-Life movement and so conservatives are pro-Life.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ImTheMacheteGuy 03/25/18 2:53:23 PM #12:	GiftedACIII posted... Everyone should be for abortion. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:898469605] in Pro-Life s... [t:76451796]...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote>Everyone should be for abortion.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 03/25/18 2:53:40 PM #13:	gbpxl posted... Smashingpmkns posted... gbpxl posted... Smashingpmkns posted... Yeah but you're forgetting religious views. That being said, conservatives should fundamentally be against the government having any say on what an individual can and cannot do with their body. I forgot this point. you are correct. cons hate the government telling them what they can and cannot do and libs are more likely to want govt control of things But then they have the argument that resembles something like "the fetus isn't your body" or something. It really all boils down to religious views though. No it doesn't. I'm atheist and pro-life. There are of course exceptions. --- No sig. <cite>creativerealms posted [p:898469615] in Pro-Life s... [t:76451796]...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote> Yeah but you're forgetting religious views. That being said, conservatives should fundamentally be against the government having any say on what an individual can and cannot do with their body.</quote> I forgot this point. you are correct. cons hate the government telling them what they can and cannot do and libs are more likely to want govt control of things</quote> But then they have the argument that resembles something like "the fetus isn't your body" or something. It really all boils down to religious views though.</quote> No it doesn't. I'm atheist and pro-life.</quote> There are of course exceptions.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gbpxl 03/25/18 2:55:00 PM #14:	Punctus_Pilot posted... gbpxl posted... Punctus_Pilot posted... gbpxl posted... An unborn fetus is literally human being There's your first mistake Care to explain? A fetus is not a person So... Fetus: not human Infant: human Child: human Teenager: human Adult: human Senior citizen: human Do I have that correct? <cite>gbpxl posted [p:898469686] in Pro-Life s... [t:76451796]...</cite> <quote><cite>Punctus_Pilot posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Punctus_Pilot posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote>An unborn fetus is literally human being</quote> There's your first mistake</quote> Care to explain?</quote> A fetus is not a person</quote> So... Fetus: not human Infant: human Child: human Teenager: human Adult: human Senior citizen: human Do I have that correct?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gbpxl 03/25/18 2:56:04 PM #15:	BettyB0op08 posted... One big thing is that pro life is also quite an anti-women ideology and conservatives are notably anti-women. What if a woman is pro-life and a fetus is female? How would that be anti-woman? <cite>gbpxl posted [p:898469739] in Pro-Life s... [t:76451796]...</cite> <quote><cite>BettyB0op08 posted...</cite> <quote>One big thing is that pro life is also quite an anti-women ideology and conservatives are notably anti-women.</quote> What if a woman is pro-life and a fetus is female? How would that be anti-woman?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 03/25/18 2:56:44 PM #16:	gbpxl posted... Smashingpmkns posted... gbpxl posted... Smashingpmkns posted... Yeah but you're forgetting religious views. That being said, conservatives should fundamentally be against the government having any say on what an individual can and cannot do with their body. I forgot this point. you are correct. cons hate the government telling them what they can and cannot do and libs are more likely to want govt control of things But then they have the argument that resembles something like "the fetus isn't your body" or something. It really all boils down to religious views though. No it doesn't. I'm atheist and pro-life. You are the exception, not the rule. Pro life is more of a religious view than a political view. --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:898469775] in Pro-Life s... [t:76451796]...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote> Yeah but you're forgetting religious views. That being said, conservatives should fundamentally be against the government having any say on what an individual can and cannot do with their body. </quote> I forgot this point. you are correct. cons hate the government telling them what they can and cannot do and libs are more likely to want govt control of things </quote> But then they have the argument that resembles something like "the fetus isn't your body" or something. It really all boils down to religious views though.</quote> No it doesn't. I'm atheist and pro-life.</quote> You are the exception, not the rule. Pro life is more of a religious view than a political view.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gbpxl 03/25/18 2:59:21 PM #17:	Smashingpmkns posted... gbpxl posted... Smashingpmkns posted... gbpxl posted... Smashingpmkns posted... Yeah but you're forgetting religious views. That being said, conservatives should fundamentally be against the government having any say on what an individual can and cannot do with their body. I forgot this point. you are correct. cons hate the government telling them what they can and cannot do and libs are more likely to want govt control of things But then they have the argument that resembles something like "the fetus isn't your body" or something. It really all boils down to religious views though. No it doesn't. I'm atheist and pro-life. You are the exception, not the rule. Pro life is more of a religious view than a political view. I've met lots of people who are irreligious and pro-life. It's more common than you think. <cite>gbpxl posted [p:898469904] in Pro-Life s... [t:76451796]...</cite> <quote><cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote> Yeah but you're forgetting religious views. That being said, conservatives should fundamentally be against the government having any say on what an individual can and cannot do with their body. </quote> I forgot this point. you are correct. cons hate the government telling them what they can and cannot do and libs are more likely to want govt control of things </quote> But then they have the argument that resembles something like "the fetus isn't your body" or something. It really all boils down to religious views though.</quote> No it doesn't. I'm atheist and pro-life.</quote> You are the exception, not the rule. Pro life is more of a religious view than a political view.</quote> I've met lots of people who are irreligious and pro-life. It's more common than you think.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TrevorBlack79 03/25/18 3:02:42 PM #18:	Pro-choice should be a bipartisan issue. --- "a minority is someone who you can tell off the bat they are black/hispanic/colored. LGBT isn't a minority" - Blakkheim1 <cite>TrevorBlack79 posted [p:898470083] in Pro-Life s... [t:76451796]...</cite> <quote>Pro-choice should be a bipartisan issue.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 03/25/18 3:02:55 PM #19:	gbpxl posted... Punctus_Pilot posted... gbpxl posted... Punctus_Pilot posted... gbpxl posted... An unborn fetus is literally human being There's your first mistake Care to explain? A fetus is not a person So... Fetus: not human Infant: human Child: human Teenager: human Adult: human Senior citizen: human Do I have that correct? Yes, but also Zygote: not human Embryo: not human --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:898470093] in Pro-Life s... [t:76451796]...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Punctus_Pilot posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Punctus_Pilot posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote>An unborn fetus is literally human being</quote> There's your first mistake</quote> Care to explain?</quote> A fetus is not a person</quote> So... Fetus: not human Infant: human Child: human Teenager: human Adult: human Senior citizen: human Do I have that correct?</quote> Yes, but also Zygote: not human Embryo: not human</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gbpxl 03/25/18 3:04:19 PM #20:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... gbpxl posted... Punctus_Pilot posted... gbpxl posted... Punctus_Pilot posted... gbpxl posted... An unborn fetus is literally human being There's your first mistake Care to explain? A fetus is not a person So... Fetus: not human Infant: human Child: human Teenager: human Adult: human Senior citizen: human Do I have that correct? Yes, but also Zygote: not human Embryo: not human So at what point does a human... become human? <cite>gbpxl posted [p:898470163] in Pro-Life s... [t:76451796]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Punctus_Pilot posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Punctus_Pilot posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote>An unborn fetus is literally human being</quote> There's your first mistake</quote> Care to explain?</quote> A fetus is not a person</quote> So... Fetus: not human Infant: human Child: human Teenager: human Adult: human Senior citizen: human Do I have that correct?</quote> Yes, but also Zygote: not human Embryo: not human</quote>So at what point does a human... become human?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 03/25/18 3:12:20 PM #21:	gbpxl posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... gbpxl posted... Punctus_Pilot posted... gbpxl posted... Punctus_Pilot posted... gbpxl posted... An unborn fetus is literally human being There's your first mistake Care to explain? A fetus is not a person So... Fetus: not human Infant: human Child: human Teenager: human Adult: human Senior citizen: human Do I have that correct? Yes, but also Zygote: not human Embryo: not human So at what point does a human... become human? When do you think it does? --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:898470574] in Pro-Life s... [t:76451796]...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Punctus_Pilot posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Punctus_Pilot posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote>An unborn fetus is literally human being</quote> There's your first mistake</quote> Care to explain?</quote> A fetus is not a person</quote> So... Fetus: not human Infant: human Child: human Teenager: human Adult: human Senior citizen: human Do I have that correct?</quote> Yes, but also Zygote: not human Embryo: not human</quote>So at what point does a human... become human?</quote> When do you think it does?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Raikuro 03/25/18 3:20:05 PM #22:	gbpxl posted... Why Pro-Life should be liberal: - It deals in facts. lol no, it's the most emotion based argument of all the hot button talking points. <cite>Raikuro posted [p:898470980] in Pro-Life s... [t:76451796]...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote>Why Pro-Life should be liberal: - It deals in facts.</quote> lol no, it's the most emotion based argument of all the hot button talking points.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gbpxl 03/25/18 3:20:30 PM #23:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... gbpxl posted... When do you think it does? I asked you first. <cite>gbpxl posted [p:898471014] in Pro-Life s... [t:76451796]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> When do you think it does?</quote> I asked you first.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 03/25/18 3:24:40 PM #24:	gbpxl posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... gbpxl posted... When do you think it does? I asked you first. Oh? It seemed like you were asking for a definitive answer, not an opinion. I was asking your opinion. If you can confirm that you're asking for my opinion, that would validate your statement that you asked first and I would then answer first. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:898471222] in Pro-Life s... [t:76451796]...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> When do you think it does?</quote> I asked you first.</quote> Oh? It seemed like you were asking for a definitive answer, not an opinion. I was asking your opinion. If you can confirm that you're asking for my opinion, that would validate your statement that you asked first and I would then answer first.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joestarrr 03/25/18 3:27:29 PM #25:	Punctus_Pilot posted... gbpxl posted... An unborn fetus is literally human being There's your first mistake --- https://joestarrr.sarahah.com/ <cite>joestarrr posted [p:898471379] in Pro-Life s... [t:76451796]...</cite> <quote><cite>Punctus_Pilot posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote>An unborn fetus is literally human being</quote> There's your first mistake</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DesuDeku 03/25/18 3:28:32 PM #26:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... gbpxl posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... gbpxl posted... When do you think it does? I asked you first. Oh? It seemed like you were asking for a definitive answer, not an opinion. I was asking your opinion. If you can confirm that you're asking for my opinion, that would validate your statement that you asked first and I would then answer first. What? --- Believe in yourself! https://i.imgur.com/UB9dwaa.png <cite>DesuDeku posted [p:898471427] in Pro-Life s... [t:76451796]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> When do you think it does?</quote> I asked you first.</quote> Oh? It seemed like you were asking for a definitive answer, not an opinion. I was asking your opinion. If you can confirm that you're asking for my opinion, that would validate your statement that you asked first and I would then answer first.</quote> What?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EndOfDiscOne 03/25/18 3:29:38 PM #27:	I agree with TC. It shouldnt be about religion but people feel they have to fall in line with their party. --- I am the Cheese! I am the best character on the show! I am better than both the salami and the bologna *COMBINED!* <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted [p:898471475] in Pro-Life s... [t:76451796]...</cite> <quote>I agree with TC. It shouldnt be about religion but people feel they have to fall in line with their party.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gbpxl 03/25/18 3:29:38 PM #28:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... gbpxl posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... gbpxl posted... When do you think it does? I asked you first. Oh? It seemed like you were asking for a definitive answer, not an opinion. I was asking your opinion. If you can confirm that you're asking for my opinion, that would validate your statement that you asked first and I would then answer first. When does a fetus become a human? <cite>gbpxl posted [p:898471477] in Pro-Life s... [t:76451796]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> When do you think it does?</quote> I asked you first.</quote> Oh? It seemed like you were asking for a definitive answer, not an opinion. I was asking your opinion. If you can confirm that you're asking for my opinion, that would validate your statement that you asked first and I would then answer first.</quote> When does a fetus become a human?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dirtycommunist 03/25/18 3:32:11 PM #29:	Pro choice is definitely the right "liberal" position. It's not that liberals are for abortions, or against reproduction. It's that liberals are for family planning, as in people should have control over the circumstances of when they do and do not have babies, which benefits everyone from the child to the family to society at large. --- ***not actually a communist, only dirty on occasion <cite>dirtycommunist posted [p:898471622] in Pro-Life s... [t:76451796]...</cite> <quote>Pro choice is definitely the right "liberal" position. It's not that liberals are for abortions, or against reproduction. It's that liberals are for family planning, as in people should have control over the circumstances of when they do and do not have babies, which benefits everyone from the child to the family to society at large.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gbpxl 03/25/18 3:34:15 PM #30:	dirtycommunist posted... Pro choice is definitely the right "liberal" position. It's not that liberals are for abortions, or against reproduction. It's that liberals are for family planning, as in people should have control over the circumstances of when they do and do not have babies, which benefits everyone from the child to the family to society at large. Don't condoms and birth control pills afford people that right? <cite>gbpxl posted [p:898471718] in Pro-Life s... [t:76451796]...</cite> <quote><cite>dirtycommunist posted...</cite> <quote>Pro choice is definitely the right "liberal" position. It's not that liberals are for abortions, or against reproduction. It's that liberals are for family planning, as in people should have control over the circumstances of when they do and do not have babies, which benefits everyone from the child to the family to society at large.</quote> Don't condoms and birth control pills afford people that right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 03/25/18 3:36:32 PM #31:	gbpxl posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... gbpxl posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... gbpxl posted... When do you think it does? I asked you first. Oh? It seemed like you were asking for a definitive answer, not an opinion. I was asking your opinion. If you can confirm that you're asking for my opinion, that would validate your statement that you asked first and I would then answer first. When does a fetus become a human? No. Follow instructions. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:898471843] in Pro-Life s... [t:76451796]...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> When do you think it does?</quote> I asked you first.</quote> Oh? It seemed like you were asking for a definitive answer, not an opinion. I was asking your opinion. If you can confirm that you're asking for my opinion, that would validate your statement that you asked first and I would then answer first.</quote> When does a fetus become a human?</quote> No. Follow instructions.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dirtycommunist 03/25/18 3:36:32 PM #32:	gbpxl posted... Don't condoms and birth control pills afford people that right? They're definitely part of family planning, but unplanned pregnancies still happen. First line of family planning vs. last line of family planning. --- ***not actually a communist, only dirty on occasion <cite>dirtycommunist posted [p:898471844] in Pro-Life s... [t:76451796]...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote>Don't condoms and birth control pills afford people that right?</quote> They're definitely part of family planning, but unplanned pregnancies still happen. First line of family planning vs. last line of family planning.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gbpxl 03/25/18 3:38:18 PM #33:	dirtycommunist posted... gbpxl posted... Don't condoms and birth control pills afford people that right? They're definitely part of family planning, but unplanned pregnancies still happen. First line of family planning vs. last line of family planning. Ending the life of an innocent fetus is not family planning, it is murder. <cite>gbpxl posted [p:898471935] in Pro-Life s... [t:76451796]...</cite> <quote><cite>dirtycommunist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote>Don't condoms and birth control pills afford people that right?</quote> They're definitely part of family planning, but unplanned pregnancies still happen. First line of family planning vs. last line of family planning.</quote> Ending the life of an innocent fetus is not family planning, it is murder.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gbpxl 03/25/18 3:38:35 PM #34:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... gbpxl posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... gbpxl posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... gbpxl posted... When do you think it does? I asked you first. Oh? It seemed like you were asking for a definitive answer, not an opinion. I was asking your opinion. If you can confirm that you're asking for my opinion, that would validate your statement that you asked first and I would then answer first. When does a fetus become a human? No. Follow instructions. When does a fetus become a human? <cite>gbpxl posted [p:898471956] in Pro-Life s... [t:76451796]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> When do you think it does?</quote> I asked you first.</quote> Oh? It seemed like you were asking for a definitive answer, not an opinion. I was asking your opinion. If you can confirm that you're asking for my opinion, that would validate your statement that you asked first and I would then answer first.</quote> When does a fetus become a human?</quote> No. Follow instructions.</quote> When does a fetus become a human?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EndOfDiscOne 03/25/18 3:38:51 PM #35:	dirtycommunist posted... Pro choice is definitely the right "liberal" position. It's not that liberals are for abortions, or against reproduction. It's that liberals are for family planning, as in people should have control over the circumstances of when they do and do not have babies, which benefits everyone from the child to the family to society at large. Even this sounds more conservative. --- I am the Cheese! I am the best character on the show! I am better than both the salami and the bologna *COMBINED!* <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted [p:898471973] in Pro-Life s... [t:76451796]...</cite> <quote><cite>dirtycommunist posted...</cite> <quote>Pro choice is definitely the right "liberal" position. It's not that liberals are for abortions, or against reproduction. It's that liberals are for family planning, as in people should have control over the circumstances of when they do and do not have babies, which benefits everyone from the child to the family to society at large.</quote> Even this sounds more conservative.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 03/25/18 3:40:54 PM #36:	gbpxl posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... gbpxl posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... gbpxl posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... gbpxl posted... When do you think it does? I asked you first. Oh? It seemed like you were asking for a definitive answer, not an opinion. I was asking your opinion. If you can confirm that you're asking for my opinion, that would validate your statement that you asked first and I would then answer first. When does a fetus become a human? No. Follow instructions. When does a fetus become a human? Keep it up. Disruptive posting. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:898472080] in Pro-Life s... [t:76451796]...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> When do you think it does?</quote> I asked you first.</quote> Oh? It seemed like you were asking for a definitive answer, not an opinion. I was asking your opinion. If you can confirm that you're asking for my opinion, that would validate your statement that you asked first and I would then answer first.</quote> When does a fetus become a human?</quote> No. Follow instructions.</quote> When does a fetus become a human?</quote> Keep it up. Disruptive posting.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dirtycommunist 03/25/18 3:42:13 PM #37:	gbpxl posted... Ending the life of an innocent fetus is not family planning, it is murder. Well, we disagree at a pretty fundamental level here, so there isn't much more to be said. I wish you the best of luck in never needing an abortion. --- ***not actually a communist, only dirty on occasion <cite>dirtycommunist posted [p:898472146] in Pro-Life s... [t:76451796]...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote>Ending the life of an innocent fetus is not family planning, it is murder. </quote> Well, we disagree at a pretty fundamental level here, so there isn't much more to be said. I wish you the best of luck in never needing an abortion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gbpxl 03/25/18 3:42:22 PM #38:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... gbpxl posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... gbpxl posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... gbpxl posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... gbpxl posted... When do you think it does? I asked you first. Oh? It seemed like you were asking for a definitive answer, not an opinion. I was asking your opinion. If you can confirm that you're asking for my opinion, that would validate your statement that you asked first and I would then answer first. When does a fetus become a human? No. Follow instructions. When does a fetus become a human? Keep it up. Disruptive posting. When does a fetus become a human? <cite>gbpxl posted [p:898472157] in Pro-Life s... [t:76451796]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> When do you think it does?</quote> I asked you first.</quote> Oh? It seemed like you were asking for a definitive answer, not an opinion. I was asking your opinion. If you can confirm that you're asking for my opinion, that would validate your statement that you asked first and I would then answer first.</quote> When does a fetus become a human?</quote> No. Follow instructions.</quote> When does a fetus become a human?</quote> Keep it up. Disruptive posting.</quote> When does a fetus become a human?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darklit_Minuet 03/25/18 3:43:05 PM #39:	gbpxl posted... dirtycommunist posted... gbpxl posted... Don't condoms and birth control pills afford people that right? They're definitely part of family planning, but unplanned pregnancies still happen. First line of family planning vs. last line of family planning. Ending the life of an innocent fetus is not family planning, it is murder. No it's not. <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted [p:898472184] in Pro-Life s... [t:76451796]...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>dirtycommunist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote>Don't condoms and birth control pills afford people that right?</quote> They're definitely part of family planning, but unplanned pregnancies still happen. First line of family planning vs. last line of family planning.</quote> Ending the life of an innocent fetus is not family planning, it is murder.</quote> No it's not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 03/25/18 3:43:52 PM #40:	Okay. Your loss. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:898472224] in Pro-Life s... [t:76451796]...</cite> <quote>Okay. Your loss.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gbpxl 03/25/18 3:44:08 PM #41:	dirtycommunist posted... gbpxl posted... Ending the life of an innocent fetus is not family planning, it is murder. Well, we disagree at a pretty fundamental level here, so there isn't much more to be said. I wish you the best of luck in never needing an abortion. I use condoms. I check afterwards to make sure the condom did its job. If it didn't, we have a morning after pill. None of those methods involve killing a fetus. Why am I the only one able to understand how to properly use birth control? <cite>gbpxl posted [p:898472240] in Pro-Life s... [t:76451796]...</cite> <quote><cite>dirtycommunist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote>Ending the life of an innocent fetus is not family planning, it is murder. </quote> Well, we disagree at a pretty fundamental level here, so there isn't much more to be said. I wish you the best of luck in never needing an abortion.</quote> I use condoms. I check afterwards to make sure the condom did its job. If it didn't, we have a morning after pill. None of those methods involve killing a fetus. Why am I the only one able to understand how to properly use birth control?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gbpxl 03/25/18 3:44:43 PM #42:	Darklit_Minuet posted... gbpxl posted... dirtycommunist posted... gbpxl posted... Don't condoms and birth control pills afford people that right? They're definitely part of family planning, but unplanned pregnancies still happen. First line of family planning vs. last line of family planning. Ending the life of an innocent fetus is not family planning, it is murder. No it's not. Explain. <cite>gbpxl posted [p:898472269] in Pro-Life s... [t:76451796]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>dirtycommunist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote>Don't condoms and birth control pills afford people that right?</quote> They're definitely part of family planning, but unplanned pregnancies still happen. First line of family planning vs. last line of family planning.</quote> Ending the life of an innocent fetus is not family planning, it is murder.</quote> No it's not.</quote> Explain.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zodd3224 03/25/18 3:47:25 PM #43:	Im pretty liberal and I think abortions are wrong. --- "Just Karate chop the nightmare into submission." -Laurie1527 <cite>Zodd3224 posted [p:898472397] in Pro-Life s... [t:76451796]...</cite> <quote>Im pretty liberal and I think abortions are wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darklit_Minuet 03/25/18 3:48:47 PM #44:	gbpxl posted... Explain Murder is defined as the illegal taking of human life. Nothing illegal about abortion. I consider it more along the lines of justified self defense, a woman is allowed to prevent others from using her body against her will. <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted [p:898472463] in Pro-Life s... [t:76451796]...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote>Explain</quote> Murder is defined as the illegal taking of human life. Nothing illegal about abortion. I consider it more along the lines of justified self defense, a woman is allowed to prevent others from using her body against her will.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gbpxl 03/25/18 3:50:11 PM #45:	Darklit_Minuet posted... gbpxl posted... Explain Murder is defined as the illegal taking of human life. Nothing illegal about abortion. I consider it more along the lines of justified self defense, a woman is allowed to prevent others from using her body against her will. Killing a baby is self-defense? Was the baby going to kill the abortion doctor? The mother? <cite>gbpxl posted [p:898472525] in Pro-Life s... [t:76451796]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote>Explain</quote> Murder is defined as the illegal taking of human life. Nothing illegal about abortion. I consider it more along the lines of justified self defense, a woman is allowed to prevent others from using her body against her will.</quote> Killing a baby is self-defense? Was the baby going to kill the abortion doctor? The mother?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dirtycommunist 03/25/18 3:50:41 PM #46:	gbpxl posted... I use condoms. I check afterwards to make sure the condom did its job. If it didn't, we have a morning after pill. None of those methods involve killing a fetus. Why am I the only one able to understand how to properly use birth control? Congratulations on utilizing yet another form of family planning! But this doesn't invalidate what I said about unplanned pregnancies still happening. Condoms and morning after pills don't do much good at that point. Yes you can rebut this by saying abortion is murder, but no I still won't agree with that premise. --- ***not actually a communist, only dirty on occasion <cite>dirtycommunist posted [p:898472549] in Pro-Life s... [t:76451796]...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote>I use condoms. I check afterwards to make sure the condom did its job. If it didn't, we have a morning after pill. None of those methods involve killing a fetus. Why am I the only one able to understand how to properly use birth control?</quote> Congratulations on utilizing yet another form of family planning! But this doesn't invalidate what I said about unplanned pregnancies still happening. Condoms and morning after pills don't do much good at that point. Yes you can rebut this by saying abortion is murder, but no I still won't agree with that premise.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gbpxl 03/25/18 3:53:36 PM #47:	dirtycommunist posted... gbpxl posted... I use condoms. I check afterwards to make sure the condom did its job. If it didn't, we have a morning after pill. None of those methods involve killing a fetus. Why am I the only one able to understand how to properly use birth control? Congratulations on utilizing yet another form of family planning! But this doesn't invalidate what I said about unplanned pregnancies still happening. Condoms and morning after pills don't do much good at that point. Yes you can rebut this by saying abortion is murder, but no I still won't agree with that premise. If your condom fails and your morning after pill fails, that is God/Allah/Manbearpig/flying spaghetti monster's way of saying you are destined to have a child. <cite>gbpxl posted [p:898472670] in Pro-Life s... [t:76451796]...</cite> <quote><cite>dirtycommunist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote>I use condoms. I check afterwards to make sure the condom did its job. If it didn't, we have a morning after pill. None of those methods involve killing a fetus. Why am I the only one able to understand how to properly use birth control?</quote> Congratulations on utilizing yet another form of family planning! But this doesn't invalidate what I said about unplanned pregnancies still happening. Condoms and morning after pills don't do much good at that point. Yes you can rebut this by saying abortion is murder, but no I still won't agree with that premise.</quote> If your condom fails and your morning after pill fails, that is God/Allah/Manbearpig/flying spaghetti monster's way of saying you are destined to have a child.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hollow_shrine 03/25/18 3:56:22 PM #48:	Everyone should be pro-choice. Conservatism on grounds of personal agency, and empowering people to make the best choices for their lives. That includes personal responsibility, which is more often coded language used to shame people who get abortions despite that likely being the responsible decision given their circumstances. Liberalism on grounds of social and economic justice. And strategic thinking that fewer children born to unprepared or unwanting patents equals fewer drains on society further down the line and fewer things feeding back into these families' cycles of poverty. And liberalism would wring it's hands at the possibility of not having this as an option. It's only when we move towards nationalistic or authoritarian extremes that these positions make internal sense. --- Whatever happened to standards? Whatever happened to bare minimums? https://i.imgtc.com/7UnK3hx.jpg <cite>hollow_shrine posted [p:898472804] in Pro-Life s... [t:76451796]...</cite> <quote>Everyone should be pro-choice. Conservatism on grounds of personal agency, and empowering people to make the best choices for their lives. That includes personal responsibility, which is more often coded language used to shame people who get abortions despite that likely being the responsible decision given their circumstances. Liberalism on grounds of social and economic justice. And strategic thinking that fewer children born to unprepared or unwanting patents equals fewer drains on society further down the line and fewer things feeding back into these families' cycles of poverty. And liberalism would wring it's hands at the possibility of not having this as an option. It's only when we move towards nationalistic or authoritarian extremes that these positions make internal sense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gbpxl 03/25/18 3:59:02 PM #49:	hollow_shrine posted... Everyone should be pro-choice. Conservatism on grounds of personal agency, and empowering people to make the best choices for their lives. That includes personal responsibility, which is more often coded language used to shame people who get abortions despite that likely being the responsible decision given their circumstances. Liberalism on grounds of social and economic justice. And strategic thinking that fewer children born to unprepared or unwanting patents equals fewer drains on society further down the line and fewer things feeding back into these families' cycles of poverty. And liberalism would wring it's hands at the possibility of not having this as an option. It's only when we move towards nationalistic or authoritarian extremes that these positions make internal sense. You said everyone should be pro-choice. If a fetus had the means to speak an opinion, would he/she be pro-choice? <cite>gbpxl posted [p:898472925] in Pro-Life s... [t:76451796]...</cite> <quote><cite>hollow_shrine posted...</cite> <quote>Everyone should be pro-choice. Conservatism on grounds of personal agency, and empowering people to make the best choices for their lives. That includes personal responsibility, which is more often coded language used to shame people who get abortions despite that likely being the responsible decision given their circumstances. Liberalism on grounds of social and economic justice. And strategic thinking that fewer children born to unprepared or unwanting patents equals fewer drains on society further down the line and fewer things feeding back into these families' cycles of poverty. And liberalism would wring it's hands at the possibility of not having this as an option. It's only when we move towards nationalistic or authoritarian extremes that these positions make internal sense.</quote> You said everyone should be pro-choice. If a fetus had the means to speak an opinion, would he/she be pro-choice?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 03/25/18 4:00:28 PM #50:	gbpxl posted... dirtycommunist posted... gbpxl posted... I use condoms. I check afterwards to make sure the condom did its job. If it didn't, we have a morning after pill. None of those methods involve killing a fetus. Why am I the only one able to understand how to properly use birth control? Congratulations on utilizing yet another form of family planning! But this doesn't invalidate what I said about unplanned pregnancies still happening. Condoms and morning after pills don't do much good at that point. Yes you can rebut this by saying abortion is murder, but no I still won't agree with that premise. If your condom fails and your morning after pill fails, that is God/Allah/Manbearpig/flying spaghetti monster's way of saying you are destined to have a child. THERE we go. THAT'S what I needed to see. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:898473000] in Pro-Life s... [t:76451796]...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>dirtycommunist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote>I use condoms. I check afterwards to make sure the condom did its job. If it didn't, we have a morning after pill. None of those methods involve killing a fetus. Why am I the only one able to understand how to properly use birth control?</quote> Congratulations on utilizing yet another form of family planning! But this doesn't invalidate what I said about unplanned pregnancies still happening. Condoms and morning after pills don't do much good at that point. Yes you can rebut this by saying abortion is murder, but no I still won't agree with that premise.</quote> If your condom fails and your morning after pill fails, that is God/Allah/Manbearpig/flying spaghetti monster's way of saying you are destined to have a child.</quote> THERE we go. THAT'S what I needed to see.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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