Current Events > NYT: Trump lawyer floated idea of presidential pardons for Manafort and Flynn

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I'm using the CNN version because it isn't paywalled.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/28/politics/dowd-flynn-manafort-pardons/index.html

President Donald Trump's lawyer, John Dowd, floated the possibility last year with lawyers for former national security adviser Michael Flynn and former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort that the President might issue pardons for both men, The New York Times reported on Wednesday, citing three individuals with knowledge of the discussions.
The conversations happened as special counsel Robert Mueller "was building cases against both men," the Times reported, which raises "questions about whether the lawyer, John Dowd, was offering pardons to influence their decisions about whether to plead guilty and cooperate in the investigation" into Russian interference in the 2016 election.

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But the President discussed the subject of presidential pardons in a meeting with lawyers with the White House Counsel's office, the Times reports, citing a person who was briefed on what was discussed during the meeting.
A grand jury had already been convened to look into evidence against Flynn by the time Dowd spoke with Kelner, the Times reports, while the conversation with Brown took place prior to an indictment handed down in October charging Manafort for various financial crimes. Flynn has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russia's ambassador and is cooperating with Mueller's investigation.
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Yikers
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Bamp
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Mueller really hopes this happens so he can play his trap card.
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Reminder, Trump once asked if he could pardon himself .
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Pardon Manafort for what? The FBI raid was a symbolic gesture.

Fake news
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But but but Hillary.......
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he pardoned joe arpaio, so this doesn't surprise me.
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What if Trump abdicates to Pence, Pence gives Trump a complete pardon for all crimes, past present and future, then immediately abdicates to Trump so that Trump is now president but with the immunity of a pardon from Pence. This way the Muller probe will be useless.
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frozenshock posted...

What if Trump abdicates to Pence, Pence gives Trump a complete pardon for all crimes, past present and future, then immediately abdicates to Trump so that Trump is now president but with the immunity of a pardon from Pence. This way the Muller probe will be useless.

I don't know if you are serious, but you don't get to just abdicate to whomever. Trump would have to go through Congress to become the new VP.

Also, pardons don't stop impeachment.
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Broseph_Stalin posted...

Pardon Manafort for what? The FBI raid was a symbolic gesture.

It was certainly amusing when that statement came back and blew up in Addys dumb face.
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Iodine posted...

Mueller really hopes this happens so he can play his trap card.

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We just need to get more 8 more months
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0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Pardon Manafort for what? The FBI raid was a symbolic gesture.

It was certainly amusing when that statement came back and blew up in Addys dumb face.

woah. What happened?
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Bishop9800 posted...

woah. What happened?

When they raided his apartment, Admiral claimed it was a "symbolic gesture" and that they hadn't found anything and it wasn't important, or something roughly along those lines.
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If they accept the pardon (you are allowed to refuse), they will be admitting their guilt. Their lives, for all intents and purposes, will be over. By continuing to co-operate with Mueller, the can continue to live their lives unhindered.
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Anteaterking posted...

Bishop9800 posted...

woah. What happened?

When they raided his apartment, Admiral claimed it was a "symbolic gesture" and that they hadn't found anything and it wasn't important, or something roughly along those lines.

This can't be true. Addy knows what he's talking about. Always.
@The_Admiral
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Anteaterking posted...

Bishop9800 posted...

woah. What happened?

When they raided his apartment, Admiral claimed it was a "symbolic gesture" and that they hadn't found anything and it wasn't important, or something roughly along those lines.

Typical Addy!!
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He's never responded to being called out for that.
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DarkChozoGhost posted...

He's never responded to being called out for that.

He'll avoid this topic like a BLM meeting.
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ChainedRedone posted...

Anteaterking posted...

Bishop9800 posted...

woah. What happened?

When they raided his apartment, Admiral claimed it was a "symbolic gesture" and that they hadn't found anything and it wasn't important, or something roughly along those lines.

This can't be true. Addy knows what he's talking about. Always.
The_Admiral

Yeah, he does, and nothing about the charges had anything to do with this Russia election conspiracy. Manafort was indicted for shady dealings, which is completely irrelevant to what we are discussing.

Also, still amusing seeing @Broseph_Stalin getting so triggered about this, even after he pathetically edited a screenshot to make it look like I created that topic.
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The Admiral posted...

Yeah, he does, and nothing about the charges had anything to do with this Russia election conspiracy. Manafort was indicted for shady dealings, which is completely irrelevant to what we are discussing.

Ah, finally addressing it.

He's pretending that when he said "No charges will come of this," he didn't mean it literally.
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@The_Admiral posted...

Manafort was indicted for shady dealings

You conveniently left out conspiracy against the United States, acting as an unregistered agent of a foreign principal and violating FARA. And this is the screenshot, I didn't edit anything:



People still find this funny because

A) You thought an FBI raid was a "symbolic gesture" like they do it if they're bored or something.
B) Your horrible reading comprehension. You're an adult who doesn't know what including means.
C) Every time it's brought up you double down on your embarrassing Trump shilling. Sad!

Broseph_Stalin posted...

B) Your horrible reading comprehension. You're an adult who doesn't know what including means.

I think everybody knows this about Addy. Its funny how he always telling people that they need reading comprehension, but he's the main one who cant read shit.
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Broseph_Stalin posted...

The_Admiral posted...

Manafort was indicted for shady dealings

You conveniently left out conspiracy against the United States, acting as an unregistered agent of a foreign principal and violating FARA. And this is the screenshot, I didn't edit anything:



People still find this funny because

A) You thought an FBI raid was a "symbolic gesture" like they do it if they're bored or something.
B) Your horrible reading comprehension. You're an adult who doesn't know what including means.
C) Every time it's brought up you double down on your embarrassing Trump shilling. Sad!

D) Its edited to look like I created the topic. You cut the title and pasted it above the post, and also deliberately cropped out the post number. How big of a loser do you need to be do that?

Also, if you were capable of reading, youd see that Trump-Russia connection is clearly mentioned. This just tells me you dont even understand the charges against Manafort.
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The Admiral posted...

D) Its edited to look like I created the topic. You cut the title and pasted it above the post, and also deliberately cropped out the post number. How big of a loser do you need to be do that?

....so? That doesn't change the context of your post.
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pegusus123456 posted...

The Admiral posted...

D) Its edited to look like I created the topic. You cut the title and pasted it above the post, and also deliberately cropped out the post number. How big of a loser do you need to be do that?

....so? That doesn't change the context of your post.

Ugh, it does, because Im replying to previous comments about this leading to Trumps impeachment.
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CNN and NBC must've taught this guy how to edit something to try and make it look better in their favor.

Pathetic. Just more proof that these journalistic practices are now rubbing off on regular people. Scummy.
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Lol admiral meltdowns are great
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shockthemonkey posted...

lmao Admiral too salty to admit he was wrong

Hutton so triggered by me hell go along with edited screenshots just to claim a gotcha moment.

*insert 3 emojis like he normally would*
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The Admiral posted...

D) Its edited to look like I created the topic. You cut the title and pasted it above the post,

Click on the number next to a post. That's how it looks.
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I mean, Trump puts blind faith in the idiots he hires since he can't think for himself so it makes sense to me.
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Anteaterking posted...

The Admiral posted...

D) Its edited to look like I created the topic. You cut the title and pasted it above the post,

Click on the number next to a post. That's how it looks.

He's going to claim because the topic number was edited out of the image that it was intentionally cut that way to still justify his allegation.

Which is stupid and wrong, but still
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

Anteaterking posted...

The Admiral posted...

D) Its edited to look like I created the topic. You cut the title and pasted it above the post,

Click on the number next to a post. That's how it looks.

He's going to claim because the topic number was edited out of the image that it was intentionally cut that way to still justify his allegation.

Which is stupid and wrong, but still

He can make a weak argument that it's misleadingly cropped. I just think that the idea of it being hacked up with pieces moving around is sort of prescribing a level of work to the picture that I think is misleading.
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Anteaterking posted...

The Admiral posted...

D) Its edited to look like I created the topic. You cut the title and pasted it above the post,

Click on the number next to a post. That's how it looks.

Nope. Take a screenshot of that yourself and post it. Has an extra blue header and fewer buttons.

Keep defending someone who is such as loser he needs to edit screenshots though.
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shockthemonkey posted...

The Admiral posted...

Anteaterking posted...

The Admiral posted...

D) Its edited to look like I created the topic. You cut the title and pasted it above the post,

Click on the number next to a post. That's how it looks.

Nope. Take a screenshot of that yourself and post it. Has an extra blue header and fewer buttons.

Keep defending someone who is such as loser he needs to edit screenshots though.

Did you actually type and post those things or not?

Yes.

Hes just taking a page out of Trumps book and calling anything that goes against his narrative fake news.
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shockthemonkey posted...

The Admiral posted...

Anteaterking posted...

The Admiral posted...

D) Its edited to look like I created the topic. You cut the title and pasted it above the post,

Click on the number next to a post. That's how it looks.

Nope. Take a screenshot of that yourself and post it. Has an extra blue header and fewer buttons.

Keep defending someone who is such as loser he needs to edit screenshots though.

Did you actually type and post those things or not?

I responded to a chain of posts, which have context that was intentionally removed in that screenshot so fragile @Broseph_Stalin could finally claim a gotcha moment after being humiliated so many times before.

If you want to discuss that quote, post the entire topic chain. But either way, stop making excuses for someone who was so pathetic that he edited the screenshot.
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The Admiral posted...

Anteaterking posted...

The Admiral posted...

D) Its edited to look like I created the topic. You cut the title and pasted it above the post,

Click on the number next to a post. That's how it looks.

Nope. Take a screenshot of that yourself and post it. Has an extra blue header and fewer buttons.

Keep defending someone who is such as loser he needs to edit screenshots though.

https://imgur.com/a/5a2Q9

I just used the snipping tool and placed them next to each other in Paint. The only difference between the two is I didn't snip the post number off.
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Fun fact: Admiral was once offered $50 to admit he was wrong about something.

Anything ever in his entire life.

He couldn't do it.
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The Admiral posted...

I responded to a chain of posts, which have context that was intentionally removed in that screenshot so fragile @Broseph_Stalin could finally claim a gotcha moment after being humiliated so many times before.

If you want to discuss that quote, post the entire topic chain. But either way, stop making excuses for someone who was so pathetic that he edited the screenshot.

What's the context that you think changes things? I'm looking at the original topic right now. It's your first post in the topic, you're not responding to anyone in particular, the only real conversation that's happened besides people making jokes about nothingburgers is a conversation started by Antifar about how we would react to this if it were a South American country, and then one person points out the raid happened the month prior and we didn't find out about it until now.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Fun fact: Admiral was once offered $50 to admit he was wrong about something.

Anything ever in his entire life.

He couldn't do it.

Wasnt it more than that? Cause I remember Gavi doing that for a couple people.
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Caution999 posted...

CNN and NBC must've taught this guy how to edit something to try and make it look better in their favor.

Pathetic. Just more proof that these journalistic practices are now rubbing off on regular people. Scummy.

they just saw how successful it was for Fox and how it gave them ratings. they're just being good citizens of the free market and giving the public what it wants.
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Is Admiral coming back?
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