Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 167: Can't spell corrupttion without Pruitt

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/04/04/china-just-gut-punched-trump-on-trade-is-it-time-to-get-worried/

Snohomish County in Washington state has the highest concentration of U.S. workers making airplanes and airplane parts, according to the Labor Department.

Welp, I guess it's time for my home value to start dropping.
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Yeah no shit Snohomish County has the highest concentration of people making airplanes

jesus christ fuck trump, can I kick whoever said "oh but trump doesn't personally affect you" in the balls yet, I mean the answer is yes but do I especially have permission

I didn't realize the number was so drastic, but Boeing almost has 10x more employees in Snohomish County than the number 2 employer.
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Not sure if this belongs here but it kinda shows how that Roseanne reboot is basically just pandering to Trump voters.

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/04/roseanne-revival-season-10-episode-2-spanking-conservative-politics-darlene-harris-abuse

Basically throwing out a key tenant of the character for the sake of placating the Trump base.
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Shaduln posted...

I didn't realize the number was so drastic, but Boeing almost has 10x more employees in Snohomish County than the number 2 employer.

The Boeing plant itself might as well be designated its own city

TheRock1525 posted...

Not sure if this belongs here but it kinda shows how that Roseanne reboot is basically just pandering to Trump voters.

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/04/roseanne-revival-season-10-episode-2-spanking-conservative-politics-darlene-harris-abuse

Basically throwing out a key tenant of the character for the sake of placating the Trump base.

Let me tell you something, Roseannes husband, Dan, adds. I wrote a poem for my dad. Then he hit me with a broom. And then he said, This broom will do more for you than any poem. And that was the greatest generation.

Jesus fucking Christ
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what the fuck

Conservatives: "Don't tell me how to parent!"

Also conservatives: "Let me tell you how to parent! You've gotta spank your kids ever once in a while."

If my mother or mother-in-law ever spanked any of my kids, they'd be out of my life for good.
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I had one of my coworkers tell me that the reason there are so many school shooters is because people dont spank their kids anymore. And how he would never have shot up a school because his dad would beat him for it.
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Maniac64 posted...

I had one of my coworkers tell me that the reason there are so many school shooters is because people dont spank their kids anymore. And how he would never have shot up a school because his dad would beat him for it.

Lack of punishment has definitely led to entitlement.
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Corrik posted...

Lack of punishment has definitely led to entitlement.

there's ways to punish your kids that are not spanking.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

Corrik posted...

Lack of punishment has definitely led to entitlement.

there's ways to punish your kids that are not spanking.

Positive reinforcement is just the lack of rewards when doing improper things. It sorely lacks. That is absolutely why entitlement starts. It used to be if you do something wrong you would be punished for it and doing stuff right was normal. Now it is doing stuff right is rewarded, while doing stuff not right is not rewarded. That dynamic shifts things greatly.

We ground my girls kid and take stuff off of him and he just laughs and does something else. No cares given. *Shrug*
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How old is he?
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Jakyl25 posted...

How old is he?

10. He is at that mouthing off stage. He is generally afraid to do it with me but listening to him and his mother is out of this world.
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Seems like she needs to read some parenting books
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Jakyl25 posted...

Seems like she needs to read some parenting books

Let me just ask you this now. Do you have kids? Or are you just trying to talk about something you have no experience with?

If it is the latter, you really shouldn't. If it is the former, then carry on (though I doubt it with the read a book comment).
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Corrik posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

How old is he?

10. He is at that mouthing off stage. He is generally afraid to do it with me but listening to him and his mother is out of this world.

Sounds like your classic 10 year old kid.
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Corrik posted...

It used to be if you do something wrong you would be punished for it and doing stuff right was normal.

remind me again, you claim to have a history degree right
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Corrik posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

How old is he?

10. He is at that mouthing off stage. He is generally afraid to do it with me but listening to him and his mother is out of this world.

Sounds like your classic 10 year old kid.

It is sorta except the "go kill yourself" comments or " you are autistic" or "you r*****" or "I hate you and wish you died" etc are way past being okay because my 3 year old is starting to emulate them because he hears it. And this happens over the stupidest shit like eating dinner or getting dressed for school.

She only believes in the taking stuff off of him or not letting him do things or so on route of parenting. And it shows.
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Kenri posted...

Corrik posted...

It used to be if you do something wrong you would be punished for it and doing stuff right was normal.

remind me again, you claim to have a history degree right

I have two degrees. My other degree has more to do with raising children than my history degree. But, go ahead with your stupid comment.
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My aunt is super conservative and her kid is awful. She definitely spanked him, but she was super inconsistent.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/lifestyles/stevens/ct-spanking-effects-study-balancing-0428-20160428-column.html

The spanking thing is the classic conservative vs. Liberal debate. Anecdotal b.s. vs actual studies/science.
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Corrik posted...

I have two degrees. My other degree has more to do with raising children than my history degree. But, go ahead with your stupid comment.

i don't give a shit about your other degree, i'm questioning your grasp of history if you're unironically going "back in my day, kids respected their elders!"
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Corrik posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Corrik posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

How old is he?

10. He is at that mouthing off stage. He is generally afraid to do it with me but listening to him and his mother is out of this world.

Sounds like your classic 10 year old kid.

It is sorta except the "go kill yourself" comments or " you are autistic" or "you r*****" or "I hate you and wish you died" etc are way past being okay because my 3 year old is starting to emulate them because he hears it. And this happens over the stupidest shit like eating dinner or getting dressed for school.

She only believes in the taking stuff off of him or not letting him do things or so on route of parenting. And it shows.

Uh, what the hell? So is he autistic?
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Corrik posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Corrik posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

How old is he?

10. He is at that mouthing off stage. He is generally afraid to do it with me but listening to him and his mother is out of this world.

Sounds like your classic 10 year old kid.

It is sorta except the "go kill yourself" comments or " you are autistic" or "you r*****" or "I hate you and wish you died" etc are way past being okay because my 3 year old is starting to emulate them because he hears it. And this happens over the stupidest shit like eating dinner or getting dressed for school.

She only believes in the taking stuff off of him or not letting him do things or so on route of parenting. And it shows.

Uh, what the hell? So is he autistic?

Uh, no? He is calling her autistic because he has obviously learned at school that is a cool insult. I explained to him that his cousin is actually autistic and how insulting it is to her to say such things. Gives no shit. But, I am not allowed to punish him because she doesn't let me. It is her kid, so that's fine. But, her ways are definitely not getting it done.
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Kenri posted...

Corrik posted...

I have two degrees. My other degree has more to do with raising children than my history degree. But, go ahead with your stupid comment.

i don't give a shit about your other degree, i'm questioning your grasp of history if you're unironically going "back in my day, kids respected their elders!"

Thanks for the pointless comment that makes no sense. Anyways.
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Icehawk posted...

My aunt is super conservative and her kid is awful. She definitely spanked him, but she was super inconsistent.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/lifestyles/stevens/ct-spanking-effects-study-balancing-0428-20160428-column.html

The spanking thing is the classic conservative vs. Liberal debate. Anecdotal b.s. vs actual studies/science.

Consistency and going through with what you say are definitely major things.
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Maniac64 posted...

I had one of my coworkers tell me that the reason there are so many school shooters is because people dont spank their kids anymore. And how he would never have shot up a school because his dad would beat him for it.

I think this right here is why Spanking doesn't really work that well. "I wouldn't do this because my dad would have beat me for it!" Shouldn't you never shoot up a school because you know killing people is... wrong?

It teaches this idea that might makes right. If fear of punishment is the only thing making your kid behave, then I have to wonder what's going to happen when that fear is gone.
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Corrik posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Seems like she needs to read some parenting books

Let me just ask you this now. Do you have kids? Or are you just trying to talk about something you have no experience with?

If it is the latter, you really shouldn't. If it is the former, then carry on (though I doubt it with the read a book comment).

Nope, no kids! Just very well-behaved niece and nephew (7 and 4) who love and respect their parents without any corporal punishment.

You say listening to him and his mother is out of this world. Is that meant to imply that she mouths off back at him?
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Also I find it odd that you dont consider taking away privileges as punishment
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Corrik posted...

Kenri posted...

Corrik posted...

I have two degrees. My other degree has more to do with raising children than my history degree. But, go ahead with your stupid comment.

i don't give a shit about your other degree, i'm questioning your grasp of history if you're unironically going "back in my day, kids respected their elders!"

Thanks for the pointless comment that makes no sense. Anyways.

history joke, you wouldn't get it
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Corrik posted...

I explained to him that his cousin is actually autistic and how insulting it is to her to say such things. Gives no s***

It would be interesting to figure out what he does give a shit about. 10 year old nihilist??
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Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik posted...

I explained to him that his cousin is actually autistic and how insulting it is to her to say such things. Gives no s***

It would be interesting to figure out what he does give a shit about. 10 year old nihilist??

*Shrug*
Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Seems like she needs to read some parenting books

Let me just ask you this now. Do you have kids? Or are you just trying to talk about something you have no experience with?

If it is the latter, you really shouldn't. If it is the former, then carry on (though I doubt it with the read a book comment).

Nope, no kids! Just very well-behaved niece and nephew (7 and 4) who love and respect their parents without any corporal punishment.

You say listening to him and his mother is out of this world. Is that meant to imply that she mouths off back at him?

Her responses are always like "wow really you would talk to your mother that way. Wow. I can't believe you act this way. You are losing so and so thing. You are grounded. I can't believe you say these things. Yadda yadda."
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Jakyl25 posted...

Also I find it odd that you dont consider taking away privileges as punishment

I'd rather take a few lumps on the butt than lose video game priveleges, that's for sure.

Fun fact: my grandpa was a drunk. He also never spanked because he thought it was stupid, and he literally said to a guy who spanked his kid on front of him "you're a real tough guy, beating up a five year old. Hit that kid again and see what happens." He was also a war vet who raised six kids as a fruit peddler, and all of his kids respect him without a single use of violence. Hell, most of them worked on the truck.

So yeah, if a drunk "greatest generation" type can figure out how to raise six kids to be functional adults who all had families and jobs, there's no excuse for any modern parent to hit unless you are a bad parent.
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I will admit I have no clue what to do with a kid who is already 10 and hasnt grasped empathy yet
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Jakyl25 posted...

I will admit I have no clue what to do with a kid who is already 10 and hasnt grasped empathy yet

Keep an eye on him and don't give him access to firearms tbh
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There's a difference of punishing bad behavior "because I said so" and punishing bad behavior and helping them understand the reason they are being punished. That's why spanking isn't really a great method of punishment. The only reason they don't do a thing is to stop from being spanked, not because they actually understand why they shouldn't do it in the first place. So if they can get away with it, they'll just do it again.
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TheRock1525 posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Also I find it odd that you dont consider taking away privileges as punishment

I'd rather take a few lumps on the butt than lose video game priveleges, that's for sure.

Fun fact: my grandpa was a drunk. He also never spanked because he thought it was stupid, and he literally said to a guy who spanked his kid on front of him "you're a real tough guy, beating up a five year old. Hit that kid again and see what happens." He was also a war vet who raised six kids as a fruit peddler, and all of his kids respect him without a single use of violence. Hell, most of them worked on the truck.

So yeah, if a drunk "greatest generation" type can figure out how to raise six kids to be functional adults who all had families and jobs, there's no excuse for any modern parent to hit unless you are a bad parent.

Grandpa on which side?

If its your moms father, I wouldnt count her as a credit to his parenting style <_<
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Jakyl25 posted...

It would be interesting to figure out what he does give a shit about.

Right, my parents never spanked me, but they knew what to take away to get me to behave. Whether it was tv or video games or dessert they would pinpoint what would bother meb the most to use.

And consistency was key because they were consistent with their application of punishment. Had they not been i might have pressed them on it more.

But i turned out okay with no violence required.
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Spanking isn't discipline, anyways, it's catharsis for the guardian at the expense of the charge. That's why they defend it so vigorously, and the only reason their offspring defends it is because they want to do it to them. And to do that, they turn to anecdotal evidence and traditionalism where science is saying "No, this isn't right, this is causing long term harm and we've got the proof right here."
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I was hardly ever punished for anything at all, definitely not physically, and I wound up being of outstanding moral character anyway

I was exceptionally responsive to shame, though

So today was my dad's birthday and for some reason silly reason, after I got off the phone with him this morning I happened to check his facebook. I got some real gems, which is not surprising at all, but I'll just share this one...because the cognitive dissonance required for the last line is truly mindboggling.

Blur's Old Man posted...

I loved the spoof of Kathy Griffin on New Years Eve on Fox New Years Eve Special. Kennedy did an excellent job of mocking the disgusting Griffin, to bad that shes Furious over the show! Typical left winger, can dish out hatred but cant take harmless mocking of themselves by ... Oh NO the Evil Fox News channel! Go with God and watch real news, watch Fox News and Fox Business, if you want True News! They dont have to retract news stories or fire news anchors or take disciplinary action against their own journalists!

*heavy sigh*

I love you, Dad.
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Paratroopa1 posted...

I was hardly ever punished for anything at all, definitely not physically, and I wound up being of outstanding moral character anyway

*checks Bible*

Fact Check: False
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Paratroopa1 posted...

I was hardly ever punished for anything at all, definitely not physically, and I wound up being of outstanding moral character anyway

I was exceptionally responsive to shame, though

oh hey, I'm Jewish too
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Jakyl25 posted...

TheRock1525 posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Also I find it odd that you dont consider taking away privileges as punishment

I'd rather take a few lumps on the butt than lose video game priveleges, that's for sure.

Fun fact: my grandpa was a drunk. He also never spanked because he thought it was stupid, and he literally said to a guy who spanked his kid on front of him "you're a real tough guy, beating up a five year old. Hit that kid again and see what happens." He was also a war vet who raised six kids as a fruit peddler, and all of his kids respect him without a single use of violence. Hell, most of them worked on the truck.

So yeah, if a drunk "greatest generation" type can figure out how to raise six kids to be functional adults who all had families and jobs, there's no excuse for any modern parent to hit unless you are a bad parent.

Grandpa on which side?

If its your moms father, I wouldnt count her as a credit to his parenting style <_<

Dad's side.

Mom's side was a farmer. She whined her way out of farm work a lot.
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Oh I did want to say Jakyl that it is very possible that your niece and nephew are very well behaved. Absolutely do not doubt it.

One thing I did want to say though is that you have to always be careful assuming behavior you observe is always their behavior.

https://www.parents.com/toddlers-preschoolers/development/behavioral/split-personality-why-toddlers-behave-with-one-parent/

Some kids will behave around people they do not know. Because they misbehave around those they trust to love them no matter what. Others will be good for one parent and not the other. Others will misbehave around strangers and behave around people they trust.

This is what frustrates my fiancee so much is that the kids behave for me/others and not for her. Though I have my reasons for why I think that is.
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Corrik posted...

Some kids will behave around people they do not know. Because they misbehave around those they trust to love them no matter what. Others will be good for one parent and not the other. Others will misbehave around strangers and behave around people they trust.

Oh this is absolutely true. You couldnt ask for better kids when Im babysitting them, but they definitely test their mom and dad to see what they can get away with. Theres some whining and crankiness to be sure when they dont get their way, but it never goes to name calling. And then once theyve calmed down, theyre very receptive to discussions about how they could earn what they want.
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I was never spanked at all but I still grew up with an irrational fear of disappointing my mom, because she put such high expectations on me.

Definitely the root cause of most of the issues Ive been to therapy for. But were cool now!
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http://money.cnn.com/2018/04/04/investing/us-stocks-markets-china-tariffs/index.html
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So basically, investors decided to not take Trump literally. Which is smart most of the time tbh.
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Icehawk posted...

So basically, investors decided to not take Trump literally. Which is smart most of the time tbh.

Didn't read it all I see! Lol.
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