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Corrik
04/04/18 10:42:35 PM
#151:


This was an interesting read.

Dr Anthony Levatino

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Dr. Anthony Levatino has practiced obstetrics and gynecology since 1980. As a part of his medical training, Dr. Levantio was taught to do abortions...

Dr. Anthony Levatino has practiced obstetrics and gynecology since 1980. As a part of his medical training, Dr. Levatino was taught to do abortions. Dr. Levatino provided abortions for his patients in his office for eight years. In 1985 he quit doing abortions and is now in private practice as an obstetrician gynecologist.

Testimony of Dr. Anthony Levatino

"I have never been involved in a large-scale abortion mill, a business that was set up for the sole purpose of performing abortions.

My experiences are perhaps a bit more universal in terms of obstetricians and gynecologists in the country who were trained to do abortions during their residencies and then continued doing so as part of their private practice, but not even the major part. Certainly it was never a major part of our private practice.

My partner and I, however, were relatively important in the Albany area for one infamous fact, which to this day I regret. Our group was just about the only group that was performing late abortions, D&E procedures, Dilatation and Evacuation. And we received referrals from all over the area in our part of the state, even from neighboring counties 70 to 80 miles away. We had a lot of patients.

I've never actually counted. I'm glad I can't say that I'm responsible for 50,000 plus abortions, but I know I've done hundreds of the procedures. That's direct, hands-on involvement, with the forceps in your hand, reaching into somebody's uterus and tearing out a baby.

Why do doctors do abortions? There are many reasons. It's profitable, there's a lot of money in it! But there's a philosophical things that come first. As I'm fond of telling people, if you are pro-choice and you happen to be a gynecologist, then it's up to you to take the instruments in hand and actively perform an abortion. It's the most natural association in the world.

Along the way you find out you make a lot of money doing abortions. In my practice we were averaging between $250 and $500 for an abortion, and it was cash.

There are other reasons; they're perhaps no less important. I've heard many times from other obstetricians: Well, I'm not really pro-abortion, I'm pro-woman. How many times have you heard that one? The women's groups in this country, they're not alone, but they've done a very good job selling that bill of goods to the population. That somehow destroying a life is pro-woman. But a lot of obstetricians use that justification to themselves, and I can tell you, a lot of them believe it. I used to. It's not hard to be convinced of it.

During my residency, at least once, sometimes twice a week, I would be the resident whose turn it was to sit down and do the four, or five, or six suction D&C abortions that morning. When the abortionist finishes a suction D&C, he has to open a little suction bag and he has to literally reassemble the child. He has to do that because he wants to make sure he didn't leave anything behind.
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Corrik
04/04/18 10:43:48 PM
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I had complications, just like everybody else. I have perforated uteruses. I have had all kinds of problems-bleeding, infection-Lord knows how many of those women are sterile now. I remember getting called down to my chairman's office because a young lady that I had done an abortion on showed up, and the abortion had been incomplete. I had not done my job right, and she passed an arm or a leg and she freaked out because she didn't realize what had happened.

My discomfort came at that point because there was a tremendous conflict going on inside me. Here I was doing my D&Cs, five and six a week, and I was doing salines on a nightly basis whenever I was on call. The resident on call got the job of doing the salines and there would usually be two or three of those. They were horrible because you saw one intact, whole baby being born, and sometimes they were alive. That was very, very frightening. It was a very stomach-turning kind of existence. Yet, I was doing that at the same time that my wife and I were trying to have a child, and we were having difficulty with that.

We had been married a couple of years at that point - and no baby. Suddenly, we realized we had an infertility problem. I kept doing abortions, I didn't stop. But it was tough. We started desperately looking for a baby to adopt, and I was throwing them in the garbage at the rate of nine and ten a week. It even occurred to me then: I wish one of these people would just let me have their child. But it doesn't work that way. So the conflict was there.

Most of the time in our practice was spent providing obstetrical care for people who wanted their children. It is very common for an obstetrician to have an ultrasound machine. We use that ultrasound machine on a daily basis. As a doctor, you know that these are children; you know that these are human beings with arms and legs and heads and they move around and they are very active. But you get reminded - every time you put that scanner down on somebody's uterus - you are reminded. Because you see the children in there - hearts beating, arms flinging. We have a ball with it. It is a lot of fun. We have people coming in who have bleeding and who are afraid they may have a miscarriage-now this is someone who wants to have their child.

There is no better news for me than to put that scanner on them at seven and eight weeks and show them a heartbeat and say: Your baby is okay. You do that as an obstetrician all the time. And then, an hour later, you change your clothes, walk into an operating room and do an abortion. If you have any heart at all, it affects you.

We were lucky. My wife and I were very fortunate because we had gone through all the usual adoption agencies trying to find our child. We ran up against one road block after another, until suddenly I got the bright idea: I know 45 obstetricians on a first-name basis in this town, one of them has to have a baby available for private adoption. So, we advertised. We talked to every obstetrician in town. It still took four months, but one day we got a call, I will never forget that day. Three days later we had adopted a healthy little girl. We were satisfied. We called her Heather.

After graduation I joined a gynecologist in the Albany area. My partner did D&E abortions. In fact, he was the referral centre for D&E abortions in the area. So, I learned to do D&E abortions. Now I had a family of my own, and there was no pressure to adopt a child anymore. As often happens, although the books say it is not supposed to, after we adopted a child, after years of trying, we had a child of our own. So we had a boy and a girl, and we were perfectly happy with that. And I learned the grizzly business of D&E abortion. Again, I didn't particularly like doing abortions, but my partner did abortions and I didn't object to it morally, so we worked together.
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Corrik
04/04/18 10:43:54 PM
#153:


I was on salary at the time, as a new partner, so it made not a bit of difference on my income. I did it to be agreeable. It's a lousy reason in retrospect, but that was my reason. That was our business for years to come.

Life was good until June 23, 1984. On that date, I was on call, but I was at home at the time. We had some friends over, and our children were playing in the back of the yard. At 7:25 that evening, we heard the screech of brakes out in front of the house. We ran outside and Heather was lying in the road. We did everything we could, and she died.

When you lose a child, your child, life is very different. Everything changes. All of a sudden, the idea of a person's life becomes very real. It is not an embryology course anymore. It's not just a couple of hundred dollars. It's the real thing. It's your child you buried. The old discomforts came back in spades. I couldn't even think about a D&E abortion anymore. No way. I tried to carry on business as usual, and I did just the office abortions for the next few months.

My wife has said that she wishes she had videotapes of me during that time. We were under enough strain as it was, but if I knew I had an abortion scheduled in the office the next day, I got very surly. I was hard to be around. I got very, very rough with the staff in our office. Every time I was asked to schedule an abortion, I got very angry. I began feeling that people were doing something to me. That was ridiculous-I was doing it to myself. After a few months of that I started to realise, This is somebody's child. I lost my child, someone who was very precious to us. And now I am taking somebody's child and I am tearing him right out of their womb. I am killing somebody's child.

That is what it took to get me to change. My own sense of self-esteem went down the tubes. I began to feel like a paid assassin. That's exactly what I was. It got to the point where it just wasn't worth it to me anymore. It was costing me too much personally. All the money in the world wouldn't have made a difference. So I quit. I slept a lot better at night after that."
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Peace___Frog
04/04/18 11:01:57 PM
#154:


"Neat"

Also irrelevant
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charmander6000
04/04/18 11:03:49 PM
#155:


Dealing with death is quite hard for doctors and humans in general. There's a reason why many doctors and nurses smoke, drink or do drugs.

Not to mention first responders whom get to deal with people at their worst.
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Corrik
04/04/18 11:11:34 PM
#156:


charmander6000 posted...
Dealing with death is quite hard for doctors and humans in general. There's a reason why many doctors and nurses smoke, drink or do drugs.

Not to mention first responders whom get to deal with people at their worst.

Yeah. I do not know where I stand on abortion myself. I lean pro-life. But, I can"t imagine having to be the one to do it. That has to be so draining.
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Inviso
04/04/18 11:12:53 PM
#157:


Corrik posted...
charmander6000 posted...
Dealing with death is quite hard for doctors and humans in general. There's a reason why many doctors and nurses smoke, drink or do drugs.

Not to mention first responders whom get to deal with people at their worst.

Yeah. I do not know where I stand on abortion myself. I lean pro-life. But, I can"t imagine having to be the one to do it. That has to be so draining.


Phrasing.
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Jakyl25
04/04/18 11:34:55 PM
#158:


Abortions should be safe, legal, and rare
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HaRRicH
04/05/18 12:16:41 AM
#159:


Speaking of abortions:

4/3/2018
PEOPLE - Planned Parenthood CEO Says Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump Offered 'Bribe' to Stop Abortions

Once in the clubhouse, the couples chatted about their families before getting down to business. According to a statement from Planned Parenthood given to Time.com, the purpose of the meeting was to make sure that Ivanka Trump fully understood the important role Planned Parenthood plays in providing health care to millions of people and why it would be a disastrous idea to block people from accessing care at Planned Parenthood.

After Richards explained this, she writes that Kushner told her Planned Parenthood had made a big mistake by becoming political.

The main issue, he explained, was abortion, Richards writes. If Planned Parenthood wanted to keep our federal funding, we would have to stop providing abortions. He described his ideal outcome: a national headline reading Planned Parenthood Discontinues Abortion Services.'

According to Make Trouble, Kushner said that if Richards agreed to the plan then funding could increase, but he urged them to move fast.

If it wasnt crystal clear before, it was now. Jared and Ivanka were there for one reason: to deliver a political win, she writes. In their eyes, if they could stop Planned Parenthood from providing abortions, it would confirm their reputation as savvy dealmakers. It was surreal, essentially being asked to barter away womens rights for more money. It takes a lot to get Kirk mad, but it looked like his head was about to explode.

[...]

At the time, [Ivanka] sounded like she was sympathetic, but I will tell you this White House has been worse for women than any administration Ive seen in my lifetime, Richards told PEOPLE in July 2017 about her meeting with Ivanka Trump. Its been very, very disappointing.

http://people.com/politics/planned-parenthood-ceo-says-jared-kushner-and-ivanka-trump-offered-bribe-to-stop-abortions/

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Corrik
04/05/18 12:30:09 AM
#160:


That is not what a bribe is btw.
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StealThisSheen
04/05/18 12:51:25 AM
#161:


Corrik posted...
That is not what a bribe is btw.


"Do this and we'll give you more money" kiiiinda sounds like a bribe
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ChaosTonyV4
04/05/18 12:57:25 AM
#162:


You could argue its combination of extortion (The implicit do this or were cutting your funding) and bribery (do this and well give you more money).

But of the two, that is definitely a bribe.
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Corrik
04/05/18 12:59:00 AM
#163:


StealThisSheen posted...
Corrik posted...
That is not what a bribe is btw.


"Do this and we'll give you more money" kiiiinda sounds like a bribe

So the Congress commits bribery every day? Give us this concession and we will agree to give you this much funding for this?

It is normal practice. Bribery would be them offering the decision maker a million dollars on the side to change the companies direction. That is bribery.

That is a clickbait label to the article to make it sound malicious and get clicks.
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trdl23
04/05/18 1:07:59 AM
#164:


I'm with Corrik on this one. It isn't bribery as much as it's strongarm negotiations. This happens all the time in the business world, though usually not with people's health and wellbeing on the line... Actually, it happens then, too.
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Ashethan
04/05/18 1:50:19 AM
#165:


Republicans really pine for the good ol' days with back alley abortion clinics don't they?
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GuessMyUserName
04/05/18 1:53:44 AM
#166:


Corrik posted...
So the Congress commits bribery every day?

i mean yeah
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StealThisSheen
04/05/18 2:03:34 AM
#167:


Corrik posted...
So the Congress commits bribery every day?


Quite literally yes

Granted, there's a difference between criminal bribery and bribery, but... Yeah, that's pretty much the definition of bribery.
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ViviffTheMobile
04/05/18 2:16:06 AM
#168:


Theres also a difference in say telling the Parks Service they cant rennovate some offices this year and telling them cut camping from parks for more funding. Kinda whats happening there.
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Kenri
04/05/18 4:24:45 AM
#169:


StealThisSheen posted...
Corrik posted...
So the Congress commits bribery every day?


Quite literally yes

Granted, there's a difference between criminal bribery and bribery

Don't worry, Congress commits both kinds on a daily basis
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Peace___Frog
04/05/18 7:07:59 AM
#170:


Ashethan posted...
Republicans really pine for the good ol' days with back alley abortion clinics don't they?

They truly do
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HaRRicH
04/05/18 10:00:30 AM
#171:


I don't think Kushner/Ivanka were bribing Planned Parenthood in the illegal sense, but in a dishonest sense I'd say they were using money to persuade an organization to stop providing a service after so many of their donors have paid them to support that service. I could see bribery in that ethical definition, but legally I don't know that you can call it worse than strong-arming.

Either way, I kinda doubt Planned Parenthood would stop being a target anytime soon or would get the deals they were promised if they did cut abortion.
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04/05/18 2:35:04 PM
#172:


Dear murica,

Please stop funding anti-abortion groups here in Ireland. The referendum will be ugly enough as is.

Thanks
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Jakyl25
04/05/18 2:49:19 PM
#173:


Trump at a speech in West Virginia just now:

https://twitter.com/alivitali/status/981965404217241601?s=21
Trump said the same person votes "many times" in California. Then, says it's not a conspiracy theory but that "millions and millions of people" vote many times.


The event is supposed to be about tax reform BTW
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The Mana Sword
04/05/18 2:51:23 PM
#174:


https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/981961921716015104

Trump says nobody could pass tax cuts for 40 years until he came up with the idea of calling them tax cuts instead of tax reform. He always writes the Bush tax cuts out of history, plus the big Reagan tax cut of 32 years ago.

lol
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04/05/18 2:53:27 PM
#175:


Jakyl25 posted...
Trump at a speech in West Virginia just now:

https://twitter.com/alivitali/status/981965404217241601?s=21
Trump said the same person votes "many times" in California. Then, says it's not a conspiracy theory but that "millions and millions of people" vote many times.


The event is supposed to be about tax reform BTW

he's also talking about mexicans being rapists again
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Jakyl25
04/05/18 3:01:35 PM
#176:


The Mana Sword posted...
https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/981961921716015104

Trump says nobody could pass tax cuts for 40 years until he came up with the idea of calling them tax cuts instead of tax reform. He always writes the Bush tax cuts out of history, plus the big Reagan tax cut of 32 years ago.

lol


He really primed the pump
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Jakyl25
04/05/18 3:09:22 PM
#177:


https://twitter.com/kellyo/status/981969161604739074?s=21

"You go to the hospital and you come out and you're a drug addict" @realDonaldTrump on opioid crisis


When you combine that with his ideas about using the death penalty on drug dealers, look out doctors!
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04/05/18 3:17:18 PM
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Jakyl25
04/05/18 3:25:32 PM
#179:


https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/981970631406186497?s=21

Professional Idiot Ben Shapiro argues how the left FORCES good conservatives to team up with Nazis just to survive
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The Mana Sword
04/05/18 3:36:29 PM
#180:


what a bizarre way of thinking. anything to deflect the blame, I suppose.
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Kenri
04/05/18 3:39:32 PM
#181:


Some German fuck in the 1930s, probably: I'm not a Nazi, but the Jews have forced me to team up with Nazis just to survive!
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Jakyl25
04/05/18 3:58:19 PM
#182:


https://twitter.com/davidminpdx/status/981664094381015040?s=21

New York City police shot a man to death on a Brooklyn street this afternoon. He appeared to be carrying a "metal object" in his hand. The metal object was a "shower head," police sources said.


TimJab is at it again
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Mr Lasastryke
04/05/18 4:10:24 PM
#183:


Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/981970631406186497?s=21

Professional Idiot Ben Shapiro argues how the left FORCES good conservatives to team up with Nazis just to survive


aside from the content of what he's saying being idiotic, why the fuck would you say all that on twitter if it's taking you 100 tweets? just post it on facebook or whatever.
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Jakyl25
04/05/18 4:11:53 PM
#184:


Eh, people do that all the time

Although he would probably have a more receptive audience on FB
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Mr Lasastryke
04/05/18 4:14:31 PM
#185:


Jakyl25 posted...
Eh, people do that all the time


doesn't mean it's not stupid.
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Jakyl25
04/05/18 4:15:02 PM
#186:


For context BTW, The Atlantic hired a conservative writer. People alerted them that this dude says stuff like women who have abortions should be hanged.

The EiC of The Atlantic confronted him about it and he wouldnt back down from that opinion, so he was fired.

So now all the conservative intelligencia is in an outrage that the left doesnt want diversity of thought.
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Corrik
04/05/18 4:15:48 PM
#187:


Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/davidminpdx/status/981664094381015040?s=21

New York City police shot a man to death on a Brooklyn street this afternoon. He appeared to be carrying a "metal object" in his hand. The metal object was a "shower head," police sources said.


TimJab is at it again

What you just did there is not too far off of what Ulti did with robazoid! It is not the same but it is not far off.
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Jakyl25
04/05/18 4:17:51 PM
#188:


I admitted I am a horrible person!

The difference is that Tim is on the record defending this sort of stuff

EDIT: (Also mine was meant in jest. I dont literally believe this was Tim. Ulti was serious)
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Mr Lasastryke
04/05/18 4:22:20 PM
#189:


Jakyl25 posted...
The difference is that Tim is on the record defending this sort of stuff


yeah, i was gonna say, tim defended this stuff 100% of the time and if he would still post he would absolutely defend this.

perhaps the joke was a bit tasteless but i can't get too offended by it.
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trdl23
04/05/18 4:30:34 PM
#190:


I dont know. Usually Im super critical of police, as you guys well know, but looking at that shower head and given the distance... I can see it. I do wonder what would have happened had he been white, of course.
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Jakyl25
04/05/18 4:36:47 PM
#191:


trdl23 posted...
I do wonder what would have happened had he been white, of course.


http://www.wlky.com/article/louisville-man-arrested-after-firing-gun-at-officers/19649061

Walters pointed an air rifle at officers as they approached the front door of the home. As officers took cover, Walters fired the rifle through the door, causing its glass to shatter.

Walters fled the home and refused officers' commands as they attempted to take him into custody, resisting arrest by pulling away from officers.


Yet somehow he was not shot...
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Corrik
04/05/18 4:40:24 PM
#192:


Jakyl25 posted...
I admitted I am a horrible person!

The difference is that Tim is on the record defending this sort of stuff

EDIT: (Also mine was meant in jest. I dont literally believe this was Tim. Ulti was serious)

*Shrug*
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Corrik
04/05/18 4:42:20 PM
#193:


Jakyl25 posted...
trdl23 posted...
I do wonder what would have happened had he been white, of course.


http://www.wlky.com/article/louisville-man-arrested-after-firing-gun-at-officers/19649061

Walters pointed an air rifle at officers as they approached the front door of the home. As officers took cover, Walters fired the rifle through the door, causing its glass to shatter.

Walters fled the home and refused officers' commands as they attempted to take him into custody, resisting arrest by pulling away from officers.


Yet somehow he was not shot...

Apples and oranges.
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Jakyl25
04/05/18 4:44:44 PM
#194:


Or guns and pipes
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Jakyl25
04/05/18 4:48:04 PM
#195:


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/07/11/white-n-c-man-arrested-after-pulling-gun-on-deputy-who-wrestled-it-away-sheriff-says/

That motorist told Wake County Sheriff's Office Deputy Donnie Farmer that a man had a firearm, and he was pointing it at other drivers on the road. According to the newspaper, when Farmer located the man, he found him armed with a shotgun.

"Next thing you know, he's pointing the gun at him," Harrison told the station.

Farmer got a hand on the shotgun, though, and was able to keep it from firing. But that wasn't the end of the confrontation.

The sheriff told the News & Observer that the man then grabbed a handgun from his pocket.

"As a deputy, you don't ever know what to expect when you're approaching something like that, so your training kicks in," Harrison said, according to a CBS affiliate. "And of course when the gun came up, it was automatic to him to get that gun away from him, and he did exactly what he was supposed to."


Amazing!
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hockeydude15
04/05/18 4:53:43 PM
#196:


Jakyl25 posted...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/07/11/white-n-c-man-arrested-after-pulling-gun-on-deputy-who-wrestled-it-away-sheriff-says/

That motorist told Wake County Sheriff's Office Deputy Donnie Farmer that a man had a firearm, and he was pointing it at other drivers on the road. According to the newspaper, when Farmer located the man, he found him armed with a shotgun.

"Next thing you know, he's pointing the gun at him," Harrison told the station.

Farmer got a hand on the shotgun, though, and was able to keep it from firing. But that wasn't the end of the confrontation.

The sheriff told the News & Observer that the man then grabbed a handgun from his pocket.

"As a deputy, you don't ever know what to expect when you're approaching something like that, so your training kicks in," Harrison said, according to a CBS affiliate. "And of course when the gun came up, it was automatic to him to get that gun away from him, and he did exactly what he was supposed to."


Amazing!

I really can't tell if you are being obtuse because its lol corrik or if you really don't see how different all 3 of these situations are.
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Kenri
04/05/18 4:54:33 PM
#197:


trdl23 posted...
I dont know. Usually Im super critical of police, as you guys well know, but looking at that shower head and given the distance... I can see it. I do wonder what would have happened had he been white, of course.

I dunno, personally I don't think it's defensible even if he actually had an actual gun.
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Jakyl25
04/05/18 4:56:53 PM
#198:


hockeydude15 posted...

I really can't tell if you are being obtuse because its lol corrik or if you really don't see how different all 3 of these situations are.


I dont really see the difference, no.

Person aiming gun (or pipe) at cops, in two cases cops dont shoot, in the other they all roll up and shoot without any warning
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LapisLazuli
04/05/18 5:04:17 PM
#199:


hockeydude15 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/07/11/white-n-c-man-arrested-after-pulling-gun-on-deputy-who-wrestled-it-away-sheriff-says/

That motorist told Wake County Sheriff's Office Deputy Donnie Farmer that a man had a firearm, and he was pointing it at other drivers on the road. According to the newspaper, when Farmer located the man, he found him armed with a shotgun.

"Next thing you know, he's pointing the gun at him," Harrison told the station.

Farmer got a hand on the shotgun, though, and was able to keep it from firing. But that wasn't the end of the confrontation.

The sheriff told the News & Observer that the man then grabbed a handgun from his pocket.

"As a deputy, you don't ever know what to expect when you're approaching something like that, so your training kicks in," Harrison said, according to a CBS affiliate. "And of course when the gun came up, it was automatic to him to get that gun away from him, and he did exactly what he was supposed to."


Amazing!

I really can't tell if you are being obtuse because its lol corrik or if you really don't see how different all 3 of these situations are.


I mean, you're right. In the cases where they didnt shoot they probably should have, and in the case where they did they shouldn't.
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LapisLazuli
04/05/18 5:05:19 PM
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Also, any joke at TimJab's expense is a good one, even if the joke is bad. Common sense.
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