Current Events > Me right now: 'Surely GameFreak will nerf Stealth Rock in Gen 8!'

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*me 2 years ago*

"Surely GameFreak will nerf Stealth Rock in Gen 7!"



*me 5 years ago*

"Surely GameFreak will nerf Stealth Rock in Gen 6!"



*me 7 years ago*

"Surely GameFreak will nerf Stealth Rock in Gen 5!"

It'll happen this time, right? >_>
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it is ok

Stealth Rock and Close Combat made me quit, when's Dunsparce meta
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What's imbalanced about it?
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Anteaterking posted...

What's imbalanced about it?

It basically makes any Pokemon with a x4 weakness to Rock all but useless as soon as they're sent out, since they automatically lose 50% of their HP.
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Anteaterking posted...

What's imbalanced about it?

The fact that you use it once and it permanently does damage to every pokemon upon entry forever unless you piss away a turn using a weak ass rapid spin. And that it reduces pokemon to 50% health if they happen to be double weak to rock (ie: Charizard, Articuno), meaning there is no incentive to put them on a team since a huge chunk of teams run stealth rock.

I wish I could go back in time and slap the shit out of whoever thought of stealth rock in Diamond/Pearl >_>
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*TC in 50 years*

"Surely GameFreak will nerf Stealth Rock in the afterlife!"
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Butterfiles posted...

*TC in 50 years*

"Surely GameFreak will nerf Stealth Rock in the afterlife!"

Maybe heaven will be a world where Stealth Rock was never added.
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imo, it should be a 1 time entry hazard and once the next pokemon takes the damage, it's gone unless you set it up again. I think that would be a great way to nerf it >_>
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JustMonika posted...

Butterfiles posted...

*TC in 50 years*

"Surely GameFreak will nerf Stealth Rock in the afterlife!"

Maybe heaven will be a world where Stealth Rock was never added.

Too many clouds. Now flying types dominate.
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Butterfiles posted...

*TC in 50 years*

"Surely GameFreak will nerf Stealth Rock in the afterlife!"

Surely GameFreak will nerf Stealth Rock in Gen 85!
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competitive pokemon is a sham regardless
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WizardPowers posted...

competitive pokemon is a sham regardless

Remember Talonflame in gen 6? That shit was way too broken lol
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NeonOctopus posted...

Butterfiles posted...

*TC in 50 years*

"Surely GameFreak will nerf Stealth Rock in the afterlife!"

Surely GameFreak will nerf Stealth Rock in Gen 85!

The sad thing is, there probably will be a Gen 85 in the far future.
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Use Rapid Spin or Defog if it's that big a deal to you. There are ways to remove the rocks.
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Pokemon remains unchanged in 2018?

I'll start alerting Canadian news outlets. Who's got west and east coast America? Europeans let's see some hustle out there
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Use Rapid Spin or Defog if it's that big a deal to you. There are ways to remove the rocks.

Yeah, but now I gotta piss away a turn with a weak rapid spin to deal with it, on top of having a pokemon on my team that can learn it and hope he has a decent defensive match up so he can survive a turn. It's barely worth it >_>
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Gamefreak: "Fuck Flying-type Pokemon!"

*Gamefreak adds Stealth Icicle in Gen 8 and allows it to stack alongside Stealth Rock*
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NeonOctopus posted...

WizardPowers posted...

competitive pokemon is a sham regardless

Remember Talonflame in gen 6? That shit was way too broken lol

One of the Pokmon that just so happens to have a 4x Rock weakness.

Which actually just goes to show how good Talonflame was despite Stealth Rock.

I feel like Gamefreak does the bare minimum when it comes to improving their games in any way possible or adding anything to them aside from putting in new Pokmon

Volcarona and Zard X/Y do well even with SR. The mons that get fucked by it the most like Articuno and Moltres are garbage whether SR exists or not

I mean, Stealth Rocks have been good since they've been added to the game. It does limit what you can use but can be worked around.
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Seaman_Prime posted...

I feel like Gamefreak does the bare minimum when it comes to improving their games in any way possible or adding anything to them aside from putting in new Pokmon

When crap like Ultra Sun and Moon exist and sell despite being 90 percent identical to Sun and Moon, I think it's more than just a feeling.
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Seaman_Prime posted...

I feel like Gamefreak does the bare minimum when it comes to improving their games in any way possible or adding anything to them aside from putting in new Pokmon

To be fair, adding the Fairy-type in gen 6 was basically a giant balance patch disguised as a new type. Dragons were getting far too powerful, and Fighting and Dark types didn't have enough weaknesses, so they're now weak to Fairy. Poison and Steel were the worst offensive types in the game, so they're now strong against Fairy. The new resistance to Fairy makes Steel too good defensively, so they lose resistances to Ghost and Dark to compensate. Fire was a really bad defensive typing, so they now resist Fairy attacks. Plus, most of the older Pokemon that gained a secondary Fairy typing were bad/mediocre before, so they all got a buff from it.
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Unknown5uspect posted...

NeonOctopus posted...

WizardPowers posted...

competitive pokemon is a sham regardless

Remember Talonflame in gen 6? That shit was way too broken lol

One of the Pokmon that just so happens to have a 4x Rock weakness.

Which actually just goes to show how good Talonflame was despite Stealth Rock.

The reason it worked is because you sent out talonflame first and then talonflame solos the whole team.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

Unknown5uspect posted...

NeonOctopus posted...

WizardPowers posted...

competitive pokemon is a sham regardless

Remember Talonflame in gen 6? That shit was way too broken lol

One of the Pokmon that just so happens to have a 4x Rock weakness.

Which actually just goes to show how good Talonflame was despite Stealth Rock.

The reason it worked is because you sent out talonflame first and then talonflame solos the whole team.

Except you see it on team preview and start with your Rotom-W and laugh at that idiot.
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Seaman_Prime posted...

I feel like Gamefreak does the bare minimum when it comes to improving their games in any way possible or adding anything to them aside from putting in new Pokmon

Honestly, I feel the same way. They've gotten too complacent, and the closest thing they've had to competition in recent years, Youkai Watch, seems to have waned in popularity.

It's one reason why I'm a bit worried about the Switch game.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

Unknown5uspect posted...

NeonOctopus posted...

WizardPowers posted...

competitive pokemon is a sham regardless

Remember Talonflame in gen 6? That shit was way too broken lol

One of the Pokmon that just so happens to have a 4x Rock weakness.

Which actually just goes to show how good Talonflame was despite Stealth Rock.

The reason it worked is because you sent out talonflame first and then talonflame solos the whole team.

This >_> You just send Talonflame with Brave Bird or Acrobatics and watch him dominate a team until he died
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To be fair, SR did get hit with a nerf due to Defog now removing entry hazards and defog is by far a better remover of entry hazards than Rapid Spin.

Plus 4x weakness doesn't kill you either. Volcarona and Charizard(due to Mega) are still OU and Talonflame was OU in gen 6 because of gale wings.

Though they could use a nerf to how much damage to do similiar to how burn got nerfed to in tick damage due to it's halving attack being strong enough.
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How did Talonflame do it with those stats?
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Kafkaf posted...

How did Talonflame do it with those stats?

HA
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Tyranthraxus posted...

Kafkaf posted...

How did Talonflame do it with those stats?

HA

Stick a Choice Band on it, and beyond certain Pokemon, everything got hit like a truck by a CB BB that is guaranteed to go first. This gen fixed that but still...
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Kafkaf posted...

How did Talonflame do it with those stats?

Gale Wings gave all flying moves +1 priority. Go Adamant max attack and you could put a dent into anything that didn't flat out resist you.

Plus most Talonflame sets ended up running Flying Stab, Roost, WoW, and either SD or Bulk Up. As you could ignore speed to invest into hp making it able to take some hits.
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Tmaster148 posted...

To be fair, SR did get hit with a nerf due to Defog now removing entry hazards and defog is by far a better remover of entry hazards than Rapid Spin

Rapid spin was/is crap.
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

Kafkaf posted...

How did Talonflame do it with those stats?

HA

Stick a Choice Band on it, and beyond certain Pokemon, everything got hit like a truck by a CB BB that is guaranteed to go first. This gen fixed that but still...

Basically you needed a Pokemon with extreme speed and there aren't many. Most popular one is Rayquaza.
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JustMonika posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

To be fair, SR did get hit with a nerf due to Defog now removing entry hazards and defog is by far a better remover of entry hazards than Rapid Spin

Rapid spin was/is crap.

Rapid Spin main problem is just the users. Very few competitively viable people learn it. Although it was decent in gen 2/gen 3 when entry hazards weren't that common and pokemon like fortress and starmie were good. Then gen 6 hit and you could get defog users like Latios/Latias, Mew, and Skarmory and it wasn't blocked by ghost types. Though beware of defiant users.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

Kafkaf posted...

How did Talonflame do it with those stats?

HA

Stick a Choice Band on it, and beyond certain Pokemon, everything got hit like a truck by a CB BB that is guaranteed to go first. This gen fixed that but still...

Basically you needed a Pokemon with extreme speed and there aren't many. Most popular one is Rayquaza.

Dragonite could learn it and it was pretty common on it's DD set. Zygarde is another OU pokemon that could learn, but I don't believe it was really ran that much.
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Tmaster148 posted...

Kafkaf posted...

How did Talonflame do it with those stats?

Gale Wings gave all flying moves +1 priority. Go Adamant max attack and you could put a dent into anything that didn't flat out resist you.

Plus most Talonflame sets ended up running Flying Stab, Roost, WoW, and either SD or Bulk Up. As you could ignore speed to invest into hp making it able to take some hits.

+1 prio Roost made him unnecessarily tanky.

Unknown5uspect posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

Kafkaf posted...

How did Talonflame do it with those stats?

Gale Wings gave all flying moves +1 priority. Go Adamant max attack and you could put a dent into anything that didn't flat out resist you.

Plus most Talonflame sets ended up running Flying Stab, Roost, WoW, and either SD or Bulk Up. As you could ignore speed to invest into hp making it able to take some hits.

+1 prio Roost made him unnecessarily tanky.

Honestly the gale wing nerf was unnessecary hard. All they needed to do was make it not work on status moves. Now it's just pointless to run.
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bump
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GF hasn't cared about singles in a long while. All balancing they do is centered around doubles. Nobody uses SR in doubles because switching isn't as prominent.