Current Events > Conservative commentator threatens sexual assault on teen shooting survivor

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26_Sandman_39 posted...

YOU DIDNT KNOW THIS KID =\= talking about the shooters prior actions

Full quote:

"Since he was in middle school, it was no surprise to anyone who knew him to hear that he was the shooter. Those talking about how we should have not ostracized him? You didnt know this kid, OK? We did."

She's saying people who knew him since middle school weren't surprised to find out he was the shooter. "People who knew him since middle school" would be "aware of his actions prior to the shooting."

I'm not sure why this is so hard for you.
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26_Sandman_39 posted...

ostracize - exclude (someone) from a society or group.
"a group of people who have been ridiculed, ostracized, and persecuted for centuries"

The 1st line is the definition. The 2nd line is the word used in a sentence alongside the word "ridiculed."

Does that really need to be explained?
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Phantom_Nook posted...

why is it that conservatives would rather insult and belittle the survivors than attempt to argue or debate their points?

You can see the same thing happen when it comes to shootings involving the police. I dunno what it is about incidents involving gun violence but the go-to conservative response is generally to desperately find an opportunity to smear the character of whoever they're upset about
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26_Sandman_39 posted...

So even if that were true, they decided to bully a kid they knew was on the brink of possibly shooting up their school? Thats some awful and short-sighted wickedness.

You're assuming they "decided to bully him" based on your own terrible understanding of words. Emma Gonzalez only mentioned that he was ostracized because of how he acted prior to the shooting. She did not "admit to bullying him" or "reinforce bullying culture."
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Gonna say the guy who killed 17 people is not in fact the victim of this story, nor comparable to the Jews under Nazi Germany
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26_Sandman_39 posted...

TIL the Nazis didnt bully the jews, because the jews were only historically known to be ostracized

That's a dumb ass statement and is not what my post implies at all.
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Conflict posted...

Amplifiers posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Literally not a threat of sexual assault.

What kind of assault would being sodomized with a hot poker be then?

I just love how @darkjedilink booked ass out of the topic after this question. Guy is an embarrassment

Way to miss post 88.
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26_Sandman_39 posted...

Ostracizing is the same as bullying.

No it isn't. Again, the shooter was known to be violent towards others, and was known to post violent, racist, and homophobic things online. Ostracizing someone who does those things is not bullying.
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26_Sandman_39 posted...

You keep using that word but I dont think you can prove to me that he was prior to the shooting where her bullying happened and makes her opinion on the definition of psycho absolutely worthless?

You can't prove to anyone that she bullied him, but you keep acting as if your own misunderstanding is gospel.
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26_Sandman_39 posted...

Very recently. Good people turn into monsters when put to the edge. Since she admitted to apparently knowing this kid and bullying him, Im inclined to believe this started at a young age and tore him into the remnants of a human being that is left today:

Again, she didn't admit to bullying him. You're having a hard time understanding this.
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26_Sandman_39 posted...

I literally have linked to the video where she admits to bullying him.

Nope, you linked to a video where she talks about how the shooter was ostracized because of the way he acted. She never admitted to bullying him.
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26_Sandman_39 posted...

But she admitted to?

She didn't admit to bullying him. Bullying and ostracizing are not the same thing.
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26_Sandman_39 posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

CableZL posted...

Being violent toward your peers and posting violent, racist, and homophobic things online tends to cause you to be judged as a psycho.

But for some reason, it's everyone else's fault that he did those things according to some.

A_Good_Boy posted...

He went on a shooting spree. Was their assessment of his character incorrect?

The point isn't whether or not they were right. It's whether or not they did anything to make him feel any better. Obviously they under no obligation to, and students should never have to feel unsafe at school. But the idea that everyone individually can't make a difference in people's lives is wrong.

There's nothing wrong with stepping forward and saying that while the shooter is 100% accountable and responsible for his actions, that there is always something we could have done to deter somebody's behavior from reaching that point. It's called learning and growing.

ding ding ding

This is such an odd exchange where in this same topic you're cheering on a commentator for wishing that a shooting survivor were sodomised with a hot poker. Why don't you guys go ahead and live this axiom that you're preaching before you start foisting it on shooting survivors?
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26_Sandman_39 posted...

Ostracizing is the same as bullying.

No it isn't. Ostracizing is simply excluding someone from a group. The shooter's violent actions and violent, racist, and homophobic messages caused others to ostracize him.
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Republicans are personally attacking & making threats to school massacre survivors and the U.S. President is a reality tv star being sued by anal pornstars. We are in a loony alternate dimension.
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26_Sandman_39 posted...

Conflict posted...

lol @ "Ostracizing is the same as bullying"

So, by not wanting to hang out with someone (because you're obligated to be friends with just about everyone), you're "bullying" them and indirectly responsible for them causing a mass shooting

Ostracizing is not the same as choosing not hang out. Ostracizing is a collective effort to shun somebody and to further that effort through negative reinforcement between classmates and the ostracized themselves.

We have no evidence of what the kid was like prior to the last year. Like I said, good people turn into monsters, especially when they are bullied for most of their livez.

The people closest to him did know him. Who's going to put up with a homophobic, racist, violent psychopath for no reason?
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26_Sandman_39 posted...

Ostracizing is not the same as choosing to not hang out. Ostracizing is a collective effort to shun somebody and to further that effort through negative reinforcement between classmates and the ostracized themselves.

We have no evidence of what the kid was like prior to the last year. Like I said, good people turn into monsters, especially when they are bullied for most of their lives.

Actually, choosing not to hang out with someone is a form of ostracizing. And it makes sense that a large number of people would choose not to hang out with someone who is known to be homophobic, racist, and violent.

WE have no evidence of what the kid was like. THEY do, and are much more credible to speak on what he was like than you are. Especially since you don't know what "ostracize" means.
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26_Sandman_39 posted...

Ostracizing is a collective effort to shun somebody and to further that effort through negative reinforcement between classmates and the ostracized themselves.

That might be some weirdly specific definition that you're using but you can also use the term to describe a natural process by which people disassociate themselves from an individual. That individual is then ostracized even though no individual in the group is ostracizing him.
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26_Sandman_39 posted...

CableZL posted...

26_Sandman_39 posted...

I literally have linked to the video where she admits to bullying him.

Nope, you linked to a video where she talks about how she was ostracized because of the way he acted. She never admitted to bullying him.

Ostracizing is the same as bullying.

I mean yeah, technically youre right. She didnt admit to bullying him. And for the guy that says This apple is the color of grass, technically he didnt admit that the apple was green either.

I'm not quite sure what you want as an alternative. Do these students have an obligation to continually expose themselves to someone who is violently abusive toward them? If someone was a dick to me, I wouldn't talk to them.

In all honesty, descriptions of the shioter's behaviour would fit bullying more, and ostracism was a reaction to avoid further bullying.
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iPhone_7 posted...

Republicans are personally attacking & making threats to school massacre survivors and the U.S. President is a reality tv star being sued by anal pornstars. We are in a loony alternate dimension.

1. People have every right to criticize people threatening our constitution.
2. Pretty sure that wasn't a serious threat. No need to exaggerate
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

Doom_Art posted...

I just don't get why they continue to obsess over him. Just fucking ignore him lol

No one would care about him, Hillary, or any other drain on the left's credibility if they stopped saying stupid things and went away.

You say stupid things daily and never go away.
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26_Sandman_39 posted...

It pretty much has all the requirements for bullying. Kids go behind closed doors and talk s*** about him. Kids go out of their way to peer pressure other kids into not interacting with him. And with the culture of this being reinforced, it really isnt hard to believe there were some kids bullying him directly from this as well.

It doesn't have "all the requirements for bullying." Ostracizing is simply excluding someone from a group or a society. The kid's actions, according to the people who knew him, would likely cause people to not want to associate with him, thus ostracizing him.
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26_Sandman_39 posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

Conflict posted...

lol @ "Ostracizing is the same as bullying"

So, by not wanting to hang out with someone (because you're obligated to be friends with just about everyone), you're "bullying" them and indirectly responsible for them causing a mass shooting

I'm always impressed by people who just type the stupidest shit imaginable without any thought

Ostracizing isn't the same as bullying. I agree with that. But it's every bit as traumatic and painful.

It pretty much has all the requirements for bullying. Kids go behind closed doors and talk shit about him. Kids go out of their way to peer pressure other kids into not interacting with him. And with the culture of this being reinforced, it really isnt hard to believe there were some kids bullying him directly from this as well.

Literally reaching as hard as you can to make a point. What a joke.
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26_Sandman_39 posted...

Except we have no evidence of him being this type of person prior to very recently and all the historical

Right, WE have no evidence of him being this type of person.

THEY do, as they have known him for years.

Just like YOU have no evidence that Emma Gonzalez is a bully, but you have no problem repeating that based on a seemingly willful misunderstanding of what certain words mean.
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