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Nomadic View
04/12/18 8:46:34 AM
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On social media.

https://archive.is/Gu04G

(I know illegalize isnt a word, but I had to get creative to get the gist of the topic in the title)
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Kid_Buu
04/12/18 9:04:14 AM
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yikes

lies are free speech
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frozenshock
04/12/18 9:06:21 AM
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"I'm going to bed everyone!"

*decides to play BOTW for an hour before actually sleeping*

*Cops break down the door for spreading misinformation*

"Get down on the floor!!!!"

One week later, in the media:

"Police mistake Wii U controller for a gun..."
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JE19426
04/12/18 9:06:27 AM
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What specificely is the problem with the law?
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Genocet69
04/12/18 9:06:41 AM
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Good.
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JordanPeterson
04/12/18 9:07:06 AM
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Nomadic View
04/12/18 9:07:37 AM
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JE19426 posted...
What specificely is the problem with the law?


https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/first_amendment
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JordanPeterson
04/12/18 9:08:17 AM
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JE19426 posted...
What specificely is the problem with the law?


What if Trump is the one who gets to enforce it? Would you like it then?
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JE19426
04/12/18 9:08:38 AM
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Nomadic View posted...
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/first_amendment


I'd say that's a nice dodge but I'd be lying.

JordanPeterson posted...
What if Trump is the one who gets to enforce it? Would you like it then?


I wouldn't care.
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Genocet69
04/12/18 9:08:53 AM
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Nomadic View posted...
JE19426 posted...
What specificely is the problem with the law?


https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/first_amendment

Wahhhh, now Russian bots will have a harder time shilling for my side!!! NOOOOOOOO
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Rexdragon125
04/12/18 9:08:58 AM
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Outlawing news that isn't government approved; nope, not literally 1984 at all
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Kineth
04/12/18 9:09:08 AM
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Look at these people defending fucking propaganda.
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DevsBro
04/12/18 9:09:39 AM
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Hm.

This is obviously the wrong solution to the problem but I guess it's good that somebody realizes how much of an issue unregulated information control is.
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Kid_Buu
04/12/18 9:09:55 AM
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Kineth posted...
Look at these people defending fucking propaganda.

you should get to say whatever you want

maybe consider moving to North Korea if you don't like that
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Genocet69
04/12/18 9:10:11 AM
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Sucks how Republicans won't be able to make up fake stories like pizzagate anymore to hurt Democrats huh? Damn crying shame.
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The Admiral
04/12/18 9:10:12 AM
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Remember that topic from 3 days ago about how it was the right trying to censor free speech?

Yeah.
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Kineth
04/12/18 9:10:19 AM
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Rexdragon125 posted...
Outlawing news that isn't government approved; nope, not literally 1984 at all


Where were you when the police state was getting validated?
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Kineth
04/12/18 9:11:04 AM
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Kid_Buu posted...
Kineth posted...
Look at these people defending fucking propaganda.

you should get to say whatever you want

maybe consider moving to North Korea if you don't like that


You can say whatever you want, but there's a reason that tabloids have to be labeled as such.

And guess what. Libel and slander are laws. You guys need to hold your fucking horses.
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CircleOfManias
04/12/18 9:11:24 AM
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Kid_Buu posted...
Kineth posted...
Look at these people defending fucking propaganda.

you should get to say whatever you want

maybe consider moving to North Korea if you don't like that


As an individual, you can. If you call yourself "news", you need to be held to a higher standard.
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Kid_Buu
04/12/18 9:11:54 AM
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CircleOfManias posted...
Kid_Buu posted...
Kineth posted...
Look at these people defending fucking propaganda.

you should get to say whatever you want

maybe consider moving to North Korea if you don't like that


As an individual, you can. If you call yourself "news", you need to be held to a higher standard.

no. because no one can be trusted to enforce that higher standard.
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CircleOfManias
04/12/18 9:12:53 AM
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Kid_Buu posted...
CircleOfManias posted...
Kid_Buu posted...
Kineth posted...
Look at these people defending fucking propaganda.

you should get to say whatever you want

maybe consider moving to North Korea if you don't like that


As an individual, you can. If you call yourself "news", you need to be held to a higher standard.

no. because no one can be trusted to enforce that higher standard.


It's part of the fucking civil code so people have grounds to sue. It's not a criminal law enforced by a centralized body.
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Genocet69
04/12/18 9:14:05 AM
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Kaname MADoka proving how little she knows once again
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Kineth
04/12/18 9:14:47 AM
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Genocet69 posted...
Kaname MADoka proving how little she knows once again


Yeah, this isn't a good look at all for them.
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HypnoCoosh
04/12/18 9:14:57 AM
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California lol
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WrkHrdPlayHrdr
04/12/18 9:15:16 AM
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SECTION 1. Title 14.5 (commencing with Section 3085) is added to Part 4 of Division 3 of the Civil Code, to read:
TITLE 14.5. False Information Strategic Plans
3085. (a) Any person who operates a social media Internet Web site with physical presence in California shall develop a strategic plan to verify news stories shared on its Internet Web site.
(b) The strategic plan shall include, but is not limited to, all of the following:
(1) A plan to mitigate the spread of false information through news stories.
(2) The utilization of fact-checkers to verify news stories.
(3) Providing outreach to social media users regarding news stories containing false information.
(4) Placing a warning on a news story containing false information.
(c) As used in this section, social media means an electronic service or account, or electronic content, including, but not limited to, videos, still photographs, blogs, video blogs, podcasts, instant and text messages, email, online services or accounts, or Internet Web site profiles or locations.


So if I am reading this right, person A says "Hey, the sky is pink" to a friend in a Facebook messenger text. It is the job of Facebook to monitor all the messages sent through messenger and have someone contact person A and say "Actually, it's blue." (Section C and also item 3)

This is ridiculous. I'm against fake news stories as much as the next guy and I believe they come more from the right than the left, but this is terrible.

How about we not be afraid to publicly call out people when they spread bullshit stories? Tell Susie on her profile that she is a dumb fuck.People don't do it.
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voldothegr8
04/12/18 9:15:55 AM
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Why do liberals hate the Bill of Rights?
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04/12/18 9:15:58 AM
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JordanPeterson
04/12/18 9:16:18 AM
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A_Good_Boy
04/12/18 9:16:49 AM
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I'm not exactly seeing what the issue here is. News sources have to be factual and can't spread misinformation? What's the issue with that?
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JE19426
04/12/18 9:16:55 AM
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WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...
So if I am reading this right, person A says "Hey, the sky is pink" to a friend in a Facebook messenger text. It is the job of Facebook to monitor all the messages sent through messenger and have someone contact person A and say "Actually, it's blue." (Section C and also item 3)


Only if you class a Facebook messenge text a news story.
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halomonkey1_3_5
04/12/18 9:17:25 AM
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yall should be hitting this bill for the burden it will place on social media companies, not the "muh free speech" angle tbh
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A_Good_Boy
04/12/18 9:17:48 AM
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WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...
So if I am reading this right, person A says "Hey, the sky is pink" to a friend in a Facebook messenger text. It is the job of Facebook to monitor all the messages sent through messenger and have someone contact person A and say "Actually, it's blue." (Section C and also item 3)

You actually didn't read that correctly at all.
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thronedfire2
04/12/18 9:19:36 AM
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WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...
SECTION 1. Title 14.5 (commencing with Section 3085) is added to Part 4 of Division 3 of the Civil Code, to read:
TITLE 14.5. False Information Strategic Plans
3085. (a) Any person who operates a social media Internet Web site with physical presence in California shall develop a strategic plan to verify news stories shared on its Internet Web site.
(b) The strategic plan shall include, but is not limited to, all of the following:
(1) A plan to mitigate the spread of false information through news stories.
(2) The utilization of fact-checkers to verify news stories.
(3) Providing outreach to social media users regarding news stories containing false information.
(4) Placing a warning on a news story containing false information.
(c) As used in this section, social media means an electronic service or account, or electronic content, including, but not limited to, videos, still photographs, blogs, video blogs, podcasts, instant and text messages, email, online services or accounts, or Internet Web site profiles or locations.


So if I am reading this right, person A says "Hey, the sky is pink" to a friend in a Facebook messenger text. It is the job of Facebook to monitor all the messages sent through messenger and have someone contact person A and say "Actually, it's blue." (Section C and also item 3)

This is ridiculous. I'm against fake news stories as much as the next guy and I believe they come more from the right than the left, but this is terrible.

How about we not be afraid to publicly call out people when they spread bullshit stories? Tell Susie on her profile that she is a dumb fuck.People don't do it.


how is person A saying something in facebook messenger a news story?
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WrkHrdPlayHrdr
04/12/18 9:24:26 AM
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thronedfire2 posted...
WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...
SECTION 1. Title 14.5 (commencing with Section 3085) is added to Part 4 of Division 3 of the Civil Code, to read:
TITLE 14.5. False Information Strategic Plans
3085. (a) Any person who operates a social media Internet Web site with physical presence in California shall develop a strategic plan to verify news stories shared on its Internet Web site.
(b) The strategic plan shall include, but is not limited to, all of the following:
(1) A plan to mitigate the spread of false information through news stories.
(2) The utilization of fact-checkers to verify news stories.
(3) Providing outreach to social media users regarding news stories containing false information.
(4) Placing a warning on a news story containing false information.
(c) As used in this section, social media means an electronic service or account, or electronic content, including, but not limited to, videos, still photographs, blogs, video blogs, podcasts, instant and text messages, email, online services or accounts, or Internet Web site profiles or locations.


So if I am reading this right, person A says "Hey, the sky is pink" to a friend in a Facebook messenger text. It is the job of Facebook to monitor all the messages sent through messenger and have someone contact person A and say "Actually, it's blue." (Section C and also item 3)

This is ridiculous. I'm against fake news stories as much as the next guy and I believe they come more from the right than the left, but this is terrible.

How about we not be afraid to publicly call out people when they spread bullshit stories? Tell Susie on her profile that she is a dumb fuck.People don't do it.


how is person A saying something in facebook messenger a news story?


Okay. I did get a little carried away in my example, but who defines what a "news story" is? I make a tumblr and post it, is that a news story? I make a tweet and it's shared... is twitter news? Fox? CNN? Are opinion shows (Sunday morning shows, round table shows) news?
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Kid_Buu
04/12/18 9:25:14 AM
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Kineth posted...
Genocet69 posted...
Kaname MADoka proving how little she knows once again


Yeah, this isn't a good look at all for them.

how so
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A_Good_Boy
04/12/18 9:25:36 AM
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WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...
Okay. I did get a little carried away in my example, but who defines what a "news story" is? I make a tumblr and post it, is that a news story? I make a tweet and it's shared... is twitter news? Fox? CNN? Are opinion shows (Sunday morning shows, round table shows) news?

Bro just stop.
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DevsBro
04/12/18 9:27:54 AM
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shockthemonkey posted...
Did any of you guys actually read the law?

There aren't enough hours left before the sun dies for us to read anything legal.
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Kineth
04/12/18 9:27:59 AM
#42:


Kid_Buu posted...
Kineth posted...
Genocet69 posted...
Kaname MADoka proving how little she knows once again


Yeah, this isn't a good look at all for them.

how so


You were speaking on something that you didn't read AND completely ignored pre-existing propaganda laws and libel and slander laws as well.
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WrkHrdPlayHrdr
04/12/18 9:33:23 AM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...
Okay. I did get a little carried away in my example, but who defines what a "news story" is? I make a tumblr and post it, is that a news story? I make a tweet and it's shared... is twitter news? Fox? CNN? Are opinion shows (Sunday morning shows, round table shows) news?

Bro just stop.


This shit needs figured out.

I post an article from the KKKTimes that says all black people (something super racist and obviously not true) and it starts getting shared. By people who are disgusted and by people who support whatever I said.
Fake news? Yeah, for sure.

I post an article from RealFarmacy (they guys that are always saying 2 drops of lemon juice cures cancer and other bullshit like that) that says Marijuana helps with and cures cancer! Fake news?

I post an opinion piece from The Wall Street Journal or some other well known news paper that says (making up numbers) that The US spends 1 trillion dollars a year, but in fact we spend 1.1 trillion dollars a year. Does this require a notice by the social media platform that's being used?

I get that it's not a criminal code but it's SUPER vague.
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Kid_Buu
04/12/18 9:35:28 AM
#44:


Kineth posted...
Kid_Buu posted...
Kineth posted...
Genocet69 posted...
Kaname MADoka proving how little she knows once again


Yeah, this isn't a good look at all for them.

how so


You were speaking on something that you didn't read AND completely ignored pre-existing propaganda laws and libel and slander laws as well.

Ok
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SageHarpuia
04/12/18 9:36:40 AM
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This is the beginning of the end
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The Admiral
04/12/18 9:41:40 AM
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The problem with these sites having to use "fact checkers" as b2 requires is that we've already seen how biased they can be when assigning ratings. A misstatement from someone on the left? "Well, we understand the point he was making, so mostly true" Using the higher number from two research sources to make a point from the right? "Pants on fire."

rhSfMY3
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WrkHrdPlayHrdr
04/12/18 9:42:52 AM
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shockthemonkey posted...
Facebook is already ahead of this law just by having an information button on every shared article so you can see what the source is and see more from it.

If an article is labeled opinion like WSJ then thats obviously an opinion piece and not a news article.

There are already laws in place about representing yourself as news if youre posting false information. And that has still allowed sites like Breitbart and NaturalNews (or whatever) to operate. The standard isnt brutal - it errs on the side of caution and in favor of the press. This is about combining that with false advertising laws on social media.


I get what you're saying. And I would be happy if Breitbart went away forever because it's a joke. I just feel like this whole bill needs explained/fleshed out more.
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thronedfire2
04/12/18 9:59:21 AM
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The Admiral posted...
The problem with these sites having to use "fact checkers" as b2 requires is that we've already seen how biased they can be when assigning ratings. A misstatement from someone on the left? "Well, we understand the point he was making, so mostly true" Using the higher number from two research sources to make a point from the right? "Pants on fire."

rhSfMY3


Yes and I'm sure this graphic was made by someone with no bias whatsoever
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