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ThePredominate
04/13/18 11:23:16 AM
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Even if the message isn't trying to be. White privilege is a term used exclusively for white society. It actually refers to the disadvantage of those who are not white, who experience very specific ways in which they are disadvantaged.

The term should be "minority disadvantage", but has been pushed on us with blaming or guilting white people. It upsets white people because the language is accusatory and inflammatory.

There is also a double standard. White society is seen as needing to be a "bigger person" than other countries, and is expected to accommodate all races.

For example, nobody would make an issue of "Indian privilege", where in India, a minority white person found it more difficult to navigate the systems of that society compared to someone with Indian ethnicity.
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Mufflnz0rz
04/13/18 11:24:22 AM
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glitteringfairy
04/13/18 11:24:42 AM
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Mufflnz0rz posted...
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Dyinglegacy
04/13/18 11:25:59 AM
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I swear, racism is an amorphous term.
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Vulgorn
04/13/18 11:26:50 AM
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low quality bait

no need to actually acknowledge
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_BlueMonk
04/13/18 11:27:42 AM
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welcome to the ignore list!
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eston
04/13/18 11:28:21 AM
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White privilege is not understanding what white privilege means
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Kazi1212
04/13/18 11:29:22 AM
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Youre right TC, but terms like white privilege or whiteness are terms created by a culture of venom and backlash against white people. But of course they dont see t, they are blinded by their hate
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Caution999
04/13/18 11:30:09 AM
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Completely agree.
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COVxy
04/13/18 11:32:28 AM
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Regardless of issues with framing, the only people who seem to get so upset about it are people who are too insecure to admit they've had a relatively privileged life.
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tremain07
04/13/18 11:34:08 AM
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White people are suffering worse racism now than any minority or non straight sexual orientation groups ever has in America yet the media remains silent then are shocked that white supremacist groups are regaining power. When the rest of the country looks at you as an enemy white supremacist groups start to look more and more welcoming if only for the protection and since of belonging they offer you, which is especially why they're so successful in recruiting on collage campus where being white is almost like being a prisoner in for murder.

The fact that the government rolled back investigations into these groups is also worrying.
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Ulyanyx
04/13/18 11:35:25 AM
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COVxy posted...
Regardless of issues with framing, the only people who seem to get so upset about it are people who are too insecure to admit they've had a relatively privileged life.


or maybe people get upset about it because they have done their best to not be racist/sexist etc and they still get lumped in with others... almost like this term is a blanket way of framing an entire race as bad.

but gee, what does using a blanket statement to alter perception of an entire race mean? I am almost 100% sure there's a word for this that has existed for a long time now...
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COVxy
04/13/18 11:38:18 AM
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Ulyanyx posted...
or maybe people get upset about it because they have done their best to not be racist/sexist etc and they still get lumped in with others... almost like this term is a blanket way of framing an entire race as bad.


It seems like you misunderstand the term.
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ThePredominate
04/13/18 11:41:41 AM
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COVxy posted...
Regardless of issues with framing, the only people who seem to get so upset about it are people who are too insecure to admit they've had a relatively privileged life.


Nothing about my life has been privileged, let me tell you. I grew up in a poor neighbourhood, where there were many Pakistanis, and we were all disadvantaged together. But no, I'm white, so I'm privileged, apparently.

I read the original paper on white privilege. The examples of minority disadvantage were highly specific and downright untrue in some cases. Things like minorities were more likely to be housed in poorer areas. Well where I grew up we were all poor together, black or white.
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Medz1286
04/13/18 11:42:22 AM
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Vulgorn
04/13/18 11:45:08 AM
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to follow up on my post about this being low quality bait, if you look at tc's username along with the obviousness coming from their posts, it's clearly a troll account.
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ThePredominate
04/13/18 11:50:05 AM
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Vulgorn posted...
to follow up on my post about this being low quality bait, if you look at tc's username along with the obviousness coming from their posts, it's clearly a troll account.


I only have one account, I've been posting for years. How is it bait?

You just don't have the capacity to respond to this topic in any other way I suppose. You have no argument.
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Vulgorn
04/13/18 11:54:56 AM
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why would i argue with low quality bait
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Kazi1212
04/13/18 11:55:47 AM
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Vulgorn posted...
why would i argue with low quality bait


Then why even bother posting at all to supposed bait?
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nicklebro
04/13/18 11:56:21 AM
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ThePredominate posted...

The term should be "minority disadvantage",

Been saying this a long time.
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Vulgorn
04/13/18 11:57:04 AM
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Kazi1212 posted...
Then why even bother posting at all to supposed bait?

to notify the fencesitters that it's low quality bait and not to be taken seriously
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Kazi1212
04/13/18 11:57:55 AM
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Vulgorn posted...
Kazi1212 posted...
Then why even bother posting at all to supposed bait?

to notify the fencesitters that it's low quality bait and not to be taken seriously


Are you also the designated driver for parties?
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nicklebro
04/13/18 11:58:05 AM
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tremain07 posted...
White people are suffering worse racism now than any minority or non straight sexual orientation groups ever has in America

LMAO, now this is low quality bait.
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Vulgorn
04/13/18 11:58:38 AM
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Kazi1212 posted...
Are you also the designated driver for parties?

nah, but you and tc probably are
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The Great Muta 22
04/13/18 11:58:51 AM
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ThePredominate posted...
Well where I grew up we were all poor together, black or white.


And as we all know, anecdotal evidence is the best kind of evidence!

....Right?
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The Great Muta 22
04/13/18 12:00:00 PM
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tremain07 posted...
White people are suffering worse racism now than any minority or non straight sexual orientation groups ever has in America yet the media remains silent then are shocked that white supremacist groups are regaining power. When the rest of the country looks at you as an enemy white supremacist groups start to look more and more welcoming if only for the protection and since of belonging they offer you, which is especially why they're so successful in recruiting on collage campus where being white is almost like being a prisoner in for murder.


Well this is completely wrong.
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nicklebro
04/13/18 12:03:21 PM
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The Great Muta 22 posted...
ThePredominate posted...
Well where I grew up we were all poor together, black or white.


And as we all know, anecdotal evidence is the best kind of evidence!

....Right?

I think he was just describing his own life and how he didnt grow up privileged despite being white, so that disproves anyone arguing that all white people grew up privileged. I don't think your argument applies in this circumstance.
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Kazi1212
04/13/18 12:03:28 PM
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The Great Muta 22 posted...
ThePredominate posted...
Well where I grew up we were all poor together, black or white.


And as we all know, anecdotal evidence is the best kind of evidence!

....Right?


Anectodal evidence is used to disprove broad and absolute claims and concepts, similar to science. If theres one scenario in opposition to what a claim entails is true of all objects in a set, then that claim is obviously false or there wouldnt be counter examples
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COVxy
04/13/18 12:05:37 PM
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Kazi1212 posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
ThePredominate posted...
Well where I grew up we were all poor together, black or white.


And as we all know, anecdotal evidence is the best kind of evidence!

....Right?


Anectodal evidence is used to disprove broad and absolute claims and concepts, similar to science. If theres one scenario in opposition to what a claim entails is true of all objects in a set, then that claim is obviously false or there wouldnt be counter examples


Lol.
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thelovefist
04/13/18 12:07:09 PM
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tremain07 posted...
White people are suffering worse racism now than any minority or non straight sexual orientation groups ever has in America.


Not sure if trolling or monumental ignorance.
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Blue_Inigo
04/13/18 12:07:27 PM
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eston posted...
White privilege is not understanding what white privilege means

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ThePredominate
04/13/18 12:07:33 PM
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The Great Muta 22 posted...
ThePredominate posted...
Well where I grew up we were all poor together, black or white.


And as we all know, anecdotal evidence is the best kind of evidence!

....Right?


So you don't believe me? I guess it's too hard to believe that I didn't grow up with a poolhouse and two acre garden?

Where I live there are "council estates", these are essentially ghettos full of poor people. Poor white people and poor black people. There is no advantage to being white.
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nicklebro
04/13/18 12:08:00 PM
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Kazi1212 posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
ThePredominate posted...
Well where I grew up we were all poor together, black or white.


And as we all know, anecdotal evidence is the best kind of evidence!

....Right?


Anectodal evidence is used to disprove broad and absolute claims and concepts, similar to science. If theres one scenario in opposition to what a claim entails is true of all objects in a set, then that claim is obviously false or there wouldnt be counter examples

Exactly.
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Kazi1212
04/13/18 12:08:09 PM
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COVxy posted...
Kazi1212 posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
ThePredominate posted...
Well where I grew up we were all poor together, black or white.


And as we all know, anecdotal evidence is the best kind of evidence!

....Right?


Anectodal evidence is used to disprove broad and absolute claims and concepts, similar to science. If theres one scenario in opposition to what a claim entails is true of all objects in a set, then that claim is obviously false or there wouldnt be counter examples


Lol.


Fight me
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nicklebro
04/13/18 12:10:06 PM
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Kazi1212 posted...
COVxy posted...
Kazi1212 posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
ThePredominate posted...
Well where I grew up we were all poor together, black or white.


And as we all know, anecdotal evidence is the best kind of evidence!

....Right?


Anectodal evidence is used to disprove broad and absolute claims and concepts, similar to science. If theres one scenario in opposition to what a claim entails is true of all objects in a set, then that claim is obviously false or there wouldnt be counter examples


Lol.


Fight me

Fighting him is like fighting the Black Knight in Monty Python, you can cut his arms and legs off and he'll still argue he's winning.
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The Great Muta 22
04/13/18 12:12:29 PM
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Kazi1212 posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
ThePredominate posted...
Well where I grew up we were all poor together, black or white.


And as we all know, anecdotal evidence is the best kind of evidence!

....Right?


Anectodal evidence is used to disprove broad and absolute claims and concepts, similar to science. If theres one scenario in opposition to what a claim entails is true of all objects in a set, then that claim is obviously false or there wouldnt be counter examples


Nah, that's not how it works
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eggcorn
04/13/18 12:12:50 PM
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Vulgorn posted...


First to cry bait
Posts five times
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KillerKhan420
04/13/18 12:15:18 PM
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It's almost as if the majority of the country is white are something. I wonder if a white man went to a predominantly Asian or African or middle eastern country if he'd be transferring his privilege with him.
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Kazi1212
04/13/18 12:16:17 PM
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The Great Muta 22 posted...
Kazi1212 posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
ThePredominate posted...
Well where I grew up we were all poor together, black or white.


And as we all know, anecdotal evidence is the best kind of evidence!

....Right?


Anectodal evidence is used to disprove broad and absolute claims and concepts, similar to science. If theres one scenario in opposition to what a claim entails is true of all objects in a set, then that claim is obviously false or there wouldnt be counter examples


Nah, that's not how it works


Is white privilege non-falsifiable?
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nicklebro
04/13/18 12:17:27 PM
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The Great Muta 22 posted...
Kazi1212 posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
ThePredominate posted...
Well where I grew up we were all poor together, black or white.


And as we all know, anecdotal evidence is the best kind of evidence!

....Right?


Anectodal evidence is used to disprove broad and absolute claims and concepts, similar to science. If theres one scenario in opposition to what a claim entails is true of all objects in a set, then that claim is obviously false or there wouldnt be counter examples


Nah, that's not how it works

It is tho. If someone says something is true in every case, and your anecdotal evidence refutes that, then it's a valid argument.
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Vulgorn
04/13/18 12:17:45 PM
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The Great Muta 22
04/13/18 12:20:29 PM
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Kazi1212 posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
Kazi1212 posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
ThePredominate posted...
Well where I grew up we were all poor together, black or white.


And as we all know, anecdotal evidence is the best kind of evidence!

....Right?


Anectodal evidence is used to disprove broad and absolute claims and concepts, similar to science. If theres one scenario in opposition to what a claim entails is true of all objects in a set, then that claim is obviously false or there wouldnt be counter examples


Nah, that's not how it works


Is white privilege non-falsifiable?


That has nothing to do with the validity of anecdotal evidence

nicklebro posted...
It is tho. If someone says something is true in every case, and your anecdotal evidence refutes that, then it's a valid argument.


Cool. There's no absolutes being said though.
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nicklebro
04/13/18 12:23:35 PM
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

Cool. There's no absolutes being said though.

You seem to be misunderstanding what was being said.
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Kazi1212
04/13/18 12:26:56 PM
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The Great Muta 22 posted...
Kazi1212 posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
Kazi1212 posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
ThePredominate posted...
Well where I grew up we were all poor together, black or white.


And as we all know, anecdotal evidence is the best kind of evidence!

....Right?


Anectodal evidence is used to disprove broad and absolute claims and concepts, similar to science. If theres one scenario in opposition to what a claim entails is true of all objects in a set, then that claim is obviously false or there wouldnt be counter examples


Nah, that's not how it works


Is white privilege non-falsifiable?


That has nothing to do with the validity of anecdotal evidence

nicklebro posted...
It is tho. If someone says something is true in every case, and your anecdotal evidence refutes that, then it's a valid argument.


Cool. There's no absolutes being said though.


ok just answer my question, is white privilege falsifiable?

And if it is, what data would be needed in order to falsify it?

Just curious what a man of your intellect thinks on this issue
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The Admiral
04/13/18 12:28:29 PM
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"Minority disadvantage" is far more accurate. For one thing, it would capture the relative privileges that minority groups have in relation to one another even when white people are completely excluded. For example, imagine a town 50% Asian, 30% black, 20% Hispanic. Blacks are still going to experience many of the disadvantages they do now even without whites being present.

Secondly, it allows the term to be generalizable to the describe the same disadvantages that exist in non-white majority countries.

Of course, the term was never intended to be a useful descriptor. It was designed to be intentionally inflammatory by those who don't like white people and what they see as the culture white people created.
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nicklebro
04/13/18 12:36:33 PM
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The Admiral posted...
"Minority disadvantage" is far more accurate. For one thing, it would capture the relative privileges that minority groups have in relation to one another even when white people are completely excluded. For example, imagine a town 50% Asian, 30% black, 20% Hispanic. Blacks are still going to experience many of the disadvantages they do now even without whites being present.

Secondly, it allows the term to be generalizable to the describe the same disadvantages that exist non-white majority countries.

Of course, the term was never intended to be a useful descriptor. It was designed to be intentionally inflammatory by those who don't like white people and what they see as the culture white people created.

See if you'd just stick to these kinds of posts then you'd be such a better poster.
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ThePredominate
04/13/18 12:47:53 PM
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M_Live posted...
These are real thoughts that went through someone's head.


Who are you referring to?
Can you make some counterpoints or do you have none?
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