Poll of the Day > Two BLACK men were ARRested for Loitering and CRIED racism

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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/04/15/officers-in-starbucks-incident-did-absolutely-nothing-wrong-philadelphia-police-chief-says.html

Two black men were asked to leave a starbucks because they were loitering, not purchasing anything, and then asked to use the bathroom. Not understanding that businesses have an absolute right to ask you to leave for ANY reason, they refused and the police were called. When the police also asked them to leave, they again refused and were promptly arresting.

Black philly chief of police has also stated that the officers did nothing wrong, yet people are still crying racism and protesting the establishment.

As if he had any insight on either the situation or society, bigmouthed, little man Kevin Hart also voiced his contempt for the turn of events.

Pitiful Starbucks, now pathetically floundering for damage control, has also fired the manger (even though most likely they were just following company policy.)
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Ah, just what we needed. News reporting with a serious right leaning.

Starbucks lets people loiter on their establishment as a business (although people usually at least buy a single coffee, of which is expensive because it's Starbucks).

That said, Starbucks is still a private business and has the right to kick people off their property for any reason.
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well if they were asked to leave and they didn't, fair, next.

that said, i dont think they necessarily should have asked them to leave just for being there and not buying anything (which people do all the time)

Fam_Fam posted...

well if they were asked to leave and they didn't, fair, next.

that said, i dont think they necessarily should have asked them to leave just for being there and not buying anything (which people do all the time)

I believe the problem was Starbucks doesn't let you use the restroom without paying for something, which they did not do.
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Who cares. I hope they protest Starbucks. It's garbage.
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Hard to say whether asking them to leave was racially motivated. I feel like anyone that went to a coffee shop without ordering anything would be asked to leave, but maybe staff only took notice of these guys because they were a couple of black dudes at Starbucks, which is candidly much less common compared to other racial demographics for the business.

Once they refused to leave they were in the wrong though. Had they been denied service, told they couldnt buy drinks, that would be a clear case of discrimination. Since they werent customers the employees had every right to ask them to leave.
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Shouldn't have called the cops. Shouldn't have been handcuffed to leave. Starbucks encourages loitering as a business model. All the other guests said the men did nothing wrong--they sat waiting for a friend (who showed up as they were being arrested).

So yeah fuck those employees.
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Cruddy_horse posted...

Fam_Fam posted...

well if they were asked to leave and they didn't, fair, next.

that said, i dont think they necessarily should have asked them to leave just for being there and not buying anything (which people do all the time)

I believe the problem was Starbucks doesn't let you use the restroom without paying for something, which they did not do.

The problem was that they were two architects who were waiting for a meeting to start in the Starbucks.
They weren't causing trouble or distracting anyone, they weren't doing anything that would be considered "bad" and they were arrested for just... waiting.

So if this were the precedent for this:
There are no public restrooms in a city.
The only way to use a restroom is to purchase things.
You don't think that this could be go badly?
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Fired the manager for making money, derp
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I guess it had to be the restroom thing. Because people are always just loitering around in Starbucks. Most probably buy drinks. But I've been there where people were just hanging out without buying drinks...
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LinkPizza posted...

I guess it had to be the restroom thing. Because people are always just loitering around in Starbucks. Most probably buy drinks. But I've been there where people were just hanging out without buying drinks...

It definitely happens. Earlier I saw a video of someone who got a Starbucks code to their restroom without buying anything.
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I dont understand why anyone would want to spend time in a Starbucks beyond just ordering their drink and leaving

Id be at serious risk of asphyxiation due to the high concentration of manbuns
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shadowsword87 posted...

Cruddy_horse posted...

Fam_Fam posted...

well if they were asked to leave and they didn't, fair, next.

that said, i dont think they necessarily should have asked them to leave just for being there and not buying anything (which people do all the time)

I believe the problem was Starbucks doesn't let you use the restroom without paying for something, which they did not do.

The problem was that they were two architects who were waiting for a meeting to start in the Starbucks.
They weren't causing trouble or distracting anyone, they weren't doing anything that would be considered "bad" and they were arrested for just... waiting.

So if this were the precedent for this:
There are no public restrooms in a city.
The only way to use a restroom is to purchase things.
You don't think that this could be go badly?

Okay, but if a company has a policy, and you do not follow this policy, do you really think they're just gonna let you break it and not do anything? They were arrested because they were asked to leave and they did not, even after the Police asked them to leave.
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There's a huge difference between asking someone to leave, and jumping straight to calling the police. Then on top of that, the police go beyond escorting or detaining and arrest them with no charge (at least that will stick). I hope the manager gets some "justice".

Cruddy_horse posted...

They were arrested because they were asked to leave and they did not, even after the Police asked them to leave.

According to at least one witness, this is false.
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Cruddy_horse posted...

Okay, but if a company has a policy, and you do not follow this policy

Is this official Starbucks policy?
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Cruddy_horse posted...

Okay, but if a company has a policy, and you do not follow this policy, do you really think they're just gonna let you break it and not do anything? They were arrested because they were asked to leave and they did not, even after the Police asked them to leave.

So... is this policy followed everywhere?
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TheOrangeMisfit posted...

Do you believe any arrest of a black person is because of racism?

Obviously not. These type of people love to hide behind the racism card yet all they doing is making it harder for folk to prove racism when it actually happens. Much like false rape claims or anything like that.

Doesn't matter your sexuality, race, religion or whatever. If you do the crime you do the time.

Fam_Fam posted...

well if they were asked to leave and they didn't, fair, next.

Also this or at least talk to the manager if they feel they were doing nothing wrong.
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RCtheWSBC posted...

Cruddy_horse posted...

Okay, but if a company has a policy, and you do not follow this policy

Is this official Starbucks policy?

I don't know if it's official or a local one, I'm just going by what the Police Chief said in his video.
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Why not arrest all the people that do that, then. I've gone there and not ordered anything. I've had friends do that, too. Like these guys, I've also gone there to meet people. And maybe they didn't want to be rude and decided to wait for the friend to arrive before ordering...

wwinterj25 posted...

Doesn't matter your sexuality, race, religion or whatever. If you do the crime you do the time.

Except not everybody that does whatever crime they did has to do the time...
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we have people come in and buy 5 dollars worth of food and no one ask them to leave after an hour
I'd look like a fucking idiot asking a group of senior citizens to leave or asking a bunch of kids that just go out of the movies to leave unless the store was closing
It used to be like that in America and it's still like that in Europe

how much do you want to bet feminist sjw's were involved in this
they're the only one's who constantly tattle and confront customers and they're VERY selective about who they do it to
it's almost like they like to pick fights with complete strangers...

LinkPizza posted...

Why not arrest all the people that do that, then. I've gone there and not ordered anything. I've had friends do that, too. Like these guys, I've also gone there to meet people. And maybe they didn't want to be rude and decided to wait for the friend to arrive before ordering...

The cops asked them to leave and they refused. That's why they got arrested. If they left as asked then they wouldn't even have the cops involved.

LinkPizza posted...

Except not everybody that does whatever crime they did has to do the time...

Yes because most people have common sense not to argue with cops.
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But why were they the only ones asked to leave. That's the problem. No other Starbucks seems to do this with all the loiterers. That's the main problem I have with this. If every Starbucks did this, then I'd be totally fine. But I've never heard of them ever asking the loiterers to leave. And I've seen them. A lot of people who have been to Starbucks has seen them. So, why not all the loiterers...
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LinkPizza posted...

But why were they the only ones asked to leave. That's the problem.

So these are the only group of black folk that has ever been a loiterer in this Starbucks? Something tells me that's unlikely.

They were probably told to buy something or leave, they refused and caused a fuss so cops were involved. They continued the fuss with the cops thus got arrested. I wounder if it was any other race would folk be claiming racism? Probably not.
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Distinct lack of pirates.
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wwinterj25 posted...

So these are the only group of black folk that has ever been a loiterer in this Starbucks? Something tells me that's unlikely.

That's exactly why I'm saying. I'm trying to figure out why they are the only ones I've ever seen being asked to leave. Or even hear about. Even if they were asked to leave, most people would put it on social media and people would probably be going crazy about it. I don't care about the race, gender, sexuality, etc... Why is it that this rules came out of nowhere. People loiter thee all the time. They go there to loiter when they can't loiter somewhere else...
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LinkPizza posted...

I'm trying to figure out why they are the only ones I've ever seen being asked to leave.

No idea. The article doesn't state much about the incident either. The protesting is fucking hilarious though.
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Once they were asked to leave and didn't they were in the wrong. That's trespassing at that point and is grounds for getting arrested. If the cops actually did ask them to leave as well and they refused again, then their arrest was justified.
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I have definitely loitered in Starbucks quite a bit

its not about the loitering.

its about (fairly) being asked to leave, and then refusing

Fam_Fam posted...

its not about the loitering.

its about (fairly) being asked to leave, and then refusing

But weren't they asked because they were loitering and one used hen bathroom?
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Fam_Fam posted...

its not about the loitering.

its about (fairly) being asked to leave, and then refusing

How do you know them being asked to leave was fair? Maybe they were meeting other people there and waiting for them
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Mead posted...

Fam_Fam posted...

its not about the loitering.

its about (fairly) being asked to leave, and then refusing

How do you know them being asked to leave was fair? Maybe they were meeting other people there and waiting for them

That's what they were doing, IIRC.
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LinkPizza posted...

Mead posted...

Fam_Fam posted...

its not about the loitering.

its about (fairly) being asked to leave, and then refusing

How do you know them being asked to leave was fair? Maybe they were meeting other people there and waiting for them

That's what they were doing, IIRC.

Even with them waiting for someone else, it's perfectly fair to ask non customers to leave.
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dragon504 posted...

LinkPizza posted...

Mead posted...

Fam_Fam posted...

its not about the loitering.

its about (fairly) being asked to leave, and then refusing

How do you know them being asked to leave was fair? Maybe they were meeting other people there and waiting for them

That's what they were doing, IIRC.

Even with them waiting for someone else, it's perfectly fair to ask non customers to leave.

It can be, doesnt mean it was in this situation

If they were waiting for a group and planned on ordering all together, then they would be customers
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dragon504 posted...

LinkPizza posted...

Mead posted...

Fam_Fam posted...

its not about the loitering.

its about (fairly) being asked to leave, and then refusing

How do you know them being asked to leave was fair? Maybe they were meeting other people there and waiting for them

That's what they were doing, IIRC.

Even with them waiting for someone else, it's perfectly fair to ask non customers to leave.

Except they might have been waiting for their whole party before buying drinks. Which is reasonable. I've met friends there and waited before ordering since it's overpriced and I didn't want to buy another when they got there. People do that all the time. So, they might have been customers when their friend arrived. Lots of people like to wait for their whole party before doing stuff. Especially somewhere that's overpriced... That's why I waited. So I wouldn't have to buy 2 overpriced drinks. It's perfectly normal, too. Even if not everyone here does it... some people even consider it rude to order when not every one is there. Or what if they didn't know what the drink they liked was called because their friend(who was on the way) was the one who ordered it last time?
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Fam_Fam posted...

well if they were asked to leave and they didn't, fair, next.

Pretty much. And if you can't get somebody to vacate, you're supposed to call the cops who, in turn, will ask them to leave as well before taking action. Things worked *exactly* how they were supposed to.

Cruddy_horse posted...

Fam_Fam posted...

well if they were asked to leave and they didn't, fair, next.

that said, i dont think they necessarily should have asked them to leave just for being there and not buying anything (which people do all the time)

I believe the problem was Starbucks doesn't let you use the restroom without paying for something, which they did not do.

Yeah, that's really common in city ones. And, given the foot traffic in most downtown areas, it's understandable.
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Hey look Zeus thinks the black folks are in the wrong this time what a surprising development
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Mead posted...

Hey look Zeus thinks the black folks are in the wrong this time what a surprising development

Hey theres no reason to make this about race when theres no clear evidence of that.

dioxxys posted...

when theres no clear evidence of that.

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Mead posted...

Hey look Zeus thinks the black folks are in the wrong this time what a surprising development

Hey look Mead is race-baiting this time what a surprising development
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dioxxys posted...

Mead posted...

Hey look Zeus thinks the black folks are in the wrong this time what a surprising development

Hey theres no reason to make this about race when theres no clear evidence of that.

It might have been about race...

http://6abc.com/what-a-witness-says-happened-during-phila-starbucks-arrests/3342444/?sf186989630=1
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ExactlyTheOrangeMisfit posted...

people are still crying racism

So not the arrested men themselves as the title suggested.

Exactly what is the thought process of the people claiming racism? Do they think that black people can't help but commit crimes? That it's not their fault since they aren't in control of their own actions?
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Mead posted...

Hey look Zeus thinks the black folks are in the wrong this time what a surprising development

zeus is being super racist again?

man, that's not something he totally has a history of doing and is a complete non-surprise

LinkPizza posted...

dioxxys posted...

Mead posted...

Hey look Zeus thinks the black folks are in the wrong this time what a surprising development

Hey theres no reason to make this about race when theres no clear evidence of that.

It might have been about race...

http://6abc.com/what-a-witness-says-happened-during-phila-starbucks-arrests/3342444/?sf186989630=1

I mean maybe?

I guess if people want to really get into the truth of it they can ask:

Were there other black people in the shop who didnt order something and hadnt been asked to leave?
Did someone get the "race tally" on everyone at Starbucks? Yeesh.

Definitely a case of unfair treatment, was it racially motivated? We dont know that from this article alone. The manager was fired though for being rude so...case closed.

dioxxys posted...

Mead posted...

Hey look Zeus thinks the black folks are in the wrong this time what a surprising development

Hey theres no reason to make this about race when theres no clear evidence of that.

Except that without fail @zeus will always side against the ethnic(nonwhite) party in these type of situations
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Do they think that black people can't help but commit crimes

lmao

More like the actions of black people are more likely to be seen as criminal
See: driving while black: http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/evanston/news/ct-evr-evanston-man-arrested-dashboard-video-tl-0119-20170112-story.html

Asking for directions while black: https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/sheriff-rochester-hills-man-chased-black-teen-who-asked-for-directions-into-yard-fired-gun-at-him

Injured after a car accident? Watch yourself
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Renisha_McBride?wprov=sfla1
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dioxxys posted...

LinkPizza posted...

dioxxys posted...

Mead posted...

Hey look Zeus thinks the black folks are in the wrong this time what a surprising development

Hey theres no reason to make this about race when theres no clear evidence of that.

It might have been about race...

http://6abc.com/what-a-witness-says-happened-during-phila-starbucks-arrests/3342444/?sf186989630=1

I mean maybe?

I guess if people want to really get into the truth of it they can ask:

Were there other black people in the shop who didnt order something and hadnt been asked to leave?
Did someone get the "race tally" on everyone at Starbucks? Yeesh.

Definitely a case of unfair treatment, was it racially motivated? We dont know that from this article alone. The manager was fired though for being rude so...case closed.

All I'm saying is it was possible that it was about race. Sure, there's no clear evidence... for us... It might be different for the people that were there, though...
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Streets are not your home. If you want to hang out, look for other places. It's not about race.