Current Events > Police kill black father with barrage of bullets in Walmart parking lot

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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Where is it even alleged that he was trying to murder police officers

Why do you think the police shot him?
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Always see people described with words like father or brother or son, but the truth is that while a guy trying to hurt me might be all of those things, that isnt his present mode. It isnt like this guy was gunned down minding his own business while walking his kids to school.

So fuck him. Unless I see evidence that the police were out of line, Im going to side with the professionals that deal with a hostile minority population for most of their working career. They shoot a guy one time, theres probably a reason for that one time out of the many of other hundreds of cases where they didnt. Fuck this race baiting bullshit.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Where is it even alleged that he was trying to murder police officers

Why do you think the police shot him?

Because apparently the idea of not shooting him didn't occur to them.
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FrisbeeDude posted...

he accelerated the car towards officers when they tried to stop him,

lets move on
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So he tried to ram a group of cops and got lit up for his troubles?
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So do we know what's fact yet?
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The Admiral posted...

Here is the video. Can't see much, but you do see the car back into the police car before they open fire:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kjAJhJboUs" data-time="

Holy shit. Literally shot a car full of people in a crowded parking lot. What a disgrace

Muffinz0rz posted...

I didn't watch the video, but if the driver sped off to avoid the cops, then it'd turn into a police chase and that is another degree of dangerous for a large number of people, as opposed to just those few in the parking lot.

So the best course of action is to gun him down instantly because he might hurt someone in the future? I'm sorry, but I just don't agree with that at all. Not to mention the cops hit the passenger and could've hurt more people when they shot dozens of bullets his way.

Based on what I've seen, I don't see this as anything other than a disgusting display of excessive force.

ShinobiNinjaX posted...

What's with police and the excessive shooting in many cases of this nature? Are they trained to exaust all their ammunition at the first sign of danger?

I hear about incidents like this and usually the perp is shot 7+ times.

I forget what its called, but iirc, there's a thing where if one cop shoots, they all start shooting.

LJRENEGADE posted...

So the best course of action is to gun him down instantly because he might hurt someone in the future?

yes. best case scenario.
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LJRENEGADE posted...

I forget what its called, but iirc, there's a thing where if one cop shoots, they all start shooting.

Stupidity.
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ShinobiNinjaX posted...

Stupidity

its stronger than plain stupidity when people escalate a situation by trying to run from cops
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100% fair. Next!!
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ModLogic posted...

ShinobiNinjaX posted...

Stupidity

its stronger than plain stupidity when people escalate a situation by trying to run from cops

By no stretch of the imagination is it a good idea to go firing squad mode on a moving vechicle in a crowded parking lot. This was excessive on police part.
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ShinobiNinjaX posted...

ModLogic posted...

ShinobiNinjaX posted...

Stupidity

its stronger than plain stupidity when people escalate a situation by trying to run from cops

By no stretch of the imagination is it a good idea to go firing squad mode on a moving vechicle in a crowded parking lot. This was excessive on police part.

But the guy ramming a police car during a routine traffic stop is the correct response?
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>Rams a police car
>"He was just a sweet innocent man who would never harm a fly!"
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Howl posted...

>Rams a police car
>"He was just a sweet innocent man who would never harm a fly!"

Actually, the way the clickbait articles have been describing him is "unarmed black father." HuffPo has their usual montage of his pictures with emotional music. Those are always red flags that this is race baiting bullshit. When a black man actually is killed in a completely unfair example of brutality, they don't need the melodrama and hyperbole; they just report it straight.
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darkjedilink posted...

ShinobiNinjaX posted...

ModLogic posted...

ShinobiNinjaX posted...

Stupidity

its stronger than plain stupidity when people escalate a situation by trying to run from cops

By no stretch of the imagination is it a good idea to go firing squad mode on a moving vechicle in a crowded parking lot. This was excessive on police part.

But the guy ramming a police car during a routine traffic stop is the correct response?

Nothing can justify this disgraceful display of excessive force. Thankfully no innocent bystanders were killed.
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Do we have pictures of the vehicles? I want to see how much damage each one sustained so we can determine how hard he hit it. From what I saw in the video, "rammed" seems hyperbolic.
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here is my issue:

In most countries the police level of escalation goes like this:

talk > shout > manhandle > baton > taser > firearm shot to a non-lethal target (e.g. leg) > shot to a lethal target (e.g. chest, belly) > emptying the clip on somebody > several cops empty the clip on somebody

Here the level of escalation goes like:

white:

talk > shout > manhandle > baton > taser > firearm shot to a non-lethal target (e.g. leg) > shot to a lethal target (e.g. chest, belly) > emptying the clip on somebody > several cops empty the clip on somebody

black:

talk> several cops empty the clip on somebody

Shuto-uke posted...

white:

talk > shout > manhandle > baton > taser > firearm shot to a non-lethal target (e.g. leg) > shot to a lethal target (e.g. chest, belly) > emptying the clip on somebody > several cops empty the clip on somebody

black:

talk> several cops empty the clip on somebody

I mean, you're not wrong...
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Shuto-uke posted...

here is my issue:

In most countries the police level of escalation goes like this:

talk > shout > manhandle > baton > taser > firearm shot to a non-lethal target (e.g. leg) > shot to a lethal target (e.g. chest, belly) > emptying the clip on somebody > several cops empty the clip on somebody

Here the level of escalation goes like:

white:

talk > shout > manhandle > baton > taser > firearm shot to a non-lethal target (e.g. leg) > shot to a lethal target (e.g. chest, belly) > emptying the clip on somebody > several cops empty the clip on somebody

black:

talk> several cops empty the clip on somebody

It's so common it's been a running joke for decades.
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Shuto-uke posted...

here is my issue:

In most countries the police level of escalation goes like this:

talk > shout > manhandle > baton > taser > firearm shot to a non-lethal target (e.g. leg) > shot to a lethal target (e.g. chest, belly) > emptying the clip on somebody > several cops empty the clip on somebody

Here the level of escalation goes like:

white:

talk > shout > manhandle > baton > taser > firearm shot to a non-lethal target (e.g. leg) > shot to a lethal target (e.g. chest, belly) > emptying the clip on somebody > several cops empty the clip on somebody

black:

talk> several cops empty the clip on somebody

Imagine being this hysterical
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Howl posted...

>Rams a police car
>"He was just a sweet innocent man who would never harm a fly!"

No one is saying he didn't do anything wrong. People are saying he should not have been murders nor should everyone else in the area have been put at risk.
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Dammit Diante
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cjsdowg posted...

Howl posted...

>Rams a police car
>"He was just a sweet innocent man who would never harm a fly!"

No one is saying he didn't do anything wrong. People are saying he should not have been murders nor should everyone else in the area have been put at risk.

You can't expect them to understand that.

People like Addy, Howl, Gf, Capn, etc, etc. get off on these stories.
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cjsdowg posted...

Howl posted...

>Rams a police car
>"He was just a sweet innocent man who would never harm a fly!"

No one is saying he didn't do anything wrong. People are saying he should not have been murders nor should everyone else in the area have been put at risk.

I don't think you understand what murder is. Best to take a timeout.
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So...cops shot for basically no reason and against all procedure. What else is new?
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Knowledge_King posted...

So...cops shot for basically no reason and against all procedure. What else is new?

Someone got shot but survived for a change. That's definitely new. Should change the way this plays out as well
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cjsdowg posted...

Howl posted...

>Rams a police car
>"He was just a sweet innocent man who would never harm a fly!"

No one is saying he didn't do anything wrong. People are saying he should not have been murders nor should everyone else in the area have been put at risk.

How many times does it need to be explained that if you do something that potentially puts the cops' lives in perceived mortal danger (e.g. ram a car into theirs, point your hands at them when they think you have a gun), they can justifiably shoot you. Has nothing to do with your skin color.

People in this country need to stop being so fucking stupid and this wouldn't happen nearly as often.
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The Admiral posted...

People in this country need to stop being so fucking stupid and this wouldn't happen nearly as often.

There's two sides to that coin. It also wouldn't happen nearly as often if cops would stop being so trigger happy. If these cops were afraid for their lives because someone backed into their car and felt the need to waste him for it, maybe they shouldn't be cops. Our military is held to a much higher standard in warzones.
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voldothegr8 posted...

The Admiral posted...

People in this country need to stop being so fucking stupid and this wouldn't happen nearly as often.

There's two sides to that coin. It also wouldn't happen nearly as often if cops would stop being so trigger happy. If these cops were afraid for their lives because someone backed into their car and felt the need to waste him for it, maybe they shouldn't be cops. Our military are held to a much higher standard in warzones.

I don't know what military you're referring to but ours blatantly gets away with killing innocent people.

Tell me who was punished for bombing that Doctors Without Borders hospital?
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apocalyptic_4 posted...

Shuto-uke posted...

here is my issue:

In most countries the police level of escalation goes like this:

talk > shout > manhandle > baton > taser > firearm shot to a non-lethal target (e.g. leg) > shot to a lethal target (e.g. chest, belly) > emptying the clip on somebody > several cops empty the clip on somebody

Here the level of escalation goes like:

white:

talk > shout > manhandle > baton > taser > firearm shot to a non-lethal target (e.g. leg) > shot to a lethal target (e.g. chest, belly) > emptying the clip on somebody > several cops empty the clip on somebody

black:

talk> several cops empty the clip on somebody

It's so common it's been a running joke for decades.

It's actually the opposite, according to statistical analysis.
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The Admiral posted...

How many times does it need to be explained that if you do something that potentially puts the cops' lives in perceived mortal danger (e.g. ram a car into theirs, point your hands at them when they think you have a gun), they can justifiably shoot you.

There's no justifying opening fire like that in a crowded parking lot with innocent bystanders.
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Its absolutely frightening that people think its perfectly okay and logical to shoot a barrage of bullets into a car full of people just to get one guy. There could have been children in that car. Not to mention other innocents in the car or even bystanders in the area.
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The CElawyers are at it again I see...
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brandunh11 posted...

Its absolutely frightening that people think its perfectly okay and logical to shoot a barrage of bullets into a car full of people just to get one guy. There could have been children in that car. Not to mention other innocents in the car or even bystanders in the area.

its all on the pos trying to run from police with passengers
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thelovefist posted...

Shuto-uke posted...

here is my issue:

In most countries the police level of escalation goes like this:

talk > shout > manhandle > baton > taser > firearm shot to a non-lethal target (e.g. leg) > shot to a lethal target (e.g. chest, belly) > emptying the clip on somebody > several cops empty the clip on somebody

Here the level of escalation goes like:

white:

talk > shout > manhandle > baton > taser > firearm shot to a non-lethal target (e.g. leg) > shot to a lethal target (e.g. chest, belly) > emptying the clip on somebody > several cops empty the clip on somebody

black:

talk> several cops empty the clip on somebody

Imagine being this hysterical

Waaaahhhh
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StarReaper13 posted...

Shuto-uke posted...

white:

talk > shout > manhandle > baton > taser > firearm shot to a non-lethal target (e.g. leg) > shot to a lethal target (e.g. chest, belly) > emptying the clip on somebody > several cops empty the clip on somebody

black:

talk> several cops empty the clip on somebody

I mean, you're not wrong...

Actually he is incredibly wrong and very foolish to be so braggadocious when he is so incorrect.

No police or responsible gun owner will ever intentionally aim for a "Non-lethal" target such as an arm or a leg. That comes from watching Hollywood movies.

1. If you arm for a leg you could easily miss and hit a bystander
2. If you hit an arm or a leg you could still kill someone
3. If you hit an arm or a leg you could easily barely hinder someone. IF they are a danger to yourself or others then you have not stopped the threat.

If you are willing to pull the trigger then you aim the gun at the target's chest and shoot to kill. Always. If any cop fires a gun and is not aiming for the chest then he needs to be retrained.

If you don't or cannot understand that then frankly you have no businsess discussing how cops or gunmen should handle dangerous situations
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He dindu nothin, police always trigger happy, #FireThemAll
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ModLogic posted...

its all on the pos trying to run from police with passengers

So if you are taken hostage you would be fine with a cop shooting you. When he was out of danger?
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UnfairRepresent posted...

StarReaper13 posted...

Shuto-uke posted...

white:

talk > shout > manhandle > baton > taser > firearm shot to a non-lethal target (e.g. leg) > shot to a lethal target (e.g. chest, belly) > emptying the clip on somebody > several cops empty the clip on somebody

black:

talk> several cops empty the clip on somebody

I mean, you're not wrong...

Actually he is incredibly wrong and very foolish to be so braggadocious when he is so incorrect.

No police or responsible gun owner will ever intentionally aim for a "Non-lethal" target such as an arm or a leg. That comes from watching Hollywood movies.

1. If you arm for a leg you could easily miss and hit a bystander
2. If you hit an arm or a leg you could still kill someone
3. If you hit an arm or a leg you could easily barely hinder someone. IF they are a danger to yourself or others then you have not stopped the threat.

If you are willing to pull the trigger then you aim the gun at the target's chest and shoot to kill. Always. If any cop fires a gun and is not aiming for the chest then he needs to be retrained.

If you don't or cannot understand that then frankly you have no businsess discussing how cops or gunmen should handle dangerous situations

This is a good post.
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Sounds like a lawsuit. Time to get paid

ModLogic posted...

brandunh11 posted...

Its absolutely frightening that people think its perfectly okay and logical to shoot a barrage of bullets into a car full of people just to get one guy. There could have been children in that car. Not to mention other innocents in the car or even bystanders in the area.

its all on the pos trying to run from police with passengers

How derranged do you have to be to think its okay to put innocents in danger just to catch a criminal? According to your logic, if a criminal kidnapped someone or held them hostage, its a-ok for police to shoot indiscriminately at the hostage as long the criminal happened to be in the same direction. These werent sharpshooters, in position taking a well calculated shot. This was literally just a Rambo style barrage of bullets. The police are supposed to be trained professionals. I expect them to exercise better judgement than a criminal.
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Why so many on-site executions these days?
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brandunh11 posted...

ModLogic posted...

brandunh11 posted...

Its absolutely frightening that people think its perfectly okay and logical to shoot a barrage of bullets into a car full of people just to get one guy. There could have been children in that car. Not to mention other innocents in the car or even bystanders in the area.

its all on the pos trying to run from police with passengers

How derranged do you have to be to think its okay to put innocents in danger just to catch a criminal? According to your logic, if a criminal kidnapped someone or held them hostage, its a-ok for police to shoot indiscriminately at the hostage as long the criminal happened to be in the same direction. These werent sharpshooters, in position taking a well calculated shot. This was literally just a Rambo style barrage of bullets. The police are supposed to be trained professionals. I expect them to exercise better judgement than a criminal.

and this changes the fact that its still all due to the pos trying to run in the first place?
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brandunh11 posted...

ModLogic posted...

brandunh11 posted...

Its absolutely frightening that people think its perfectly okay and logical to shoot a barrage of bullets into a car full of people just to get one guy. There could have been children in that car. Not to mention other innocents in the car or even bystanders in the area.

its all on the pos trying to run from police with passengers

How derranged do you have to be to think its okay to put innocents in danger just to catch a criminal? According to your logic, if a criminal kidnapped someone or held them hostage, its a-ok for police to shoot indiscriminately at the hostage as long the criminal happened to be in the same direction. These werent sharpshooters, in position taking a well calculated shot. This was literally just a Rambo style barrage of bullets. The police are supposed to be trained professionals. I expect them to exercise better judgement than a criminal.

The DRIVER put them in danger.
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thelovefist posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

StarReaper13 posted...

Shuto-uke posted...

white:

talk > shout > manhandle > baton > taser > firearm shot to a non-lethal target (e.g. leg) > shot to a lethal target (e.g. chest, belly) > emptying the clip on somebody > several cops empty the clip on somebody

black:

talk> several cops empty the clip on somebody

I mean, you're not wrong...

Actually he is incredibly wrong and very foolish to be so braggadocious when he is so incorrect.

No police or responsible gun owner will ever intentionally aim for a "Non-lethal" target such as an arm or a leg. That comes from watching Hollywood movies.

1. If you arm for a leg you could easily miss and hit a bystander
2. If you hit an arm or a leg you could still kill someone
3. If you hit an arm or a leg you could easily barely hinder someone. IF they are a danger to yourself or others then you have not stopped the threat.

If you are willing to pull the trigger then you aim the gun at the target's chest and shoot to kill. Always. If any cop fires a gun and is not aiming for the chest then he needs to be retrained.

If you don't or cannot understand that then frankly you have no businsess discussing how cops or gunmen should handle dangerous situations

This is a good post.

Thanks
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Spooking posted...

This. People do know that a car can be used as a dangerous weapon, right? It clearly was in this case since the suspect was trying to escape, and in his panic he rammed at least two cars. We're fortunate that he didn't try to run down any innocent people. The police handled the situation swiftly.

They shot in to a car full of people when they were clear of the car.
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