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Kaname_Madoka
04/20/18 1:40:20 PM
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why the fuck are they cops if they get nervous and shoot people
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Veggeta X
04/20/18 1:41:15 PM
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PREACH

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southcoast09
04/20/18 1:41:51 PM
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Cuz if they follow protocol, they are put on a federal trial and their first and last name become known by everyone?
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Kaname_Madoka
04/20/18 1:42:36 PM
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southcoast09 posted...
Cuz if they follow protocol, they are put on a federal trial and their first and last name become known by everyone?

this is a reason to shoot innocent people?
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finn-the-human
04/20/18 1:42:36 PM
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*a newborn puppy comes running up to them*

Cop: I AM BEING ATTACKED!
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Veggeta X
04/20/18 1:45:08 PM
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"That guy was on PCP, Johnson. I had to use necessary force! You saw him. No, no, no paperwork, just... just sprinkle some crack on him. Let's get out of here."
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BLAKUboy
04/20/18 1:46:22 PM
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finn-the-human posted...
*a newborn puppy comes running up to them*

Cop: I AM BEING ATTACKED!

Don't forget to turn off your body cam before the interaction takes place.
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NYmasajista
04/20/18 1:49:42 PM
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Much of that fear comes from their training as they are taught to be afraid of us while taking our money, possessions, and lives. Which is pretty funny when you think about how their job is not even in the top ten most dangerous in this nation.
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Patchwork
04/20/18 1:50:59 PM
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Why not just put this in the other topic about cops?

You can't train nerves out of someone; they'll always be nervous in certain situations. Walking up on a car with tinted out windows, multiple passengers, and a lot of movement at night is pretty nerve-wracking.

Just because you know how to handle that situation, or what you're trained to do, doesn't mean you won't be nervous doing it.

If you're talking about the "fear of bodily injury/death" threshold for lethal force, that's a different story, and we can discuss that if you'd like.
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WrkHrdPlayHrdr
04/20/18 1:53:15 PM
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Kaname_Madoka posted...
why the fuck are they cops if they get nervous and shoot people


I'm in no way, shape, or form for what's been going on with the police the last few years in regards to all the shootings they are involved in. But if you don't see that cops can get nervous doing traffic stops or responding to domestic abuse situations or any of the other number of things they do then you're ridiculous.

People shoot cops during stops. Rarely, but it happens. I can understand how they get nervous.
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DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC
04/20/18 1:56:28 PM
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Many conservatives: "Cops are heroes!"

Cop: "That black guy was talking on the phone, holding a pellet gun. I had to kill him because I was in fear for my life."

Many conservatives: "Sounds legit."
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Kineth
04/20/18 1:57:48 PM
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Because that's the only way they can get paid leave AND get to execute people.
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KarmaMuffin
04/20/18 2:22:21 PM
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I fully understand why cops get nervous and why people being stopped get nervous. The whole situation is nervous for everyone because literally everyone knows that shit could go down if you have a criminal or a bad cop in the situation, and of course you never know which one the other person is
However, I think it's even worse for cops to blame nerves for why they did something wrong when they're trained. A person is not trained and does not have the same backing a cop does.
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A_Good_Boy
04/20/18 2:40:24 PM
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Cops go through intense rigorous training on how to make snap judgements in intense situations so they can properly assess a situation, just to throw all of that training out the window once they're put through real life situations; whereas civilians don't go through any sort of training to deal with making snap judgements in intense situations, but they're the ones that are expected to be calm cool and collected at all times while dealing with police because anything else will get them killed by some cop that's spazzing out.
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thanosibe
04/20/18 2:46:57 PM
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Sweet Christ all the usual suspects shit posting their generalizations in this thread!
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Medz1286
04/20/18 2:47:24 PM
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HypnoCoosh
04/20/18 2:48:09 PM
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Why do liberals want to live in anarchy I swear to god.
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Kaname_Madoka
04/20/18 2:58:38 PM
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HypnoCoosh posted...
Why do liberals want to live in anarchy I swear to god.

I... don't?
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MC_BatCommander
04/20/18 2:59:15 PM
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Kaname_Madoka posted...
HypnoCoosh posted...
Why do liberals want to live in anarchy I swear to god.

I... don't?


ignore him, he's in perpetual meltdown state
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DevsBro
04/20/18 3:01:21 PM
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Kaname_Madoka posted...
HypnoCoosh posted...
Why do liberals want to live in anarchy I swear to god.

I... don't?

What do you think happens when there are no more police?
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DarkProto05
04/20/18 3:03:17 PM
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Good question TC. Too bad conservatives ignore good questions that they don't like.
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A_Good_Boy
04/20/18 3:03:19 PM
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DevsBro posted...
Kaname_Madoka posted...
HypnoCoosh posted...
Why do liberals want to live in anarchy I swear to god.

I... don't?

What do you think happens when there are no more police?

Where do you see anyone wishing for no more police?
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Thrillwell
04/20/18 3:05:18 PM
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I break the law and then complain when police do their job
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DevsBro
04/20/18 3:05:25 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
DevsBro posted...
Kaname_Madoka posted...
HypnoCoosh posted...
Why do liberals want to live in anarchy I swear to god.

I... don't?

What do you think happens when there are no more police?

Where do you see anyone wishing for no more police?

I've never seen anybody wish for anything with regard to police, just complain about them.
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A_Good_Boy
04/20/18 3:07:37 PM
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DevsBro posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
DevsBro posted...
Kaname_Madoka posted...
HypnoCoosh posted...
Why do liberals want to live in anarchy I swear to god.

I... don't?

What do you think happens when there are no more police?

Where do you see anyone wishing for no more police?

I've never seen anybody wish for anything with regard to police, just complain about them.

OK so you're just making stuff up then.
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Thrillwell
04/20/18 3:07:52 PM
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I riot because a person of color was shot after committing a crime, but don't so anything at all when my rights are taken away.
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TheCyborgNinja
04/20/18 3:08:02 PM
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DevsBro posted...
Kaname_Madoka posted...
HypnoCoosh posted...
Why do liberals want to live in anarchy I swear to god.

I... don't?

What do you think happens when there are no more police?

People who think like me would ruin it for everyone.


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DevsBro
04/20/18 3:10:44 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
DevsBro posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
DevsBro posted...
Kaname_Madoka posted...
HypnoCoosh posted...
Why do liberals want to live in anarchy I swear to god.

I... don't?

What do you think happens when there are no more police?

Where do you see anyone wishing for no more police?

I've never seen anybody wish for anything with regard to police, just complain about them.

OK so you're just making stuff up then.

It's an assumption but I don't know what else to assume. Fill me in?
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voldothegr8
04/20/18 3:14:53 PM
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Agreed, if someone is constantly afraid for their life they have no business being a cop.
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Pepys Monster
04/20/18 3:16:32 PM
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I'm not a big fan of cops, but let's be realistic here. They're not Superman. They're people.
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twitterfriends
04/20/18 3:22:52 PM
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Exactly
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ColdOne666
04/20/18 3:24:07 PM
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Classic hypocrit lefties itt insulting and generalizing cops while hiding behind there computers. Pathetic.
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A_Good_Boy
04/20/18 3:24:08 PM
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Pepys Monster posted...
I'm not a big fan of cops, but let's be realistic here. They're not Superman. They're people.

While the people that deal with cops are apt to be shot if they're not as composed as Superman.
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Pepys Monster
04/20/18 3:25:10 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Pepys Monster posted...
I'm not a big fan of cops, but let's be realistic here. They're not Superman. They're people.

While the people that deal with cops are apt to be shot if they're not as composed as Superman.

True.
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Laserion
04/20/18 3:26:38 PM
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It seems that the only way to deal with nervous cops is to drop to your knees, put your hands on your head, and let them put you in the patrol car, not saying a word. Speak and sort it all out once you get to the HQ.
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DirkDiggles
04/20/18 3:29:42 PM
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We live in bizarro times right now. We got people marching to have their rights taken away. We got people saying "Fuck the police" only to call the cops when someone calls them out on it. We got people call other people Nazis just for not agreeing with them.
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DarkProto05
04/20/18 4:24:06 PM
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DirkDiggles posted...
We live in bizarro times right now. We got people marching to have their rights taken away. We got people saying "Fuck the police" only to call the cops when someone calls them out on it. We got people call other people Nazis just for not agreeing with them.

We've got racists who aren't even trying to hide their racism anymore.
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DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC
04/20/18 4:24:57 PM
#38:


Kaname_Madoka posted...
HypnoCoosh posted...
Why do liberals want to live in anarchy I swear to god.

I... don't?

"Anarchy means 'without leaders', not 'without order'." -- V for Vendetta
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EverDownward
04/20/18 4:26:56 PM
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"I don't understand why human beings can be scared of other human beings!"
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Kaname_Madoka
04/20/18 4:29:48 PM
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EverDownward posted...
"I don't understand why human beings can be scared of other human beings?!"

i guess i worded this wrong.

I'm not asking why cops get nervous

im asking why thats a valid excuse
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EverDownward
04/20/18 4:31:29 PM
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Kaname_Madoka posted...
EverDownward posted...
"I don't understand why human beings can be scared of other human beings?!"

i guess i worded this wrong.

I'm not asking why cops get nervous

im asking why thats a valid excuse

Because if you were put in a situation where a dude could have a weapon, wouldn't you be scared? Regardless if you had a weapon? I sure as fuck would be. The difference between cops and regular, ordinary people is that even though cops are probably scared too, they typically have the training to respond to the situation with enough ingenuity that a normal person may not.
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Kaname_Madoka
04/20/18 4:32:22 PM
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EverDownward posted...
Kaname_Madoka posted...
EverDownward posted...
"I don't understand why human beings can be scared of other human beings?!"

i guess i worded this wrong.

I'm not asking why cops get nervous

im asking why thats a valid excuse

Because if you were put in a situation where a dude could have a weapon, wouldn't you be scared? Regardless if you had a weapon? I sure as fuck would be. The difference between cops and regular, ordinary people is that even though cops are probably scared too, they typically have the training to respond to the situation with enough ingenuity that a normal person may not.

being nervous isn't a reason to murder people
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EverDownward
04/20/18 4:33:37 PM
#43:


Kaname_Madoka posted...
EverDownward posted...
Kaname_Madoka posted...
EverDownward posted...
"I don't understand why human beings can be scared of other human beings?!"

i guess i worded this wrong.

I'm not asking why cops get nervous

im asking why thats a valid excuse

Because if you were put in a situation where a dude could have a weapon, wouldn't you be scared? Regardless if you had a weapon? I sure as fuck would be. The difference between cops and regular, ordinary people is that even though cops are probably scared too, they typically have the training to respond to the situation with enough ingenuity that a normal person may not.

being nervous isn't a reason to murder people

At this point we've crossed over from a general scenario to bias. It's fine if you want to believe cops are only out there to ruthlessly murder people, but I promise you that's not why the judicial system is in place. At no point is an officer, in training, ever told by their superiors that they're out there to murder civilians.
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scorpion41
04/20/18 4:38:50 PM
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Police are trained to shoot first and ask questions later. Unfortunately that mindset does lead to some needless fatalities. But, hesitating in a situation can get a cop killed. Getting called to a scene with a possibly armed suspect that escalated the encounter will make anyone nervous. Its valid.
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lightwarrior78
04/20/18 5:15:42 PM
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There's a world of difference between wanting to protect people, and willing to throw your life away. They're people that don't want to die like anyone else. They also have families that don't want them to die and would like to see them again. To ask otherwise is basically to ask them to not be human, and their loved ones to see them as disposable in the big picture. Reports of dead or injured cops, or even seeing it happen to friends on the force just compound things because no sane person can turn off that part of their brain that wants to keep breathing, but see their role as too vital to stop.

Death's by police are tragic, but I can't fathom how the side normally so versed in empathy, seems to think that cutting off from emotions is either possible or desired just because you have a badge.
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_OujiDoza_
04/20/18 5:18:13 PM
#46:


HypnoCoosh posted...
I swear to god.

That's your first problem.
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Kineth
04/20/18 5:35:57 PM
#47:


How about all the usual suspects, who use partisan terms as the crux of their arguments, just shut the fuck up or form a competent argument without bullshit and fluff in it.
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nicklebro
04/20/18 6:00:21 PM
#48:


lightwarrior78 posted...
There's a world of difference between wanting to protect people, and willing to throw your life away. They're people that don't want to die like anyone else. They also have families that don't want them to die and would like to see them again. To ask otherwise is basically to ask them to not be human, and their loved ones to see them as disposable in the big picture. Reports of dead or injured cops, or even seeing it happen to friends on the force just compound things because no sane person can turn off that part of their brain that wants to keep breathing, but see their role as too vital to stop.

Death's by police are tragic, but I can't fathom how the side normally so versed in empathy, seems to think that cutting off from emotions is either possible or desired just because you have a badge.

There's plenty of examples of cops taking advantage of that mindset and killing someone even though they weren't actually in any danger, but they knew the book says they'd be justified. Like that guy who was crawling towards the cops and crying and tried to pull his pants up and got shot. That cop was quite clearly looking for an excuse to kill. That's obviously an anecdotal and extreme example, but it just illustrates the many flaws In our police training as well as the laws regarding when and how police are allowed to use their service weapons. Philando Castile is another perfect example of these flaws especially when it comes to officer training.
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voldothegr8
04/20/18 6:25:47 PM
#49:


lightwarrior78 posted...
There's a world of difference between wanting to protect people, and willing to throw your life away. They're people that don't want to die like anyone else. They also have families that don't want them to die and would like to see them again.

Then don't be a fucking cop. They don't have to throw their life away but they can't be scared either, they have to be rational as they're first responders to often dangerous situations. They and their families know it's a dangerous job and the inherent risks.
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Tupacrulez
04/20/18 6:33:18 PM
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More carpenters are killed every year than cops.

Cops don't get to say they're nervous. 9999/10,000, they have a gun, and the other guy doesn't.

Cop told me I was riding like I was nerved out on my motorcycle before he pulled me over. Said 'why were you riding like you were nervous?'

My response was 'Cause there was a guy with a gun tailgating the shit out of me for 10 minutes while he tried to find an excuse to pull me over'
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