Current Events > Do you consider Indians (from India) Asians?

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when talking about "Asian", people that pop up in my heads are: Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese, Japanese, Filipinos, Thai, Cambodian, Laotian, Indonesian. Basically the East and Southeast Asian countries.

What about Indians (from India)? Do you see them as Asian too?

My experience is that East and Southeast Asians see themselves as different from Indians and vice versa

no and most indians will get annoyed if you call them asian

Aki_Narukami posted...

no and most indians will get annoyed if you call them asian

except indians refer to themselves as south asian and many of their social organizations identify as such
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Nope, I would only ever refer to east asians as asian
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What is the definition of Asian?

Do Indians meet that criteria? I would say so.

Aki_Narukami posted...

no and most indians will get annoyed if you call them asian

That is absolutely false. Americans are the only ones who seem to not understand that India is indeed in Asia. Contrary to popular belief Asia is NOT just China and Japan.
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Well India is in Asia so sure.
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India is part of Asia, so yes.
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Yes.
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WSM Piru posted...

That is absolutely false. Americans are the only ones who seem to not understand that India is indeed in Asia.

gguirao posted...

India is part of Asia, so yes.

Russia is located in Asia.

Is Putin an Asian man then?
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WSM Piru posted...

Aki_Narukami posted...

no and most indians will get annoyed if you call them asian

That is absolutely false. Americans are the only ones who seem to not understand that India is indeed in Asia. Contrary to popular belief Asia is NOT just China and Japan.

you say this and yet im not american and my hood is mostly Indian

gomd

Aki_Narukami posted...

WSM Piru posted...

Aki_Narukami posted...

no and most indians will get annoyed if you call them asian

That is absolutely false. Americans are the only ones who seem to not understand that India is indeed in Asia. Contrary to popular belief Asia is NOT just China and Japan.

you say this and yet im not american and my hood is mostly Indian

gomd

still wrong though
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they know india is asia

they call themselves south asian sometimes

I specifically said Asian

not south Asian

learn to read or take your hands off the keyboard

They're about as Asian as Semites, Arabs, Turks, Persians are.
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Well, India is in Asia, so yes.
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gguirao posted...

India is part of Asia, so yes.

This.

Rob Cesternino posted...

Russia is located in Asia.

Is Putin an Asian man then?

Only part of Russia is in Asia. The part Putin was born in is in Europe. So no he isn't Asian.

Aki_Narukami posted...

no and most indians will get annoyed if you call them asian

?????
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No matter if you are from Europe or Asia Eurasian

Sorry bad joke.

Still isnt it being taught that it is one continent now instead of two? I mean it is the same landmass on the same tectonic plate how is that two continents?
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Rob Cesternino posted...

WSM Piru posted...

That is absolutely false. Americans are the only ones who seem to not understand that India is indeed in Asia.

gguirao posted...

India is part of Asia, so yes.

Russia is located in Asia.

Is Putin an Asian man then?

some russians are asian, some are not. St. Petersberg, where Putin is from, is very much in Europe

Technically yeah but like you said, "Asian" colloquially refers to E/SE Asian countries, so I'd generally specify South Asian if I were talking about India.
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i'm Indian and therefore, by definition, also Asian
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yes, south asian. there's also east asian, west asian, north asian, central asian, and southeast asian
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Yes, absolutely.

Rob Cesternino posted...

Russia is located in Asia.

Is Putin an Asian man then?

This is stupid. Like, even for a gag, it's dumb.
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Rob Cesternino posted...

Russia is located in Asia.

not the whole country
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In the sense that they are from the continent of Asia, yes.

Going by common usage in conversation, it's also a yes. We in the UK are the opposite of Americans in this regard. We use "Asian" to primarily refer to Indians, Pakistanis, etc., probably due to the immigration we've had from these countries. We have more people of Indian, Pakistani, etc. descent than Chinese, Korean, Japanese, etc. descent.

Real_Account posted...

when talking about "Asian", people that pop up in my heads are: Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese, Japanese, Filipinos, Thai, Cambodian, Laotian, Indonesian. Basically the East and Southeast Asian countries.

What about Indians (from India)? Do you see them as Asian too?

My experience is that East and Southeast Asians see themselves as different from Indians and vice versa

Race is stupid, period.

I also think east asian (e.g. japanese, chinese) when I think Asian. Then I see Southeast Asian as Asian but different (e.g. Cambodian, Filipino), they're very obviously a distinct people. Then I see Indian, Bangladeshi, Nepalese, etc as yet another people, and not "Asian" in the same sense.

It's like "hispanic", it's a stupid term, speaking Spanish doesn't make you a race. And don't get me started about "white", a term from which people get admitted into and expelled left and right (just ask the Irish, Italians, Slavs and Hispanics)

I don't immediately think India when I hear Asia, I assume Fillipino and other East Asians as that's my family.

But I will say South Asian, usually I just say ethnicity though and I'm pretty good at guessing.
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Why wouldn't I?

yes.
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Fam_Fam posted...

some russians are asian, some are not. St. Petersberg, where Putin is from, is very much in Europe

This is a photo of a woman from Vladivostok, a Russian city that borders China and Korea. Vladivostok is located in the Asian part of Russia.

So according to your logic, this woman is Asian then.
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This is a really pointless argument
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Rob Cesternino posted...

Fam_Fam posted...

some russians are asian, some are not. St. Petersberg, where Putin is from, is very much in Europe

This is a photo of a woman from Vladivostok, a Russian city that borders China and Korea. Vladivostok is located in the Asian part of Russia.

So according to your logic, this woman is Asian then.

well if she's from the asian part of russia, she would indeed be asian
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This topic is a good example of what people mean by "race is a social construct"
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Vamp_Aubrey posted...

Rob Cesternino posted...

Fam_Fam posted...

some russians are asian, some are not. St. Petersberg, where Putin is from, is very much in Europe

This is a photo of a woman from Vladivostok, a Russian city that borders China and Korea. Vladivostok is located in the Asian part of Russia.

So according to your logic, this woman is Asian then.

well if she's from the asian part of russia, she would indeed be asian

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Rob Cesternino posted...

Fam_Fam posted...

some russians are asian, some are not. St. Petersberg, where Putin is from, is very much in Europe

This is a photo of a woman from Vladivostok, a Russian city that borders China and Korea. Vladivostok is located in the Asian part of Russia.

So according to your logic, this woman is Asian then.

Yeah
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My head says yes but my heart says no.

But in all seriousness this is 100% about where you grew up. Where I grew up (Aurora, Colorado) East Asians did tend to hang out together at the schools I went to and Indian people weren't a part of that group. Koreans, Chinese, and Vietnamese were the 'Asians'.

In the US we have basically swapped out "oriental" for "Asian" and Indians weren't considered "oriental" even when that term was common is what I would guess is the reason. The real reason behind the difference between what "Asian" means comes from the fact that we are lumping like 60% of the world's population together and there are massive ethnic differences between people that live on that continent.

When "Asia" was originally invented as a term for a place it basically meant everything across the Aegean sea to the East of Greece.

Is that person from Asia? If yes, then that person is Asian
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Vamp_Aubrey posted...

Rob Cesternino posted...

Fam_Fam posted...

some russians are asian, some are not. St. Petersberg, where Putin is from, is very much in Europe

This is a photo of a woman from Vladivostok, a Russian city that borders China and Korea. Vladivostok is located in the Asian part of Russia.

So according to your logic, this woman is Asian then.

well if she's from the asian part of russia, she would indeed be asian

Fair enough.

So why is that all of these Asian girl pics topics are always of girls from Korea and japan, and never from india and east Russia?
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Because not everyone realises how big Asia is.
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chill02 posted...

not the whole country

95% or so is. Are the ones from the Asian part considered Asians?
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Rob Cesternino posted...

So why is that all of these Asian girl pics topics are always of girls from Korea and japan, and never from india and east Russia?

You'd have to ask the people that make those topics.

WSM Piru posted...

Aki_Narukami posted...

no and most indians will get annoyed if you call them asian

That is absolutely false. Americans are the only ones who seem to not understand that India is indeed in Asia. Contrary to popular belief Asia is NOT just China and Japan.

Pretty much. I live in an area where Punjabi Indians are the second biggest demographic after white people and there are many times "South Asian" comes up as a descriptor. Nobody is bothered.
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

WSM Piru posted...

Aki_Narukami posted...

no and most indians will get annoyed if you call them asian

That is absolutely false. Americans are the only ones who seem to not understand that India is indeed in Asia. Contrary to popular belief Asia is NOT just China and Japan.

Pretty much. I live in an area where Punjabi Indians are the second biggest demographic after white people and there are many times "South Asian" comes up as a descriptor. Nobody is bothered.

What's amusing is that the American census considers Indians as Asians as well afaik. So seems odd that so many Americans seem to think they aren't.
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Funkydog posted...

TheCyborgNinja posted...

WSM Piru posted...

Aki_Narukami posted...

no and most indians will get annoyed if you call them asian

That is absolutely false. Americans are the only ones who seem to not understand that India is indeed in Asia. Contrary to popular belief Asia is NOT just China and Japan.

Pretty much. I live in an area where Punjabi Indians are the second biggest demographic after white people and there are many times "South Asian" comes up as a descriptor. Nobody is bothered.

What's amusing is that the American census considers Indians as Asians as well afaik. So seems odd that so many Americans seem to think they aren't.

It's because everybody is paranoid about looking racist due to the volume of actual racism.
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Americans are clueless on geographic things most everybody else knows or thinks only their way of seeing things is legit? Gee, what a surprise!
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Controversial opinion here but I personally believe that Indians are only "Asian" in the geographic sense, but not so much culturally and phenotypically. I think "South Asians" should be a separate demographic. As you said, East/Southeast Asians don't feel the same kind of familiarity toward Indians as they do toward one another. Asia is such a huge continent that it's wrong to placed everyone under the same umbrella just because they happened to live in the same continent

This is what happens when (at least) two "continents" share the same landmass.

No, it's the same as I don't consider middle eastern people as Asian.
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People are going to lose their shit if you bring up western or central Asia. Kazakhstan alone will have people scratching their heads once they look at what kinds of people you find there looks wise. Or even in countries like INdia and Pakistan, what they see in the north vs south of the country where the look is VASTLY different. Basically, Black vs White difference yet nobody doubts they're all Indian or Pakistani. Just look up bollywood stars to see what I mean. Look at the REAL Aryans that most don't know are Indian since they stereotype all Indians as dark skinned and having only specific features.

Samurai_Shinjo posted...

Controversial opinion here but I personally believe that Indians are only "Asian" in the geographic sense, but not so much culturally and phenotypically. I think "South Asians" should be a separate demographic. As you said, East/Southeast Asians don't feel the same kind of familiarity toward Indians as they do toward one another. Asia is such a huge continent that it's wrong to placed everyone under the same umbrella just because they happened to live in the same continent

Except they do this to Europe and Africa already and that's considered fine. All continents are huge, they're only continents. People here judge by looks above all else even though if you go to Europe and Africa you'll see that people look drastically different as you go throughout it and you'll EASILY be able to tell they're from different regions of the same continent. For example, you can tell a Slavic person apart from a non White Slavic person. To many people Slavic people look "exotic" next to non Slavic Whites due to how different they look. Or a South European vs a North European. They have vastly differently facial features and the north tends to be taller, paler, freckled and with light eyes and blonde and red hair. Those things are rare in the south and people more commonly have olive skin, dark hair and dark eyes. Yet nobody doubts all those people are White or European despite that.

Ben_Ruggiero posted...

No, it's the same as I don't consider middle eastern people as Asian.

Middle East stretches into Africa and a part of Europe as well. The Middle East is a term America made up by the way so not surprising it makes no sense.
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