Current Events > Why the fuck haven't Goku and Vegeta wished their parents back yet?

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What a bunch of shitty ass motherfucking sons. Goku literally brought back Frieza, their murderer, in Super and these motherfuckers die all the fucking time and return and have the actual Gods, including the main one, as their buddies. We got Beerus who fucking gifts life via Whis. And nothing.

I made this topic because of the next Super movie, which by the trailers, seems like someone brings back the original Legendary Super Saiyan.

Vegeta be all like "I need to meet Cabba people", yet has made no effort towards bringing back his own.
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tbf, Goku doesn't remember his time on Planet Vegeta, or anything about that life, iirc.

and maybe I'm wrong, but it seemed like Vegeta didn't like his dad.
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g0ldie posted...

tbf, Goku doesn't remember his time on Planet Vegeta, or anything about that life, iirc.

and maybe I'm wrong, but it seemed like Vegeta didn't like his dad.

Is Goku so braindead that he hasn't seen the benefit of bringing back his own dad? They'd pretty much train 24/7 and go SSB5 together.

I never got the impression Vegeta hated King Vegeta. It was more like anger from Frieza treating them like he did and doing what he did.
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I don't think Vegeta hated his dad. He was upset at Frieza and Beerus abusing him. But at the same time, I feel like he's kinda indifferent to him >_> idk
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you guys are probably right

I haven't followed the series for years
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Neither of them give a shit about them. It helps that most of the old Saiyans were planet conquering douchebags. Yes Frieza forced them, but they all took great joy in their work.
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They should do Vegetas Mother
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I thought it was because the planet was destroyed so they can't.

DoctorVader posted...

g0ldie posted...

tbf, Goku doesn't remember his time on Planet Vegeta, or anything about that life, iirc.

and maybe I'm wrong, but it seemed like Vegeta didn't like his dad.

Is Goku so braindead that he hasn't seen the benefit of bringing back his own dad? They'd pretty much train 24/7 and go SSB5 together.

I never got the impression Vegeta hated King Vegeta. It was more like anger from Frieza treating them like he did and doing what he did.

Goku doesn't know a single thing about his father. As far as he's concerned, he's probably a dick like Raditz was. Not that Goku particularly understands family bonds to begin with.
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Goku already met with Gohan after his death and he's made peace with it.
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Bardork was killed by a pink Napoleon and Vegeta the 1st got bullied by purple cat.

They suck and should stay dieded
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Like, I'd understand if the franchise never tried to flesh out Goku's dad. But he's gotten several specials, mangas, and he appears in multiple games where he plays plot important roles. He needs to show up in canon again, at some point.
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I was always under the impression that you cant wish them back unless its on the planet they died from.

So it would have to be planet vegetas dragon balls but they dont have any.
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g0ldie posted...

and maybe I'm wrong, but it seemed like Vegeta didn't like his dad.

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I4NRulez posted...

I was always under the impression that you cant wish them back unless its on the planet they died from.

So it would have to be planet vegetas dragon balls but they dont have any.

But they use Namek's Dragon Balls to resurrect Piccolo back on Earth. Though it does seem that you return to the position of either your corpse or where your body was destroyed. Gotta wish back Planet Vegeta first, I suppose.
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This lead me to two odd pictures, one much odder than the other.


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Warrior_Man posted...

I4NRulez posted...

I was always under the impression that you cant wish them back unless its on the planet they died from.

So it would have to be planet vegetas dragon balls but they dont have any.

But they use Namek's Dragon Balls to resurrect Piccolo back on Earth. Though it does seem that you return to the position of either your corpse or where your body was destroyed. Gotta wish back Planet Vegeta first, I suppose.

when did that happen? I honestly dont remember.
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To be fair though, Goku brought back Freeza for his power level to assist in a tournament.
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I4NRulez posted...

Warrior_Man posted...

I4NRulez posted...

I was always under the impression that you cant wish them back unless its on the planet they died from.

So it would have to be planet vegetas dragon balls but they dont have any.

But they use Namek's Dragon Balls to resurrect Piccolo back on Earth. Though it does seem that you return to the position of either your corpse or where your body was destroyed. Gotta wish back Planet Vegeta first, I suppose.

when did that happen? I honestly dont remember.

When they summon Namek's eternal dragon to prevent Frieza from doing so, their first two wishes are to revive Piccolo, who comes back to life on Earth. They then use the second wish to bring Piccolo to Namek and then Guru dies so they have to wait to use their third wish (which ends up being to move the resurrected victims of Frieza via the Earth Balls to Earth before Namek exploded)
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Veggeta X posted...

g0ldie posted...

and maybe I'm wrong, but it seemed like Vegeta didn't like his dad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYMPONBqtPY" data-time="

fucking wat
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They may have already repented and reincarnated.
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I thought there was a time limit for bringing people back? Like after a certain amount of time they can't be wished back...

Or was the limit just on number of times they can be resurrected? Either way, Bardock and King Vegeta would be really weak by the shows current standards...I know they can do the whole "train til you almost die and magically get way stronger" bit, but they didn't even utilize that for gohan, goten, or trunks who all have more potential than Goku/Vegeta.

Also, the people who write the show seem to have amnesia cus they legit forget about previously important characters.

It's goku/vegeta show...Why'd they bring back someone who isn't either of them?

Grandpa Gohan still has his body right? Goku was dead and we never saw him.
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Webmaster4531 posted...

Grandpa Gohan still has his body right? Goku was dead and we never saw him.

In Dragon Ball, when Baba brings Gohan back from the dead to battle with Goku, he tells Goku that he is content in the afterlife and that he has lots of friends "most of whom are brunettes"

Which means he's too busy having dead person sex parties to hang out with dead Goku when he dies in DBZ.
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I mean, goku still hasn't brought back king Kai despite being reminded constantly. Why would he remember someone not constantly shouting in his head to do it?
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Bacon_Pancakes posted...

I thought there was a time limit for bringing people back? Like after a certain amount of time they can't be wished back...

Or was the limit just on number of times they can be resurrected? Either way, Bardock and King Vegeta would be really weak by the shows current standards...I know they can do the whole "train til you almost die and magically get way stronger" bit, but they didn't even utilize that for gohan, goten, or trunks who all have more potential than Goku/Vegeta.

Also, the people who write the show seem to have amnesia cus they legit forget about previously important characters.

It's goku/vegeta show...Why'd they bring back someone who isn't either of them?

This. In revenge of F Freeza got revived as a pile of chum since it had been too long and only survived because his species apparently has no organs or bodily fluids, or anything else really.
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Vortex_of_Hope posted...

Bacon_Pancakes posted...

I thought there was a time limit for bringing people back? Like after a certain amount of time they can't be wished back...

Or was the limit just on number of times they can be resurrected? Either way, Bardock and King Vegeta would be really weak by the shows current standards...I know they can do the whole "train til you almost die and magically get way stronger" bit, but they didn't even utilize that for gohan, goten, or trunks who all have more potential than Goku/Vegeta.

Also, the people who write the show seem to have amnesia cus they legit forget about previously important characters.

It's goku/vegeta show...Why'd they bring back someone who isn't either of them?

This. In revenge of F Freeza got revived as a pile of chum since it had been too long and only survived because his species apparently has no organs or bodily fluids, or anything else really.

I'm pretty sure Frieza was revived in pieces because his species (or at least he himself) is extraordinarily resilient and was still "alive" after Trunks sliced him into pieces before obliterating the pieces so the Eternal Dragon could only return his body to the state it was in when it died, which was a rain of chopped up chunks.
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Why are you guys discussing the logistics? There are tons of other ways they can be brought back. They literally have Zeno.

Also, the next movie's trailers seem to imply that some old Saiyan will be revived. Possibly the original Legendary Super Saiyan. So bringing anyone back should not be a problem at this point.

I feel Vegeta and King Vegeta would have a great bond. Bardock would probably be just like Goku and keep training. I could see Goku, Vegeta and Bardock training together. Current power level doesn't matter especially with shit like the RoSaT.
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Vegeta wouldn't wish his dad back because that would threaten his place as stand-in king of the Saiyans. Goku wouldn't wish his parents back because he's never even met them.
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Kineth posted...

Vegeta wouldn't wish his dad back because that would threaten his place as stand-in king of the Saiyans.

He still calls himself a prince...

Kineth posted...

Goku wouldn't wish his parents back because he's never even met them.

Why do adopted at birth children go back and find their birth parents and start relationships with them?

It has nothing to do with not having met them.
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DoctorVader posted...

Kineth posted...

Vegeta wouldn't wish his dad back because that would threaten his place as stand-in king of the Saiyans.

He still calls himself a prince...

Kineth posted...

Goku wouldn't wish his parents back because he's never even met them.

Why do adopted at birth children go back and find their birth parents and start relationships with them?

It has nothing to do with not having met them.

cause adopted kids suffer from battered wife syndrome. Hey lets find the deadbeat who threw me away and ignore the person who literally cucked themselves to raise me!

Why do adopted at birth children go back and find their birth parents and start relationships with them?

Because some people care about that sort of thing, but some people don't. Goku falls into the latter category.
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DoctorVader posted...

He still calls himself a prince...

Yeah, I said "stand-in" as a qualifier to get around that.

Why do adopted at birth children go back and find their birth parents and start relationships with them?

It has nothing to do with not having met them.

You're thinking way too hard about this.
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FluttershyPony posted...

cause adopted kids suffer from battered wife syndrome. Hey lets find the deadbeat who threw me away and ignore the person who literally cucked themselves to raise me!

I don't think the adoptive parents get ignored...

Guide posted...

Because some people care about that sort of thing, but some people don't. Goku falls into the latter category.

True. However, Goku's need to get stronger can easily be complemented with his own dad. He knows training with Gohan and Vegeta is the best thing for him because they're Saiyans. But they have their own lives, so why not get your dead father in on the fun?

Kineth posted...

Yeah, I said "stand-in" as a qualifier to get around that.

But that doesn't mean anything was my point. He would still get more of the respect. King Vegeta was the type shown to likely approve of Vegeta and step back. Vegeta has shown he wants to meet other Saiyans and whatnot.

Kineth posted...

You're thinking way too hard about this.

You said he wouldn't care because he never met them. I responded asking why do others care then.
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Because Goku is a fucking idiot.

Vegeta might one day. You never know. I'm thinking there's going to be a lot of Saiyan stuff in the next arc. Wouldn't be surprised if all of Planet Vegeta returns or something.
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why would they wash their parents backs
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True. However, Goku's need to get stronger can easily be complemented with his own dad. He knows training with Gohan and Vegeta is the best thing for him because they're Saiyans. But they have their own lives, so why not get your dead father in on the fun?

Because his dad is miles behind everyone else. Goku would do better training with Krillin. That, and he's already constantly training with Vegeta, so you're wrong about them having different lives.
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DoctorVader posted...

But that doesn't mean anything was my point. He would still get more of the respect. King Vegeta was the type shown to likely approve of Vegeta and step back. Vegeta has shown he wants to meet other Saiyans and whatnot.

Yeah. I think he doesn't call himself King for a few reasons. One being that he hasn't been officially coronated, but the other is that his damn is King Vegeta and that would create some confusion if he suddenly started calling himself King Vegeta. Still, you're right that his dad would cede the throne. I mean, his dad hadn't seen a Super Saiyan and would very likely not hold a candle to them.

Now that I think about it, he probably wouldn't revive him because he would view him as weak for letting Frieza push them around. Vegeta's pride knows no bounds.

You said he wouldn't care because he never met them. I responded asking why do others care then.

Fair, but that's the part where you're talking about real human psychology on a show about punching people, so that's why I said you're thinking too hard about it. And now that I think about it, Goku hasn't even wished King Kai back yet so I doubt his mind is even focused on his biological parents.
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LockeMonster posted...

Because Goku is a fucking idiot.

Vegeta might one day. You never know. I'm thinking there's going to be a lot of Saiyan stuff in the next arc. Wouldn't be surprised if all of Planet Vegeta returns or something.

That's a good point.

Guide posted...

Because his dad is miles behind everyone else.

I explained that already.

Guide posted...

Goku would do better training with Krillin. That, and he's already constantly training with Vegeta, so you're wrong about them having different lives.

He literally ends up having to beg people to train with him and ends up having to work with Krillin before realizing he could use Gohan.

Just because Goku and Vegeta train doesn't mean they always train together. That's pretty rare for them. Bardock would be the perfect no life sparring buddy.
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You didn't explain it. ROSAT doesn't change how far behind his dad is. Goku would have to delay his own training to help his father train, which defeats the whole purpose.

The only kind of training left that gets him any significant progress involves reality-bending gods, Vegeta, and the risk of universal destruction.

Actually, Tien had been training more overall than Goku, up until Beerus got involved. Tien just knows there's no point to training with Goku anymore. Too far.
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Kineth posted...

Now that I think about it, he probably wouldn't revive him because he would view him as weak for letting Frieza push them around. Vegeta's pride knows no bounds.

Nah, I think he's gotten over that by the end of Super.

Kineth posted...

Fair, but that's the part where you're talking about real human psychology on a show about punching people, so that's why I said you're thinking too hard about it. And now that I think about it, Goku hasn't even wished King Kai back yet so I doubt his mind is even focused on his biological parents.

Fair enough. I thought you were saying it like no one in real life would care either, that's why I responded like that.

That's why my point shifted more towards getting him for some other selfish reason like training. We've literally seen teen Saiyans do what Goku and Vegeta did in years, in a matter of minutes. I think being around SSJs and SSBs aides weaker Saiyans. Well everyone except Gohan lol.

Guide posted...

You didn't explain it. ROSAT doesn't change how far behind his dad is. Goku would have to delay his own training to help his father train, which defeats the whole purpose.

The only kind of training left that gets him any significant progress involves reality-bending gods, Vegeta, and the risk of universal destruction.

Actually, Tien had been training more overall than Goku, up until Beerus got involved. Tien just knows there's no point to training with Goku anymore. Too far.

How can you be talking about the ToP and not seen the fucking teenage Saiyans ascend several levels in under 42 fucking minutes. Vegeta even has a fucking speech about it.

Scene in question. MAJOR SPOILERS FOR THE END OF SUPER AND EPISODE 129.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pioyqMyUn38" data-time="
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I don't care about Bardock or King Vegeta, but I always thought they should bring Radditz back, since he'd be easy to control now.
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In the manga they say clearly that you can only resurrect someone at most one year after their death
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jumi posted...

I don't care about Bardock or King Vegeta, but I always thought they should bring Radditz back, since he'd be easy to control now.

Yeah, him too. If just as sparring buddies. I just think it would be great.

frozenshock posted...

In the manga they say clearly that you can only resurrect someone at most one year after their death

Which manga? Z? That's pretty outdated.

Super has thrown pretty much all that out. Whis alone can return life to someone on behalf of Beerus just with his staff.
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Which manga? Z? That's pretty outdated.

Z isn't a manga. Everything before super is just considered Dragonball. was put on the anime and newer omnibus editions, but the manga itself is still just Dragonball.

There's no evidence that anything was "thrown out". Where'd you get that from?

As for SPOILERS: I'm avoiding that until the dub is out, so it'll be awhile until I can tell you why you're wrong.
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Guide posted...

Z isn't a manga. Everything before super is just considered Dragonball. was put on the anime and newer omnibus editions, but the manga itself is still just Dragonball.

You know what I mean. That's semantics.

Guide posted...

There's no evidence that anything was "thrown out". Where'd you get that from?

As for SPOILERS: I'm avoiding that until the dub is out, so it'll be awhile until I can tell you why you're wrong.

If you haven't seen the entirely of Super, which is canon, you have no right to speak much about the entirety of Dragon Ball and their characters. In that very speech, Vegeta even ridicules your point. "How are you Gods so hasty to declare a win?"
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DoctorVader posted...

Which manga? Z? That's pretty outdated.

It's volume 26 or 27... don't remember exactly. It's during the battle against Freezer when Kaio and Kami talk about the power of the dragon balls. Kami says specifically that you can't resurrect someone who's been dead for more than one year.
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Goku doesn't know his dad and Vegeta doesn't care

If anything he'd probably have to kill his dad as his dad would try to take over Earth and the universe
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Because shitty writing. A Hallmark of the series in general.
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Dragon Balls are as powerful as who created them.
Kami talks about the early Earth balls.
The Namek balls are more powerful and might be able to bring back somebody that been dead longer.
And then Dende recreated the Dragon Balls, which were stronger than the early Earth balls.
And then we got the planetsize balls that restored a whole planet, filled with life, in a whole different universe. That planet must have been destroyed for a long time by then.
And even if it wouldnt work, we got time machines and alternative timelines where dead people can be picked up from before they died if we really want to bring back people.
As for why...
...Goku got no reason to do it. Just look at what kind of father he is. He got absolutely no reason in trying to bring back his father because;
(A) he dont care about family ties, and
(B) if he want to revive somebody that he can train it, he would pick the strongest Saiyan, which to his knowledge is the legendary first SSJGod.
Bardock? Who is that? My father? Was he as strong as the first SSJGod? No? Then I dont care.
Vegeta... his pride gets in his way. He would see his father as a weakling and be ashamed that Goku is still stronger than himself.
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