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papercup 04/27/18 7:43:53 PM #1: |
It was really fun, then I got to DBZ, and I'm not liking it all that much. He introduces "power levels" out of the blue, but he never attempts to explain what a power level of 1 is, or how it scales, so when you see ridiculous numbers like 150,000,000, it's a completely arbitrary and meaningless number. And now there's no suspense in any fight cus you know the guy with the higher power level is going to win. I feel like Toriyama realized that DB was so popular that he can make it as stupid and goofy as he wants, and people will still buy it. Not that it wasn't stupid already, but at least it was stupid in a fun way. Now it's just stupid.
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TallTamryu 04/27/18 7:55:00 PM #2: |
Dragonball is the best, Z makes it weird.
They start out simple with the power levels, but once it reaches a really high number you don't have much to compare it to, just have to guess. papercup posted... cus you know the guy with the higher power level is going to win Not exactly and they stop mentioning it more as it goes on. --- "Guys don't treat girls right, that's why the lesbian rate's going up" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Judgmenl 04/27/18 7:58:48 PM #3: |
Dragon Ball > Dragon Ball Super > Dragon Ball Z
The only "good" arc in DBZ is Cell Games, other than that it's really meh. --- Judge, Nostalgia is a hell of a drug. You're a regular Jack Kerouac ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ogurisama 04/27/18 8:01:19 PM #4: |
Powerscaling gets pretty wonky in Dragon Ball Z
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helIy 04/27/18 8:04:19 PM #5: |
goku wins every time, power levels are meaningless
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Ogurisama 04/27/18 8:08:52 PM #6: |
helIy posted...
goku wins every time, power levels are meaningless Not really true --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Judgmenl 04/27/18 8:10:12 PM #7: |
helIy posted...
goku wins every time, power levels are meaningless lol no he doesn't. Goku loses more times than he wins. --- Judge, Nostalgia is a hell of a drug. You're a regular Jack Kerouac ... Copied to Clipboard!
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papercup 04/27/18 8:13:17 PM #8: |
Yeah Goku loses a lot.
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VioletZer0 04/27/18 8:15:37 PM #9: |
papercup posted...
It was really fun, then I got to DBZ, and I'm not liking it all that much. He introduces "power levels" out of the blue, but he never attempts to explain what a power level of 1 is, or how it scales, so when you see ridiculous numbers like 150,000,000, it's a completely arbitrary and meaningless number. And now there's no suspense in any fight cus you know the guy with the higher power level is going to win. I feel like Toriyama realized that DB was so popular that he can make it as stupid and goofy as he wants, and people will still buy it. Not that it wasn't stupid already, but at least it was stupid in a fun way. Now it's just stupid. I remember at the beginning of DBZ, in the American dub, Raditz analyzed the farmer with a shotgun and said "Power level 10, too bad" I thought that was a decent baseline. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ogurisama 04/27/18 8:15:52 PM #10: |
Judgmenl posted...
helIy posted...goku wins every time, power levels are meaningless I looked it up, he won (before Super) 73% of his fights But this is including really small unimportant fights http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11164 --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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helIy 04/27/18 8:17:04 PM #11: |
Ogurisama posted...
helIy posted...goku wins every time, power levels are meaningless and all of those times, goku ended up winning in the end didn't he d i d n t h e no fight would ever be won if goku wasn't there, except against golden frieza because that movie was just stupid and an excuse to show goku or vegeta just beating him up to the point where it wasn't even entertaining --- you are a factory of sadness https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1448-helly-squad ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AllstarSniper32 04/27/18 8:24:54 PM #12: |
I only don't like GT. All other DB/Z/S are good to me!
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Bacon_Pancakes 04/27/18 8:25:53 PM #13: |
There was never a sense of danger/suspense in DBZ after the frieza ark. Pretty much once he landed on Namek was when it turned into goku vs the world
DB Super had a few of those moments, but something about Dragon Ball made it much more interesting to watch/read...Idk. It eventually got formulaic, even down to the various super saiyan transformations...They really didn't mean much other than "Hey, gonna get real strong real fast" I'll rewatch DB every couple of years, but DBZ I'll really only watch if it happens to be on TV. Super was pretty good, but I probably won't rewatch that any time soon, if ever. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Judgmenl 04/27/18 8:33:57 PM #14: |
helIy posted...
and all of those times, goku ended up winning in the end No. (Super Spoilers down below) Goku's Losses: Dragon Ball: - Goku vs Yamcha - Goku vs Jackie Chun - Goku vs General Blue - Goku vs Tao Pai Pai - Goku vs Tienshinhan (beats him in the next tournament) - Goku vs Tambourine (wins in a rematch) - Goku vs Piccolo Daimao (wins in a rematch) Dragon Ball Z: - Goku vs Raditz - Goku vs Raditz (self-sacrifice) - Goku vs Vegeta - Goku vs Captain Ginyu - Goku vs Cell - Goku vs Butenks - Goku vs Kid Buu (only wins via Vegito) Dragon Ball Super: - Goku vs Beerus - Goku vs Frieza (Whis saves the day here) - Goku vs Hit - Goku vs Goku Black / Zamasu / Merged Zamasu (erased by Zeno) - Goku vs Jiren Oh, but Goku beat Frieza. --- Judge, Nostalgia is a hell of a drug. You're a regular Jack Kerouac ... Copied to Clipboard!
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old_school227 04/27/18 9:05:00 PM #15: |
Power levels are a joke, it's making fun of chi levels which was popular in japan at the time.
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SilentSeph 04/27/18 9:26:41 PM #16: |
Dragon Ball is great. It also has my favorite opening music in the series.
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green dragon 04/27/18 9:50:02 PM #17: |
We're are reading it at. I could never find any good scans. Pm me if need be.
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papercup 04/27/18 10:29:55 PM #18: |
green dragon posted...
We're are reading it at. I could never find any good scans. Pm me if need be. Been reading the printed 3-in-1 volumes. --- Nintendo Network ID: papercups 3DS FC: 4124 5916 9925 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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papercup 04/27/18 10:34:58 PM #19: |
Also, obligatory Ginyu Force rules
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Zeus 04/27/18 10:46:45 PM #20: |
DB is fantastic. DBZ is mostly shit. Granted, DB was going that route towards the end so it was something of a natural evolution, although DBZ completely outdoes itself when it comes to sequels taking a crap over the original.
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Monopoman 04/27/18 11:16:39 PM #21: |
Zeus posted...
DB is fantastic. DBZ is mostly shit. Granted, DB was going that route towards the end so it was something of a natural evolution, although DBZ completely outdoes itself when it comes to sequels taking a crap over the original. They basically completely move away from power levels at least in the anime after a good portion of DBZ. Seems like they realized power levels were pretty ridiculous, and that is why they don't constantly reference them after a certain point. --- BF ID: Birck #1559845599 Leads: Senbonzakura Miku, Xenon, Bjorn+Linlin ... Copied to Clipboard!
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papercup 04/29/18 12:59:48 PM #22: |
Actually, now that I'm getting a bit further into Z, I actually like how fast this is moving. I remember watching the anime as a kid and how long everything took.
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JOExHIGASHI 04/29/18 1:11:29 PM #23: |
Over 9000!
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Krazy_Kirby 04/29/18 1:13:29 PM #24: |
lol @ "goku loses to yamcha" in dragon ball....
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Ogurisama 04/29/18 1:13:42 PM #25: |
Monopoman posted...
They basically completely move away from power levels at least in the anime after a good portion of DBZ. Seems like they realized power levels were pretty ridiculous, and that is why they don't constantly reference them after a certain point. They stopped right after Frieza saga. And are seen referenced in Super by Frieza forces. So kinda like they made an in universe explanation of what power levels are --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Pus_N_Pecans 04/29/18 1:23:52 PM #26: |
Yeah, Dragonball is actually pretty good, but Dragonball Z jumps the shark hard.
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ss4parrothair 04/29/18 2:16:16 PM #27: |
GT had some good ideas but porky executes them. I liked the sense of adventure which Z gave up on. Also dragon balls having consequences.
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Krazy_Kirby 04/29/18 2:46:22 PM #28: |
ss4parrothair posted...
GT had some good ideas but porky executes them. I liked the sense of adventure which Z gave up on. Also dragon balls having consequences. are you talking about oolong? --- Kill From The Shadows. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ss4parrothair 04/29/18 3:04:13 PM #29: |
Krazy_Kirby posted...
ss4parrothair posted...GT had some good ideas but porky executes them. I liked the sense of adventure which Z gave up on. Also dragon balls having consequences. Lol. I mean just using them has consequences --- I will change this when I think of something new. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Metalsonic66 04/29/18 4:11:06 PM #30: |
DB >>> DBZ up to end of Cell Saga > Super manga > Buu saga > Super anime
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papercup 04/30/18 7:40:40 PM #31: |
I ran out of Dragon Ball volumes to read, so I'm reading Bone now. >_> Might buy the next couple 3-in-1 volumes here soon. Only got as far as Ginyu Force.
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FinalFantasyVII 04/30/18 7:44:01 PM #32: |
are you reading the Viz translation that for some reasons intentionally translates things wrong?
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papercup 04/30/18 7:50:25 PM #33: |
Yep
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AllstarSniper32 04/30/18 7:51:30 PM #34: |
green dragon posted...
We're are reading it at. I could never find any good scans. Pm me if need be. I know of good scans. edit: well, I did, but they're not there anymore. --- If the people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking systems, there would be a revolution before morning - Andrew Jackson ... Copied to Clipboard!
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