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ViralMoose
04/30/18 8:16:40 AM
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https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-northkorea-southkorea-trump/trump-should-win-the-nobel-peace-prize-says-south-koreas-moon-idUKKBN1I10O8

President Trump should win the Nobel Peace Prize. What we need is only peace, Moon told a meeting of senior secretaries, according to a presidential Blue House official who briefed media.

Moon and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un on Friday pledged to end hostilities between the two countries and work towards the complete denuclearisation of the Korean peninsula in the first inter-Korean summit in more than a decade.

Trump is preparing for his own summit with Kim, which he said would take place in the next three to four weeks.

That upcoming meeting was the main subject of a private walk and chat that Kim and Moon had during their meeting at the border, the official said.

In January, Moon said Trump deserves big credit for bringing about the inter-Korean talks. It could be a resulting work of the U.S.-led sanctions and pressure.

Moons Nobel Prize comment came in response to a congratulatory message from Lee Hee-ho, the widow of late South Korean President Kim Dae-jung, in which she said Moon deserved to win the prize in recognition of his efforts, the Blue House official said.

Moon responded by saying Trump should get it.


Will Democrats now admit that he deserves one?
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Tyranthraxus
04/30/18 8:21:19 AM
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ViralMoose posted...
Will Democrats now admit that he deserves one?

Obama didn't deserve one. Trump definitely doesn't deserve one.
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Doom_Art
04/30/18 8:21:53 AM
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I mean that's nice of Moon to say but I think he deserves it over Trump. He did all the actual work.

Call me partisan but I don't really think this was all tje intended effect of Trumps harsh rhetoric earlier this year
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ViralMoose
04/30/18 8:22:37 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
ViralMoose posted...
Will Democrats now admit that he deserves one?

Obama didn't deserve one. Trump definitely doesn't deserve one.

Of all the people who have won a Nobel Peace prize, even excluding Obama, a guy who was the catalyst for preventing nuclear war wouldn't be a step down.
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UnfairRepresent
04/30/18 8:22:50 AM
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ViralMoose posted...

Will Democrats now admit that he deserves one?

No they will just say that he is lying.

It's really really weird but I am not exaggerating.
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ViralMoose
04/30/18 8:23:39 AM
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Doom_Art posted...
I mean that's nice of Moon to say but I think he deserves it over Trump. He did all the actual work.

Call me partisan but I don't really think this was all tje intended effect of Trumps harsh rhetoric earlier this year

If you ever thought that nuclear war could be caused by tweets, you need to go outside more.
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Doom_Art
04/30/18 8:24:24 AM
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ViralMoose posted...
Of all the people who have won a Nobel Peace prize, even excluding Obama, a guy who was the catalyst for preventing nuclear war wouldn't be a step down.

Again, Trump is naturally loudmouthed and combative. I strongly doubt that this is what he had in mind threatening NK over Twitter
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Youngster_Joey_
04/30/18 8:24:29 AM
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Doom_Art
04/30/18 8:25:02 AM
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ViralMoose posted...
If you ever thought that nuclear war could be caused by tweets, you need to go outside more.

The hell are you talking about
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UnfairRepresent
04/30/18 8:25:43 AM
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ViralMoose posted...
Doom_Art posted...
I mean that's nice of Moon to say but I think he deserves it over Trump. He did all the actual work.

Call me partisan but I don't really think this was all tje intended effect of Trumps harsh rhetoric earlier this year

If you ever thought that nuclear war could be caused by tweets, you need to go outside more.

I don't follow this logic.

What's the difference between communication via the internet and communication via speaking or letters?
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ViralMoose
04/30/18 8:26:28 AM
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Doom_Art posted...
Again, Trump is naturally loudmouthed and combative. I strongly doubt that this is what he had in mind threatening NK over Twitter

Because tweeting Kim Jong Un is all he did.
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l Dudeboy l
04/30/18 8:26:50 AM
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South Korea is giving Trump credit so they keep receiving aid from America. South Korea did most of the work themselves.
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Doom_Art
04/30/18 8:27:01 AM
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ViralMoose posted...
Because tweeting Kim Jong Un is all he did.

More or less
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ViralMoose
04/30/18 8:27:11 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
ViralMoose posted...
Doom_Art posted...
I mean that's nice of Moon to say but I think he deserves it over Trump. He did all the actual work.

Call me partisan but I don't really think this was all tje intended effect of Trumps harsh rhetoric earlier this year

If you ever thought that nuclear war could be caused by tweets, you need to go outside more.

I don't follow this logic.

What's the difference between communication via the internet and communication via speaking or letters?

Nothing. But personal attacks alone won't cause a nuclear war and never would have.
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ViralMoose
04/30/18 8:27:49 AM
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Doom_Art posted...
ViralMoose posted...
Because tweeting Kim Jong Un is all he did.

More or less

Well you're wrong, but don't let that stop you from living in the reality you want to live in:

Youngster_Joey_ posted...
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Darkman124
04/30/18 8:28:17 AM
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No one likes to admit this: the coal embargo Trump got China to place on NK is probably the single biggest factor in all of this.

If there is a signature success of his administration, it was that embargo, and everything that resulted from it.

China violated it repeatedly (in secret), but you cannot break such a thing consistently while maintaining the facade. NK starved.

It is a Trump success. The man is a fool, but that was good policy.
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Chicken
04/30/18 8:28:30 AM
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Obama killed women and children and still got a peace prize.
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Tyranthraxus
04/30/18 8:29:20 AM
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ViralMoose posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
ViralMoose posted...
Doom_Art posted...
I mean that's nice of Moon to say but I think he deserves it over Trump. He did all the actual work.

Call me partisan but I don't really think this was all tje intended effect of Trumps harsh rhetoric earlier this year

If you ever thought that nuclear war could be caused by tweets, you need to go outside more.

I don't follow this logic.

What's the difference between communication via the internet and communication via speaking or letters?

Nothing. But personal attacks alone won't cause a nuclear war and never would have.


Seeing as there has never been a nuclear war in all recorded history it's difficult to predict what will / will not cause one in the future.

You might as well say nothing will ever cause a nuclear war because it's the closest thing to the truth as there is too much at stake on the planet to resort to such desolate tactics.
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UnfairRepresent
04/30/18 8:29:48 AM
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ViralMoose posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
ViralMoose posted...
Doom_Art posted...
I mean that's nice of Moon to say but I think he deserves it over Trump. He did all the actual work.

Call me partisan but I don't really think this was all tje intended effect of Trumps harsh rhetoric earlier this year

If you ever thought that nuclear war could be caused by tweets, you need to go outside more.

I don't follow this logic.

What's the difference between communication via the internet and communication via speaking or letters?

Nothing. But personal attacks alone won't cause a nuclear war and never would have.

What a silly statement.

Nothing has ever caused a nuclear war as we have not had one.

But I don't agree that bad diplomacy can't cause one. Especially as people getting nuclear weapons is no longer a question of if but when.

Give radical Muslims a nuke and make slights about Allah and then see what follows.

I see no reason why people in power being assholes can not be a prelude to war and the history of the planet kinda dictactes the opposite.
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D-Lo_BrownTown
04/30/18 8:30:13 AM
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I think Big Smoke should get the peace prize, myself.

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Darkman124
04/30/18 8:31:06 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
ViralMoose posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
ViralMoose posted...
Doom_Art posted...
I mean that's nice of Moon to say but I think he deserves it over Trump. He did all the actual work.

Call me partisan but I don't really think this was all tje intended effect of Trumps harsh rhetoric earlier this year

If you ever thought that nuclear war could be caused by tweets, you need to go outside more.

I don't follow this logic.

What's the difference between communication via the internet and communication via speaking or letters?

Nothing. But personal attacks alone won't cause a nuclear war and never would have.


Seeing as there has never been a nuclear war in all recorded history it's difficult to predict what will / will not cause one in the future.

You might as well say nothing will ever cause a nuclear war because it's the closest thing to the truth as there is too much at stake on the planet to resort to such desolate tactics.


Rather than this discussion I suggest pointing to Nikita Krushchev's UN speech and the famous line "We will bury you."

It was one of the closest points to nuclear war the US and USSR ever reached. And this was before the Cuban Missile Crisis.
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Coffeebeanz
04/30/18 8:32:24 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
ViralMoose posted...
Will Democrats now admit that he deserves one?

Obama didn't deserve one. Trump definitely doesn't deserve one.


Trump deserves one more than Obama if Korean reunification actually happens and they credit him for it.
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tremain07
04/30/18 8:32:44 AM
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I thought the NPP was a joke when Obama got one for being black and winning an election conservatives, why is it suddenly meaningful again now that the dumbass in chief gets one just for not shitting himself? Why do people give Trumps props for not being a piece of shit every once and a while all the fucking time? It's stupid and just shows that his erratic behavior is justifiable as long as once in a blue moon something good actually happens under him, when did standards become that small for the goddamn president?

Oh, and you people who suddenly think this makes Trump a good guy and absolves all his past nonsense, you're the worst people in this country, I hope you realize that.
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ViralMoose
04/30/18 8:33:09 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Seeing as there has never been a nuclear war in all recorded history it's difficult to predict what will / will not cause one in the future.

You might as well say nothing will ever cause a nuclear war because it's the closest thing to the truth as there is too much at stake on the planet to resort to such desolate tactics.

UnfairRepresent posted...

What a silly statement.

Nothing has ever caused a nuclear war as we have not had one.

But I don't agree that bad diplomacy can't cause one. Especially as people getting nuclear weapons is no longer a question of if but when.

If either of you knew any Cold War history, you'd know that there was plenty of nasty things said back and forth. No nuclear war.
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Darkman124
04/30/18 8:33:33 AM
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Coffeebeanz posted...

Trump deserves one more than Obama if Korean reunification actually happens and they credit him for it.


idk why people are talking reunification

this is an end to a 60 year state of war

not reunification

literally anytime someone uses the word 'unify' with this i roll my eyes
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Irony
04/30/18 8:34:38 AM
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The dudes that created the lobotomy got the Nobel Prize and the people that award the prize refuse to rescind it despite it basically being a cruel and unusual punishment.
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KiwiTerraRizing
04/30/18 8:35:07 AM
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No he doesnt, Im a big Obama supporter and I admit he had no business winning one either.
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ViralMoose
04/30/18 8:39:27 AM
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Darkman124 posted...
idk why people are talking reunification

this is an end to a 60 year state of war

I'm pretty sure the Nobel Peace prize is supposed to go to people who promote peace. Ending a state of war between two other countries seems to be exactly the parameters required for the prize.

Irony posted...
The dudes that created the lobotomy got the Nobel Prize and the people that award the prize refuse to rescind it despite it basically being a cruel and unusual punishment.

I don't think the lobotomy guy got a Nobel Peace prize. There are other Nobel prizes.
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voldothegr8
04/30/18 8:41:40 AM
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Moon has no idea how many liberals he triggered with that statement lmao
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Darkman124
04/30/18 8:41:42 AM
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ViralMoose posted...
I'm pretty sure the Nobel Peace prize is supposed to go to people who promote peace. Ending a state of war between two other countries seems to be exactly the parameters required for the prize.


i am not arguing against whether he deserves the prize. i am at most neutral on that subject.

i am arguing against those who think 'unification' is an accurate assessment of the situation.
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ViralMoose
04/30/18 8:43:02 AM
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Darkman124 posted...
ViralMoose posted...
I'm pretty sure the Nobel Peace prize is supposed to go to people who promote peace. Ending a state of war between two other countries seems to be exactly the parameters required for the prize.


i am not arguing against whether he deserves the prize. i am at most neutral on that subject.

i am arguing against those who think 'unification' is an accurate assessment of the situation.

I think countries ending a state of war after several decades can be calling unifying. The word doesn't necessarily mean they will become one Korea.
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Darkman124
04/30/18 8:43:44 AM
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ViralMoose posted...
I think countries ending a state of war after several decades can be calling unifying.


Really, would you describe the Camp David Accords as unification of Israel and Egypt?
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Smashingpmkns
04/30/18 8:44:33 AM
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I couldn't care less what kind of participation trophy they provide Trump as long as it gets him to shut the fuck up.
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Coffeebeanz
04/30/18 8:44:49 AM
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Darkman124 posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...

Trump deserves one more than Obama if Korean reunification actually happens and they credit him for it.


idk why people are talking reunification

this is an end to a 60 year state of war

not reunification

literally anytime someone uses the word 'unify' with this i roll my eyes


I meant to imply that what I was saying was wishful thinking hyperbole, but it came across as too understated.
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Coffeebeanz
04/30/18 8:45:34 AM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
I couldn't care less what kind of participation trophy they provide Trump as long as it gets him to shut the fuck up.


Trump winning the NPP definitely would do the exact opposite.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
04/30/18 8:46:24 AM
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"Bomb the shit out of them."
"Torture and worse."
"Kill their families too."
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Tmaster148
04/30/18 8:46:31 AM
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Darkman124 posted...
No one likes to admit this: the coal embargo Trump got China to place on NK is probably the single biggest factor in all of this.

If there is a signature success of his administration, it was that embargo, and everything that resulted from it.

China violated it repeatedly (in secret), but you cannot break such a thing consistently while maintaining the facade. NK starved.

It is a Trump success. The man is a fool, but that was good policy.


You are the first person I've seen to actually say what Trump's part was.
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Darkman124
04/30/18 8:46:50 AM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
I meant to imply that what I was saying was wishful thinking hyperbole, but it came across as too understated.


understand.

i was too harsh towards you with my post anyway--more a reaction to topics like iClockwork's

Tmaster148 posted...
You are the first person I've seen to actually say what Trump's part was.


probably because i'm interested in policy
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ViralMoose
04/30/18 8:47:34 AM
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Tmaster148 posted...
Darkman124 posted...
No one likes to admit this: the coal embargo Trump got China to place on NK is probably the single biggest factor in all of this.

If there is a signature success of his administration, it was that embargo, and everything that resulted from it.

China violated it repeatedly (in secret), but you cannot break such a thing consistently while maintaining the facade. NK starved.

It is a Trump success. The man is a fool, but that was good policy.


You are the first person I've seen to actually say what Trump's part was.

I think you need to pay more attention to the news then
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Darkman124
04/30/18 8:48:01 AM
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ViralMoose posted...
I think you need to pay more attention to the news then


tbh, news coverage of the NK coal embargo was fairly limited. it was touched on, but the relative reliance of the NK economy on coal mining is very understated

it's about 70% of their entire economy. china is the recipient of ~90% of their coal.

imo present news coverage on this subject has been two ways, both wrong.

right wing: "Trump scared NK into making peace!"

left wing: "Trump did nothing, he just tweeted!"

none of this has anything to do with what was posted to twitter.
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04/30/18 8:48:33 AM
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The nightmare gets worse for liberals every day.
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Tmaster148
04/30/18 8:48:40 AM
#43:


ViralMoose posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
Darkman124 posted...
No one likes to admit this: the coal embargo Trump got China to place on NK is probably the single biggest factor in all of this.

If there is a signature success of his administration, it was that embargo, and everything that resulted from it.

China violated it repeatedly (in secret), but you cannot break such a thing consistently while maintaining the facade. NK starved.

It is a Trump success. The man is a fool, but that was good policy.


You are the first person I've seen to actually say what Trump's part was.

I think you need to pay more attention to the news then


I'm referring to here.
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wah_wah_wah
04/30/18 8:48:41 AM
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I guess if Kissinger can win the prize then the bar is so incredibly low already.
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Gunvalkyrie2
04/30/18 8:51:31 AM
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Awesome posted...
The nightmare gets worse for liberals every day.

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utarefson
04/30/18 9:03:03 AM
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I do not like Trump. I think he is an incompetent lying bufoon....but if Trump is genuinely influential in a possible solution to North Korea then I would give him credit where it is due. I would rather he succeeded at this than failed, for all our sakes.

We don't know the conversations that have happened behind closed doors and it could be that somehow a crazy guy like Trump somehow got through to Kim. I will wait before passing judgement until we see actual and genuine progress...its much too early to be talking about Nobel prizes..and setting off fireworks and celebrating far too early.
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Shuto-uke
04/30/18 9:03:30 AM
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ViralMoose posted...
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-northkorea-southkorea-trump/trump-should-win-the-nobel-peace-prize-says-south-koreas-moon-idUKKBN1I10O8

President Trump should win the Nobel Peace Prize. What we need is only peace, Moon told a meeting of senior secretaries, according to a presidential Blue House official who briefed media.

Moon and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un on Friday pledged to end hostilities between the two countries and work towards the complete denuclearisation of the Korean peninsula in the first inter-Korean summit in more than a decade.

Trump is preparing for his own summit with Kim, which he said would take place in the next three to four weeks.

That upcoming meeting was the main subject of a private walk and chat that Kim and Moon had during their meeting at the border, the official said.

In January, Moon said Trump deserves big credit for bringing about the inter-Korean talks. It could be a resulting work of the U.S.-led sanctions and pressure.

Moons Nobel Prize comment came in response to a congratulatory message from Lee Hee-ho, the widow of late South Korean President Kim Dae-jung, in which she said Moon deserved to win the prize in recognition of his efforts, the Blue House official said.

Moon responded by saying Trump should get it.


Will Democrats now admit that he deserves one?


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UnfairRepresent
04/30/18 9:05:33 AM
#48:


Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
"Bomb the shit out of them."
"Torture and worse."
"Kill their families too."

If it makes peace.

Do you care about words more than actions?

Obama was the drone strike king
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Distant_Rainbow
04/30/18 9:05:33 AM
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Nobody deserves anything for a fragile pretense of peace that will break down in a few years with nothing to show for it.

But hey, the Peace Prize is a colossal joke from the fact that they gave it to Obama, and the last time talks like this happened where old DJ got it. Maybe Moon, Trump and Kim do deserve it on second thought.
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Irony
04/30/18 9:06:51 AM
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ViralMoose posted...
Darkman124 posted...
idk why people are talking reunification

this is an end to a 60 year state of war

I'm pretty sure the Nobel Peace prize is supposed to go to people who promote peace. Ending a state of war between two other countries seems to be exactly the parameters required for the prize.

Irony posted...
The dudes that created the lobotomy got the Nobel Prize and the people that award the prize refuse to rescind it despite it basically being a cruel and unusual punishment.

I don't think the lobotomy guy got a Nobel Peace prize. There are other Nobel prizes.

That's why I didn't include Peace. It's the same organization that awards all of the prizes.
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