Current Events > Iowa governor and human being signs fetal 'heartbeat bill' into law

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UnfairRepresent 05/05/18 7:37:11 AM #1:	Iowa Gov. Kim Reynolds on Friday signed off on a law banning most abortions if a fetal heartbeat can be detected, or at about six weeks of pregnancy, The Associated Press reported. The restriction is the strictest abortion regulation in the nation, the AP said. It also said passage and enactment of the measure has set the state up for a protracted legal fight. The State House passed the legislation on Tuesday night with a 51-46 vote, Iowa Public Radio reported. It was debated for more than eight hours before House representatives decided on it. The bill passed the Senate early Wednesday with a 27-19 vote. The legislation bans abortion in all cases after six weeks of pregnancy, which critics of the legislation argue is before most women are aware they are pregnant. Up until now, a woman has been able to get an abortion in Iowa up to her 20th week. However, the measure would not ban abortion after six weeks in all cases -- some exemptions include instances of rape, incest, fetal abnormalities or to save the mothers life. Full Article: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/04/iowa-governor-signs-fetal-heartbeat-bill-into-law.html If your mother had aborted you, you wouldn't exist today. Does that influence your opinion at all? --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:900831701] in Iowa gover... [t:76580265]...</cite> <quote>Iowa Gov. Kim Reynolds on Friday signed off on a law banning most abortions if a fetal heartbeat can be detected, or at about six weeks of pregnancy, The Associated Press reported. The restriction is the strictest abortion regulation in the nation, the AP said. It also said passage and enactment of the measure has set the state up for a protracted legal fight. The State House passed the legislation on Tuesday night with a 51-46 vote, Iowa Public Radio reported. It was debated for more than eight hours before House representatives decided on it. The bill passed the Senate early Wednesday with a 27-19 vote. The legislation bans abortion in all cases after six weeks of pregnancy, which critics of the legislation argue is before most women are aware they are pregnant. Up until now, a woman has been able to get an abortion in Iowa up to her 20th week. However, the measure would not ban abortion after six weeks in all cases -- some exemptions include instances of rape, incest, fetal abnormalities or to save the mothers life. Full Article: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/04/iowa-governor-signs-fetal-heartbeat-bill-into-law.html If your mother had aborted you, you wouldn't exist today. Does that influence your opinion at all?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KiwiTerraRizing 05/05/18 7:38:53 AM #2:	Im so pissed off what the alt right has done to Iowa. --- The FAM <cite>KiwiTerraRizing posted [p:900831740] in Iowa gover... [t:76580265]...</cite> <quote>Im so pissed off what the alt right has done to Iowa.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 05/05/18 7:41:05 AM #3:	UnfairRepresent posted... If your mother had aborted you, you wouldn't exist today. Does that influence your opinion at all? No. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:900831780] in Iowa gover... [t:76580265]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>If your mother had aborted you, you wouldn't exist today. Does that influence your opinion at all? </quote> No.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HitTheGroundWal 05/05/18 7:41:53 AM #4:	I mean, 6 weeks isn't even necessarily enough time for someone to find out they're pregnant unless they're super cautious. That's only like one missed period, which just happens sometimes regardless. To some more than others. --- It's supposed to be HitTheGroundWalking. <cite>HitTheGroundWal posted [p:900831799] in Iowa gover... [t:76580265]...</cite> <quote>I mean, 6 weeks isn't even necessarily enough time for someone to find out they're pregnant unless they're super cautious. That's only like one missed period, which just happens sometimes regardless. To some more than others.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wackyteen 05/05/18 7:48:26 AM #5:	Government so small it fits into your womb, listening to your unborn child's heartbeat --- The name is wackyteen* for a reason. Never doubt. *No longer teen <cite>wackyteen posted [p:900831918] in Iowa gover... [t:76580265]...</cite> <quote>Government so small it fits into your womb, listening to your unborn child's heartbeat</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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wackyteen 05/05/18 7:53:52 AM #7:	What I don't get it is why these red states all want sex to be this... punishment. On top of that they don't want to tell anybody about sex. They don't want to educate. They sure as hell don't want to provide contraception (to teens). They want to punish you for the strongest, deepest set driving force your body knows (the urge to reproduce and pass on your traits). It's disgusting --- The name is wackyteen* for a reason. Never doubt. *No longer teen <cite>wackyteen posted [p:900832013] in Iowa gover... [t:76580265]...</cite> <quote>What I don't get it is why these red states all want sex to be this... punishment. On top of that they don't want to tell anybody about sex. They don't want to educate. They sure as hell don't want to provide contraception (to teens). They want to punish you for the strongest, deepest set driving force your body knows (the urge to reproduce and pass on your traits). It's disgusting</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/05/18 7:55:26 AM #8:	wackyteen posted... What I don't get it is why these red states all want sex to be this... punishment. On top of that they don't want to tell anybody about sex. They don't want to educate. They sure as hell don't want to provide contraception (to teens). They want to punish you for the strongest, deepest set driving force your body knows (to urge to reproduce and pass on your traits). It's disgusting Sex outside of marriage for the purpose of recreation is believed to be a sin among many if not most Judeo-Christian/God of Abraham religions. Followers don't want to encourage it. Even if not encouraging it makes it happen more, they don't care. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:900832040] in Iowa gover... [t:76580265]...</cite> <quote><cite>wackyteen posted...</cite> <quote>What I don't get it is why these red states all want sex to be this... punishment. On top of that they don't want to tell anybody about sex. They don't want to educate. They sure as hell don't want to provide contraception (to teens). They want to punish you for the strongest, deepest set driving force your body knows (to urge to reproduce and pass on your traits). It's disgusting</quote> Sex outside of marriage for the purpose of recreation is believed to be a sin among many if not most Judeo-Christian/God of Abraham religions. Followers don't want to encourage it. Even if not encouraging it makes it happen more, they don't care.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smallville 05/05/18 8:04:54 AM #9:	JE19426 posted... UnfairRepresent posted... If your mother had aborted you, you wouldn't exist today. Does that influence your opinion at all? No. why do lots of "pro birth" people make this stupid argument? if you mother had?, like just saying that wins the abortion argument in their favor. What about the insande practice of denying women abortions but at the same time eliminating stuff like wic and food stamps and head start etc.........? now that's insane. And also being against informing younger people about sex ed and contraception etc........ --- "I've always wanted there to be nothing between us. Now there's not"----smallville <cite>Smallville posted [p:900832202] in Iowa gover... [t:76580265]...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>If your mother had aborted you, you wouldn't exist today. Does that influence your opinion at all? </quote> No.</quote> why do lots of "pro birth" people make this stupid argument? if you mother had?, like just saying that wins the abortion argument in their favor. What about the insande practice of denying women abortions but at the same time eliminating stuff like wic and food stamps and head start etc.........? now that's insane. And also being against informing younger people about sex ed and contraception etc........</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/05/18 8:07:25 AM #10:	Smallville posted... What about the insande practice of denying women abortions but at the same time eliminating stuff like wic and food stamps and head start etc.........? now that's insane. That's just ... conservatism dude. The idea that the government shouldn't be responsible for paying your way --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:900832252] in Iowa gover... [t:76580265]...</cite> <quote><cite>Smallville posted...</cite> <quote> What about the insande practice of denying women abortions but at the same time eliminating stuff like wic and food stamps and head start etc.........? now that's insane.</quote> That's just ... conservatism dude. The idea that the government shouldn't be responsible for paying your way</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smallville 05/05/18 8:09:43 AM #11:	UnfairRepresent posted... Smallville posted... What about the insande practice of denying women abortions but at the same time eliminating stuff like wic and food stamps and head start etc.........? now that's insane. That's just ... conservatism dude. The idea that the government shouldn't be responsible for paying your way yeah so what? you don't see a problem with this? --- "I've always wanted there to be nothing between us. Now there's not"----smallville <cite>Smallville posted [p:900832288] in Iowa gover... [t:76580265]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Smallville posted...</cite> <quote> What about the insande practice of denying women abortions but at the same time eliminating stuff like wic and food stamps and head start etc.........? now that's insane.</quote> That's just ... conservatism dude. The idea that the government shouldn't be responsible for paying your way</quote> yeah so what? you don't see a problem with this?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/05/18 8:11:02 AM #12:	Smallville posted... UnfairRepresent posted... Smallville posted... What about the insande practice of denying women abortions but at the same time eliminating stuff like wic and food stamps and head start etc.........? now that's insane. That's just ... conservatism dude. The idea that the government shouldn't be responsible for paying your way yeah so what? you don't see a problem with this? Well I'm pro choice so clearly I do. But I don't just declare 40+ million insane for being pro small government --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:900832319] in Iowa gover... [t:76580265]...</cite> <quote><cite>Smallville posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Smallville posted...</cite> <quote> What about the insande practice of denying women abortions but at the same time eliminating stuff like wic and food stamps and head start etc.........? now that's insane.</quote> That's just ... conservatism dude. The idea that the government shouldn't be responsible for paying your way</quote> yeah so what? you don't see a problem with this?</quote> Well I'm pro choice so clearly I do. But I don't just declare 40+ million insane for being pro small government</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smallville 05/05/18 8:15:42 AM #13:	UnfairRepresent posted... Smallville posted... UnfairRepresent posted... Smallville posted... What about the insande practice of denying women abortions but at the same time eliminating stuff like wic and food stamps and head start etc.........? now that's insane. That's just ... conservatism dude. The idea that the government shouldn't be responsible for paying your way yeah so what? you don't see a problem with this? Well I'm pro choice so clearly I do. But I don't just declare 40+ million insane for being pro small government no not really, so small government also includes sticking your noses in other peoples business and telling them they can't have an abortion? that isn't small government, that's hypocisy. Small government, might be taking all that shit away, but it's still crazy. --- "I've always wanted there to be nothing between us. Now there's not"----smallville <cite>Smallville posted [p:900832426] in Iowa gover... [t:76580265]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Smallville posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Smallville posted...</cite> <quote> What about the insande practice of denying women abortions but at the same time eliminating stuff like wic and food stamps and head start etc.........? now that's insane.</quote> That's just ... conservatism dude. The idea that the government shouldn't be responsible for paying your way</quote> yeah so what? you don't see a problem with this?</quote> Well I'm pro choice so clearly I do. But I don't just declare 40+ million insane for being pro small government</quote> no not really, so small government also includes sticking your noses in other peoples business and telling them they can't have an abortion? that isn't small government, that's hypocisy. Small government, might be taking all that shit away, but it's still crazy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/05/18 8:17:54 AM #14:	Smallville posted... no not really, so small government also includes sticking your noses in other peoples business and telling them they can't have an abortion? that isn't small government, that's hypocisy. Only if you assume abortion isn't killing a soul, aka murder. Aka within the Small Government's prerogative. Which is what the entire debate is over You wouldn't accept small government as an excuse for it being acceptable to kill babies. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:900832475] in Iowa gover... [t:76580265]...</cite> <quote><cite>Smallville posted...</cite> <quote> no not really, so small government also includes sticking your noses in other peoples business and telling them they can't have an abortion? that isn't small government, that's hypocisy. </quote> Only if you assume abortion isn't killing a soul, aka murder. Aka within the Small Government's prerogative. Which is what the entire debate is over You wouldn't accept small government as an excuse for it being acceptable to kill babies.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smallville 05/05/18 8:21:33 AM #15:	UnfairRepresent posted... Smallville posted... no not really, so small government also includes sticking your noses in other peoples business and telling them they can't have an abortion? that isn't small government, that's hypocisy. Only if you assume abortion isn't killing a soul, aka murder. Aka within the Small Government's prerogative. Which is what the entire debate is over You wouldn't accept small government as an excuse for it being acceptable to kill babies. yeah so what? but i don't believe it's murder, losers, taking all that shit away from those kids also. You're completely pro choice? --- "I've always wanted there to be nothing between us. Now there's not"----smallville <cite>Smallville posted [p:900832559] in Iowa gover... [t:76580265]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Smallville posted...</cite> <quote> no not really, so small government also includes sticking your noses in other peoples business and telling them they can't have an abortion? that isn't small government, that's hypocisy. </quote> Only if you assume abortion isn't killing a soul, aka murder. Aka within the Small Government's prerogative. Which is what the entire debate is over You wouldn't accept small government as an excuse for it being acceptable to kill babies.</quote> yeah so what? but i don't believe it's murder, losers, taking all that shit away from those kids also. You're completely pro choice?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/05/18 8:28:06 AM #16:	Smallville posted... yeah so what? but i don't believe it's murder, Then it's kinda dumb to be angry at people who do for considering murder and handouts to be imcomparable. You're completely pro choice? Completely is a hell of a loaded word. So I'd have to say no considering the literal sense. A mom pregnant with twins 9.5 months into pregnancy shouldn't get an abortion. But I don't believe in the soul and considering a fetus can't feel pain until 20 weeks into pregnancy (and even that is highly debatable) and is not coherant or aware. I find it hard pressed to see a valid argument against it. "You're preventing a potential life from existing" as an argument would also exclude male masturbation and no one cares. The "Soul" is just a weak justification to push religion. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:900832714] in Iowa gover... [t:76580265]...</cite> <quote><cite>Smallville posted...</cite> <quote> yeah so what? but i don't believe it's murder, </quote> Then it's kinda dumb to be angry at people who do for considering murder and handouts to be imcomparable. <quote> You're completely pro choice?</quote> Completely is a hell of a loaded word. So I'd have to say no considering the literal sense. A mom pregnant with twins 9.5 months into pregnancy shouldn't get an abortion. But I don't believe in the soul and considering a fetus can't feel pain until 20 weeks into pregnancy (and even that is highly debatable) and is not coherant or aware. I find it hard pressed to see a valid argument against it. "You're preventing a potential life from existing" as an argument would also exclude male masturbation and no one cares. The "Soul" is just a weak justification to push religion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePieReborn 05/05/18 8:30:56 AM #17:	HitTheGroundWal posted... I mean, 6 weeks isn't even necessarily enough time for someone to find out they're pregnant unless they're super cautious. That's only like one missed period, which just happens sometimes regardless. To some more than others. Indeed. My friend's wife just found out she was pregnant at week 11-12ish, I think? Methinks this law crosses into undue burden territory just on that basis, and none of the dissenters in Whole Women's Health v. Hellerstedt were gungho on turning back the clock on the whole right to privacy/bodily integrity schtick. --- Party leader, passive-aggressive doormat, pasta eater extraordinaire! <cite>ThePieReborn posted [p:900832777] in Iowa gover... [t:76580265]...</cite> <quote><cite>HitTheGroundWal posted...</cite> <quote>I mean, 6 weeks isn't even necessarily enough time for someone to find out they're pregnant unless they're super cautious. That's only like one missed period, which just happens sometimes regardless. To some more than others.</quote> Indeed. My friend's wife just found out she was pregnant at week 11-12ish, I think? Methinks this law crosses into undue burden territory just on that basis, and none of the dissenters in Whole Women's Health v. Hellerstedt were gungho on turning back the clock on the whole right to privacy/bodily integrity schtick.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smallville 05/05/18 8:31:02 AM #18:	UnfairRepresent posted... Smallville posted... yeah so what? but i don't believe it's murder, Then it's kinda dumb to be angry at people who do for considering murder and handouts to be imcomparable. You're completely pro choice? Completely is a hell of a loaded word. So I'd have to say no considering the literal sense. A mom pregnant with twins 9.5 months into pregnancy shouldn't get an abortion. But I don't believe in the soul and considering a fetus can't feel pain until 20 weeks into pregnancy (and even that is highly debatable) and is not coherant or aware. I find it hard pressed to see a valid argument against it. "You're preventing a potential life from existing" as an argument would also exclude male masturbation and no one cares. The "Soul" is just a weak justification to push religion. no it really isn't dumb, that's just your opinion and no one elses. 40+ million you said? you think most americans don't have a problem with this insane practice? --- "I've always wanted there to be nothing between us. Now there's not"----smallville <cite>Smallville posted [p:900832782] in Iowa gover... [t:76580265]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Smallville posted...</cite> <quote> yeah so what? but i don't believe it's murder, </quote> Then it's kinda dumb to be angry at people who do for considering murder and handouts to be imcomparable. <quote> You're completely pro choice?</quote> Completely is a hell of a loaded word. So I'd have to say no considering the literal sense. A mom pregnant with twins 9.5 months into pregnancy shouldn't get an abortion. But I don't believe in the soul and considering a fetus can't feel pain until 20 weeks into pregnancy (and even that is highly debatable) and is not coherant or aware. I find it hard pressed to see a valid argument against it. "You're preventing a potential life from existing" as an argument would also exclude male masturbation and no one cares. The "Soul" is just a weak justification to push religion.</quote> no it really isn't dumb, that's just your opinion and no one elses. 40+ million you said? you think most americans don't have a problem with this insane practice?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/05/18 8:33:24 AM #19:	Smallville posted... 40+ million you said? you think most americans don't have a problem with this insane practice? Most conservatives and nearly all practicing Christians oppose it. Many even in cases of rape and incest and some even in cases of mother's health. I'd be surprised if it was only 40 million. I just picked that because its roughly the amount that voted for Trump. Never assume that because you believe something, it means everyone else does. "Most Americans" can still oppose a process that 40+ million support. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:900832826] in Iowa gover... [t:76580265]...</cite> <quote><cite>Smallville posted...</cite> <quote>40+ million you said? you think most americans don't have a problem with this insane practice?</quote> Most conservatives and nearly all practicing Christians oppose it. Many even in cases of rape and incest and some even in cases of mother's health. I'd be surprised if it was only 40 million. I just picked that because its roughly the amount that voted for Trump. Never assume that because you believe something, it means everyone else does. "Most Americans" can still oppose a process that 40+ million support.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smallville 05/05/18 8:35:21 AM #20:	yeah even in cases of rape and incest etc.......do you oppose it in these cases also? --- "I've always wanted there to be nothing between us. Now there's not"----smallville <cite>Smallville posted [p:900832879] in Iowa gover... [t:76580265]...</cite> <quote>yeah even in cases of rape and incest etc.......do you oppose it in these cases also?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/05/18 8:38:12 AM #21:	wut? I'm pro choice. Are you even reading the posts? --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:900832944] in Iowa gover... [t:76580265]...</cite> <quote>wut? I'm pro choice. Are you even reading the posts?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smallville 05/05/18 8:41:16 AM #22:	are you religious at all? --- "I've always wanted there to be nothing between us. Now there's not"----smallville <cite>Smallville posted [p:900833010] in Iowa gover... [t:76580265]...</cite> <quote>are you religious at all?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/05/18 8:43:06 AM #23:	Are you a bot? --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:900833046] in Iowa gover... [t:76580265]...</cite> <quote>Are you a bot?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smallville 05/05/18 8:45:08 AM #24:	UnfairRepresent posted... Are you a bot? man shut up dude, you were alright before and making sense before you've been put on ignore. --- "I've always wanted there to be nothing between us. Now there's not"----smallville <cite>Smallville posted [p:900833096] in Iowa gover... [t:76580265]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>Are you a bot?</quote> man shut up dude, you were alright before and making sense before you've been put on ignore.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smallville 05/05/18 9:00:05 AM #25:	the tc is a liar, he claims he's pro choice but read his stupid comments in this topic and you'll realize what he really thinks. --- "I've always wanted there to be nothing between us. Now there's not"----smallville <cite>Smallville posted [p:900833442] in Iowa gover... [t:76580265]...</cite> <quote>the tc is a liar, he claims he's pro choice but read his stupid comments in this topic and you'll realize what he really thinks.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
R_Jackal 05/05/18 9:28:19 AM #26:	I've seen the fucked up shit people can do when they're forced to have kids they don't want. Adoption is typically the last thing going through their minds, set aside to bitter hatred usually directed at the child. Abortion in these cases is a godsend. <cite>R_Jackal posted [p:900834122] in Iowa gover... [t:76580265]...</cite> <quote>I've seen the fucked up shit people can do when they're forced to have kids they don't want. Adoption is typically the last thing going through their minds, set aside to bitter hatred usually directed at the child. Abortion in these cases is a godsend.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smallville 05/05/18 9:30:23 AM #27:	R_Jackal posted... I've seen the fucked up shit people can do when they're forced to have kids they don't want. Adoption is typically the last thing going through their minds, set aside to bitter hatred usually directed at the child. no shit, the foster care system in the u.s. also has many many kids that go unadopted, so much for the, adoption is the answer. --- "I've always wanted there to be nothing between us. Now there's not"----smallville <cite>Smallville posted [p:900834178] in Iowa gover... [t:76580265]...</cite> <quote><cite>R_Jackal posted...</cite> <quote>I've seen the fucked up shit people can do when they're forced to have kids they don't want. Adoption is typically the last thing going through their minds, set aside to bitter hatred usually directed at the child.</quote> no shit, the foster care system in the u.s. also has many many kids that go unadopted, so much for the, adoption is the answer.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
clearaflagrantj 05/05/18 9:30:27 AM #28:	I'm all for destroying all fetusus <cite>clearaflagrantj posted [p:900834181] in Iowa gover... [t:76580265]...</cite> <quote>I'm all for destroying all fetusus</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 05/05/18 9:33:11 AM #29:	UnfairRepresent posted... A mom pregnant with twins 9.5 months into pregnancy shouldn't get an abortion. She can't. Like actually can't. It's not an abortion at that point. They will just induce labor and then the kids will go into foster care. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:900834236] in Iowa gover... [t:76580265]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>A mom pregnant with twins 9.5 months into pregnancy shouldn't get an abortion.</quote> She can't. Like actually can't. It's not an abortion at that point. They will just induce labor and then the kids will go into foster care.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tennisdude818 05/05/18 9:47:49 AM #30:	Smallville posted... What about the insande practice of denying women abortions but at the same time eliminating stuff like wic and food stamps and head start etc.........? now that's insane. This can be explained by showing the difference between positive rights and negative rights, assuming the unborn deserves human rights, as pro life people believe they do. Negative rights represent your right to be safe from outside aggression (theft, rape, murder). This is what small government proponents believe in. Positive rights are accepted by leftists. Those represent rights to goods and services provided by the government. They can't coexist with negative rights, because when the government redistributes wealth it has to violate the negative rights of one group to honor the positive rights of another. In practice, this means that a small government proponent favors a voluntary and peaceful method of helping poor parents rather than turning to government initiated theft. The fact that single motherhood skyrocketed with the growth of the welfare state seems to confirm the pattern that violent solutions lead to unintended consequences. --- "I have never understood why it is greed to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money." Thomas Sowell <cite>tennisdude818 posted [p:900834588] in Iowa gover... [t:76580265]...</cite> <quote><cite>Smallville posted...</cite> <quote>What about the insande practice of denying women abortions but at the same time eliminating stuff like wic and food stamps and head start etc.........? now that's insane.</quote> This can be explained by showing the difference between positive rights and negative rights, assuming the unborn deserves human rights, as pro life people believe they do. Negative rights represent your right to be safe from outside aggression (theft, rape, murder). This is what small government proponents believe in. Positive rights are accepted by leftists. Those represent rights to goods and services provided by the government. They can't coexist with negative rights, because when the government redistributes wealth it has to violate the negative rights of one group to honor the positive rights of another. In practice, this means that a small government proponent favors a voluntary and peaceful method of helping poor parents rather than turning to government initiated theft. The fact that single motherhood skyrocketed with the growth of the welfare state seems to confirm the pattern that violent solutions lead to unintended consequences.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/05/18 9:48:18 AM #31:	Tyranthraxus posted... UnfairRepresent posted... A mom pregnant with twins 9.5 months into pregnancy shouldn't get an abortion. She can't. Like actually can't. It's not an abortion at that point. They will just induce labor and then the kids will go into foster care. Ok? But my point was the question was Smallville posted... You're completely pro choice? Which is a loaded as fuck gotcha question. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:900834602] in Iowa gover... [t:76580265]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>A mom pregnant with twins 9.5 months into pregnancy shouldn't get an abortion.</quote> She can't. Like actually can't. It's not an abortion at that point. They will just induce labor and then the kids will go into foster care.</quote> Ok? But my point was the question was <cite>Smallville posted...</cite> <quote>You're completely pro choice?</quote> Which is a loaded as fuck gotcha question.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 05/05/18 9:52:15 AM #32:	Smallville posted... the tc is a liar, he claims he's pro choice but read his stupid comments in this topic and you'll realize what he really thinks. Well I mean all he does is argue and be a contrarian. --- http://i.imgur.com/bbRWLI8.gif https://i.imgur.com/A0BErSV.jpg <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:900834693] in Iowa gover... [t:76580265]...</cite> <quote><cite>Smallville posted...</cite> <quote>the tc is a liar, he claims he's pro choice but read his stupid comments in this topic and you'll realize what he really thinks.</quote> Well I mean all he does is argue and be a contrarian.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HitTheGroundWal 05/05/18 11:08:43 AM #33:	ThePieReborn posted... HitTheGroundWal posted... I mean, 6 weeks isn't even necessarily enough time for someone to find out they're pregnant unless they're super cautious. That's only like one missed period, which just happens sometimes regardless. To some more than others. Indeed. My friend's wife just found out she was pregnant at week 11-12ish, I think? Methinks this law crosses into undue burden territory just on that basis, and none of the dissenters in Whole Women's Health v. Hellerstedt were gungho on turning back the clock on the whole right to privacy/bodily integrity schtick. I dunno much about undue burden, but I'm guessing it means it's placing a lot of extra burden on women to constantly take pregnancy tests or something? Yikes, especially for someone with irregular periods, it'd be even more difficult then. --- It's supposed to be HitTheGroundWalking. <cite>HitTheGroundWal posted [p:900837025] in Iowa gover... [t:76580265]...</cite> <quote><cite>ThePieReborn posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HitTheGroundWal posted...</cite> <quote>I mean, 6 weeks isn't even necessarily enough time for someone to find out they're pregnant unless they're super cautious. That's only like one missed period, which just happens sometimes regardless. To some more than others.</quote> Indeed. My friend's wife just found out she was pregnant at week 11-12ish, I think? Methinks this law crosses into undue burden territory just on that basis, and none of the dissenters in Whole Women's Health v. Hellerstedt were gungho on turning back the clock on the whole right to privacy/bodily integrity schtick.</quote> I dunno much about undue burden, but I'm guessing it means it's placing a lot of extra burden on women to constantly take pregnancy tests or something? Yikes, especially for someone with irregular periods, it'd be even more difficult then.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 05/05/18 11:13:28 AM #34:	Fuck Iowa. This is the problem with giving a damn what people believe. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:900837198] in Iowa gover... [t:76580265]...</cite> <quote>Fuck Iowa. This is the problem with giving a damn what people believe.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 05/05/18 11:17:32 AM #35:	UnfairRepresent posted... wackyteen posted... What I don't get it is why these red states all want sex to be this... punishment. On top of that they don't want to tell anybody about sex. They don't want to educate. They sure as hell don't want to provide contraception (to teens). They want to punish you for the strongest, deepest set driving force your body knows (to urge to reproduce and pass on your traits). It's disgusting Sex outside of marriage for the purpose of recreation is believed to be a sin among many if not most Judeo-Christian/God of Abraham religions. Followers don't want to encourage it. Even if not encouraging it makes it happen more, they don't care. Which is why they are so detestable. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:900837339] in Iowa gover... [t:76580265]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wackyteen posted...</cite> <quote>What I don't get it is why these red states all want sex to be this... punishment. On top of that they don't want to tell anybody about sex. They don't want to educate. They sure as hell don't want to provide contraception (to teens). They want to punish you for the strongest, deepest set driving force your body knows (to urge to reproduce and pass on your traits). It's disgusting</quote> Sex outside of marriage for the purpose of recreation is believed to be a sin among many if not most Judeo-Christian/God of Abraham religions. Followers don't want to encourage it. Even if not encouraging it makes it happen more, they don't care.</quote> Which is why they are so detestable.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 05/05/18 11:19:53 AM #36:	UnfairRepresent posted... Smallville posted... no not really, so small government also includes sticking your noses in other peoples business and telling them they can't have an abortion? that isn't small government, that's hypocisy. Only if you assume abortion isn't killing a soul, aka murder. Aka within the Small Government's prerogative. Which is what the entire debate is over You wouldn't accept small government as an excuse for it being acceptable to kill babies. The existence of the "soul" has not been proven afaik. Is there a source on it? --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:900837430] in Iowa gover... [t:76580265]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Smallville posted...</cite> <quote> no not really, so small government also includes sticking your noses in other peoples business and telling them they can't have an abortion? that isn't small government, that's hypocisy. </quote> Only if you assume abortion isn't killing a soul, aka murder. Aka within the Small Government's prerogative. Which is what the entire debate is over You wouldn't accept small government as an excuse for it being acceptable to kill babies.</quote> The existence of the "soul" has not been proven afaik. Is there a source on it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/05/18 11:21:45 AM #37:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Is there a source on it? "The Bible says so" --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:900837504] in Iowa gover... [t:76580265]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>Is there a source on it?</quote> "The Bible says so"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DifferentialEquation 05/05/18 11:24:04 AM #38:	Get fucking rekt, liberals. You wanna take our guns? We'll take your abortions. --- There's no business to be taxed. <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:900837596] in Iowa gover... [t:76580265]...</cite> <quote>Get fucking rekt, liberals. You wanna take our guns? We'll take your abortions.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 05/05/18 11:26:49 AM #39:	UnfairRepresent posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Is there a source on it? "The Bible says so" The bible also says there is some giant fish and one can survive in its stomach for several days. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:900837688] in Iowa gover... [t:76580265]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>Is there a source on it?</quote> "The Bible says so"</quote> The bible also says there is some giant fish and one can survive in its stomach for several days.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/05/18 11:28:11 AM #40:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... UnfairRepresent posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Is there a source on it? "The Bible says so" The bible also says there is some giant fish and one can survive in its stomach for several days. That's an allegory --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:900837738] in Iowa gover... [t:76580265]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>Is there a source on it?</quote> "The Bible says so"</quote> The bible also says there is some giant fish and one can survive in its stomach for several days.</quote> That's an allegory</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Roshon 05/05/18 11:28:45 AM #41:	The party of governing our bedrooms and bodies. <cite>Roshon posted [p:900837757] in Iowa gover... [t:76580265]...</cite> <quote>The party of governing our bedrooms and bodies.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smallville 05/05/18 11:29:21 AM #42:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... UnfairRepresent posted... Smallville posted... no not really, so small government also includes sticking your noses in other peoples business and telling them they can't have an abortion? that isn't small government, that's hypocisy. Only if you assume abortion isn't killing a soul, aka murder. Aka within the Small Government's prerogative. Which is what the entire debate is over You wouldn't accept small government as an excuse for it being acceptable to kill babies. The existence of the "soul" has not been proven afaik. Is there a source on it? yeah but many many religious people don't need proof, may not be one of their strengths. --- "I've always wanted there to be nothing between us. Now there's not"----smallville <cite>Smallville posted [p:900837776] in Iowa gover... [t:76580265]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Smallville posted...</cite> <quote> no not really, so small government also includes sticking your noses in other peoples business and telling them they can't have an abortion? that isn't small government, that's hypocisy. </quote> Only if you assume abortion isn't killing a soul, aka murder. Aka within the Small Government's prerogative. Which is what the entire debate is over You wouldn't accept small government as an excuse for it being acceptable to kill babies.</quote> The existence of the "soul" has not been proven afaik. Is there a source on it?</quote> yeah but many many religious people don't need proof, may not be one of their strengths.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 05/05/18 11:29:50 AM #43:	Government so small it watches you have sex --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:900837789] in Iowa gover... [t:76580265]...</cite> <quote>Government so small it watches you have sex</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smallville 05/05/18 11:30:45 AM #44:	DifferentialEquation posted... Get fucking rekt, liberals. You wanna take our guns? We'll take your abortions. wuht? so with guns, their like, stay out of our business? but how is denying women a right to choose staying out of people's business? --- "I've always wanted there to be nothing between us. Now there's not"----smallville <cite>Smallville posted [p:900837820] in Iowa gover... [t:76580265]...</cite> <quote><cite>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote>Get fucking rekt, liberals. You wanna take our guns? We'll take your abortions.</quote> wuht? so with guns, their like, stay out of our business? but how is denying women a right to choose staying out of people's business?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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daftpunk_mk5 05/05/18 11:33:57 AM #46:	wackyteen posted... What I don't get it is why these red states all want sex to be this... punishment. On top of that they don't want to tell anybody about sex. They don't want to educate. They sure as hell don't want to provide contraception (to teens). They want to punish you for the strongest, deepest set driving force your body knows (the urge to reproduce and pass on your traits). It's disgusting Sex can lead to pregnancy??? Who knew??? What the fuck is personal responsibility anyway??? --- Some say that his voice can only be heard by cats, and that he has two sets of knees... all we know is, he's called the Stig. <cite>daftpunk_mk5 posted [p:900837938] in Iowa gover... [t:76580265]...</cite> <quote><cite>wackyteen posted...</cite> <quote>What I don't get it is why these red states all want sex to be this... punishment. On top of that they don't want to tell anybody about sex. They don't want to educate. They sure as hell don't want to provide contraception (to teens). They want to punish you for the strongest, deepest set driving force your body knows (the urge to reproduce and pass on your traits). It's disgusting</quote> Sex can lead to pregnancy??? Who knew??? What the fuck is personal responsibility anyway???</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SomeonesAlt 05/05/18 11:35:01 AM #47:	daftpunk_mk5 posted... wackyteen posted... What I don't get it is why these red states all want sex to be this... punishment. On top of that they don't want to tell anybody about sex. They don't want to educate. They sure as hell don't want to provide contraception (to teens). They want to punish you for the strongest, deepest set driving force your body knows (the urge to reproduce and pass on your traits). It's disgusting Sex can lead to pregnancy??? Who knew??? What the fuck is personal responsibility anyway??? Don't you support Trump, lmao? --- But Whose? <cite>SomeonesAlt posted [p:900837976] in Iowa gover... [t:76580265]...</cite> <quote><cite>daftpunk_mk5 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wackyteen posted...</cite> <quote>What I don't get it is why these red states all want sex to be this... punishment. On top of that they don't want to tell anybody about sex. They don't want to educate. They sure as hell don't want to provide contraception (to teens). They want to punish you for the strongest, deepest set driving force your body knows (the urge to reproduce and pass on your traits). It's disgusting</quote> Sex can lead to pregnancy??? Who knew??? What the fuck is personal responsibility anyway???</quote> Don't you support Trump, lmao?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/05/18 11:35:13 AM #48:	Asherlee10 posted... This is terrible. I don't think I like the idea of leaving women's rights up to individual states. You say that but there's no promise that if it was federal it would be automatically liberal. You might just end up with right wing laws across the whole nation. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:900837980] in Iowa gover... [t:76580265]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote>This is terrible. I don't think I like the idea of leaving women's rights up to individual states.</quote> You say that but there's no promise that if it was federal it would be automatically liberal. You might just end up with right wing laws across the whole nation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 05/05/18 11:35:23 AM #49:	daftpunk_mk5 posted... What the fuck is personal responsibility anyway??? Getting an abortion when you can't support a baby, whose birth would hurt the lives of you, the future child, and society at large. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:900837987] in Iowa gover... [t:76580265]...</cite> <quote><cite>daftpunk_mk5 posted...</cite> <quote>What the fuck is personal responsibility anyway???</quote> Getting an abortion when you can't support a baby, whose birth would hurt the lives of you, the future child, and society at large.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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