Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 173: Web of Schneiderman

(+) Yeah! (+)

Attorney General No More!
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https://democrats-intelligence.house.gov/facebook-ads/social-media-advertisements.htm

All the ads the Russians ran in social media. (Supposedly).
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So, the Democrats, who spent billions of dollars on campaigning and employed Americans (presumably), were done in by Russians making Facebook ads. Apparently Russia was better at reading the mood of Americans than Democrats were. Sad!
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red sox 777 posted...

So, the Democrats, who spent billions of dollars on campaigning and employed Americans (presumably), were done in by Russians making Facebook ads. Apparently Russia was better at reading the mood of Americans than Democrats were. Sad!

I haven't viewed the ads myself yet. But, I have heard they attack both sides and that stirring up racial hate on both sides and anti law enforcement are in there.
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red sox 777 posted...

So, the Democrats, who spent billions of dollars on campaigning and employed Americans (presumably), were done in by Russians making Facebook ads. Apparently Russia was better at reading the mood of Americans than Democrats were. Sad!

I mean the same thing is true about the republicans. These ads were designed to rile up anger amongst the fringe groups of both camps and specifically meant to support Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders, who Russia believed would be more beneficial to their agenda.

Don't forget Trump steamrolled the republican primary contenders too.
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Hey, did y'all know Trump was king? Or emperor, or whichever other crowned ruler you feel like?

https://twitter.com/NRATV/status/994400283554820097

Cuz the NRA does!
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red sox 777 posted...

So, the Democrats, who spent billions of dollars on campaigning and employed Americans (presumably), were done in by Russians making Facebook ads. Apparently Russia was better at reading the mood of Americans than Democrats were. Sad!

Hillary won the popular vote, so no?

Now if Donald won the popular AND electoral vote you might have a valid point. Also it's not like Republicans weren't also making ad's
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So was it mentioned that Donald Trump Jr. is now dating Kimberly Guilfoyle from Fox News?
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Dancedreamer posted...

red sox 777 posted...

So, the Democrats, who spent billions of dollars on campaigning and employed Americans (presumably), were done in by Russians making Facebook ads. Apparently Russia was better at reading the mood of Americans than Democrats were. Sad!

Hillary won the popular vote, so no?

Now if Donald won the popular AND electoral vote you might have a valid point. Also it's not like Republicans weren't also making ad's

Trump won the popular vote in the swing states. Again, if Russians are more knowledgeable about swing state voters than the Californians and New Yorkers working for Democrats, that's pretty sad.
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red sox 777 posted...

Dancedreamer posted...

red sox 777 posted...

So, the Democrats, who spent billions of dollars on campaigning and employed Americans (presumably), were done in by Russians making Facebook ads. Apparently Russia was better at reading the mood of Americans than Democrats were. Sad!

Hillary won the popular vote, so no?

Now if Donald won the popular AND electoral vote you might have a valid point. Also it's not like Republicans weren't also making ad's

Trump won the popular vote in the swing states. Again, if Russians are more knowledgeable about swing state voters than the Californians and New Yorkers working for Democrats, that's pretty sad.

You're assuming Russians didn't just hack the machines in those states.
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red sox 777 posted...

Apparently Russia was better at reading the mood of Americans than Democrats were.

Why do you think so many Americans would buy into Russian propaganda like that?
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Dancedreamer posted...

You're assuming Russians didn't just hack the machines in those states.

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Dancedreamer posted...

You're assuming Russians didn't just hack the machines in those states.

Ah, so that's where those millions of fake votes for Clinton came from...!
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TheRock1525 posted...

So was it mentioned that Donald Trump Jr. is now dating Kimberly Guilfoyle from Fox News?

Yay gossip
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Boy, this AT&T stuff.

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/994932245617135618

Gee, you think??
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Just to point out the trend of divorce-news this year:

January 18th: White House Social Media Director Dan Scavino's wife filed for divorce.

March 14th: Donald Trump Jr. appeared to be heading toward a divorce.

April 4th: Donald's now-lawyer Rudy Giuliani announced he was getting his third divorce.

April 20th: Donald's divorce lawyer Jay Goldberg said about fellow Trump-lawyer Michael Cohen "Prison has a racial overtone, and a person like Michael doesn't see himself walking down Broadway while people are clamoring, 'You're going to be my wife.'"

April 26th: this isn't really divorce-news, but Melania's cold so often to Donald that it's worth noting -- Donald stammered when asked what he was doing for his wife Melania for her birthday today, eventually saying "Maybe I didn't get her so much. I got her a beautiful card."

White House doesn't sound like a happy house right now.
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In fact, it was Russia that rigged the Democratic primary to make Hillary win, knowing that she was unelectable in the general election. Putin also convinced Bush to invade Iraq, knowing that the US would end up in a difficult war that would cause the US to lose credibility. <emoticon>
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Tag
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So President of the NRA and a known Terrorist Supporter Oliver North is calling the Parkland Students civil terrorists now.

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/387141-oliver-north-nra-is-victim-of-civil-terrorism-by-gun-control-activists

Only the NRA can play victim better than the Christians who are upset we don't say Merry Christmas anymore.
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red sox 777 posted...

Putin also convinced Bush to invade Iraq, knowing that the US would end up in a difficult war that would cause the US to lose credibility. <emoticon>

Fair's fair, we did it to them with Afghanistan to bring down the USSR.
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https://www.axios.com/first-look-mueller-gains-credibility-among-swing-voters-1526032725-9eda4a00-373c-4b12-83d0-e000c4f18caa.html

Firehouse Strategies, a Republican firm, partnered with the data analytics team at Optimus to interview 2,486 likely midterm voters in four swing states (Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin), and found that "the Mueller investigation is gaining credibility among independent voters."

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Since when do republicans trust Optimus Prime.
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Jakyl25 posted...

https://www.axios.com/first-look-mueller-gains-credibility-among-swing-voters-1526032725-9eda4a00-373c-4b12-83d0-e000c4f18caa.html

Firehouse Strategies, a Republican firm, partnered with the data analytics team at Optimus to interview 2,486 likely midterm voters in four swing states (Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin), and found that "the Mueller investigation is gaining credibility among independent voters."

I was at a Korean restaurant that had CNN on its TVs, and it showed polls saying support for Mueller dropped with Republicans by A LOT (like 40%), dropped with Democrats like 3%, but raised with Independents by like 30%.

Also the idea that 60% of Republicans find Trump trustworthy is blowing my mind. I don't think the dude has literally ever spoken aloud and not stretched the truth.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Also the idea that 60% of Republicans find Trump trustworthy is blowing my mind. I don't think the dude has literally ever spoken aloud and not stretched the truth.

15% of Democrats!
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Fuck, yeah that's even crazier.
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I don't know how anyone can find Trump trustworthy. The guy's a pathological liar. I guess it's the whole "not being a career politician' thing. Which is dumb, becuase he's a career conman. It'd be like saying "I don't trust politicians, but I definitely trust this Pakistani guy calling me to tell me he found a virus on my computer."
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Dancedreamer posted...

I don't know how anyone can find Trump trustworthy. The guy's a pathological liar. I guess it's the whole "not being a career politician' thing. Which is dumb, becuase he's a career conman. It'd be like saying "I don't trust politicians, but I definitely trust this Pakistani guy calling me to tell me he found a virus on my computer."

Let me put this another way.

How many politicians have kept as many campaign promises as Trump?

I mean, of course I wouldn't trust him or any politician as far as I could spit. But, you could maybe see why some would find him as trustworthy in comparison.
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Corrik posted...

Dancedreamer posted...

I don't know how anyone can find Trump trustworthy. The guy's a pathological liar. I guess it's the whole "not being a career politician' thing. Which is dumb, becuase he's a career conman. It'd be like saying "I don't trust politicians, but I definitely trust this Pakistani guy calling me to tell me he found a virus on my computer."

Let me put this another way.

How many politicians have kept as many campaign promises as Trump?

I mean, of course I wouldn't trust him or any politician as far as I could spit. But, you could maybe see why some would find him as trustworthy in comparison.

How can you say this and be serious? Does "a couple things ended up true" overrule the countless things that were straight-up lies?

Like yesterday, the dude literally made a big show and said "And, by the way I know you dont care about this but that also includes raises for our military. First time in 10 years."

Except the military gets a pay raise every single year.
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Holy fuck.

https://twitter.com/SamTLevin/status/994974676890759168?s=19
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Isn't there a website that keeps track of promises made by the president? It would be interesting to see how Bush/Obama/Trump compares.
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Too lazy to look it up now, but there's a 538 article that explains that presidents tend to keep ~70% of their campaign promises. Given that Trump made several contradictory promises on most issues I'd imagine that his rate is actually lower! (But the point is that most presidents try to keep their campaign promises).
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Let's see Trump has:

-Not repealed Obamacare, and never had a replacement plan. Still don't have a replacement plan.
-Not built his giant ass wall, nor will he make mexico pay for it
-Instead of draining the swamp, he's making it swampier
-Has done Zero on Maternity leave (or paternity leave for that matter, which Hillary actually brought up)
-No term limits for congressmen either yet I see
-Never released his tax returns
-Cut medicaid and medicare after promising not to (and cutting CHIP too for that matter)

But hey he cut taxes on the rich and ended the Iran Deal making America less safe.

Not to mention all the alternative facts he spits out.

He's pretty typical for a politician, really.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Trump has kept more promises than most politicians simply because so many of his promises were just vague statements to do something about a given issue, so you could argue that anything he's done on those fronts counts as keeping his promises. Not sure how trustworthy that makes him though, especially when he's also pretty clearly as big a liar as you'll ever see.
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SgtSphynx posted...

Holy fuck.

https://twitter.com/SamTLevin/status/994974676890759168?s=19

This is America
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

https://www.axios.com/first-look-mueller-gains-credibility-among-swing-voters-1526032725-9eda4a00-373c-4b12-83d0-e000c4f18caa.html

Firehouse Strategies, a Republican firm, partnered with the data analytics team at Optimus to interview 2,486 likely midterm voters in four swing states (Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin), and found that "the Mueller investigation is gaining credibility among independent voters."

I was at a Korean restaurant that had CNN on its TVs, and it showed polls saying support for Mueller dropped with Republicans by A LOT (like 40%), dropped with Democrats like 3%, but raised with Independents by like 30%.

Also the idea that 60% of Republicans find Trump trustworthy is blowing my mind. I don't think the dude has literally ever spoken aloud and not stretched the truth.

This tells me a lot of Republicans are now identifying as Independents.
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Panthera posted...

I wouldn't be surprised if Trump has kept more promises than most politicians simply because so many of his promises were just vague statements to do something about a given issue, so you could argue that anything he's done on those fronts counts as keeping his promises. Not sure how trustworthy that makes him though, especially when he's also pretty clearly as big a liar as you'll ever see.

Like I said, I wouldn't trust him. However, to those he made campaign promises to, he has kept them for the most part or at least tried to.

- Left TPP
- Nafta negotiation
- protected steel
- moved embassy to Jerusalem
- tax cuts
- tried to repeal Obamacare
- travel ban
- left the climate Accord
- tried to get the wall, in process.
- ended DACA
- deregulation in EPA
- conservative judge (a gimme)

Etc etc

The list of his campaign promises he fulfilled is kind of long just a year and a half almost in.

Whether you agree with him or not, this is what he campaigned on.
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Jakyl25 posted...

SgtSphynx posted...

Holy fuck.

https://twitter.com/SamTLevin/status/994974676890759168?s=19

This is America

Dont catch you slippin up
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HaRRicH posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

https://www.axios.com/first-look-mueller-gains-credibility-among-swing-voters-1526032725-9eda4a00-373c-4b12-83d0-e000c4f18caa.html

Firehouse Strategies, a Republican firm, partnered with the data analytics team at Optimus to interview 2,486 likely midterm voters in four swing states (Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin), and found that "the Mueller investigation is gaining credibility among independent voters."

I was at a Korean restaurant that had CNN on its TVs, and it showed polls saying support for Mueller dropped with Republicans by A LOT (like 40%), dropped with Democrats like 3%, but raised with Independents by like 30%.

Also the idea that 60% of Republicans find Trump trustworthy is blowing my mind. I don't think the dude has literally ever spoken aloud and not stretched the truth.

This tells me a lot of Republicans are now identifying as Independents.

I have no idea how you got to this conclusion.
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Corrik posted...

HaRRicH posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

https://www.axios.com/first-look-mueller-gains-credibility-among-swing-voters-1526032725-9eda4a00-373c-4b12-83d0-e000c4f18caa.html

Firehouse Strategies, a Republican firm, partnered with the data analytics team at Optimus to interview 2,486 likely midterm voters in four swing states (Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin), and found that "the Mueller investigation is gaining credibility among independent voters."

I was at a Korean restaurant that had CNN on its TVs, and it showed polls saying support for Mueller dropped with Republicans by A LOT (like 40%), dropped with Democrats like 3%, but raised with Independents by like 30%.

Also the idea that 60% of Republicans find Trump trustworthy is blowing my mind. I don't think the dude has literally ever spoken aloud and not stretched the truth.

This tells me a lot of Republicans are now identifying as Independents.

I have no idea how you got to this conclusion.

Really? You have no idea?
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Suprak the Stud posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

SgtSphynx posted...

Holy fuck.

https://twitter.com/SamTLevin/status/994974676890759168?s=19

This is America

Dont catch you slippin up

The comments are saying he was arrested for inciting others to violence. Don't do that. It's illegal.

Now I wish they didn't use infowars to find him on it for so so many reasons.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Corrik posted...

HaRRicH posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

https://www.axios.com/first-look-mueller-gains-credibility-among-swing-voters-1526032725-9eda4a00-373c-4b12-83d0-e000c4f18caa.html

Firehouse Strategies, a Republican firm, partnered with the data analytics team at Optimus to interview 2,486 likely midterm voters in four swing states (Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin), and found that "the Mueller investigation is gaining credibility among independent voters."

I was at a Korean restaurant that had CNN on its TVs, and it showed polls saying support for Mueller dropped with Republicans by A LOT (like 40%), dropped with Democrats like 3%, but raised with Independents by like 30%.

Also the idea that 60% of Republicans find Trump trustworthy is blowing my mind. I don't think the dude has literally ever spoken aloud and not stretched the truth.

This tells me a lot of Republicans are now identifying as Independents.

I have no idea how you got to this conclusion.

Really? You have no idea?

Uh, yeah?
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Corrik posted...

Panthera posted...

I wouldn't be surprised if Trump has kept more promises than most politicians simply because so many of his promises were just vague statements to do something about a given issue, so you could argue that anything he's done on those fronts counts as keeping his promises. Not sure how trustworthy that makes him though, especially when he's also pretty clearly as big a liar as you'll ever see.

Like I said, I wouldn't trust him. However, to those he made campaign promises to, he has kept them for the most part or at least tried to.

- Left TPP
- Nafta negotiation
- protected steel
- moved embassy to Jerusalem
- tax cuts
- tried to repeal Obamacare
- travel ban
- left the climate Accord
- tried to get the wall, in process.
- ended DACA
- deregulation in EPA
- conservative judge (a gimme)

Etc etc

The list of his campaign promises he fulfilled is kind of long just a year and a half almost in.

Whether you agree with him or not, this is what he campaigned on.

Not really fair to count incomplete things in his favor, otherwise every president has a bunch of stuff they can say they "tried to do"
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HashtagSEP posted...

Corrik posted...

Panthera posted...

I wouldn't be surprised if Trump has kept more promises than most politicians simply because so many of his promises were just vague statements to do something about a given issue, so you could argue that anything he's done on those fronts counts as keeping his promises. Not sure how trustworthy that makes him though, especially when he's also pretty clearly as big a liar as you'll ever see.

Like I said, I wouldn't trust him. However, to those he made campaign promises to, he has kept them for the most part or at least tried to.

- Left TPP
- Nafta negotiation
- protected steel
- moved embassy to Jerusalem
- tax cuts
- tried to repeal Obamacare
- travel ban
- left the climate Accord
- tried to get the wall, in process.
- ended DACA
- deregulation in EPA
- conservative judge (a gimme)

Etc etc

The list of his campaign promises he fulfilled is kind of long just a year and a half almost in.

Whether you agree with him or not, this is what he campaigned on.

Not really fair to count incomplete things in his favor, otherwise every president has a bunch of stuff they can say they "tried to do"

I know.
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HashtagSEP posted...

Corrik posted...

Panthera posted...

I wouldn't be surprised if Trump has kept more promises than most politicians simply because so many of his promises were just vague statements to do something about a given issue, so you could argue that anything he's done on those fronts counts as keeping his promises. Not sure how trustworthy that makes him though, especially when he's also pretty clearly as big a liar as you'll ever see.

Like I said, I wouldn't trust him. However, to those he made campaign promises to, he has kept them for the most part or at least tried to.

- Left TPP
- Nafta negotiation
- protected steel
- moved embassy to Jerusalem
- tax cuts
- tried to repeal Obamacare
- travel ban
- left the climate Accord
- tried to get the wall, in process.
- ended DACA
- deregulation in EPA
- conservative judge (a gimme)

Etc etc

The list of his campaign promises he fulfilled is kind of long just a year and a half almost in.

Whether you agree with him or not, this is what he campaigned on.

Not really fair to count incomplete things in his favor, otherwise every president has a bunch of stuff they can say they "tried to do"

By the definition of "lie" it absolutely is.

Lie implies intent to deceive.

Michael Jordan guaranteed they would win game 7 against the Pacers in 1998 (and then oh boy the zebras made sure of it [note, full disclosure I was rooting for the Bulls, but watching that game back a couple years ago, Jesus Christ....] still glad they won. Fuck you Reggie!!!). Had they failed to win he didn't lie. His statement was made incorrect.

I could say I'm going out to Walmart to get milk.... if someone blows up Walmart before I can get there I didn't lie.

UInstinctGogeta posted...

By the definition of "lie" it absolutely is.

Lie implies intent to deceive.

Michael Jordan guaranteed they would win game 7 against the Pacers in 1998 (and then oh boy the zebras made sure of it [note, full disclosure I was rooting for the Bulls, but watching that game back a couple years ago, Jesus Christ....] still glad they won. Fuck you Reggie!!!). Had they failed to win he didn't lie. His statement was made incorrect.

I could say I'm going out to Walmart to get milk.... if someone blows up Walmart before I can get there I didn't lie.

No, but you didn't keep your promise to get milk, either, even if there were outside factors.

If I tell little Jimmy that I'm going to hit a homerun for him and I fly out, I can't tell him "Well, I tried, so count it as another success and me keeping my promise."

Somebody trying something doesn't mean they "kept" a promise.
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Not to mention that you can "try" something and still be lying.

If I know I'm never gonna hit a home run but I tell little Jimmy that I'm going to, I can say that I tried to look good even though I didn't because I knew it was never going to happen, and thus I'm lying.
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Corrik posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Corrik posted...

HaRRicH posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

https://www.axios.com/first-look-mueller-gains-credibility-among-swing-voters-1526032725-9eda4a00-373c-4b12-83d0-e000c4f18caa.html

Firehouse Strategies, a Republican firm, partnered with the data analytics team at Optimus to interview 2,486 likely midterm voters in four swing states (Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin), and found that "the Mueller investigation is gaining credibility among independent voters."

I was at a Korean restaurant that had CNN on its TVs, and it showed polls saying support for Mueller dropped with Republicans by A LOT (like 40%), dropped with Democrats like 3%, but raised with Independents by like 30%.

Also the idea that 60% of Republicans find Trump trustworthy is blowing my mind. I don't think the dude has literally ever spoken aloud and not stretched the truth.

This tells me a lot of Republicans are now identifying as Independents.

I have no idea how you got to this conclusion.

Really? You have no idea?

Uh, yeah?

At this point I'm pretty sure you're that guy who some one shows the classic ice cream sales vs drowning deaths correlation and you don't understand why it actually has to do with the weather and season.
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HashtagSEP posted...

UInstinctGogeta posted...

By the definition of "lie" it absolutely is.

Lie implies intent to deceive.

Michael Jordan guaranteed they would win game 7 against the Pacers in 1998 (and then oh boy the zebras made sure of it [note, full disclosure I was rooting for the Bulls, but watching that game back a couple years ago, Jesus Christ....] still glad they won. Fuck you Reggie!!!). Had they failed to win he didn't lie. His statement was made incorrect.

I could say I'm going out to Walmart to get milk.... if someone blows up Walmart before I can get there I didn't lie.

No, but you didn't keep your promise to get milk, either, even if there were outside factors.

If I tell little Jimmy that I'm going to hit a homerun for him and I fly out, I can't tell him "Well, I tried, so count it as another success and me keeping my promise."

Somebody trying something doesn't mean they "kept" a promise.

I don't think I ever said differently.

My point wasn't promises were kept. My point is lack of promises kept and still trying to do it isn't lying.

The conversation was about Trump being untrustworthy, (IE a liar) not a failure.

it's somehow made even worse since the gop has control of everything right now and trump can't get anything done

if a leftward wind keeps blowing through midterms, he's going to get a lot lamer of a duck than he already is
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UInstinctGogeta posted...

I don't think I ever said differently.

My point wasn't promises were kept. My point is lack of promises kept and still trying to do it isn't lying.

The conversation was about Trump being untrustworthy, (IE a liar) not a failure.

...You can be untrustworthy without lying, you know. Failing is a big part of that. If you keep giving your word that you're going to accomplish things and you keep failing, no matter how hard you've tried, you're untrustworthy.
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