Current Events > Senate OVERTURNS FCC Net Neutrality decision!

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THANK YOU SENATE!

EDIT: Fixed the article and quote

http://thehill.com/policy/technology/387985-senate-votes-to-save-net-neutrality-rules?amp

The Senate on Wednesday voted to reinstate the FCC's net neutrality rules, passing a bill that has little chance of advancing in the House but offers net neutrality supporters and Democrats a political rallying point for the midterm elections.

Democrats were able to force Wednesday's vote using an obscure legislative tool known as the Congressional Review Act (CRA). CRA bills allow Congress, with a majority vote in each chamber and the president's signature, to overturn recent agency moves.

They argue that without the Federal Communications Commission's net neutrality regulations, which require internet service providers to treat all web traffic equally, companies such as Verizon and Comcast will be free to discriminate against certain content or boost their partner websites.

The bill, which passed the Senate 52-47, will have a much harder time in the House, where Democrats would need 25 Republicans to cross the aisle in order to bring it up for a vote.

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Correction: the matter was brought to the Senate floor; voting hasn't yet been done on it

Democrats in the Senate could prevail in a vote as they have at least 50 votes with all of their party on board, plus Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine. (Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., is undergoing cancer treatment in Arizona and is not in Washington, D.C., to vote.)

However, the measure is unlikely to pass in the U.S. House and even if it were would have to be approved by President Trump.

Still, Democrats hope a public vote might increase the pre-midterm election pressure on some lawmakers to reconsider their support on an issue that's popular with voters. Passage in the Senate would send a clear message to American families that we support them, not the special interest agenda of President Trump and his broadband baron allies," said Sen. Ed Markey, D-Mass., who sponsored the CRA resolution.

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However, the measure is unlikely to pass in the U.S. House and even if it were would have to be approved by President Trump.

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It will fail in the House, and even if it didn't Trump would veto it because "obstructionist Democrats" or something equally stupid.
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Antifar posted...

Correction: the matter was brought to the Senate floor; voting hasn't yet been done on it

It's done. Wrong article
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BLAKUboy posted...

It will fail in the House, and even if it didn't Trump would veto it because "obstructionist Democrats" or something equally stupid.

The point is to put anyone that opposes Net Neutrality to go on the record with their vote.
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Barenziah Boy Toy posted...

The point is to put anyone that opposes Net Neutrality to go on the record with their vote.

I am aware. I'm also aware that is not nearly good enough.
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BLAKUboy posted...

I am aware. I'm also aware that is not nearly good enough.

What more can be done atm?
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My hunch is that we're like 7 major scandals away from election day and net neutrality won't be an issue on very many voters' minds in November.
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Barenziah Boy Toy posted...

BLAKUboy posted...

I am aware. I'm also aware that is not nearly good enough.

What more can be done atm?

Nothing. People who think their cute little petitions and posts on Facebook are delusional. The government will never allow NN to remain. All we can do is watch and hope.

Incidentally, this is like the only case where "thoughts and prayers" actually is the only viable solution.
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Antifar posted...

My hunch is that we're like 7 major scandals away from election day and net neutrality won't be an issue on very many voters' minds in November.

It's frankly not an issue on many voters' minds right now. Most people don't understand it, and they're not going to care about something they don't understand.
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Muffinz0rz posted...

Barenziah Boy Toy posted...

BLAKUboy posted...

I am aware. I'm also aware that is not nearly good enough.

What more can be done atm?

Nothing. People who think their cute little petitions and posts on Facebook are delusional. The government will never allow NN to remain. All we can do is watch and hope.

Incidentally, this is like the only case where "thoughts and prayers" actually is the only viable solution.

No need to be so negative
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DepreceV2 posted...

Muffinz0rz posted...

Barenziah Boy Toy posted...

BLAKUboy posted...

I am aware. I'm also aware that is not nearly good enough.

What more can be done atm?

Nothing. People who think their cute little petitions and posts on Facebook are delusional. The government will never allow NN to remain. All we can do is watch and hope.

Incidentally, this is like the only case where "thoughts and prayers" actually is the only viable solution.

No need to be so negative

I'm being realistic.
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Muffinz0rz posted...

DepreceV2 posted...

Muffinz0rz posted...

Barenziah Boy Toy posted...

BLAKUboy posted...

I am aware. I'm also aware that is not nearly good enough.

What more can be done atm?

Nothing. People who think their cute little petitions and posts on Facebook are delusional. The government will never allow NN to remain. All we can do is watch and hope.

Incidentally, this is like the only case where "thoughts and prayers" actually is the only viable solution.

No need to be so negative

I'm being realistic.

Well... Yea I guess. There simply isn't enough people that understands or cares
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This is extremely good, but it isn't over yet.

Hopefully Net Neutrality is saved.
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Superlinkbro posted...

Hopefully Net Neutrality is saved.

Spoiler alert: It isn't.
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I am the Senate.
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Barenziah Boy Toy posted...

BLAKUboy posted...

I am aware. I'm also aware that is not nearly good enough.

What more can be done atm?

It goes to vote tomorrow in the House (assuming Paul Ryan even lets it). Best you can do is contact your House rep between now and then.

It probably won't pass regardless, but it's worth a try.
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theAteam posted...

It goes to vote tomorrow in the House (assuming Paul Ryan even lets it). Best you can do is contact your House rep between now and then. It probably won't pass regardless, but it's worth a try.

I'm talking about the Senators themselves.
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Fucking Repblicans nearly killed Net Neutrality.
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twitterfriends posted...

Fucking Repblicans nearly killed Net Neutrality.

It's probably dead still, sadly. This is really just a way to make the GOP own it and take responsibility, as was said before.
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To save NN (before the next election cycle, anyway), we need to actually convince a ton of idiots that it's not an Obama era policy, but actually has existed for as long as the internet has.

But when the shill in charge is the one spreading that lie, good fucking luck.
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So many people utterly terrified of their own imaginary Boogeyman.
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darkjedilink posted...

So many people utterly terrified of their own imaginary Boogeyman.

you have been lying through your fucking teeth about this for the last few months. go the fuck away.
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darkjedilink posted...

So many people utterly terrified of their own imaginary Boogeyman.

I don't trust corporations to responsibly use power they so desperately wanted and have good reason to use. Personally don't want them speeding up their services and slowing down rival ones or extorting websites which are all things they have done in the past.
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uwnim posted...

darkjedilink posted...

So many people utterly terrified of their own imaginary Boogeyman.

I don't trust corporations to responsibly use power they so desperately wanted and have good reason to use. Personally don't want them speeding up their services and slowing down rival ones or extorting websites which are all things they have done in the past.

But you trust the government?
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Of course every single no was from republicans.

so much for the but dems are just as bad bullshit.
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Medussa posted...

darkjedilink posted...

So many people utterly terrified of their own imaginary Boogeyman.

you have been lying through your fucking teeth about this for the last few months. go the fuck away.

How have I lied? Even the slowest commercial connection is faster than most DNS servers, so the imaginary 'fastlane' scenario is just that - imaginary.
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Medussa posted...

To save NN (before the next election cycle, anyway), we need to actually convince a ton of idiots that it's not an Obama era policy, but actually has existed for as long as the internet has.

But when the shill in charge is the one spreading that lie, good fucking luck.

A 'free and open internet' disappeared when Google and Facebook took over, long before NN was even concieved of as legally enforceable policy.
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We did it reddittrtttt !!!!!!!

I cant think of any website more pathetic nor can I think of any policy more worthless.
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darkjedilink posted...

How have I lied

NN has been policy for as long as the Internet has been a thing. you constantly spout the "it's Obama policy" lie.

NN does not give any sort of power to the government. it keeps the power with the users, and not the providers.

fastlanes are established by slowing down unwelcome packets, not by making anything faster.
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darkjedilink posted...

A 'free and open internet' disappeared when Google and Facebook took over, long before NN was even concieved of as legally enforceable policy.

and you think giving them more power is the answer?
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BLAKUboy posted...

Most people don't understand it, and they're not going to care about something they don't understand.

This is a big one. Most people I know of that arent gamers or otherwise tech savvy thing that Net Neutrality is the bad option.
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Medussa posted...

darkjedilink posted...

A 'free and open internet' disappeared when Google and Facebook took over, long before NN was even concieved of as legally enforceable policy.

and you think giving them more power is the answer?

I thought the argument was no NN would give them less...
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Medussa posted...

darkjedilink posted...

How have I lied

NN has been policy for as long as the Internet has been a thing. you constantly spout the "it's Obama policy" lie.

NN does not give any sort of power to the government. it keeps the power with the users, and not the providers.

fastlanes are established by slowing down unwelcome packets, not by making anything faster.

You literally can't slow down the packets enough to be slower than the DNS server, though. That's the bottleneck, and ISP's have NOTHING to do with it.
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darkjedilink posted...

I thought the argument was no NN would give them less...

no, those are the lies...

the lack of NN would give all ISPs the ability to do things they cannot right now. things that will make them money at the cost of the consumer. whether they will or not is the only question. Comcast and Verizon have been lobbying for this for 15 years (funny, why would they do that if NN is only a few years old?), so they obviously have plans. Google has publicly said they're in favor of NN, so they might not. at least, not right away. but once they see the dollar signs...
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darkjedilink posted...

A 'free and open internet' disappeared when Google and Facebook took over,

Net Neutrality helps ensure that a new competitor can actually overtake Google or Facebook one day.
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darkjedilink posted...

uwnim posted...

darkjedilink posted...

So many people utterly terrified of their own imaginary Boogeyman.

I don't trust corporations to responsibly use power they so desperately wanted and have good reason to use. Personally don't want them speeding up their services and slowing down rival ones or extorting websites which are all things they have done in the past.

But you trust the government?

In this situation? More than the ISPs. The government tried other ways to enforce net neutrality but the ISPs challenged those things and ended up forcing them to use FCC Title II after it was shown they really couldn't be trusted. Then one of them got one one of their people in charge of the FCC to undo it. Plus anything the government would be able to do with their net neutrality rules that would actually effect us would still be doable whenever net neutrality does get ended.
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Removing net neutrality won't actually do anything, but the internet is good the way it is now so let it stay.
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