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darkjedilink
05/25/18 5:47:29 PM
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YoungMutual posted...
Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
0AbsoluteZero0 posted...
Because they love to use the slippery slope fallacy. Even the tiniest and most innocent common sense regulations are clearly just the start of the govments grand plot to take all their guns!


Ah yes because this government hasn't passed the patriot act, or started a war on drugs and there's no mass incarceration.

This government has proven at every turn they'll take a mile if you give an inch and any citizen worth his salt should be fighting tooth and nail against giving up anything.

Anyone pro gun control because it makes people safer should be in full support of living like bubble boy in fortified homes with no outside contact with only special government trained safety monitors going around to check on and feed people.

Gun control is a war on liberty preying on people's irrational fears.

Yeah daily mass shootings directly caused by weapon availability = irrational fear.

Only developed country where this happens = irrational fear.

Making idiotic excuses while allowing shootings to happen to innocents is downright evil and selfish and we see it daily.

'Daily mass shootings?'

If you think they're daily, it's an irrational fear.
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darkjedilink
05/25/18 5:52:16 PM
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If you got angry at Dick's sporting goods raising the minimum age to purchase a firearm, that's pretty much a direct admittance that you want nothing to be done about this issue.

How would one store chain raising the age do anything about the issue?

You do know that the extreme vast majority of school shooters don't walk into a gun store and buy the gun they use in a school shooting, right?

The Parkland shooter bought a firearm from Dick's. That's why they did it.

wut

This is EXACTLY the kind of bullshit gungrabbers spew that proves how fucking moronic it is to allow them to dictate gun policy.

The best part is how you have absolutely no argument and you're just relentlessly crying about facts.

Because the facts ARE my argument. If you were actually arguing from any position of intelligence, you'd see that.
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DifferentialEquation
05/25/18 5:53:00 PM
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YoungMutual posted...
Dark_Spiret posted...
because 1. you are effectively punishing 99.98% of the gun "community" for others fuckups. and 2. it never stops at mild regulations.

These guys are some of the most selfish borderline evil people alive. The refuse to make even a single concession even if it means saving some lives.

Fuck them and fuck their need to amass weapons.

Let's heavily tax guns, America has shown that, as a collective they aren't fit for lax arms regulations/lax enforcement.


There have been concessions made. You do realize that there are existing gun laws on the book, correct?

You have to go through a background check to purchase a firearm from a dealer.
You have to be of a certain age to purchase.
Certain weapons, such as fully automatics, are extremely difficult to obtain.

If these are not concessions, then what are they?

And you want to heavily tax guns so people have to pay well beyond the fair market price for them, apparently. Why is "let's give more money the government!" your solution?

This is the government that fails to enforce its existing gun control laws (which could have prevented several shootings) and whose police force has no constitutional duty to protect you. So let's reward them with more money, right?
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gatorsPENSbucs
05/25/18 6:09:54 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
Because we apparently want to inconvenience lawful gun owners more than criminals and psychopaths.

Damn, pretty much end topic right here.
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darkjedilink
05/25/18 6:12:24 PM
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Conflict posted...
You also don't have evidence to back up your statement of where the "vast majority of school shooters" get their guns from

Are you really trying to argue that minors are able to walk into a gun shop and buy a firearm legally?
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Tmaster148
05/25/18 6:13:24 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
Conflict posted...
You also don't have evidence to back up your statement of where the "vast majority of school shooters" get their guns from

Are you really trying to argue that minors are able to walk into a gun shop and buy a firearm legally?


The Parkland shooter wasn't a minor.
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darkjedilink
05/25/18 6:16:53 PM
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Tmaster148 posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Conflict posted...
You also don't have evidence to back up your statement of where the "vast majority of school shooters" get their guns from

Are you really trying to argue that minors are able to walk into a gun shop and buy a firearm legally?

The Parkland shooter wasn't a minor.

The vast majority of school shooters are, though.
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Tmaster148
05/25/18 6:17:32 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Conflict posted...
You also don't have evidence to back up your statement of where the "vast majority of school shooters" get their guns from

Are you really trying to argue that minors are able to walk into a gun shop and buy a firearm legally?

The Parkland shooter wasn't a minor.

The vast majority of school shooters are, though.


Then why are you arguing about the Parkland shooter buying a gun at Dick's and Dick's responding by raising the age you can buy a gun at their store?
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darkjedilink
05/25/18 6:20:24 PM
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Tmaster148 posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Conflict posted...
You also don't have evidence to back up your statement of where the "vast majority of school shooters" get their guns from

Are you really trying to argue that minors are able to walk into a gun shop and buy a firearm legally?

The Parkland shooter wasn't a minor.

The vast majority of school shooters are, though.

Then why are you arguing about the Parkland shooter buying a gun at Dick's and Dick's responding by raising the age you can buy a gun at their store?

Because he didn't buy the gun at Dick's, and anyone who actually believes that is a moron? Dick's Sporting Goods had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Parkland, other than making a political statement in the aftermath.
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nemu
05/25/18 6:22:04 PM
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Is there actually an argument for new laws that will impact the specific scenario of school shootings? Because I feel like the thought process stops at "we need new gun laws to stop kids from dying." It's a good thought, but you need an actual process to make that a reality.
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darkjedilink
05/25/18 6:23:01 PM
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nemu posted...
Is there actually an argument for new laws that will impact the specific scenario of school shootings? Because I feel like the thought process stops at "we need new gun laws to stop kids from dying." It's a good thought, but you need an actual process to make that a reality.

That is EXACTLY the point. Supposedly nobody wants to ban guns, but the only legislation anyone ever puts forth is a gun ban.
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nativengine
05/25/18 6:32:14 PM
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My question is, what about people like myself. I own a bunch of guns, hunting rifles and shotguns, AR15s and AK47s, and a handful of handguns. Now all these were legally bought, I went through background checks for all my handguns and semi auto rifles(semi auto doesnt mean I pull the trigger and the gun unloads FYI). What regulations do you want for me?
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darkjedilink
05/25/18 6:37:20 PM
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nativengine posted...
My question is, what about people like myself. I own a bunch of guns, hunting rifles and shotguns, AR15s and AK47s, and a handful of handguns. Now all these were legally bought, I went through background checks for all my handguns and semi auto rifles(semi auto doesnt mean I pull the trigger and the gun unloads FYI). What regulations do you want for me?

They want you to get rid of pretty much everything you have.
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VectorChaos
05/25/18 6:37:46 PM
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scorpion41 posted...
We already have gun control laws, over 200 in fact. The problem isnt lack of regulation, but its the lack of enforcement of those regulations by the government. Current laws are more than enough to reach the desired outcome.


Subverting freedom 101. Want to strip rights? Create a problem, one that scares the people, then helpfully volunteer to "fix" the problem for your sufficiently terrified populace.

Anyone telling you your rights are being stripped or infringed upon for your "safety" is literally the enemy.
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RoboLaserGandhi
05/25/18 6:48:06 PM
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Cosmic_Diabetic posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...
standing up against blatant emotionally charged gun ignorance.


Which side are we exactly standing up against on emotionally charged gun ignorance again?

Gun control side
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YoungMutual
05/25/18 6:50:38 PM
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Guns are not an issue in actual developed countries, gun culture itself is moronic, yet anti gun control micropeen guys are the rational ones according to these folks
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DifferentialEquation
05/26/18 12:04:51 PM
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YoungMutual posted...
Dark_Spiret posted...
because 1. you are effectively punishing 99.98% of the gun "community" for others fuckups. and 2. it never stops at mild regulations.

These guys are some of the most selfish borderline evil people alive. The refuse to make even a single concession even if it means saving some lives.

Fuck them and fuck their need to amass weapons.

Let's heavily tax guns, America has shown that, as a collective they aren't fit for lax arms regulations/lax enforcement.


YoungMutual posted...
John_Galt posted...
YoungMutual posted...
Dark_Spiret posted...
because 1. you are effectively punishing 99.98% of the gun "community" for others fuckups. and 2. it never stops at mild regulations.

tax

Nope

"I refuse to give in even slightly even if it means schools around the world will keep getting targeted"

People like you are evil as fuck, no sugar coating it.


I'd be interested to hear from a moderator why my post generalizing liberals as being immoral and against law and order was against the ToS, but these ones are okay?

How is generalizing gun owners as seflish and borderline evil, and even telling another specific user here that he's "evil as fuck" okay under the TOS when what I said wasn't?

Could a moderator please clarify? I didn't see anything in the ToS that said these types of posts were okay as long as long you're not attacking people on the left, but I could have overlooked it.
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DifferentialEquation
05/27/18 4:57:41 PM
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DifferentialEquation
05/28/18 11:08:47 AM
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YoungMutual
05/28/18 3:40:41 PM
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN
05/28/18 3:43:31 PM
#74:


YoungMutual posted...
If you keep your crap I'll lock the topic.

You've been warned.


Too many people saying a slight risk isn't worth stripping the rights of millions. Too much liberty for you?
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YoungMutual
05/28/18 6:23:33 PM
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
YoungMutual posted...
If you keep your crap I'll lock the topic.

You've been warned.


Too many people saying a slight risk isn't worth stripping the rights of millions. Too much liberty for you?


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States

Yeah,"slight" risk.

Only "developed" country where it's as widespread as this.

All because gun nuts care more about dumbass arms over people's body integrity.

They can all go fuck themselves for all I care
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ChainedRedone
05/28/18 7:25:17 PM
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Gun nuts are the most illogical debaters. Any form of gun control is an infringement, according to them. There is absolutely no reason why universal background checks shouldn't be passed. But of course, they'll fight tooth and nail so they can sell a gun to some shady guy through Craigslist without doing a check.
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN
05/28/18 8:25:16 PM
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ChainedRedone posted...
Gun nuts are the most illogical debaters. Any form of gun control is an infringement, according to them. There is absolutely no reason why universal background checks shouldn't be passed. But of course, they'll fight tooth and nail so they can sell a gun to some shady guy through Craigslist without doing a check.


You give the government an inch and they'll take a mile. The government also doesn't have the authority to pass gun control laws.

The constitution does not grant us the right to bear Arms. It's not the government allowing it. The constitution is very simply saying the government won't pass laws that are already ours.

YoungMutual posted...
Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
YoungMutual posted...
If you keep your crap I'll lock the topic.

You've been warned.


Too many people saying a slight risk isn't worth stripping the rights of millions. Too much liberty for you?


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States

Yeah,"slight" risk.

Only "developed" country where it's as widespread as this.

All because gun nuts care more about dumbass arms over people's body integrity.

They can all go fuck themselves for all I care


Yes around 3 in 100k is homicides. Most of those gang/drug related. I'd call that a slight risk
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ChainedRedone
05/28/18 8:41:42 PM
#78:


Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
You give the government an inch and they'll take a mile. The government also doesn't have the authority to pass gun control laws.


So slippery slope is all you have. Got it.
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN
05/28/18 8:44:58 PM
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ChainedRedone posted...
Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
You give the government an inch and they'll take a mile. The government also doesn't have the authority to pass gun control laws.


So slippery slope is all you have. Got it.


And the constitution, and the patriot act, and illegal government surveillance.
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ChainedRedone
05/28/18 8:48:03 PM
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
ChainedRedone posted...
Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
You give the government an inch and they'll take a mile. The government also doesn't have the authority to pass gun control laws.


So slippery slope is all you have. Got it.


And the constitution, and the patriot act, and illegal government surveillance.


No where in the Constitution does it say we can't enact mandatory background checks. In fact the SCOTUS themselves don't believe it violated the Constitution. But sure, your deranged interpretation is the correct. Sure buddy. Sure.
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN
05/28/18 9:11:16 PM
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ChainedRedone posted...
Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
ChainedRedone posted...
Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
You give the government an inch and they'll take a mile. The government also doesn't have the authority to pass gun control laws.


So slippery slope is all you have. Got it.


And the constitution, and the patriot act, and illegal government surveillance.


No where in the Constitution does it say we can't enact mandatory background checks. In fact the SCOTUS themselves don't believe it violated the Constitution. But sure, your deranged interpretation is the correct. Sure buddy. Sure.


The Supreme Court also said dui check points aren't a violation of the 4th amendment because it's a public safety issue and not a huge infringement.

They're not infallible and make bone headed decisions.
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ChainedRedone
05/28/18 9:38:50 PM
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
The Supreme Court also said dui check points aren't a violation of the 4th amendment because it's a public safety issue and not a huge infringement.

They're not infallible and make bone headed decisions.


So what court has found them unconstitutional? And what is their argument?
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SonyFan462
05/28/18 9:40:37 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
Because we apparently want to inconvenience lawful gun owners more than criminals and psychopaths.
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