Current Events > So why is not mildly inconveniencing gun owners such a high priority?

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Especially over the literal safety of children, teens and young adults.
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Because we apparently want to inconvenience lawful gun owners more than criminals and psychopaths.
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Because they love to use their slippery slope fallacy. Even the tiniest and most innocent common sense regulations are clearly just the start of the govments grand plot to take all their guns!
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darkjedilink posted...

Because we apparently want to inconvenience lawful gun owners more than criminals and psychopaths.

Lawful gun owners can all eat crow for all I care if they aren't willing to submit themselves to gun control, which doesn't even mean they have to give up ownership if it means safe schools.
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0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

Because they love to use the slippery slope fallacy. Even the tiniest and most innocent common sense regulations are clearly just the start of the govments grand plot to take all their guns!

Maybe because that's literally the impetus behind making up the term 'assault weapon.'
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What gun control measures would lead to safer schools?

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They're way more likely to accidentally kill a loved one than be that hero. No logic to it.
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darkjedilink posted...

0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

Because they love to use the slippery slope fallacy. Even the tiniest and most innocent common sense regulations are clearly just the start of the govments grand plot to take all their guns!

Maybe because that's literally the impetus behind making up the term 'assault weapon.'

Believe it on not, even among liberals, the vast majority do not want a wholesale disarming of society or anything even close. Keep peddling your tinfoil hat conspiracy theories though
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darkjedilink posted...

Because we apparently want to inconvenience lawful gun owners more than criminals and psychopaths.

0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

darkjedilink posted...

0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

Because they love to use the slippery slope fallacy. Even the tiniest and most innocent common sense regulations are clearly just the start of the govments grand plot to take all their guns!

Maybe because that's literally the impetus behind making up the term 'assault weapon.'

Believe it on not, even among liberals, the vast majority do not want a wholesale disarming of society or anything even close. Keep peddling your tinfoil hat conspiracy theories though

You can't claim that anymore when the last two Dem Presidential candidates advocated for such.
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YoungMutual posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Because we apparently want to inconvenience lawful gun owners more than criminals and psychopaths.

Lawful gun owners can all eat crow for all I care if they aren't willing to submit themselves to gun control, which doesn't even mean they have to give up ownership if it means safe schools.

What gun control do you seriously believe would somehow magically create safer schools?

darkjedilink posted...

0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

darkjedilink posted...

0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

Because they love to use the slippery slope fallacy. Even the tiniest and most innocent common sense regulations are clearly just the start of the govments grand plot to take all their guns!

Maybe because that's literally the impetus behind making up the term 'assault weapon.'

Believe it on not, even among liberals, the vast majority do not want a wholesale disarming of society or anything even close. Keep peddling your tinfoil hat conspiracy theories though

You can't claim that anymore when the last two Dem Presidential candidates advocated for such.

Youre laughably wrong, but I guess thats never stopped you before huh?
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Not *always*, but most shootings that occur involve someone who illegally obtained a gun, not sure what good "regulations" are if people are going to steal guns or if some sales don't follow the rules. The only thing I can think of is extreme penalties (like... not just fines, but significant jail time, etc) for shop owners that don't follow procedure or people who aren't properly maintaining and storing their guns so they can be stolen. I have some friends that always have everything nicely locked up, and others that just have guns lying around and a rifle propped up in a corner, etc. >_>
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0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

Because they love to use the slippery slope fallacy. Even the tiniest and most innocent common sense regulations are clearly just the start of the govments grand plot to take all their guns!

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Because this is the Second Amendment of the US Constitution

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Any form of gun control could be considered an infringement of this.
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Buzz Killjoy posted...

What gun control measures would lead to safer schools?

When I asked that, they said 'gun show loophole' unironically, so we really aren't dealing with people who want to solve a problem.
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Look at the proposed assualt weapons ban of 2018 bill that wants to ban semi auto pistols, shotguns, and rifles before making the bullshit claim they are not trying to take peoples guns away.

The AR-15 is what every anti gunner hates yet the assualt weapons ban of 2018 bill is looking to ban things like the commonly used by everyone glock 17 that cant even remotely be seen as a weapon of war.
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The Top Crusader posted...

Not *always*, but most shootings that occur involve someone who illegally obtained a gun, not sure what good "regulations" are if people are going to steal guns or if some sales don't follow the rules. The only thing I can think of is extreme penalties (like... not just fines, but significant jail time, etc) for shop owners that don't follow procedure or people who aren't properly maintaining and storing their guns so they can be stolen. I have some friends that always have everything nicely locked up, and others that just have guns lying around and a rifle propped up in a corner, etc. >_>

I would say the penalties that already exist (fines, jail time, getting your business shut down) is already pretty extreme.
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We already have gun control laws, over 200 in fact. The problem isnt lack of regulation, but its the lack of enforcement of those regulations by the government. Current laws are more than enough to reach the desired outcome.
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We don't do compromise on the American right, not since 2010 when we dragged all those compromising RINOs out behind Capital Hill and ended their GOP political careers with a clean one between the eyes.

Now we give nothing, and take anything and everything we can, by any means.
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scorpion41 posted...

We already have gun control laws, over 200 in fact. The problem isnt lack of regulation, but its the lack of enforcement of those regulations by the government. Current laws are more than enough to reach the desired outcome.

Current laws would have prevented Parkland, had law enforcement just done anything they were supposed to do.
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darkjedilink posted...

scorpion41 posted...

We already have gun control laws, over 200 in fact. The problem isnt lack of regulation, but its the lack of enforcement of those regulations by the government. Current laws are more than enough to reach the desired outcome.

Current laws would have prevented Parkland, had law enforcement just done anything they were supposed to do.

Exactly.
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It's more so the second amendment than anything else. It's hard as hell to change the constitution, and if the feds went ahead and changed it without going through the right process the masses would lose their minds.

Taking guns away from people won't stop these events from happening. Preemptively dealing with violent misogynists/racists will.
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QueenCarly posted...

Taking guns away from people won't stop these events from happening. Preemptively dealing with violent misogynists/racists will.

wut
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darkjedilink posted...

QueenCarly posted...

Taking guns away from people won't stop these events from happening. Preemptively dealing with violent misogynists/racists will.

wut

"thoughtcrime is worse than actual crime!"

Don't catch you slippin now
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darkjedilink posted...

QueenCarly posted...

Taking guns away from people won't stop these events from happening. Preemptively dealing with violent misogynists/racists will.

wut

Taking guns away from people won't stop these events from happening. Preemptively dealing with violent misogynists/racists will.

If you have trouble with it again just let me know.
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@QueenCarly

You need to go watch Minority Report for why people are not supporting your idea.
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Make gun production expensive as hell, force gun producers to paw an absurd amount of taxes per produced fire arm.

Use those funds for mental health and background checks.
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because 1. you are effectively punishing 99.98% of the gun "community" for others fuckups. and 2. it never stops at mild regulations.

Dark_Spiret posted...

because 1. you are effectively punishing 99.98% of the gun "community" for others fuckups. and 2. it never stops at mild regulations.

These guys are some of the most selfish borderline evil people alive. The refuse to make even a single concession even if it means saving some lives.

Fuck them and fuck their need to amass weapons.

Let's heavily tax guns, America has shown that, as a collective they aren't fit for lax arms regulations/lax enforcement.
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Conflict posted...

If you got angry at Dick's sporting goods raising the minimum age to purchase a firearm, that's pretty much a direct admittance that you want nothing to be done about this issue.

How would one store chain raising the age do anything about the issue?

You do know that the extreme vast majority of school shooters don't walk into a gun store and buy the gun they use in a school shooting, right?
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YoungMutual posted...

Dark_Spiret posted...

because 1. you are effectively punishing 99.98% of the gun "community" for others fuckups. and 2. it never stops at mild regulations.

tax

Nope
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John_Galt posted...

YoungMutual posted...

Dark_Spiret posted...

because 1. you are effectively punishing 99.98% of the gun "community" for others fuckups. and 2. it never stops at mild regulations.

tax

Nope

"I refuse to give in even slightly even if it means schools around the world will keep getting targeted"

People like you are evil as fuck, no sugar coating it.
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YoungMutual posted...

John_Galt posted...

YoungMutual posted...

Dark_Spiret posted...

because 1. you are effectively punishing 99.98% of the gun "community" for others fuckups. and 2. it never stops at mild regulations.

tax

Nope

"I refuse to give in even slightly even if it means schools around the world will keep getting targeted"

People like you are evil as fuck, no sugar coating it.

The tax burden is already too high for most people. We should be looking for ways to lower it, not continue to nickel and dime law abiding citizens
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Then lower taxes for things people actually need, not murder tools.
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0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

Because they love to use the slippery slope fallacy. Even the tiniest and most innocent common sense regulations are clearly just the start of the govments grand plot to take all their guns!

Ah yes because this government hasn't passed the patriot act, or started a war on drugs and there's no mass incarceration.

This government has proven at every turn they'll take a mile if you give an inch and any citizen worth his salt should be fighting tooth and nail against giving up anything.

Anyone pro gun control because it makes people safer should be in full support of living like bubble boy in fortified homes with no outside contact with only special government trained safety monitors going around to check on and feed people.

Gun control is a war on liberty preying on people's irrational fears.
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John_Galt posted...

YoungMutual posted...

John_Galt posted...

YoungMutual posted...

Dark_Spiret posted...

because 1. you are effectively punishing 99.98% of the gun "community" for others fuckups. and 2. it never stops at mild regulations.

tax

Nope

"I refuse to give in even slightly even if it means schools around the world will keep getting targeted"

People like you are evil as fuck, no sugar coating it.

The tax burden is already too high for most people. We should be looking for ways to lower it, not continue to nickel and dime law abiding citizens

Why should we be looking for ways to lower the "tax burden" for gun owners? People whine about poor people getting their hands on smartphones yet you think we need to do something about making it easier for poor people to get guns?
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

Because they love to use the slippery slope fallacy. Even the tiniest and most innocent common sense regulations are clearly just the start of the govments grand plot to take all their guns!

Ah yes because this government hasn't passed the patriot act, or started a war on drugs and there's no mass incarceration.

This government has proven at every turn they'll take a mile if you give an inch and any citizen worth his salt should be fighting tooth and nail against giving up anything.

Anyone pro gun control because it makes people safer should be in full support of living like bubble boy in fortified homes with no outside contact with only special government trained safety monitors going around to check on and feed people.

Gun control is a war on liberty preying on people's irrational fears.

Yeah daily mass shootings directly caused by weapon availability = irrational fear.

Only developed country where this happens = irrational fear.

Making idiotic excuses while allowing shootings to happen to innocents is downright evil and selfish and we see it daily.
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Because none of the proposed ideas actually do anything and it's more about standing up against blatant emotionally charged gun ignorance.

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

standing up against blatant emotionally charged gun ignorance.

Which side are we exactly standing up against on emotionally charged gun ignorance again?
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Funny this went to taxes. Those used to be fairly simple things that ballooned into the nightmare we have today precisely because "a little" is never good enough and there always has to be more, and more, and more.....

It doesn't help your case when "mildly inconvenience" starts with mental health screenings paid for by increased cost of the product. What do you consider a mid-tier inconvenience at that point, or a major one? Do you have a line you wouldn't cross? Try and make it reasonable, not BS out of science fiction.
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YoungMutual posted...

Yeah daily mass shootings directly caused by weapon availability = irrational fear.

You're five times more likely to be stabbed to death and twice as likely to be punched or kicked to death as you are being shot to death with a rifle. If you aren't a criminal and aren't involved in a gang or the drug trade, your chance of being shot to death falls into statistical insignificance. Yes, that's an irrational fear.
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You really don't see the problem with "mildly inconveniencing" (which is putting it extremely lightly) law-abiding citizens because of the actions of a fringe minority of gun-owners?

@Conflict posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Conflict posted...

If you got angry at Dick's sporting goods raising the minimum age to purchase a firearm, that's pretty much a direct admittance that you want nothing to be done about this issue.

How would one store chain raising the age do anything about the issue?

You do know that the extreme vast majority of school shooters don't walk into a gun store and buy the gun they use in a school shooting, right?

The Parkland shooter bought a firearm from Dick's. That's why they did it.

No it wasn't. They may have sold a gun to him in the past, but the gun he used was purchased from another place called Sunrise Tactical Supply.
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YoungMutual posted...

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

Because they love to use the slippery slope fallacy. Even the tiniest and most innocent common sense regulations are clearly just the start of the govments grand plot to take all their guns!

Ah yes because this government hasn't passed the patriot act, or started a war on drugs and there's no mass incarceration.

This government has proven at every turn they'll take a mile if you give an inch and any citizen worth his salt should be fighting tooth and nail against giving up anything.

Anyone pro gun control because it makes people safer should be in full support of living like bubble boy in fortified homes with no outside contact with only special government trained safety monitors going around to check on and feed people.

Gun control is a war on liberty preying on people's irrational fears.

Yeah daily mass shootings directly caused by weapon availability = irrational fear.

Only developed country where this happens = irrational fear.

Making idiotic excuses while allowing shootings to happen to innocents is downright evil and selfish and we see it daily.

In 2016 there were 374 homicides using a rifle (not just scary black ones, all rifles). Well round this up to 400 scary black rifle homicides including adults and children.

There are roughly 5,700,00 public school children.

That's well under a .00007% chance of being impacted. Yes if this is your fear it is most certainly irrational.

Whoops 50,700,000 school children. I guess just multiply your irrationality by around 10 fold.
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YoungMutual posted...

These guys are some of the most selfish borderline evil people alive. The refuse to make even a single concession even if it means saving some lives.

because they believe more restrictions will lead to more death and problems down the line. less means of deterrence and defense=more authoritarian control and oppression. the US specifically is in its bed so deep and its situation so unique that some gun restrictions isnt going to pull itself out of its problems, but instead would most likely make things worse. one side is thinking short term while the other is thinking long.

Conflict posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Conflict posted...

If you got angry at Dick's sporting goods raising the minimum age to purchase a firearm, that's pretty much a direct admittance that you want nothing to be done about this issue.

How would one store chain raising the age do anything about the issue?

You do know that the extreme vast majority of school shooters don't walk into a gun store and buy the gun they use in a school shooting, right?

The Parkland shooter bought a firearm from Dick's. That's why they did it.

wut

This is EXACTLY the kind of bullshit gungrabbers spew that proves how fucking moronic it is to allow them to dictate gun policy.
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