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Rimmer_Dall
05/26/18 9:03:22 PM
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QueenCarly posted...

Trans women are born women - literal indisputable truth

No, if they were born women they wouldn't need sex reassignment surgery to deal with their dysphoria. If they were born women they wouldn't have any gender dysphoria to begin with. This is a beyond ridiculous statement.
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QueenCarly
05/26/18 9:05:42 PM
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Rimmer_Dall posted...
QueenCarly posted...

Trans women are born women - literal indisputable truth

No, if they were born women they wouldn't need sex reassignment surgery to deal with their dysphoria. If they were born women they wouldn't have any gender dysphoria to begin with. This is a beyond ridiculous statement.


Gender dysphoria is not a requirement for one to be trans ldo
many trans people never have gender confirmation surgery

Those people are still the gender they identify as - surgery/transition or not.
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tennisdude818
05/26/18 9:06:41 PM
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Conflict posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
Everybody knows that being trans is a major dealbreaker for many guys. Because some trans people find that preference to be highly offensive, they make the selfish decision to not disclose the fact that they are trans.


Wouldn't it also be selfish to think they're obligated to disclose that to you? I mean, that logic sounds like something that could pretty easily go both ways

FWIW I also think they should disclose as well. I just don't think they're selfish for not doing it


I don't see how it would go both ways. What you do with your body is your decision. If you don't want to get physical with a trans person, that preference is your right.

Edit: The selfish position would be, "I get to have sex with that person regardless of his preferences."
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DarkProto05
05/26/18 9:07:24 PM
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Conflict posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
Everybody knows that being trans is a major dealbreaker for many guys. Because some trans people find that preference to be highly offensive, they make the selfish decision to not disclose the fact that they are trans.


Wouldn't it also be selfish to think they're obligated to disclose that to you? I mean, that logic sounds like something that could pretty easily go both ways

FWIW I also think they should disclose as well. I just don't think they're selfish for not doing it

If they want to get intimate the man's need to know is much more important than the tran's privacy. Much more. This isn't the same as telling a friend who has no business knowing. Don't know why you people can't understand this.
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Rimmer_Dall
05/26/18 9:07:26 PM
#157:


QueenCarly posted...
Gender dysphoria is not a requirement for one to be trans ldo

Yes. Yes it is. It is literally textbook medical requirement. I don't care what you learned in your gender studies class, gender dysphoria is what defines a trans person.
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QueenCarly
05/26/18 9:09:27 PM
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Rimmer_Dall posted...
QueenCarly posted...
Gender dysphoria is not a requirement for one to be trans ldo

Yes. Yes it is. It is literally textbook medical requirement. I don't care what you learned in your gender studies class, gender dysphoria is what defines a trans person.


No it isn't

Identifying as anything other than the gender you were assigned at birth is what defines a trans person
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Rimmer_Dall
05/26/18 9:13:06 PM
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QueenCarly posted...
Identifying as anything other than the gender you were assigned at birth is what defines a trans person

No, that's the tumblr definition of transgenderism. Tumblr has people who say they identify as dragons too. I don't care. Gender dysphoria is a serious condition and these pretenders are pretty much just openly mocking the people suffering and all too often committing suicide because of the real deal. I don't even have a drop of respect for these tumblr trenders who call themselves trans without even suffering from a hint of dysphoria.
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DoomSwell
05/26/18 9:14:23 PM
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QueenCarly posted...
Rimmer_Dall posted...
QueenCarly posted...
Gender dysphoria is not a requirement for one to be trans ldo

Yes. Yes it is. It is literally textbook medical requirement. I don't care what you learned in your gender studies class, gender dysphoria is what defines a trans person.


No it isn't

Identifying as anything other than the gender you were assigned at birth is what defines a trans person


Gender Dysphoria, Noun.
Identifying as anything other than the gender you were assigned at birth

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05/26/18 9:15:43 PM
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Panthera posted...
DarkProto05 posted...
Seems like straight males are the only demographic that people don't care about if they were mentally traumatized.
Did I miss the memo on transgender people only ever being able to sleep with straight men? Because if that memo isn't a thing than this whole conversation applies to literally anyone of any gender or orientation
No. It would be shitty to do to Lesbians as well.

I'd say the same applies to trans-women, but it's pretty hard to pull that one off.
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Rimmer_Dall
05/26/18 9:16:12 PM
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DoomSwell posted...


Gender Dysphoria, Noun.

Identifying as anything other than the gender you were assigned at birth

Yeah, try again. It's a friggin medical condition, also known as GID.
https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/gender-dysphoria#1

It's not "identifying as the opposite gender" so much as it is feeling severe anxiety and depression because you aren't the opposite gender. Don't make light of it.
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DoomSwell
05/26/18 9:19:49 PM
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Rimmer_Dall posted...
Don't make light of it.

I was agreeing with you, not making fun of it.
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Rimmer_Dall
05/26/18 9:21:51 PM
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DoomSwell posted...
Rimmer_Dall posted...
Don't make light of it.

I was agreeing with you, not making fun of it.

I thought you were quoting me. My bad. Though the definition you quoted seems very incomplete, which is partly why I didn't notice.
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DoomSwell
05/26/18 9:24:32 PM
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Rimmer_Dall posted...
Though the definition you quoted seemed very incomplete.

Perhaps, I worded it that way because I was trying to point out how dumb the other person was being by using their own words.

I mean they were basically saying "Just because something is a cat doesn't mean it's a feline."
But its like, uh, yeah, it does.
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Rimmer_Dall
05/26/18 9:27:50 PM
#167:


DoomSwell posted...
Perhaps, I worded it that way because I was trying to point out how dumb the other person was being by using their own words.

I mean they were basically saying "Just because something is a cat doesn't mean it's a feline."
But its like, uh, yeah, it does.

Yeah, I noticed that now that I've read exactly what you quoted and have the context. Really, my bad. Should've paid more attention. >_>
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Rimmer_Dall
05/26/18 9:54:25 PM
#168:


Conflict posted...
What the reality is is that transpeople are born with the brains of the opposite gender of their physical sex.

By the way, this is not true. While there is a difference in the brain of a trans person and a normal person, it's not the same as that of a person of the opposite sex. Relying too heavily on scans and the like to diagnose dysphoria has led to the very unfortunate situation that people are misdiagnosed as trans at an early age and then turn out to have just been gay when they grow to adulthood. With prepubescent children the amount of misdiagnoses where the person has gone through with gender reassignment surgery and then regretted it later and transitioned back is upwards to 90% depending on which study you go by (no study I know of has the number below 60%). For people that have their surgery after their 20s it's only around 2% that regret it and transition back.
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BigSLM1993
05/26/18 10:05:06 PM
#169:


QueenCarly posted...
Rimmer_Dall posted...
QueenCarly posted...

Trans women are born women - literal indisputable truth

No, if they were born women they wouldn't need sex reassignment surgery to deal with their dysphoria. If they were born women they wouldn't have any gender dysphoria to begin with. This is a beyond ridiculous statement.


Gender dysphoria is not a requirement for one to be trans ldo
many trans people never have gender confirmation surgery

Those people are still the gender they identify as - surgery/transition or not.


I think we're just playing semantics when we say they're born "women." To be precise the point being made is that they're not cisgender women.

Sure they're born as women, but they are not born as cisgender women. And some men will only want to date a cisgender woman, particularly if they want to have biological children with their partner (not everyone wants to adopt).

Transwomen cannot fulfill the same desires a man might want from a cisgender woman. Not that I think dating transwomen is wrong, whatever floats people's boats. But to treat them as if they're the same thing is doing a disservice to transwomen and cisgender women.

I personally think it just makes things easier to disclose to your partner if you're trans. If they're cool with it, even better. Why be in a relationship terrified that one day a potential dealbreaker may come out? That person obviously isn't the one for you if being trans is a dealbreaker
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The Wheelman1
05/26/18 10:46:23 PM
#170:


Yes. Not telling your partner is a good way to get shot.
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WindMouseHanpan
05/26/18 11:09:39 PM
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Absolutely.
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DoctorVader
05/26/18 11:58:38 PM
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Yes. People shouldn't take deceiving lightly with anything. You never know how the person might react, especially something that could actually cause the victim psychological trauma. We've seen cases of violence for this, and I don't think that's gonna fully change for a few more generations.

Normal assumption is that straight males want biological females. The other assumption is that most women out there were born biologically female. When you're the outlier and 100% know it causes problems, it's best to be up front.

It should not be on the other person because it's not really a viable conversation to bring up on a date no matter how you try to phrase it or how subtle you are. Women are not stupid. They can tell you're implying something about them.
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CatataFish462
05/27/18 8:39:45 AM
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To withhold this information would technically be rape.
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Garioshi
05/27/18 8:50:09 AM
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Garioshi posted...
If you don't ask about whether your partner has any sort of dealbreaker for you, that's on you.

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CatataFish462
05/27/18 8:52:01 AM
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Eevee-Trainer posted...
It's certainly not something you should hide from romantic partners. If just because how often it backfires on you if you do. (Plus the moral consequences of lying and deceit and all that.)

I've always make an effort to disclose it to potential partners for that reason. Haven't actually run into instances where it lost me a relationship but then again we're talking about a small number anyhow.


I always disclose that I am not transgender
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CatataFish462
05/27/18 8:58:27 AM
#176:


Cal12 posted...
Offworlder1 posted...
@Cal12

You do not get to pretend to have the moral high ground when your saying you would kill a transgender over omission.


Get over it. They dont get to omit the fact that they are MtF transition if they want to engage in a sexual relationship with a man. Its not about the moral high ground for me.


True

And, moral high ground? Theres nothing moral about withholding information like this.
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im not 13
05/27/18 8:58:30 AM
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Any person that hides such information from me isn't going to be my partner for long
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CatataFish462
05/27/18 9:00:53 AM
#178:


Metro2 posted...
No one deserves to be tricked into something they dont want to do.


Such BS. Attitudes like this are EXACTLY why transphobia exists. Trans people are not out to "trick" anyone, and it places a stupid burden in people who aren't cis.


If this is so, then make sure you are honest with your partners.
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QueenCarly
05/27/18 9:38:03 AM
#179:


CatataFish462 posted...
To withhold this information would technically be rape.


Lol
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tennisdude818
05/27/18 9:43:45 AM
#180:


If you are trans, why not limit sexual encounters to people who are willing to sleep with trans people? Whats the downside in telling your potential partner before things get physical?
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looked
05/27/18 10:36:54 AM
#181:


tennisdude818 posted...
If you are trans, why not limit sexual encounters to people who are willing to sleep with trans people? Whats the downside in telling your potential partner before things get physical?


Because people are telling them that they are real females, if they are, than shouldnt have to tell you. They dont care about respecting your feelings, because if you disagree, you are an intolerant bigot.
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tennisdude818
05/27/18 11:39:22 AM
#182:


looked posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
If you are trans, why not limit sexual encounters to people who are willing to sleep with trans people? Whats the downside in telling your potential partner before things get physical?


Because people are telling them that they are real females, if they are, than shouldnt have to tell you. They dont care about respecting your feelings, because if you disagree, you are an intolerant bigot.


A biological female =\= a trans female. That doesnt mean that nobody should transition or that they dont genuinely feel female. But if you are trans and you resent the fact that some people dont want to sleep with you because of that, thats just something you should accept and work through. My preference to only sleep with biological females is no less valid than a trans persons preference to identify as the opposite gender.
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thelovefist
05/27/18 1:09:42 PM
#183:


tennisdude818 posted...
A biological female =\= a trans female.


I thought posting this was moddable here?
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Bio1590
05/27/18 5:51:19 PM
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Interesting that the same sort of people who advocate for "personal responsibility" are so eager to remove one of the parties in this situation from it.
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CatataFish462
05/27/18 7:06:19 PM
#185:


DarkProto05 posted...
Seems like straight males are the only demographic that people don't care about if they were mentally traumatized.

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CatataFish462
05/27/18 7:09:43 PM
#186:


Rimmer_Dall posted...
QueenCarly posted...
Gender dysphoria is not a requirement for one to be trans ldo

Yes. Yes it is. It is literally textbook medical requirement. I don't care what you learned in your gender studies class, gender dysphoria is what defines a trans person.


Qft
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iPhone_7
05/27/18 7:12:30 PM
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Has the person completed transition? If theyre no longer a man then they dont need to bring it up. They are a woman. #CheckYourPrivilege
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