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frozenshock
05/27/18 9:42:02 AM
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I mean, come on... not him too.

The way I feel right now is that I'm starting to wonder if every male celebrity is going to have something like this come up at some point.

It's like I don't even know who to look up to anymore because I just feel like something's going to come up about them from one day to the next.

Just sucks, man.

I mean, even Robin fucking Williams has been accused of grabbing boobs on set.

Who's next?
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catboy0_0
05/27/18 9:42:52 AM
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YOU'RE NExT
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Howl
05/27/18 9:43:12 AM
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Don't ever become famous if you are a man is the moral of this story.
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Smashingpmkns
05/27/18 9:44:18 AM
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Howl posted...
Don't ever become famous if you are a man is the moral of this story.


Or just, you know, don't sexually harass anyone.
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pegusus123456
05/27/18 9:45:04 AM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Howl posted...
Don't ever become famous if you are a man is the moral of this story.


Or just, you know, don't sexually harass anyone.

Like George Takei and Aziz Ansari
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Shuto-uke
05/27/18 9:46:01 AM
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the pendulum's swinging too far.

Have you ever been in a bar and some girl passes by and rubs your biceps with her hand? #MenToo! Have you ever been playfully smacked in the ass by a female friend? #MenToo! Has a girl ever hit you in the nuts? Time to take it up a notch, it's an assault. It's also in your sexual parts, so it's sexual assault. You can now talk about the immense pain you felt, how humiliating it was and how you felt she "stripped you off your power", how now you can't feel safe around women again and feel every time a body part comes within 12 inches of your nuts you think you're going to face excruciating pain! #PainGap

See how ridiculous this sounds? If we switch the genders it would totally fly
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Howl
05/27/18 9:47:47 AM
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Shuto-uke posted...
the pendulum's swinging too far.

Have you ever been in a bar and some girl passes by and rubs your biceps with her hand? #MenToo! Have you ever been playfully smacked in the ass by a female friend? #MenToo! Has a girl ever hit you in the nuts? Time to take it up a notch, it's an assault. It's also in your sexual parts, so it's sexual assault. You can now talk about the immense pain you felt, how humiliating it was and how you felt she "stripped you off your power", how now you can't feel safe around women again and feel every time a body part comes within 12 inches of your nuts you think you're going to face excruciating pain! #PainGap

See how ridiculous this sounds? If we switch the genders it would totally fly


That's literally exactly what they're doing. Equating people like Harvey Weinstein with Aziz Ansari is completely logical to them.
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Smashingpmkns
05/27/18 9:50:23 AM
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pegusus123456 posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
Howl posted...
Don't ever become famous if you are a man is the moral of this story.


Or just, you know, don't sexually harass anyone.

Like George Takei and Aziz Ansari


Except they were both quickly 'cleared' because they didn't sexually harass anyone.
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Gamer99z
05/27/18 9:51:14 AM
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People need to stop idolizing celebrities that have done things they enjoy but have never met personally or know anything about. It's the blind idolization that leads to certain celebrities feeling like they can get away with it or people not believing it.

Look how many people defended Cosby for decades all because they liked him and be was actively a serial date rapist during that time.

Really wish people could get better about separating the art from the artist. I know it can be rough when someone you idolize does something terrible you didn't think they were capable of, but you have to understand they're just people, and people can do fucked up things unfortunately.

When something like this comes out the reaction should try be "not him too!" or "I can't believe he of all people would do that!" or sometimes straight up denial. It should be to reserve demonizing them, but to take the accusations seriously but cautiously so until a proper investigation has been done into the matter and if found guilty it shouldn't be "I never would've expected him to do that!" because frankly you don't know them, they could be a completely different person behind closed doors. At that point the attention should immediately shift to accepting you didn't know them and they did a bad thing and giving sympathy and respect to the victim(s).

This isn't directed at you TC, just a general observation.
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Omega Hunter
05/27/18 9:53:49 AM
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I have touched girls on the ass in good fun. Girls have touched me on the ass, or rubbed my pecs, etc.

I'm not famous so its perfectly ok. These laws are fucked.
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Gamer99z
05/27/18 9:55:25 AM
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Omega Hunter posted...
I have touched girls on the ass in good fun. Girls have touched me on the ass, or rubbed my pecs, etc.

I'm not famous so its perfectly ok. These laws are fucked.

If you worked somewhere with an HR department that does their job properly, no that wouldn't be "perfectly ok."
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SpiralDrift
05/27/18 9:57:15 AM
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Morgan Freeman? More like Morgan Prisonman.
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Gamer99z
05/27/18 9:57:42 AM
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SpiralDrift posted...
Morgan Freeman? More like Morgan Prisonman.

Going back to Shawshank
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Shuto-uke
05/27/18 9:58:48 AM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
pegusus123456 posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
Howl posted...
Don't ever become famous if you are a man is the moral of this story.


Or just, you know, don't sexually harass anyone.

Like George Takei and Aziz Ansari


Except they were both quickly 'cleared' because they didn't sexually harass anyone.


Not before they lost sleep over potential reputation loss and the death of their careers and a bunch of tumblrinas asking for people to slowly rip off their testicles away from their bodies, because, equality
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saspa
05/27/18 10:01:53 AM
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could you imagine morgan freeman harassing/feeling up someone's behind in that trademark voice of his, describing what he's doing? It would be something quite odd in a way

Anyway I think I'd only really be upset if someone dared to accuse keanu reeves of harassment. I already know that most of the accused like mf are innocent anyway
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frozenshock
05/27/18 10:03:50 AM
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Wayne Gretzky once said something illuminating:

http://www.hockeyfights.com/forums/f16/text-statement-wayne-gretzky-46684/

His friends describe Gretzky as a man always careful never to be in a bad situation.

John Davidson, another Gretzky friend and a longtime New York Rangers broadcaster, says Gretzky will walk out of an elevator if he is alone and a woman walks in.

Gretzky won't put himself in a position that might lead to problems.

"You can learn a lot from watching Wayne Gretzky day to day," Davidson said from New York.

Muckler, who coached Gretzky in Edmonton, shares the same view.

"He was very conscious, always, of his image," Muckler said. "I remember when he would always make sure he had somebody to walk with if he walked the streets on the road."

Davidson recalls road trips on charters when Gretzky wouldn't play cards with Ranger teammates.

"I remember vividly that some of the guys would be playing cards for money and Wayne would never join, not once," said Davidson. "He didn't get it. He just doesn't gamble."

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SpiralDrift
05/27/18 10:08:18 AM
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saspa posted...
Anyway I think I'd only really be upset if someone dared to accuse keanu reeves of harassment. I already know that most of the accused like mf are innocent anyway

There are photos of him actually doing hover hand in photos with female fans so I'd never believe it even if he was accused.
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Sad_Face
05/27/18 10:11:00 AM
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Morgan Freeman's criticism make it sound like he's just a dirty old man with a 1970's mindset. He doesn't have the situational awareness realize that the way he jokes around makes his female subordinates uncomfortable. I mean, you can get away with pulling up a girl's skirt (kinda extreme for a prank) but you have to be cognizant of how they'll feel about it. Quick example; I've slapped my friend on the ass, "yo homie, you got chalk stains on your butt" (she did at the time) and neither of us thought much of it. We're cool like that. But when a neighbor who she barely knows tried that, she smacked him upside the head, reeled him by the ear like a harpooned whale to just inches from her nose and cussed him the hell out, all with her baby in the other arm.

Sounds like all you need to do right now is sit this guy down, preferably at Starbucks, look him dead in the eye and calmly say "It is 2018. WOMEN HAVE RIGHTS NOW. Get. With. The program".

Boom, problem solved.
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Omega Hunter
05/27/18 10:15:04 AM
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My being playful with women was really when I was much younger. This past year I have made it a point to avoid women. Considering I'm the boss too it kinda suck for the women in my office.
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masticatingman
05/27/18 10:18:05 AM
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Maybe you shouldnt look up to A list celebrity actors? Theyre not moral authorities. And even if youre a so called moral authority, that doesnt mean shit behind closed doors.
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Funkydog
05/27/18 10:21:58 AM
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SpiralDrift posted...
saspa posted...
Anyway I think I'd only really be upset if someone dared to accuse keanu reeves of harassment. I already know that most of the accused like mf are innocent anyway

There are photos of him actually doing hover hand in photos with female fans so I'd never believe it even if he was accused.

He's admitted to doing it to my knowledge, so not sure what is to not believe.
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vicedungwinsgam
05/27/18 10:26:08 AM
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another famous black person getting accused of rape way after the fact?

huh, wonder who Morgan pissed off.

Smashingpmkns posted...
Howl posted...
Don't ever become famous if you are a man is the moral of this story.


Or just, you know, don't sexually harass anyone.


Oh, you know for sure? Because you're speaking like it was a fact. Are you the victim?
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vicedungwinsgam
05/27/18 10:28:09 AM
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Gamer99z posted...
Look how many people defended Cosby for decades all because they liked him and be was actively a serial date rapist during that time.


I'd bet my families lives that Cosby raped no one.

I'd double down with that bet by betting my entire retirement savings that his accusers were paid.

Blood pressure and heart rate wouldn't even change. I'd sleep fine that very night.
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Smashingpmkns
05/27/18 10:28:25 AM
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vicedungwinsgam posted...
another famous black person getting accused of rape way after the fact?

huh, wonder who Morgan pissed off.

Smashingpmkns posted...
Howl posted...
Don't ever become famous if you are a man is the moral of this story.


Or just, you know, don't sexually harass anyone.


Oh, you know for sure? Because you're speaking like it was a fact. Are you the victim?


If he didn't sexually harass anyone he will be cleared pretty quickly like the rest of the ones who were wrongfully accused. Just so happens that the majority of these people who have been accused fucking did it.
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Cocytus
05/27/18 10:30:34 AM
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Man it's all bullshit. A million years later and these bitches want to get on the band wagon and talk shit. "Ohhh, he lifted up my skirt!" Fuck that shit. Why tell it now, IF it really happened at all...?
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Funkydog
05/27/18 10:32:44 AM
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vicedungwinsgam posted...
another famous black person getting accused of rape way after the fact?

huh, wonder who Morgan pissed off.

Noone is accusing him of rape.

He is simply being accused of sexual harassment - via inappropriate touching, or in what he said to various women. Clearly nowhere near as bad as some, but not something to just brush off and ignore. Women (and men) shouldn't be made to feel scared and unwelcome because of some pervy arsehole.
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Cocytus
05/27/18 10:36:21 AM
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Funkydog posted...
vicedungwinsgam posted...
another famous black person getting accused of rape way after the fact?

huh, wonder who Morgan pissed off.

Noone is accusing him of rape.

He is simply being accused of sexual harassment - via inappropriate touching, or in what he said to various women. Clearly nowhere near as bad as some, but not something to just brush off and ignore. Women (and men) shouldn't be made to feel scared and unwelcome because of some pervy arsehole.

Yeah, but if they are, they should tell about it right away. You can't let a million years go by and then turn around and make accusations against him. Out of all those women, not one went to a higher power or called the cops. So why now,
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Funkydog
05/27/18 10:38:25 AM
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Cocytus posted...
Yeah, but if they are, they should tell about it right away. You can't let a million years go by and then turn around and make accusations against him. Out of all those women, not one went to a higher power or called the cops. So why now,

Scared of the consequences of accusing a high profile star who could easily see them lose their jobs?
Felt it was very unlikely anyone who care/believe them?
Simply thought it was the norm at the time, and now people are realising it isn't and he hasn't changed, someone needs to speak up?

Saying "why didn't the victim speak up at the time" isn't really understanding the dynamics at play in situations of abuse.
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Gamer99z
05/27/18 10:38:45 AM
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vicedungwinsgam posted...
Gamer99z posted...
Look how many people defended Cosby for decades all because they liked him and be was actively a serial date rapist during that time.


I'd bet my families lives that Cosby raped no one.

I'd double down with that bet by betting my entire retirement savings that his accusers were paid.

Blood pressure and heart rate wouldn't even change. I'd sleep fine that very night.

Exhibit A of how not to glorify and idolize celebrities.

https://www.cnn.com/2015/07/07/us/bill-cosby-quaaludes-sexual-assault-allegations/index.html
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thronedfire2
05/27/18 10:39:06 AM
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A million years ago? The stuff hes being accused of was as recent as 2015
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Squall28
05/27/18 10:39:47 AM
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vicedungwinsgam posted...
Gamer99z posted...
Look how many people defended Cosby for decades all because they liked him and be was actively a serial date rapist during that time.


I'd bet my families lives that Cosby raped no one.

I'd double down with that bet by betting my entire retirement savings that his accusers were paid.

Blood pressure and heart rate wouldn't even change. I'd sleep fine that very night.


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Cocytus
05/27/18 10:43:18 AM
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thronedfire2 posted...
A million years ago? The stuff hes being accused of was as recent as 2015

Even three years is too long. If it happened, go tell someone then, not when it's chic to accuse someone 3 or more years down the road.
C'mon mang, if someone messed with you sexually, would you really wait to tell?
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Funkydog
05/27/18 10:44:01 AM
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Cocytus posted...
thronedfire2 posted...
A million years ago? The stuff hes being accused of was as recent as 2015

Even three years is too long. If it happened, go tell someone then, not when it's chic to accuse someone 3 or more years down the road.
C'mon mang, if someone messed with you sexually, would you really wait to tell?

Funkydog posted...
Scared of the consequences of accusing a high profile star who could easily see them lose their jobs?
Felt it was very unlikely anyone who care/believe them?
Simply thought it was the norm at the time, and now people are realising it isn't and he hasn't changed, someone needs to speak up?

Saying "why didn't the victim speak up at the time" isn't really understanding the dynamics at play in situations of abuse.

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Cocytus
05/27/18 10:47:51 AM
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Look at Gwyneth Paltrow. She told Brad Pitt right away and Brad went down there to whoop some ass, all in a timely matter.
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Smashingpmkns
05/27/18 10:50:47 AM
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Cocytus posted...
thronedfire2 posted...
A million years ago? The stuff hes being accused of was as recent as 2015

Even three years is too long. If it happened, go tell someone then, not when it's chic to accuse someone 3 or or more years down the road.
C'mon mang, if someone messed with you sexually, would you really wait to tell?


Fear of losing your job or opportunities is a real thing. This happens all the time. Hell, this happens when people's lives are at stake and isn't just a case with sexual harassment.
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thronedfire2
05/27/18 10:52:20 AM
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Cocytus posted...
thronedfire2 posted...
A million years ago? The stuff hes being accused of was as recent as 2015

Even three years is too long. If it happened, go tell someone then, not when it's chic to accuse someone 3 or more years down the road.
C'mon mang, if someone messed with you sexually, would you really wait to tell?


It took me 21 years to tell anyone, and Ive still only told one person
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Cocytus
05/27/18 10:56:28 AM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Cocytus posted...
thronedfire2 posted...
A million years ago? The stuff hes being accused of was as recent as 2015

Even three years is too long. If it happened, go tell someone then, not when it's chic to accuse someone 3 or or more years down the road.
C'mon mang, if someone messed with you sexually, would you really wait to tell?


Fear of losing your job or opportunities is a real thing. This happens all the time. Hell, this happens when people's lives are at stake and isn't just a case with sexual harassment.

I can sympathize with that point of view in some cases, but this shit is getting to be to much. I still maintain you go to higher ups in the company or call the law. If you're afraid of getting fired because you tell on someone, then maybe it wasn't as bad as they say now. And think about this, if not for Weinstein and a couple others, Morgan freeman would go to his grave without a single allegation made towards him. The shit is en vogue.
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Cocytus
05/27/18 11:06:31 AM
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thronedfire2 posted...
It took me 21 years to tell anyone, and Ive still only told one person

I'm sorry that something bad happened to you. I guess I'm just saying my perspective, because I know I wouldn't put up with no one's shit for a second. I'm the kind of guy that when something fucked up happens, I go tell.
I'm a teacher. And one year this bitch administrator kept giving me bad reviews out of nowhere. Then she wants to see me in her office. She said I need to get in touch with Christ through Catholicism. I played along just to get her out of my hair. She's satisfied. Then she comes back to my room with stellar ratings on account she thought I took up Catholicism. So my evaluation was being based on faith. When I started seeing the good reviews and how they were tied to religion and not my performance, boy you best believe I went to the principal and a couple of others. They took that bitch off my ass forever. She wasn't my evaluator anymore. She couldn't talk to me. And eventually my report got her dismissed from that school. It's hard, but if someone done you wrong you have a duty to stick up for yourself in a timely manner.
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Smashingpmkns
05/27/18 11:13:21 AM
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Cocytus posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
Cocytus posted...
thronedfire2 posted...
A million years ago? The stuff hes being accused of was as recent as 2015

Even three years is too long. If it happened, go tell someone then, not when it's chic to accuse someone 3 or or more years down the road.
C'mon mang, if someone messed with you sexually, would you really wait to tell?


Fear of losing your job or opportunities is a real thing. This happens all the time. Hell, this happens when people's lives are at stake and isn't just a case with sexual harassment.

I can sympathize with that point of view in some cases, but this shit is getting to be to much. I still maintain you go to higher ups in the company or call the law. If you're afraid of getting fired because you tell on someone, then maybe it wasn't as bad as they say now. And think about this, if not for Weinstein and a couple others, Morgan freeman would go to his grave without a single allegation made towards him. The shit is en vogue.


This happens all the time though. A lot of the time higher ups are either involved or are more concerned about protecting someone who's "more important" than the accuser.

This actually just happened at my job. The GM was a rampant sexual predator to the point where HR was basically a revolving door for his accusers but he was protected by the director of the office. This was 100% known by everyone in the office. For years this was going on, most of the accusers lost their jobs in one way or the other. Finally the director got promoted and a few months later the GM got fired for sexual harassment.
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emblem boy
05/27/18 11:18:11 AM
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@Omega Hunter posted...
My being playful with women was really when I was much younger. This past year I have made it a point to avoid women. Considering I'm the boss too it kinda suck for the women in my office.


That's such a drastic step to take. Don't put yourself in bad situations and make unnecessary jokes sure, but you don't have to avoid the women employed under you. Come on bro. Don't over correct
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red_rocket_yum
05/27/18 11:18:12 AM
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Omg ikr cuz like he's like the best human being ever cuz like his shit doesn't stink so it's like noooo not the crazed old loon who shares my liberal ideology!
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Jeff AKA Snoopy
05/27/18 11:19:07 AM
#43:


I don't know the allegations against Freeman, but is it a case of an old man being a dirty old man? Not that he should be absolved of anything, but not that many years ago it was an entirely different time.
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The Great Muta 22
05/27/18 11:20:17 AM
#44:


Cocytus posted...
but if someone done you wrong you have a duty to stick up for yourself in a timely manner


No, you don't.
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Cocytus
05/27/18 11:20:34 AM
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red_rocket_yum posted...
Omg ikr cuz like he's like the best human being ever cuz like his shit doesn't stink so it's like noooo not the crazed old loon who shares my liberal ideology!

Oh my God, your sarcasm proves EVERYTHING. Someone go get Gloria Steinem.
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Cocytus
05/27/18 11:22:13 AM
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The Great Muta 22 posted...
Cocytus posted...
but if someone done you wrong you have a duty to stick up for yourself in a timely manner


No, you don't.

Your perspective brah. Your argument is wait until the distant future. Makes little sense.
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Sariana21
05/27/18 11:22:27 AM
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vicedungwinsgam posted...
Gamer99z posted...
Look how many people defended Cosby for decades all because they liked him and be was actively a serial date rapist during that time.


I'd bet my families lives that Cosby raped no one.

I'd double down with that bet by betting my entire retirement savings that his accusers were paid.

Blood pressure and heart rate wouldn't even change. I'd sleep fine that very night.

He admitted to slipping them drugs. If he then had sex with them, that's rape. They're called "(date) rape drugs" for a reason.
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Cocytus
05/27/18 11:25:43 AM
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PS: Why isn't anyone impeaching the President for all his sexual harassment? If we're so concerned about this issue, then Trump is fair game too. Yet he holds the highest position in the land. Double standard?
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The Great Muta 22
05/27/18 11:27:51 AM
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Cocytus posted...
PS: Why isn't anyone impeaching the President for all his sexual harassment? If we're so concerned about this issue, then Trump is fair game too. Yet he holds the highest position in the land. Double standard?


Well that's just a stupid comment and completely ignorant to reality
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Cocytus
05/27/18 11:29:10 AM
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The Great Muta 22 posted...
Cocytus posted...
PS: Why isn't anyone impeaching the President for all his sexual harassment? If we're so concerned about this issue, then Trump is fair game too. Yet he holds the highest position in the land. Double standard?


Well that's just a stupid comment and completely ignorant to reality

A conclusion without substance. Way to go.
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Number090684
05/27/18 11:29:27 AM
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Just calm down for a moment. He hasn't legitimately admitted anything, despite so many people taking his general blanket apology as a admition of guilt. Give it time and we'll see how it all plays out.
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