Current Events > "Tax cuts for the rich are great incase I get rich someday!!"

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The logic of every non-rich conservative ever lmfao
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I don't knock the rich for wanting to keep their money. Whether they came from nothing or inherited it, their money belongs to them.

Since they have more money, even if they are taxed at a lower percent they are still paying more money
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StarKnight23 posted...

I don't knock the rich for wanting to keep their money. Whether they came from nothing or inherited it, their money belongs to them.

Since they have more money, even if they are taxed at a lower percent they are still paying more money

oh good, lets lower taxes on them then and raise taxes on the poor

oh wait we did that and people still support them
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My sig is an appropriate response to TC.
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tennisdude818 posted...

My sig is an appropriate response to TC.

The United States was founded in the idea of taxation with representation.
Taxes are not theft.
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Webmaster4531 posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

My sig is an appropriate response to TC.

The United States was founded in the idea of taxation with representation.
Taxes are not theft.

How is this even relevant? Thomas Sowell would not say that taxation is theft anyway.
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im not rich. the tax cuts have been good for me.

Would that make the liberal strawman equivalent:

I can safely raise taxes on the rich because I assume I'm never going to succeed at anything.

I won't argue it's a dumb position, but at least it sounds like people that have drive to be better.
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tennisdude818 posted...

Webmaster4531 posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

My sig is an appropriate response to TC.

The United States was founded in the idea of taxation with representation.
Taxes are not theft.

How is this even relevant? Thomas Sowell would not say that taxation is theft anyway.

Good luck getting a liberal to admit they understand what that quote really means. They all do, but admitting it would go against their political position.
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tennisdude818 posted...

How is this even relevant?

The very first words in the title is Tax followed by cuts.

tennisdude818 posted...

Thomas Sowell would not say that taxation is theft anyway.

take somebody else's money.

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DarkTransient posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

Webmaster4531 posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

My sig is an appropriate response to TC.

The United States was founded in the idea of taxation with representation.
Taxes are not theft.

How is this even relevant? Thomas Sowell would not say that taxation is theft anyway.

Good luck getting a liberal to admit they understand what that quote really means. They all do, but admitting it would go against their political position.

Not really. It isn't greed to take someone else's money unless you do it for your own benefit.
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silentwing26x posted...

im not rich. the tax cuts have been good for me.

They were alright until gas prices went up and negated my savings

Better than if the cuts didn't happen I guess
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I like the tax bill, I'm really enjoying the extra $13.36 per paycheck #MAGA
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hopefully Trump gets to push a second round of tax cuts as well.
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Flat tax rate seems the most fair.
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Webmaster4531 posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

How is this even relevant?

The very first words in the title is Tax followed by cuts.

tennisdude818 posted...

Thomas Sowell would not say that taxation is theft anyway.

take somebody else's money.

Voting for the government to make other people pay your bills = taking their money through a middleman (government). What you are trying to argue is like a pro-choicer saying, "murder involves killing, therefore because abortion is not murder, that must mean that the unborn fetus isn't actually killed when aborted."
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I have never once herd that.

The argument is usually if companies/people make more money they spend more money. If people spend more money companies produce more. Companies producing more leads to hiring more. Hiring more leads to more spending. More spending leads to more production etc.

If you tax businesses they're making less money. Making less money they lay off workers. Workers laid off means less money being spent. Less money being spent means more layoffs etc.

Anyways taxation is theft and a free market will always out perform a restricted one. Private business will always be more effective and affordable than government run programs.

The federal government needs to be reigned in, spending cut, liberties restored and only then will be free and efficient.
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uwnim posted...

DarkTransient posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

Webmaster4531 posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

My sig is an appropriate response to TC.

The United States was founded in the idea of taxation with representation.
Taxes are not theft.

How is this even relevant? Thomas Sowell would not say that taxation is theft anyway.

Good luck getting a liberal to admit they understand what that quote really means. They all do, but admitting it would go against their political position.

Not really. It isn't greed to take someone else's money unless you do it for your own benefit.

That's who the quote is referring to. The "My body, your wallet" feminists, the Bernie bros that wanted other people to have to pay for their college education, etc.
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tremain07 posted...

hopefully Trump gets to push a second round of tax cuts as well.

Lmfao GL with that considering the incoming blue wave
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gmanthebest posted...

Flat tax rate seems the most fair.

Let's say the flat tax rate is 20%

I make $30,000 a year, someone else makes $300,000 a year.

The bare cost of living, i.e. the poverty line, might be $15,000 a year.

I am taxed 20% * $30K = $6,000, and I am left with $24,000

The rich person is 20% * 300K = $60,000, and is left with $24,000

$24,000 - $15,000 = $9,000 remaining over poverty

$240,000 - $15,000 = $225,000 remaining over poverty

That flat tax rate disproportionately hurts people that make less money, 20% for someone poor hurts the most because they are left with not much else after the bare essentials, whereas a rich person still has a healthy surplus of discretionary money.

The answer is progressive marginal tax brackets, which is what we have.

gmanthebest posted...

Flat tax rate seems the most fair.

Even better, a government so small that there is no income tax.
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People love tax the rich more because they can afford it. But they can just as easily increase taxes on the middle class as well because there are people in need.

I can barely support myself, and don't get government assistance because I make too much money, I wish you well but I got bills
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tennisdude818 posted...

Voting for the government to make other people pay your bills = taking their money through a middleman (government).

So the quote is saying Taxation is theft?
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littlebro07 posted...

silentwing26x posted...

im not rich. the tax cuts have been good for me.

They were alright until gas prices went up and negated my savings

Better than if the cuts didn't happen I guess

gas prices usually go up this time of year

Webmaster4531 posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

Voting for the government to make other people pay your bills = taking their money through a middleman (government).

So the quote is saying Taxation is theft?

tennisdude818 posted...

What you are trying to argue is like a pro-choicer saying, "murder involves killing, therefore because abortion is not murder, that must mean that the unborn fetus isn't actually killed when aborted."

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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

Private business will always be more effective and affordable than government run programs.

That is false. There are things that private companies are absolutely horrid at you get better results from the government. Generally the free market works, not because it is efficient(it really isn't) but because it results in multiple possibilities being tried simultaneously and poor performance is weeded out making it likely that an effective solution/process comes about.

tennisdude818 posted...

That's who the quote is referring to. The "My body, your wallet" feminists, the Bernie bros that wanted other people to have to pay for their college education, etc.

Fair enough.
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I just don't understand why you wouldn't want everyone in the country to get help if they need it. The more people who are doing well makes things better for everyone.
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tennisdude818 posted...

Webmaster4531 posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

Voting for the government to make other people pay your bills = taking their money through a middleman (government).

So the quote is saying Taxation is theft?

tennisdude818 posted...

What you are trying to argue is like a pro-choicer saying, "murder involves killing, therefore because abortion is not murder, that must mean that the unborn fetus isn't actually killed when aborted."

Oh so voting is greed.
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StarKnight23 posted...

I don't knock the rich for wanting to keep their money. Whether they came from nothing or inherited it, their money belongs to them.

Since they have more money, even if they are taxed at a lower percent they are still paying more money

It ain't THEIR money, if you think about it in a cosmic sense. Someone just transferred some of their money to them in exchange for a product or service. Just be glad you have the right to even participate in that kind of exchange. Could be worse, you could have a bullet in your heart instead.

In all seriousness though, these rich assholes ain't gonna pay for our roads and some programs that actually benefit everyone if they were given the choice.
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No non-rich person actually gives a shit about tax cuts to them one way or the other. It's just that they'll push back against whiny liberals who are anti-wealth and think any successful person is just lucky.

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

whiny liberals who are anti-wealth and think any successful person is just lucky.

CE is full of em

Webmaster4531 posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

Webmaster4531 posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

Voting for the government to make other people pay your bills = taking their money through a middleman (government).

So the quote is saying Taxation is theft?

tennisdude818 posted...

What you are trying to argue is like a pro-choicer saying, "murder involves killing, therefore because abortion is not murder, that must mean that the unborn fetus isn't actually killed when aborted."

Oh so voting is greed.

Greed can be an incentive for certain votes. What would you call it if Congress votes for obscene pay raises? Of if a CEO on a board votes for an excessive golden parachute?
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This tax cut is helping many people out, particularly those with families who are receiving double the child tax credit. Poor people who pay ZERO taxes are still going to be receiving a check because they have children.
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Lol get a job TC
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clearaflagrantj posted...

gmanthebest posted...

Flat tax rate seems the most fair.

Let's say the flat tax rate is 20%

I make $30,000 a year, someone else makes $300,000 a year.

The bare cost of living, i.e. the poverty line, might be $15,000 a year.

I am taxed 20% * $30K = $6,000, and I am left with $24,000

The rich person is 20% * 300K = $60,000, and is left with $24,000

$24,000 - $15,000 = $9,000 remaining over poverty

$240,000 - $15,000 = $225,000 remaining over poverty

That flat tax rate disproportionately hurts people that make less money, 20% for someone poor hurts the most because they are left with not much else after the bare essentials, whereas a rich person still has a healthy surplus of discretionary money.

So you're saying that both people have enough money to cover the bare essentials, plus some left over. Maybe the poor person could get a second job, or a better job entirely.
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gmanthebest posted...

clearaflagrantj posted...

gmanthebest posted...

Flat tax rate seems the most fair.

Let's say the flat tax rate is 20%

I make $30,000 a year, someone else makes $300,000 a year.

The bare cost of living, i.e. the poverty line, might be $15,000 a year.

I am taxed 20% * $30K = $6,000, and I am left with $24,000

The rich person is 20% * 300K = $60,000, and is left with $24,000

$24,000 - $15,000 = $9,000 remaining over poverty

$240,000 - $15,000 = $225,000 remaining over poverty

That flat tax rate disproportionately hurts people that make less money, 20% for someone poor hurts the most because they are left with not much else after the bare essentials, whereas a rich person still has a healthy surplus of discretionary money.

So you're saying that both people have enough money to cover the bare essentials, plus some left over. Maybe the poor person could get a second job, or a better job entirely.

I doubt that's what he's saying. Taxes aren't meant to be about staying afloat. They're about paying a fair share. Someone who has more can share more without risk of going under. The poster explained it perfectly. And I would say that 225,000 is more than the bare essentials. Unless you're suggesting taxing the rich until they're just above the poverty line?
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You caught me, TC. This is exactly what Im hoping will happen to me one day.

You got me
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MorbidFaithless posted...

gmanthebest posted...

clearaflagrantj posted...

gmanthebest posted...

Flat tax rate seems the most fair.

Let's say the flat tax rate is 20%

I make $30,000 a year, someone else makes $300,000 a year.

The bare cost of living, i.e. the poverty line, might be $15,000 a year.

I am taxed 20% * $30K = $6,000, and I am left with $24,000

The rich person is 20% * 300K = $60,000, and is left with $24,000

$24,000 - $15,000 = $9,000 remaining over poverty

$240,000 - $15,000 = $225,000 remaining over poverty

That flat tax rate disproportionately hurts people that make less money, 20% for someone poor hurts the most because they are left with not much else after the bare essentials, whereas a rich person still has a healthy surplus of discretionary money.

So you're saying that both people have enough money to cover the bare essentials, plus some left over. Maybe the poor person could get a second job, or a better job entirely.

I doubt that's what he's saying. Taxes aren't meant to be about staying afloat. They're about paying a fair share. Someone who has more can share more without risk of going under. The poster explained it perfectly. And I would say that 225,000 is more than the bare essentials. Unless you're suggesting taxing the rich until they're just above the poverty line?

Yeah, fair share. Everyone pays the same percentage. Fair. If the poor person wants more money, that's their problem
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I never understood the idea that Rich people work for their money and deserve to keep?

What about the poor? They don't deserve to keep something that they worked for?
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I'm getting a 2k bonus from the tax cuts and even I realize very few middle class or lower class will benefit from this.
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gmanthebest posted...

Yeah, fair share. Everyone pays the same percentage. Fair. If the poor person wants more money, that's their problem

Do you think every person has the capacity to make more money? Not everyone can be a millionaire. Not everyone can be middle class. But I would hope we would do our best to keep everyone above the poverty line. The most efficient way to do that is to have a proportionate amount taken out of a paycheck compared to what someone is being paid. The proportion is higher for higher amounts being earned. (Because there is more to go around)
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itachi15243 posted...

What about the poor? They don't deserve to keep something that they worked for?

Get real, dude

Almost 50% of the country pays no federal tax at all

Maybe it's time they start pitching in
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