Poll of the Day > Feminist says false allegations regarding sexual harassment is fine and just

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ParanoidObsessive posted...

Then the truth you have to accept is that your statement is effectively rendered false via flawed logical premises.

Or to explain in greater detail in this specific scenario, YOU don't get to define the true, objective, universal definition of "feminism" or "feminist", solely so you can make absolutist statements about what does and doesn't "count".

Hence, your fallacy.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/76653372/902747503
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PyroBlade1985 posted...

Revelation34 posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Feminism is inherently social justice so crossover is expected.

The difference is true feminism is about equal rights. SJWs want MORE rights.

It was about equal rights. Equal (and beyond) rights have been achieved, thus all claimed feminists are SJWs.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

It was about equal rights. Equal (and beyond) rights have been achieved, thus all claimed feminists are SJWs.

Real feminists are still fighting about wage gaps. Of course there's really no such thing as that anymore.
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Revelation34 posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

It was about equal rights. Equal (and beyond) rights have been achieved, thus all claimed feminists are SJWs.

Real feminists are still fighting about wage gaps. Of course there's really no such thing as that anymore.

I heard there still is, at least in some countries, but I'm not sure if it's true.

VixYW posted...

I heard there still is, at least in some countries, but I'm not sure if it's true.

Well I meant more in North America.
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SJW is a pretty meaningless term. It usually just means "this person cares more about social justice than I do."
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Revelation34 posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

It was about equal rights. Equal (and beyond) rights have been achieved, thus all claimed feminists are SJWs.

Real feminists are still fighting about wage gaps. Of course there's really no such thing as that anymore.

The word "feminist", honestly, has ceased to be a meaningful label in any way because no one - including self-identified feminists - can agree on what it's supposed to mean.

I think this was most effectively displayed at the Women's March after Trump's inauguration, when a pro-life "Women for Life" movement was barred from marching because the event organizers believed that a pro-life viewpoint was inherently anti-feminists (a sentiment to which the banned group - who also considered themselves feminist - vehemently disagreed).

Revelation34 posted...

Of course there's really no such thing as that anymore.

There is, much as people don't seem to bother reading the studies confirming it. Yes, the "20%" figure or whatever it was that was being bandied about last election was misleading at best, a falsehood at worst, but a genuine wage gap still exists even after correcting for things like experience and hours worked.

Some people insist that feminism is about equality of the sexes, which explicitly means that it also involves advocating for men in areas where they are disadvantaged (criminal justice, education, suicide, etc.). Some insist it is a movement exclusively focused on women's rights. Some say it is a vehicle for female supremacy.

Which is why I always get a chuckle when someone starts ranting about "those damn feminists", because it's a meaningless word nowadays.
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darkknight109 posted...

There is, much as people don't seem to bother reading the studies confirming it. Yes, the "20%" figure or whatever it was that was being bandied about last election was misleading at best, a falsehood at worst, but a genuine wage gap still exists even after correcting for things like experience and hours worked.

Some people insist that feminism is about equality of the sexes, which explicitly means that it also involves advocating for men in areas where they are disadvantaged (criminal justice, education, suicide, etc.). Some insist it is a movement exclusively focused on women's rights. Some say it is a vehicle for female supremacy.

Which is why I always get a chuckle when someone starts ranting about "those damn feminists", because it's a meaningless word nowadays.

Yes those studies show that the men are working longer hours. This isn't 60 years ago where people purposely paid them less. If they worked the same longer hours they would make the same amount of money.

Also in that sense feminist is about equal rights for women such as being treated unfairly. True equal rights is egalitarian.
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Revelation34 posted...

darkknight109 posted...

There is, much as people don't seem to bother reading the studies confirming it. Yes, the "20%" figure or whatever it was that was being bandied about last election was misleading at best, a falsehood at worst, but a genuine wage gap still exists even after correcting for things like experience and hours worked.

Some people insist that feminism is about equality of the sexes, which explicitly means that it also involves advocating for men in areas where they are disadvantaged (criminal justice, education, suicide, etc.). Some insist it is a movement exclusively focused on women's rights. Some say it is a vehicle for female supremacy.

Which is why I always get a chuckle when someone starts ranting about "those damn feminists", because it's a meaningless word nowadays.

Yes those studies show that the men are working longer hours. This isn't 60 years ago where people purposely paid them less. If they worked the same longer hours they would make the same amount of money.

Also in that sense feminist is about equal rights for women such as being treated unfairly. True equal rights is egalitarian.

You apparently didn't actually read my post. Important parts in bold.
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Revelation34 posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/76653372/902747503

Revelation34 posted...

The difference is true feminism is about equal rights. SJWs want MORE rights.

Yes, that post WAS an example of the mistake you've been making. Good on you for pointing it out.

Now learn from it.


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darkknight109 posted...

You apparently didn't actually read my post. Important parts in bold.

You can't correct it since that's the reason it literally happens.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Yes, that post WAS an example of the mistake you've been making. Good on you for pointing it out.

Now learn from it.

The truth can never be a mistake.
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So you're just going to keep making the same mistake over and over, and keep invalidating the point you're trying to make, because you're too stubborn to be introspective.

Got it.

Thanks for saving me the time by telling me to ignore every opinion you have on the subject from now on, because they're all going to be objectively wrong anyway.


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Revelation34 posted...

SJWs aren't feminists.

I heard they aren't scotsmen either.

edit: after reading a bit further I guess this has already been covered...

Golden Road posted...

SJW is a pretty meaningless term. It usually just means "this person cares more about social justice than I do."

Says the guy who once defended the "Hugh Mungus what?" chick and a number of other crazies... but whatever makes you feel better about yourself, dude.
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

So you're just going to keep making the same mistake over and over, and keep invalidating the point you're trying to make, because you're too stubborn to be introspective.

Got it.

Thanks for saving me the time by telling me to ignore every opinion you have on the subject from now on, because they're all going to be objectively wrong anyway.

I can't make a mistake if it isn't a mistake though.
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Revelation34 posted...

You can't correct it since that's the reason it literally happens.

You... do know that "correcting for" something isn't the same as "correcting" it, right?
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Stop trying to argue with the extreme outliers. Yes, we all know that a small percentage of nearly every group in the world has absolute nutjobs. The more you talk about them, the nuttier and more powerful they become in the media.

WellKnownNomad posted...

http://archive.is/yfHcW

Here's an unpopular opinion: I'm actually not at all concerned about innocent men losing their jobs over false sexual assault/harassment allegations.

And more importantly: The benefit of all of us getting to finally tell the truth + the impact on victims FAR outweigh the loss of any one man's reputation.

Sorry. If some innocent men's reputations have to take a hit in the process of undoing the patriarchy, that is a price I am absolutely willing to pay.

Looks like she got that backwards, the one whose life/reputation that got destroyed in the process is the one paying the price. The one who made the false accusation walks away scoff free.
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darkknight109 posted...

You... do know that "correcting for" something isn't the same as "correcting" it, right?

Sure. The point still stands.
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GanglyKhan posted...

Stop trying to argue with the extreme outliers. Yes, we all know that a small percentage of nearly every group in the world has absolute nutjobs. The more you talk about them, the nuttier and more powerful they become in the media.

Yeah... Here is the problem: the feminist nutjobs are the ones running the show.

That's a problem.
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The_tall_midget posted...

Yeah... Here is the problem: the feminist nutjobs are the ones running the show.

That's a problem.

Are they though? All those old white Republicans in office? All the Fortune 500 business owners?

GanglyKhan posted...

Are they though? All those old white Republicans in office? All the Fortune 500 business owners?

What? No no. I mean the nutjobs feminists are the ones running the show of feminists groups.

Christ. I can't believe I have to explain this.
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The_tall_midget posted...

GanglyKhan posted...

Are they though? All those old white Republicans in office? All the Fortune 500 business owners?

What? No no. I mean the nutjobs feminists are the ones running the show of feminists groups.

Christ. I can't believe I have to explain this.

Please excuse me for being a different person who doesn't have your brain. I will attempt to correct this inadequate behavior next time.

GanglyKhan posted...

Please excuse me for being a different person who doesn't have your brain. I will attempt to correct this inadequate behavior next time.

I forgive your mediocrity.
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Revelation34 posted...

darkknight109 posted...

You... do know that "correcting for" something isn't the same as "correcting" it, right?

Sure. The point still stands.

That is logically impossible.

Here, let me make it really simple:

I said: "There is a problem"
You said: "The cause of the problem is X"
I said: "No, even if you correct for X, the problem still remains"
You said: "True, but the cause of the problem is X"
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darkknight109 posted...

Revelation34 posted...

darkknight109 posted...

You... do know that "correcting for" something isn't the same as "correcting" it, right?

Sure. The point still stands.

That is logically impossible.

Here, let me make it really simple:

I said: "There is a problem"
You said: "The cause of the problem is X"
I said: "No, even if you correct for X, the problem still remains"
You said: "True, but the cause of the problem is X"

And then we go full circle since there is no real problem except for maybe some certain countries in the Middle East.
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Revelation34 posted...

And then we go full circle since there is no real problem except for maybe some certain countries in the Middle East.

Except there is. Which numerous studies have shown, even accounting for hours worked.
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