Current Events > If not religion, from where do you derive your concept of morality?

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YoshitoKikuchi
06/01/18 1:05:47 AM
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Which particular principles?
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Mango Sauce
06/01/18 1:06:35 AM
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Darmik
06/01/18 1:06:43 AM
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Empathy
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Forlorn_Ass
06/01/18 1:06:52 AM
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Just whatever feels right to me, because all of morality is subjective.
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Dash_Harber
06/01/18 1:07:05 AM
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I believe it is an evolved system.
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ArchiePeck
06/01/18 1:07:38 AM
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My parents and schoolteachers instilling a sense of what's right and wrong based on treating other people as you'd like to be treated?
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nicklebro
06/01/18 1:08:04 AM
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A combination of what is logically right for society and the natural instinct we were all born with long before the concept of religion even existed.
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ehhwhatever
06/01/18 1:08:50 AM
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We're social creatures and exclusion is immoral. You know tight with the turkey.
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shnangyboos
06/01/18 1:10:23 AM
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Golden rule.
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DavidWong
06/01/18 1:11:14 AM
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I decide what I believe is right and wrong based on my own beliefs.
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AlabamaLove
06/01/18 1:12:17 AM
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nicklebro
06/01/18 1:14:09 AM
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DavidWong posted...
I decide what I believe is right and wrong based on my own beliefs.

You decide? Or is it based on your inherent beliefs?
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SkittyOnWailord
06/01/18 1:14:56 AM
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I treat others how I would like to be treated.
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DavidWong
06/01/18 1:16:43 AM
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nicklebro posted...
DavidWong posted...
I decide what I believe is right and wrong based on my own beliefs.

You decide? Or is it based on your inherent beliefs?


I decide. I can look at anything coldly, with pure hard facts and decide for myself if I believe someone has made the wrong or right decision.

There is a reason for every action. The world is black and white.
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nicklebro
06/01/18 1:18:33 AM
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DavidWong posted...
nicklebro posted...
DavidWong posted...
I decide what I believe is right and wrong based on my own beliefs.

You decide? Or is it based on your inherent beliefs?


I decide. I can look at anything coldly, with pure hard facts and decide for myself if I believe someone has made the wrong or right decision.

There is a reason for every action. The world is black and white.

But what are these facts based on? Like what facts leads you to decide if something is moral? Is it what's good for you? Your family? Society? The world outside of humans?
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catboy0_0
06/01/18 1:19:07 AM
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I learned most of my morals/ethics from Star Trek: The Next Generation
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Dash_Harber
06/01/18 1:19:37 AM
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catboy0_0 posted...
I learned most of my morals/ethics from Star Trek: The Next Generation


Also an acceptable answer.
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WafflehouseJK
06/01/18 1:21:28 AM
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Darmik posted...
Empathy

This.

I have nothing against religion, and am somewhat spiritual myself, but IDK, to me, if you NEED some higher power up in the sky to keep you from being a shit-bag, I question if you're really that good of a person to begin with.
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DavidWong
06/01/18 1:22:52 AM
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nicklebro posted...
DavidWong posted...
nicklebro posted...
DavidWong posted...
I decide what I believe is right and wrong based on my own beliefs.

You decide? Or is it based on your inherent beliefs?


I decide. I can look at anything coldly, with pure hard facts and decide for myself if I believe someone has made the wrong or right decision.

There is a reason for every action. The world is black and white.

But what are these facts based on? Like what facts leads you to decide if something is moral? Is it what's good for you? Your family? Society? The world outside of humans?


My own personal experiences and beliefs, beliefs formed by observing the world around me.
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Romes187
06/01/18 1:23:10 AM
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Jordan Peterson makes a fun case for a Piagetian model of morality

Basically acting in a way that allows for iterable games across time and across social strata let us evolve our morality
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IloveJesus
06/01/18 1:28:35 AM
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ArchiePeck posted...
treating other people as you'd like to be treated

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nicklebro
06/01/18 1:28:57 AM
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DavidWong posted...

My own personal experiences and beliefs, beliefs formed by observing the world around me.

Ok but you still need to have a priority. So what makes something moral? If you're deciding, then you should be able to say why you decided something is moral. Is swearing moral? Why or why not? Is abortion moral? Why or why not? What are the guiding principles behind your morality?
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wah_wah_wah
06/01/18 1:31:22 AM
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1) Be charitable, and if you can't be that, then at the very least

2) Do no harm.

I would even say a higher power like God distracts focus from adhering to these two principles. If you're thinking about God and your personal salvation, you're not really thinking of other people.
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DavidWong
06/01/18 1:32:43 AM
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nicklebro posted...
DavidWong posted...

My own personal experiences and beliefs, beliefs formed by observing the world around me.

Ok but you still need to have a priority. So what makes something moral? If you're deciding, then you should be able to say why you decided something is moral. Is swearing moral? Why or why not? Is abortion moral? Why or why not? What are the guiding principles behind your morality?


Tough to answer really, in my mind, I make a decision.

Swearing? Irrelevant.
Abortion? Yes, it's the woman's body, she decides.
Guns? Should not be able to just purchase over the counter.
Drugs? Should be decriminalized. Look at Portugal.

These are ways of thought that I have come to the conclusion on myself. Essentially, my opinion.
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Panthera
06/01/18 1:33:34 AM
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I don't. I am unable to make sense of the world without the guidance of people from thousands of years ago telling me what some mysterious being they believed in said
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nicklebro
06/01/18 1:37:15 AM
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DavidWong posted...
nicklebro posted...
DavidWong posted...

My own personal experiences and beliefs, beliefs formed by observing the world around me.

Ok but you still need to have a priority. So what makes something moral? If you're deciding, then you should be able to say why you decided something is moral. Is swearing moral? Why or why not? Is abortion moral? Why or why not? What are the guiding principles behind your morality?


Tough to answer really, in my mind, I make a decision.

Swearing? Irrelevant.
Abortion? Yes, it's the woman's body, she decides.
Guns? Should not be able to just purchase over the counter.
Drugs? Should be decriminalized. Look at Portugal.

These are ways of thought that I have come to the conclusion on myself. Essentially, my opinion.

So it's more of an inherent beliefs, it's internal and you feel it out one instance at a time then? I think we're all born with an internal morality system that I would guess is an evolutionary adaptation that we got by being a social/communal species. But we also use logic to determine if things are moral, I'd say abortion falls under that since its morality isn't self evident.
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Kickflip
06/01/18 1:41:06 AM
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I have feelings.

Someone inflicted pain on me and I was like, "bro, wtf that hurt. That's not cool"

And I've had my feelings hurt just the same.

Then you go, "if I didn't like this, then other people probably wouldn't like it if I did it to them"

I know, I know. It technically took a jerk to teach me, but life ain't perfect.
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GiftedACIII
06/01/18 1:44:08 AM
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Empathy, logic, reasoning, and interactions with society at large.
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Irony
06/01/18 1:44:50 AM
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Common sense
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chill02
06/01/18 1:55:12 AM
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do unto others, yada yada

works well enough for me
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LinksLiege
06/01/18 2:12:26 AM
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I know what I would and wouldn't want someone to do to me, I'm aware of how my experiences have shaped those feelings, and I'm aware enough of other people's experiences to see how/why their perspective might be different.

DavidWong posted...
The world is black and white.

lol
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chill02
06/01/18 2:22:20 AM
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LinksLiege posted...
DavidWong posted...
The world is black and white.

lol

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Tyranthraxus
06/01/18 2:22:41 AM
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shnangyboos posted...
Golden rule.

This
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YoshitoKikuchi
06/01/18 10:51:42 AM
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Irony posted...
Common sense


Common sense isn't always objective, it depends upon the environment where you grow up.
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Damn_Underscore
06/01/18 10:53:48 AM
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A lot of it you just learn, from your parents I guess

But for me a lot of it is also from my religion
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Solid Snake07
06/01/18 10:54:39 AM
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Society and my empathy for others
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tennisdude818
06/01/18 11:01:53 AM
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Empathy and the Non-Aggression Principle.
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MedzXVIII
06/01/18 11:19:18 AM
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Not all religions and people of religion are peaceful to what they believe are infidels
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Romes187
06/01/18 11:46:51 AM
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Asherlee10 posted...
Different schools of thought in terms of philosophical morality like Utilitarianism.


I think Utilitarianism is a decent start but it just doesn't seem feasible to me that we could even calculate the balance needed for it.

To the people that say "oh I just know what is right and what is wrong" - Obviously you're being impacted by cultural norms on this...many of which do in fact stem from a Judeo Christian sense of morality.

The question to me is whether or not the culture evolved in a darwinian sense (to me it seems likely considering cultures that do not produce morals that promote long term success would....not be successful in the long term) which is why I think an equilibrated state (a la Piaget) is a good way to think about it.
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YoshitoKikuchi
06/01/18 3:24:27 PM
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bump
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YoshitoKikuchi
06/01/18 8:48:52 PM
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bump
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Hexenherz
06/01/18 8:53:35 PM
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I believe in treating people with respect and dignity, because I like to be treated with respect and dignity. And then everything else stems from there, like if you respect someone then you have to respect their property for instance.

Doesn't take religion to be a decent human being who cares about his fellow man.
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Polycosm
06/01/18 8:56:45 PM
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Utility maximization, largely driven by biology but also constrained by the Non-Aggression Principle.
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Rexdragon125
06/01/18 9:00:14 PM
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There's strong evidence that morality is a result of evolution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_morality
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LordMarshal
06/01/18 9:02:15 PM
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Someone literally told religious people their beliefs. You literally obeyed somone.
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Arcanine2009
06/01/18 9:04:58 PM
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The laws we currently have, and the Golden rule?

A lot of ideas from morality may have come from religion, but one doesn't have to follow religion to be moral.
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1337toothbrush
06/01/18 9:08:06 PM
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From how I'd feel if the same thing were done to me. You know, empathy.
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nicklebro
06/03/18 5:43:48 AM
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Rexdragon125 posted...
There's strong evidence that morality is a result of evolution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_morality

Well it's basically common sense that it came from evolution unless you don't believe in evolution or are a religious fundamentalist/nutbag.
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myzz7
06/03/18 5:52:30 AM
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100% objectivism morality

based on life on earth as the standard with values to be achieved, reason being the only means to action, by what something is by its nature dictates what it should do broadly (humans being especially different from all other living creatures), recognition of cause and effect relationships
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